Syclant Analysis Workshop - Page 3

darkie · Aug 11th, 2008, 1:48:04 PM

the <p> tags are fine, but I'm going to end up using another format for the actual moveset and the section headers.

edit: Actually, nevermind. Keep using the SCMS format. Doug said he can write a script to do all the manual labor for us!

X-Trader · Aug 11th, 2008, 2:16:31 PM

Oh, OK.

Hyra · Aug 13th, 2008, 3:03:49 PM

....

I still don't like the mixed set or the SD set on this.... Now, I haven't used Syclant that much, but for those that have, can you just comment on what you actually run? Because both the SD set and the Mixed Set could be combined (as shown in a set posted earlier).

I really feel that these analysis should reflect what is actually used, since Syclant has been in use for almost 6 months now.

Syprus · Aug 13th, 2008, 11:11:02 PM

Tail Glow Syclant is the most common set used. Then comes the mixed.

Hyra · Aug 13th, 2008, 11:19:20 PM

Would you care to expand and say what moves are run on the mixed set? Because that is my main problem, it's currently the Tail Glow set with Brick Break as a third attack instead of another Special attack.

darkie · Aug 31st, 2008, 4:23:40 PM

I recently discovered - and tennis helped me to test - that Scizor is a great non-specs Syclant counter, so I feel its a good idea to put that in the counters section.

ScarfScizor wins against all Syclant, while a more defensive minded spread is more useful in other situations (except against SpecsAnts). Jolly Scarf Scizor reaches 376 speed, while syclant only attains 375 with a +speed nature.

In fact, the only Syclant that Scizor will always lose against is Mag's HP Fire ScarfAnt x_x

for reference, this is the set i'm using to counter syclant:
Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Swarm
EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Iron Head
- Roost
- U-turn
- Quick Attack
---

tennisace · Aug 31st, 2008, 4:28:06 PM

Seconded. It resists both STABs and is neutral to Ground and Fighting.

Coronis · Sep 11th, 2008, 12:33:49 AM

Why is tail glow + earth power illegal on syclant???
also superpower + earth power???

Captain · Sep 11th, 2008, 2:21:22 AM

The short answer: Egg moves. It just can't inherit Superpower and Earth power or Tail glow and Earth power at the same time.

ParadOxymoron · Sep 11th, 2008, 9:58:22 PM

Is Syclant's speed ever going to be lowered / Is his movepool ever going to be trimmed, or are we pretty much stuck with what we've got?

Hyra · Sep 11th, 2008, 9:59:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ParadOxymoron

Is Syclant's speed ever going to be lowered / Is his movepool ever going to be trimmed, or are we pretty much stuck with what we've got?

once we figure out a revising process.

When we will do that, I don't know.

Helios · Sep 15th, 2008, 2:34:14 AM

Doesn't scizor now essentially counter Syclant ALL the time using bullet punch?

darkie · Sep 15th, 2008, 3:12:57 AM

Pretty much!

eric the espeon · Sep 15th, 2008, 1:55:48 PM

How much would it take from +2 Earth Power (Move Tutor), or HP fire (an over specific move.. I know..)? It can get two moves in if it has a sash, one on the switch and one from the sash.

Even if it takes something like 80% (probably much less) its still a great switch in.

cim · Sep 17th, 2008, 4:03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Sunday

After a Tail Glow Bug Buzz will 2HKO all bulky waters, a Blizzard will 2HKO all who do not resist it bar Blissey and Thick Fat Snorlax. Thick Fat Hariyama is also not 2HKOed, may want to mention I guess.

Ice Beam is a great STAB in the OU Metagame which is the only one you will see Syclant playing in. Line is horribly awkward, just say "Ice Beam is a great STAB attack in OU".

Minor nitpicks probably already pointed out, but I was bored and skimmed the OP for errors.

Bullet Punch Scizor always OHKOes Syclant if Scizor has Technician, which it should.

Aug 11th, 2008, 1:48:04 PM	#51
darkie coolcoolcool Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,352 Plano, TX	the <p> tags are fine, but I'm going to end up using another format for the actual moveset and the section headers. edit: Actually, nevermind. Keep using the SCMS format. Doug said he can write a script to do all the manual labor for us! __________________ Last edited by darkie; Aug 13th, 2008 at 3:38:31 PM.

Aug 13th, 2008, 11:11:02 PM	#54
Syprus Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 353	Tail Glow Syclant is the most common set used. Then comes the mixed. __________________ Faaaaaaaantastic!

Aug 31st, 2008, 4:23:40 PM	#56
darkie coolcoolcool Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,352 Plano, TX	I recently discovered - and tennis helped me to test - that Scizor is a great non-specs Syclant counter, so I feel its a good idea to put that in the counters section. ScarfScizor wins against all Syclant, while a more defensive minded spread is more useful in other situations (except against SpecsAnts). Jolly Scarf Scizor reaches 376 speed, while syclant only attains 375 with a +speed nature. In fact, the only Syclant that Scizor will always lose against is Mag's HP Fire ScarfAnt x_x for reference, this is the set i'm using to counter syclant: Scizor @ Leftovers Ability: Swarm EVs: 252 HP/80 Def/176 SDef Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Iron Head - Roost - U-turn - Quick Attack --- __________________ Last edited by darkie; Aug 31st, 2008 at 4:47:02 PM.

Aug 31st, 2008, 4:28:06 PM	#57
tennisace RIDE OR DIE MOTHERFUCKERS ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,236	Seconded. It resists both STABs and is neutral to Ground and Fighting. __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Sep 11th, 2008, 2:21:22 AM	#59
Captain Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 268 Hyperbeem is my lover, but I have ADDICTIONS.	The short answer: Egg moves. It just can't inherit Superpower and Earth power or Tail glow and Earth power at the same time. __________________ underground mod/test server: http://captain.psim.us/ Previous owner of 5th gen Streetmons server. Previous owner of 4th gen modded server.

Aug 11th, 2008, 2:16:31 PM	#52
X-Trader Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,991	Oh, OK.

Sep 11th, 2008, 12:33:49 AM	#58
Coronis Keeping the dream alive~ Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,359 The North Wind	Why is tail glow + earth power illegal on syclant??? also superpower + earth power???

Sep 11th, 2008, 9:58:22 PM	#60
ParadOxymoron Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 397 cool kid	Is Syclant's speed ever going to be lowered / Is his movepool ever going to be trimmed, or are we pretty much stuck with what we've got?

Sep 15th, 2008, 2:34:14 AM	#62
Helios Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 158	Doesn't scizor now essentially counter Syclant ALL the time using bullet punch?

Sep 15th, 2008, 3:12:57 AM	#63
darkie coolcoolcool Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,352 Plano, TX	Pretty much! __________________

Sep 15th, 2008, 1:55:48 PM	#64
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	How much would it take from +2 Earth Power (Move Tutor), or HP fire (an over specific move.. I know..)? It can get two moves in if it has a sash, one on the switch and one from the sash. Even if it takes something like 80% (probably much less) its still a great switch in. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.