Most Effective Clefable? - Page 2

Karrot · May 5th, 2008, 6:53:39 PM

This is more of a general response to the last three posts, but there is a big difference between automatically absorbing toxic spikes and taking no damage as opposed to taking damage with a guts boost/not taking any damage at all.

With the poison types who can switch in and immediately remove Toxic Spikes, you would have to use even more turns to reset your spikes, whilst when guts and levitating Pokemon switch in, the spikes are still there and you haven't a need to waste more turns getting them up again.

TheForgottenSoul · May 5th, 2008, 8:00:58 PM

[quote=Bran;1171550]You probably already have my redistributable Clefable, because if not, it has this very same move set and EV spread. And I agree, this is my favorite and most successful set.

XD. No i was lucky enough to win one of Shadow_Master's, but i have been wanting to trade for one of yours.

Automatic · May 5th, 2008, 8:51:06 PM

This thing is mega annoying. My 3x CM Mismagius couldn't do more than like 14% with HP Fighting after the CP's. Needless to say I was stalled to death.

This + SS or Hail = annoying and mean :(

xc_hawk · May 5th, 2008, 9:12:17 PM

I use this clefable on a stall team:
Clefable: toxic orb
(+spec def, -speed) Nature
EVS: 252 HP / 252 spec def
~ Facade
~ Fire Blast
~ Protect
~ Wish

~~Setrack~~ · May 6th, 2008, 2:03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat xc_hawk

I use this clefable on a stall team:
Clefable: toxic orb
(+spec def, -speed) Nature
EVS: 252 HP / 252 spec def
~ Facade
~ Fire Blast
~ Protect
~ Wish

On my stall team I use:

Clefable (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP/120 Def/136 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Cosmic Power
- Softboiled
- Protect
- Ice Beam

(with sandstream and toxic spikes)

phalanx · May 6th, 2008, 6:25:59 AM

a clefable on a stall team without cosmic power?
looking at clefable move wise it has very little going for it

Akayfortyseven · May 6th, 2008, 2:06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat phalanx

a clefable on a stall team without cosmic power?
looking at clefable move wise it has very little going for it

What? Its movepool is full of useful moves for both sides of the spectrum, it can effectively support, attack, or a mix of both. Its because of this that its unpredictability is one of its biggest assets. Seriously do you even think what your posting?

Fenikkusu · May 6th, 2008, 9:58:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat phalanx

a clefable on a stall team without cosmic power?
looking at clefable move wise it has very little going for it

Er, magic guard and diverse movepool are the only things Clefable has going for it (stats suck, typing is meh).

rayfordjames · May 7th, 2008, 3:36:21 PM

too bad the uu ghosts wall this with either taunt or a sub

cim · May 7th, 2008, 8:25:50 PM

Clefable users I dislike:
1. People who think critical hits never happen or that Cosmic Power sets in general work (OP, the guy who made the Deoxys set, etc).
2. People who think a Facade off 70 Attack makes sense in OU when there's Ursaring and Swellow to do the same thing better (sure, less tanking, but still).

Anyway, Clefable could abuse cool stuff like Encore, the relatively unique Gravity, and stuff. It's not the best defensively other than being immune to everything, but Softboiled is cool so I guess defensive sets / Calm Mind would work.

Also, wouldn't Life Orb Double-Edge be better than max Facade? Other than the status protection, that is.

~~Setrack~~ · May 8th, 2008, 2:03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Chris is me

Clefable users I dislike:
1. People who think critical hits never happen or that Cosmic Power sets in general work (OP, the guy who made the Deoxys set, etc).
2. People who think a Facade off 70 Attack makes sense in OU when there's Ursaring and Swellow to do the same thing better (sure, less tanking, but still).

Anyway, Clefable could abuse cool stuff like Encore, the relatively unique Gravity, and stuff. It's not the best defensively other than being immune to everything, but Softboiled is cool so I guess defensive sets / Calm Mind would work.

Also, wouldn't Life Orb Double-Edge be better than max Facade? Other than the status protection, that is.

made me lol

btw, Cosmic Power sets do work you're an idiot if you think otherwise

cim · May 8th, 2008, 12:52:26 PM

"A critical hit!"
Clefable fainted!

That's why Cosmic Power doesn't work. At least with Calm Mind you get boosted attacks.

The status protection of Toxic Orb is pretty nice yeah, but Breloom does the whole "immune to status" bit better. Plus Clefable has shit attack. And, like, 5000 cooler options. And a lack of Guts like Ursaring has.

Ragnaraq · Mar 17th, 2012, 9:54:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat cim

"A critical hit!"
Clefable fainted!

That's why Cosmic Power doesn't work. At least with Calm Mind you get boosted attacks.

The status protection of Toxic Orb is pretty nice yeah, but Breloom does the whole "immune to status" bit better. Plus Clefable has shit attack. And, like, 5000 cooler options. And a lack of Guts like Ursaring has.

Then your suggestion of moves is?

Hipmonlee · Mar 17th, 2012, 10:20:32 PM

I recommend these sets.

This is like a work of bump art.

May 5th, 2008, 6:53:39 PM	#26
Karrot Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 832	This is more of a general response to the last three posts, but there is a big difference between automatically absorbing toxic spikes and taking no damage as opposed to taking damage with a guts boost/not taking any damage at all. With the poison types who can switch in and immediately remove Toxic Spikes, you would have to use even more turns to reset your spikes, whilst when guts and levitating Pokemon switch in, the spikes are still there and you haven't a need to waste more turns getting them up again. Last edited by Karrot; May 5th, 2008 at 7:05:54 PM. Reason: fixing up a rather awkward post

May 5th, 2008, 8:00:58 PM	#27
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May 5th, 2008, 8:51:06 PM	#28
Automatic Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 348	This thing is mega annoying. My 3x CM Mismagius couldn't do more than like 14% with HP Fighting after the CP's. Needless to say I was stalled to death. This + SS or Hail = annoying and mean :( __________________ 2108 3499 0382

May 5th, 2008, 9:12:17 PM	#29
xc_hawk Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 889 It's like a custom title without the custom title!	I use this clefable on a stall team: Clefable: toxic orb (+spec def, -speed) Nature EVS: 252 HP / 252 spec def ~ Facade ~ Fire Blast ~ Protect ~ Wish __________________ Brawl FC: 2664-1775-6942

May 6th, 2008, 6:25:59 AM	#31
phalanx Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,650 Manchster UK	a clefable on a stall team without cosmic power? looking at clefable move wise it has very little going for it __________________ current projects: counter, revenge mild houndour with HP fighting 66+ FC: 3265 2646 3210 my trade thread now with a large collection of teni'mura regigigas, the best adamant gigas on smogon, 3 azelfs and rare events ATQ - RBY regional finalist

May 7th, 2008, 3:36:21 PM	#34
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May 7th, 2008, 8:25:50 PM	#35
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,366 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	Clefable users I dislike: 1. People who think critical hits never happen or that Cosmic Power sets in general work (OP, the guy who made the Deoxys set, etc). 2. People who think a Facade off 70 Attack makes sense in OU when there's Ursaring and Swellow to do the same thing better (sure, less tanking, but still). Anyway, Clefable could abuse cool stuff like Encore, the relatively unique Gravity, and stuff. It's not the best defensively other than being immune to everything, but Softboiled is cool so I guess defensive sets / Calm Mind would work. Also, wouldn't Life Orb Double-Edge be better than max Facade? Other than the status protection, that is. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it

May 8th, 2008, 12:52:26 PM	#37
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,366 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	"A critical hit!" Clefable fainted! That's why Cosmic Power doesn't work. At least with Calm Mind you get boosted attacks. The status protection of Toxic Orb is pretty nice yeah, but Breloom does the whole "immune to status" bit better. Plus Clefable has shit attack. And, like, 5000 cooler options. And a lack of Guts like Ursaring has. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it

Mar 17th, 2012, 10:20:32 PM	#39
Hipmonlee Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,298	I recommend these sets. This is like a work of bump art.