IVs to PID applet

X-Act · Aug 28th, 2008, 5:48:54 AM

The applet to find your PID of a Pokemon just by typing in its IVs and Nature has been uploaded here.

Any bug reports and suggestions are welcome.

This applet is a direct consequence of this article.

Serv · Aug 28th, 2008, 6:32:04 AM

As usual great work X-Act.

Bentendo1 · Aug 28th, 2008, 6:48:04 AM

Seems like a fine applet to me. The staff has thought of what this could do to the Wi-Fi board, right?

X-Act · Aug 28th, 2008, 6:52:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Bentendo1

Seems like a fine applet to me. The staff has thought of what this could do to the Wi-Fi board, right?

Yes we have. So I don't need to worry about that.

VoiceOfReason · Aug 28th, 2008, 7:17:41 AM

Groundbreaking piece of work, but despite you saying the staff has already considered its implications, this applet (in conjunction with your previous article) will destroy the Wifi boards. I am not a Wifi-er but I can see that this will upset a LOT of people.

Silent Storm · Aug 28th, 2008, 7:56:53 AM

^ The information is out there already, it was gonna happen sooner or later.

Great work X-Act, and I hope you don't take this down just because some people will get upset.

VoiceOfReason · Aug 28th, 2008, 8:24:51 AM

Well I suppose (as you asked for suggestions) that extra pieces of output detailing Hidden Power, whether the Pokemon gets Ability 1 or 2, and whereabouts in the gender distribution the Pokemon lies, would be useful additions.

As you know, these would all be easy to calculate from the data the applet already outputs, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had thought of this already.

X-Act · Aug 28th, 2008, 8:42:40 AM

Hmm okay I might do that.

By the way, the text in the PID window should appear in a monospaced font (Courier). It does appear like that in my applet viewer, but somehow it doesn't appear like that on Internet Explorer. Just a minor thing really.

EDIT: I fixed the applet to have monospaced font, and added Gender and Ability to the output. If your applet appears the same, exit from your browser and retry, or, if all else fails, delete all your temporary internet files and refresh the link.

**Mario With Lasers** · Aug 28th, 2008, 9:26:57 AM

Interesting, you can't have a D/P wild pokémon with 31/31/31/31/31/31 and Naive nature. And Modest have the highest chance of giving a perfect IV spread, while Adamant doesn't have a single one.

Well, I think now people will "just" have to trust each other when trading legends on the WiFi forums.

Arseus · Aug 28th, 2008, 10:11:26 AM

This is really cool X-Act. So if you can determine the PID now, can you calculate seed from PID?

Great work, both on this calculator and the article.

X-Act · Aug 28th, 2008, 10:59:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Arseus

This is really cool X-Act. So if you can determine the PID now, can you calculate seed from PID?

Great work, both on this calculator and the article.

Of course I can... that's how the applet works actually!

Syberia · Aug 28th, 2008, 12:50:33 PM

This is pretty awesome; why isn't it linked in your sig yet? :P

This will probably kill the wi-fi forum, but it honestly doesn't matter much, at least to me. I'll probably just start using my Pokesav'd stuff with missing trash bytes and incorrect PIDs again.

Quote:

Well I suppose (as you asked for suggestions) that extra pieces of output detailing Hidden Power, whether the Pokemon gets Ability 1 or 2, and whereabouts in the gender distribution the Pokemon lies, would be useful additions.

In combination with Shoddy Battle (to find a legal IV/nature combination for a particular Hidden Power) and Pokesav (to find out what gender/ability slot a certain PID will produce), you can find these already. Although, any legend that you would need a PID for only has one ability regardless of which "class" is picked, and only Heatran has a gender, which is totally inconsequential in battle for anything other than the never-used Attract.

Are there plans to release an offline version of this program?

Silent Storm · Aug 28th, 2008, 1:13:05 PM

There are already offline versions of these kind of programs, PM me for details.

VoiceOfReason · Aug 28th, 2008, 1:17:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Syberia

In combination with Shoddy Battle (to find a legal IV/nature combination for a particular Hidden Power) and Pokesav (to find out what gender/ability slot a certain PID will produce), you can find these already. Although, any legend that you would need a PID for only has one ability regardless of which "class" is picked, and only Heatran has a gender, which is totally inconsequential in battle for anything other than the never-used Attract.

Yes, as you say Pokesav help you determine what gender/ability a certain PID will produce when the PID is entered on the main Pokemon page and "Create" is pressed; 1st/2nd Class relating to its ability but then the ability would have to be updated manually. Pokesav would therefore actually allow a caught Pokemon with IVs matching the PID to have an incorrect ability.

Furthermore, the applet producing these as output is very useful in terms of hack checking, because for wild non-legendary Pokemon, hackers could get these wrong. This would show up when Nintendo hack tests a player at a tournament, and on some games may show up as a bad egg.

Having these pieces of information as output adds to its usefulness by not requiring the use of additional programs. I just mentioned Hidden Power output as it would make an extra piece of useful information (perhaps could even be used as an input field, along with the options "Fire/Water/.../Any").

I would, however, appreciate a downloadable offline version, but I think X-Act has done a very good job already, and I say thank you for so quickly implementing the gender and ability outputs.

EDIT: To Syberia - sorry for misleading you regarding gender, thanks for pointing out Pokesav 1st/2nd class update to me.

the_artic_one · Aug 28th, 2008, 2:12:56 PM

Yeah don't worry about the wifi board, this information has been available since Tsanth's thread on gamespot blew up (I think someone there had a similar applet as well).

Good job X-act.

Syberia · Aug 28th, 2008, 2:15:50 PM

It being available to everyone is always better than it being available to only a few people.

cim · Aug 28th, 2008, 3:25:03 PM

i think that the consequence of publicly available data on the IV restrictions is more important than the integrity of a forum that people could already make bulletproof fakes on anyway if they knew what they were doing... Free information!

X-Act kicks ass.

Syberia · Aug 28th, 2008, 3:32:02 PM

With regards to IV restrictions - I haven't seen a guide to the legal IV/Nature/Hidden Power combinations for Shoddy anywhere on this site. Since it would be useful, I will begin making one, unless it exists already and I'm just too dumb to find it.

coolbho3000 · Aug 28th, 2008, 4:01:11 PM

Here are some offline versions.
SCV's app: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/18...PID_024039.zip which is quite capable.
An open source one (but no GUI): http://forum.pokesav.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1076&p=8844#p8844

hrc969 · Aug 28th, 2008, 4:25:54 PM

I think its better to just link to SCV's thread since the link you posted is already outdated.

He has a link to it at: http://forum.pokesav.org/viewtopic.php?p=8667#p8667

Arcaseven · Aug 28th, 2008, 4:41:31 PM

What's PID?

X-Act · Aug 28th, 2008, 4:45:07 PM

Not to be an asshole or anything, but I must say that ANY implementation that finds the PID of a Pokemon from its IVs uses the reverse RNG formula that, as far as I know, was discovered by me and by tsanth independently of each other without any external help. So every implementation that is neither by me nor by tsanth should give credit either to me or to tsanth as appropriate. I think this is only fair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Arcaseven

What's PID?

Read this.

SMZ · Aug 28th, 2008, 5:10:38 PM

Nice work X-Act. The applet hasn't changed for me so I'll delete Interenet Temp.Files later. Anyway, I put in IVs/nature my friend's shiny Adamant Eevee *caught in LG/FR* and it says no possibilities..so I tried another Pokemon's IVs/nature which is actually mine.. Heatran which I caught in Diamond and it also says no possibilities, why's that?

X-Act · Aug 28th, 2008, 5:28:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Metal Force

Nice work X-Act. The applet hasn't changed for me so I'll delete Interenet Temp.Files later. Anyway, I put in IVs/nature my friend's shiny Adamant Eevee *caught in LG/FR* and it says no possibilities..so I tried another Pokemon's IVs/nature which is actually mine.. Heatran which I caught in Diamond and it also says no possibilities, why's that?

You probably haven't calculated your IVs correctly.

SMZ · Aug 28th, 2008, 5:29:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat X-Act

You probably haven't calculated your IVs correctly.

Well I IV-battled for both..unless I wrote a number differently. Will check both again to make sure. Thanks.

Aug 28th, 2008, 5:48:54 AM	#1
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	IVs to PID applet The applet to find your PID of a Pokemon just by typing in its IVs and Nature has been uploaded here. Any bug reports and suggestions are welcome. This applet is a direct consequence of this article. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet! Last edited by X-Act; Aug 28th, 2008 at 4:46:12 PM.

Aug 28th, 2008, 6:48:04 AM	#3
Bentendo1 Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,444 Location: Location: Location:	Seems like a fine applet to me. The staff has thought of what this could do to the Wi-Fi board, right? __________________ ...

Aug 28th, 2008, 7:17:41 AM	#5
VoiceOfReason Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 27	Groundbreaking piece of work, but despite you saying the staff has already considered its implications, this applet (in conjunction with your previous article) will destroy the Wifi boards. I am not a Wifi-er but I can see that this will upset a LOT of people. __________________ (aka. underdawg.) Smog Issue 4 Article: Introduction to NU Smog Issue 6 Article: NU Metagame Analysis Smog Issue 7 Article: NU Metagame Update NU WARSTORY: Down to the Wire Cave canem.

Aug 28th, 2008, 7:56:53 AM	#6
Silent Storm Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 249 United Kingdom	^ The information is out there already, it was gonna happen sooner or later. Great work X-Act, and I hope you don't take this down just because some people will get upset. __________________ *Jolly Good Jester*

Aug 28th, 2008, 8:24:51 AM	#7
VoiceOfReason Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 27	Well I suppose (as you asked for suggestions) that extra pieces of output detailing Hidden Power, whether the Pokemon gets Ability 1 or 2, and whereabouts in the gender distribution the Pokemon lies, would be useful additions. As you know, these would all be easy to calculate from the data the applet already outputs, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had thought of this already. __________________ (aka. underdawg.) Smog Issue 4 Article: Introduction to NU Smog Issue 6 Article: NU Metagame Analysis Smog Issue 7 Article: NU Metagame Update NU WARSTORY: Down to the Wire Cave canem.

Aug 28th, 2008, 6:32:04 AM	#2
Serv Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 270	As usual great work X-Act.

Aug 28th, 2008, 8:42:40 AM	#8
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	Hmm okay I might do that. By the way, the text in the PID window should appear in a monospaced font (Courier). It does appear like that in my applet viewer, but somehow it doesn't appear like that on Internet Explorer. Just a minor thing really. EDIT: I fixed the applet to have monospaced font, and added Gender and Ability to the output. If your applet appears the same, exit from your browser and retry, or, if all else fails, delete all your temporary internet files and refresh the link. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet! Last edited by X-Act; Aug 28th, 2008 at 9:06:59 AM.

Aug 28th, 2008, 10:11:26 AM	#10
Arseus Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 869	This is really cool X-Act. So if you can determine the PID now, can you calculate seed from PID? Great work, both on this calculator and the article.

Aug 28th, 2008, 1:13:05 PM	#13
Silent Storm Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 249 United Kingdom	There are already offline versions of these kind of programs, PM me for details. __________________ *Jolly Good Jester* Last edited by Silent Storm; Aug 28th, 2008 at 1:16:12 PM.

Aug 28th, 2008, 2:12:56 PM	#15
the_artic_one Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 829 Seattle	Yeah don't worry about the wifi board, this information has been available since Tsanth's thread on gamespot blew up (I think someone there had a similar applet as well). Good job X-act. __________________ Warmachine 1.0 my warstory formatting program. Friend code :Richard 2792 7578 5799

Aug 28th, 2008, 2:15:50 PM	#16
Syberia Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,915 Irvine, CA	It being available to everyone is always better than it being available to only a few people. __________________ Black/White Friend Code: 1721 2578 4968 My Pokemon \| Free Pokemon \| YouTube \| Wonder Cards (now with Movie Celebis for Platinum and HG/SS!)

Aug 28th, 2008, 3:25:03 PM	#17
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,366 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	i think that the consequence of publicly available data on the IV restrictions is more important than the integrity of a forum that people could already make bulletproof fakes on anyway if they knew what they were doing... Free information! X-Act kicks ass. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it

Aug 28th, 2008, 3:32:02 PM	#18
Syberia Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,915 Irvine, CA	With regards to IV restrictions - I haven't seen a guide to the legal IV/Nature/Hidden Power combinations for Shoddy anywhere on this site. Since it would be useful, I will begin making one, unless it exists already and I'm just too dumb to find it. __________________ Black/White Friend Code: 1721 2578 4968 My Pokemon \| Free Pokemon \| YouTube \| Wonder Cards (now with Movie Celebis for Platinum and HG/SS!) Last edited by Syberia; Aug 28th, 2008 at 3:35:22 PM.

Aug 28th, 2008, 4:01:11 PM	#19
coolbho3000 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7	Here are some offline versions. SCV's app: http://www.hotlinkfiles.com/files/18...PID_024039.zip which is quite capable. An open source one (but no GUI): http://forum.pokesav.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1076&p=8844#p8844 Last edited by coolbho3000; Aug 28th, 2008 at 4:23:41 PM.

Aug 28th, 2008, 4:25:54 PM	#20
hrc969 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 58	I think its better to just link to SCV's thread since the link you posted is already outdated. He has a link to it at: http://forum.pokesav.org/viewtopic.php?p=8667#p8667

Aug 28th, 2008, 4:41:31 PM	#21
Arcaseven Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 267 OXYGEN	What's PID? __________________ Competitive Pokémon Search Engine Battle Hall: Garchomp (49), Leafeon (37) FC: 2750 8747 1987 White FC: 1420 6672 5883

Aug 28th, 2008, 5:10:38 PM	#23
SMZ Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,509 Kingdom of the Two Seas	Nice work X-Act. The applet hasn't changed for me so I'll delete Interenet Temp.Files later. Anyway, I put in IVs/nature my friend's shiny Adamant Eevee caught in LG/FR and it says no possibilities..so I tried another Pokemon's IVs/nature which is actually mine.. Heatran which I caught in Diamond and it also says no possibilities, why's that?