Shaymin-S Vote - Page 2

Kefka · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:37:29 PM

Voted Uber.

unaware · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:38:42 PM

I voted Uber.

Kagster123 · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:39:03 PM

Uber.

SpiritofSteel · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:40:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Philip7086

lol, 10 bucks says that once this thing's officially OU, everybody will make Skymin-based teams. I honestly feel that the only reason it's usage stats were so low, is cause most of us didn't want to waste our time making a team that would turn obsolete (if voted uber). I am going to lol so hard at the metagame that will ensue if the voting trend stays the same as it is right now.

Voted Uber

Actually that is exactly what I was thinking. =/

Jimbo · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:40:59 PM

Voted Uber

Syberia · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:45:48 PM

I can't decide. That's reason enough to vote OU for me, since it hasn't presented itself as clearly uber.

Freemason · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:50:09 PM

OU

DawnBringer · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:52:48 PM

Uber.

Stone_Cold · Dec 4th, 2008, 2:58:04 PM

Okay, so I really was going to vote OU, but after seeing Skymin take out my 6 cm rachi more then once with pure luck, I decided Uber. I also wanted to vote the opposite of TAY.

Brian McCann · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:01:07 PM

Voted Uber,for obvious reasons. SubSeed is a real threat taking into account it's 80% SpDrop and 60% Flinch rate, where I've been flinched by it 12 times in a row, Fun right? And we don't want a metagame full of this.

Huntofthelion · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Philip7086

lol, 10 bucks says that once this thing's officially OU, everybody will make Skymin-based teams. I honestly feel that the only reason it's usage stats were so low, is cause most of us didn't want to waste our time making a team that would turn obsolete (if voted uber). I am going to lol so hard at the metagame that will ensue if the voting trend stays the same as it is right now.

Voted Uber

This, I know its why I didn't use it, though I know many people actually used it on the last day to get their rating up so they could ban it

Phyres · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:07:02 PM

Voted Uber this thing shouldn't stay in OU

Philip7086 · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat EeveeTrainer

Skymin does not come close to the level of sheer uncounterability seen in such previous metagame threats as Garchomp and Manaphy. Even a simple Skarmory, with its measly 176 Special Defense, can often force Skymin out. Additionally, its PP is very quickly drained by the likes of one of its major switch-ins, Zapdos. The Life Orb set is worn down in no time, especially in Sandstorm/Hail, and even more especially with Substitute.

The most fearsome form of Skymin, in my opinion, is the SubSeeder, but it isn't necessarily any better at this job than Sceptile; its 100 base HP versus Sceptile's 70 actually works against it with Leech Seed recovery being unable to restore enough HP to offset 85-101 HP Substitutes. And, like Sceptile, the SubSeeder tends to be easily walled with only two attacks.

While Skymin can be annoying, that's not enough to force it to Uber. I voted OU because of its relative ease to counter.

lmao, I can't believe you just claimed that Sceptile is even on par w/ Skymin in terms of sub-seeding. Skymin has a STAB 60% flinch SE move on any pokemon who resist Leech Seed. Can Sceptile claim that? That's far superior to recovering slightly less each seeded turn. I also can't tell you how many times I've had Skymin at under 25%, about to kill it, just to have it flinch me, and recover 15% or so.

Nachos · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:15:06 PM

OU.

stvn · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:16:16 PM

voted uber.
SubSeed with 60% of flinch rate with that speed is too much, and because of that you WILL get haxed to death (as it is what always happens, with me at least)

Shaft · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:19:46 PM

Ubah.

sbc · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:23:52 PM

I don't feel like turning this into a massive discussion thread but I don't agree with some of the reasoning here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Philip7086

lol, 10 bucks says that once this thing's officially OU, everybody will make Skymin-based teams. I honestly feel that the only reason it's usage stats were so low, is cause most of us didn't want to waste our time making a team that would turn obsolete (if voted uber). I am going to lol so hard at the metagame that will ensue if the voting trend stays the same as it is right now.

Voted Uber

This didn't affect Deoxys-E having its most use whilst it was a suspect and obviously was going to be banned. And it didn't stop Garchomp being number 1. The Skymin voting period was a month so its hardly short notice anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat stone_cold22

Okay, so I really was going to vote OU, but after seeing Skymin take out my 6 cm rachi more then once with pure luck, I decided Uber. I also wanted to vote the opposite of TAY.

How did Skymin take out a 6 CM Jirachi unless it got a critical hit? It won't win with Air Slash flinches recovering less than Leftovers so and if you are saying Skymin is uber based on it getting a CH then that you are really not using common sense.

RaiD · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:25:48 PM

Voted Uber.

PurpleWeezing · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:25:57 PM

OU, in theory it really seems to be Uber, but actually I never had problems with it (okay, once when I had Breloom and Swampert left xD).

Stone_Cold · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:26:01 PM

Common sense?

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9%

Did I explain it clearly enough for you?

They both also had sub and leech seed which didn't help my cause.

Imran · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:29:20 PM

do you know what the odds of that are?

There is a 0.12 (2s.f.) (0.57^12) chance of that happening, now that is extreme luck to be basing a vote on, considering especially, why weren't you carrying leftovers or your 'rachi?

Stone_Cold · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:30:55 PM

I edited it above. Also, id debate you guys and write my story on why I believe it should be uber, but quite frankly....my opinion is my own it is not yours. So please don't quote my posts and shit trying to debate when this is a voting thread.

KthnxBye.

Lutra · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:31:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Goldfan

do you know what the odds of that are?

There is a 0.12 (2s.f.) (0.57^12) chance of that happening, now that is extreme luck to be basing a vote on, considering especially, why weren't you carrying leftovers or your 'rachi?

You mean 0.0012?

Imran · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:32:23 PM

oops i meant as a percentage, forgot to put that in :P

Luphrous · Dec 4th, 2008, 3:33:14 PM

Voted OU.

Obviously it's still early, but I'm absolutely shocked that Uber has the lead right now. I thought that pretty much everyone(not everyone but a lot) agreed he was underwhelming. In my experiences at least, he's a joke. Words can't describe how little trouble he has caused me. I suppose more people are thrown off by his 'luck' factor than I thought.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:37:29 PM	#26
Kefka Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 235	Voted Uber. __________________ Pokémon VGC 2012 Birmingham - Top 16 Pokémon VGC 2011 Madrid - Top 16 Pokémon VGC 2011 Rome - Top 16 Pokémon VGC 2010 Madrid - Champion

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:39:03 PM	#28
Kagster123 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 364 Los Angeles, CA	Uber. __________________ Alakazam used Trick. Alakazam obtained Choice Scarf! Metagross obtained Choice Scarf! Metagross used Trick. Metagross obtained Choice Scarf! Alakazam obtained Choice Scarf!

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:45:48 PM	#31
Syberia Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,915 Irvine, CA	I can't decide. That's reason enough to vote OU for me, since it hasn't presented itself as clearly uber. __________________ Black/White Friend Code: 1721 2578 4968 My Pokemon \| Free Pokemon \| YouTube \| Wonder Cards (now with Movie Celebis for Platinum and HG/SS!)

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:50:09 PM	#32
Freemason Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 43	OU __________________

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:52:48 PM	#33
DawnBringer The thrill of attempting to get what you will never obtain. Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,976	Uber. __________________

View Poll Results: Shaymin-S
OU	56	48.70%
Uber	59	51.30%
Voters: 115. You may not vote on this poll

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:38:42 PM	#27
unaware Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 97	I voted Uber.

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:40:59 PM	#30
Jimbo it's a revolution, i suppose Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,573 New Jersey	Voted Uber

Dec 4th, 2008, 2:58:04 PM	#34
Stone_Cold Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,856	Okay, so I really was going to vote OU, but after seeing Skymin take out my 6 cm rachi more then once with pure luck, I decided Uber. I also wanted to vote the opposite of TAY. __________________ Let's get down to business....

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:01:07 PM	#35
Brian McCann Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 51	Voted Uber,for obvious reasons. SubSeed is a real threat taking into account it's 80% SpDrop and 60% Flinch rate, where I've been flinched by it 12 times in a row, Fun right? And we don't want a metagame full of this.

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:07:02 PM	#37
Phyres Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 217 Mauritania	Voted Uber this thing shouldn't stay in OU __________________ Won the Free Rayquaza tournament

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:15:06 PM	#39
Nachos You Only Stack Once Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,347	OU. __________________ (ღ˘⌣˘ღ)

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:16:16 PM	#40
stvn Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 128	voted uber. SubSeed with 60% of flinch rate with that speed is too much, and because of that you WILL get haxed to death (as it is what always happens, with me at least) __________________

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:19:46 PM	#41
Shaft Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 30 Amsterdam	Ubah.

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:25:48 PM	#43
RaiD Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2	Voted Uber.

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:25:57 PM	#44
PurpleWeezing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 281 Dortmund, Germany	OU, in theory it really seems to be Uber, but actually I never had problems with it (okay, once when I had Breloom and Swampert left xD).

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:26:01 PM	#45
Stone_Cold Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,856	Common sense? Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Skymin uses Air slash JIRACHI FLINCHES! Losses 9% Did I explain it clearly enough for you? They both also had sub and leech seed which didn't help my cause. __________________ Let's get down to business.... Last edited by Stone_Cold; Dec 4th, 2008 at 3:28:42 PM.

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:29:20 PM	#46
Imran Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,290 33 / 38 / 28	do you know what the odds of that are? There is a 0.12 (2s.f.) (0.57^12) chance of that happening, now that is extreme luck to be basing a vote on, considering especially, why weren't you carrying leftovers or your 'rachi? __________________ Possibly the most interesting thread on Smogon .Bored of having to type coherantly? <LegacyRaider> it just feels nice to be able to whack that thing lol FRIGGIN IDIOTS OF A NATIONS If you are where I am, I'll give you my crsid and we can go to a pub or something :) I make music, please take a listen if you are that way inclined. Here is my Soundcloud and my Youtube.

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:30:55 PM	#47
Stone_Cold Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,856	I edited it above. Also, id debate you guys and write my story on why I believe it should be uber, but quite frankly....my opinion is my own it is not yours. So please don't quote my posts and shit trying to debate when this is a voting thread. KthnxBye. __________________ Let's get down to business....

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:32:23 PM	#49
Imran Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,290 33 / 38 / 28	oops i meant as a percentage, forgot to put that in :P __________________ Possibly the most interesting thread on Smogon .Bored of having to type coherantly? <LegacyRaider> it just feels nice to be able to whack that thing lol FRIGGIN IDIOTS OF A NATIONS If you are where I am, I'll give you my crsid and we can go to a pub or something :) I make music, please take a listen if you are that way inclined. Here is my Soundcloud and my Youtube.

Dec 4th, 2008, 3:33:14 PM	#50
Luphrous Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 314 All around the world, statues crumble for me	Voted OU. Obviously it's still early, but I'm absolutely shocked that Uber has the lead right now. I thought that pretty much everyone(not everyone but a lot) agreed he was underwhelming. In my experiences at least, he's a joke. Words can't describe how little trouble he has caused me. I suppose more people are thrown off by his 'luck' factor than I thought.