Originally Posted by Fat eric the espeon
also look at the number of pokemon that use Growl, Sandstorm, Howl, and Mean Look, the first 3 are NEVER used (exept howl arcanine) and mean look is only viable on one pokemon (umbreon) but the ablitys that have the same effects are considored some of the best in the game.
That is a very good point, and well-argued. The automatic invocation of an NU move is very different than the automatic invocation of an OU move. I'm dropping the Shiver idea, just on lack of popularity. Your well-reasoned argument makes it easier for me to forget the whole thing.