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np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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PLEASE DOWNLOAD THE LATEST VERSION. Version 2.2:
Note: This Excel sheet was created on Microsoft Excel 2003. It probably won't work on older versions of Excel, though it doesn't hurt to try. It should be able to work on more recent versions, but I haven't tested it personally to know. It is available here (version 2.2). (Right-click on the link, and choose Save Target As. It is a ZIP file.) Then double-click on the file and you should be presented with something like this: ![]() Let's start twiddling with this, shall we? Suppose we want to check the type coverage of Modest Gengar with 252 EVs in SpA having Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Thunderbolt and HP Ice in the Standard metagame. We click on the box next to Type 1 and choose Poison, and then on the box next to Type 2 and choose Ghost, signifying Gengar's typing. Like so: ![]() Okay, on to the stats. Click on the box next to the SpA stat and type in '394', which is Gengar's maximum SpA stat, and press ENTER. On to the moves. Click on the box next to Move 1 and choose 'Shadow Ball'. Like this: ![]() Notice that the Average Damage box immediately updates with the average damage that a Gengar with 394 SpA and Shadow Ball only in its attacking moveset would deal: ![]() Shadow Ball alone would deal an average damage of 51.47% in the Standard metagame, which is pretty good. Now let's add Focus Blast to the moveset. How much average damage would Gengar deal having Shadow Ball and Focus Blast in its moveset? ![]() Together, they would deal an average of 65.88% of damage. Finally, we'll add Thunderbolt and HP Ice by choosing them from the boxes next to Move 3 and Move 4 respectively. Our Gengar would be able to deal an average of... ![]() That's very good damage indeed. Now suppose we want to see if replacing HP Ice by Energy Ball would make Gengar deal more or less damage on average. It's easy; just choose Energy Ball from the box next to Move 4, and... ![]() It seems like Energy Ball has less type coverage than HP Ice on this particular Gengar, since the average damage has been lowered. You can try replacing Energy Ball with other moves instead of with HP Ice. In our example, we'll revert back to the original moveset of Shadow Ball/Focus Blast/Thunderbolt/HP Ice. Now how would our Gengar fare in the Uber metagame? To answer this question, click on the box next to Metagame, and click on 'Uber'. Like this: ![]() The Excel sheet would immediately tell us the average damage in the uber metagame: ![]() It would deal almost 6% less damage on average in the Uber metagame than in the Standard metagame. Hope you'll find this Excel sheet useful!
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What calculations did you use to come up with this excel sheet?
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np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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You can go to the 'Data' worksheet in the same Excel file to have an idea...
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This is awesome, good work X-Act. However the link isn't working for me.
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brilliant invention sir! I will defienitely try to use this to help my teams out
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np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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It's working for me. What error message are you getting?
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Just for reference, this works in OpenOffice as well as MS Excel.
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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How does Explosion fit into this sheet? Since you'd only be using it once.
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X-Act, you are amazing.
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np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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Basically, all moves that can deal variable damage (like Eruption, Avalanche, Facade, etc.) are assumed to deal the MAXIMUM possible damage in this Excel sheet. The only exceptions to this rule are Grass Knot and Low Kick. These two moves are actually implemented correctly, i.e. they take every Pokemon's weight into account when calculating the average damage. About Explosion and Selfdestruct, yeah they are only used once... so you'll just have to keep that in mind when seeing the average damage. It is still the average damage you would deal, even if you used just one move. Sometimes when you have a Choice item, you plan to use one move and then switch anyway.
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You where right, the link works good.
I was downloading it, but I didnt change the name. So when the download was finished I had a HTML file instead of a Excel file.
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np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock
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Yeah, I really would like to have the file download as an .xls file straight away. I don't know why stupid Internet Explorer makes it an HTML file so that it needs to be renamed manually. Is there anyone out there who knows a way around this?
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compress it as a ZIP file.
the reason the browser prints out all the gibberish is since the data is returned by the server as text/html instead of application/vnd.ms-excel. compressing it would do the trick since the mime type for zip files is sure to be present. Last edited by ryubahamut; Aug 17th, 2008 at 12:10:17 PM. |
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Nifty program. nice job X-Act. Unfortunately my computer isn't letting me download it right now (I'll fix it later so I can check it out), but I'm just curious if your program accommodates moves like Rollout who's damage isn't a consistent value every turn? Not that it matter since it's basically never used in competitive play I was just wondering.
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This is great!
I tested it on Syclant to see just how it compares to Gengar. With 359 SpA and a moveset of Blizzard / Bug Buzz / Focus Blast / Earth Power, I got an average damage of 74.33%. Adamant Garchomp does exactly 75% with just three moves - Earthquake / Outrage / Fire Fang. With Fire Blast over Fire Fang, it does 75.56%. Changing to a neutral SpA nature pumps it up to 75.74%. A +Spe natures changes it to 73.92%, but that is still more damage than Modest Gengar can pump out. And that's with only 3 moves (I left one blank for Swords Dance)!
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X-Act, you're amazing. Will be using this to determine every sweeper from now on.
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A cool way to check on average power for a Pokémon. X-Act, have my babies.
Does Ubers include every Pokémon with equal weight? What about Standard and UU?
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Thanks, this is just awesome..
btw.. how to determine the damage dealt with Life Orb, does it work if I add the 30% to the Atk/SpA stat? edit: Nothing rly important - but Rock Smash is missing >_<
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Looks good, but I really want to know what you took into mind when working out the %.
PS: I have a question in the Battle Formula topic that hasn't been answered as of now :r .
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For Life Orb, I'm 99% sure you multiply the damage by 1.3. For Choice Band/Specs, you multiply the stat by 1.5.
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Maybe it's not that important (only 3 pokémon learn it including smeargle) but it seems that spacial rend is not in the list.
Love this though <3
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If there are enough people who are interested (so far there are already 2), I'll explain how the sheet works in detail.
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X-Act is the Pokemath God.
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I'm going to assume this doesn't Abilities like Adaptability or Technician into account, am I right? Still this is a very useful tool.
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This sheet is awesome. Thanks X-Act.
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