[eric the espeon]

That is a very good point, and well-argued. The automatic invocation of an NU move is very different than the automatic invocation of an OU move. I'm dropping the Shiver idea, just on lack of popularity. Your well-reasoned argument makes it easier for me to forget the whole thing.

wow. thank you thats high prase inded

Originally Posted by Fat Deucalion2

I'm thinking a:

Type: Bug/Ice
right
Ability: Magic Guard
still not sure about this, mabe we should just acept that it will have to deal with SR, and even if we dont mabe something more like this
ability: ice shell
this pokemon is not afacted by SR spikes or toxis spikes
Classification: Ice Fairy Pokemon
this should be a vote with 4-6 options Ice Fairy should be one of them

67/125/65/125/65/108
this makes it a overall base 555 with almost ideal stat distribution with and decent movepool it would be too powerfull, infernape has 21 less in both attcks and its still one of the best OU mixed sweepers

Notable Moveset:
Bug Buzz
Ice Beam
Sleep Powder
Calm Mind
Tail Glow
Hidden Power
Signal Beam
Megahorn
Swords Dance
Ice Punch
Brick Break

urm.. sorry but this movepool is just crazy with the stats you sugested, it gives it every move it would want.

Hits incredibly hard with stackloads of speed, but will get killed with ease. The moveset fits with what most people seem to be thinking of it as.

Originally Posted by Fat ultimifier

we have been talking about abililties thus far, and i think that to decentralize the metagame from TSS stall teams, this new pokemon could have snow warning as an ability and be a mixed sweeper.

nice idea i have been haveing simeler thoughts myself, but we must be careful not to make it to powerful if it is to have any chance of being acsepted in smogon tornys

this would do many things that could help make the metagame more exciting (less stall, stall is boring):
1. another hail inducer would weaken sand teams and therefore weaken every pokemon that benefits from sand, such as skarmory and hippodawn
but it would increce the number of hail teams and with it the number of stallriens and snow cloak users

2. ice/bug is a fairly good stall breaker type, having decent coverage against mixed walls.
yes i agree

3. another ice pokemon would further decrease the number of garchomp and salamences and allow other pokemon to see more play
yes