New OU List (January 2009) - Page 7

link6491 · Jan 9th, 2009, 12:34:55 AM

I must say after reading this thread and playing several rounds with a new team, Electivire is still a very reliable threat. With the speed boost and the mixed set (though I have mainly seen the Adamant set) Electivire can do a lot of damage. It seems that a lot of players forget about him, as I went and ran an old team with the Gyarados + Electivire combo and a lot of teams seemed to be ill-prepared. Even without the speed boost, 123 base Attack and its movepool are still very good

Veedrock · Jan 9th, 2009, 1:02:21 AM

One thing people fail to realize about Electivire is that he's faster and stronger than Lucario, carries a more useful immunity (and being struck by it benefits him), and he only has one weakness.

He's not magnificant, but underrated by a majority of the OU community no doubt. If it was just "scrubs" using him, he wouldn't still be OU. Look at Donphan.

blasphemy1 · Jan 9th, 2009, 1:33:35 AM

Electivire is still a good pokemon, although it isn't stronger than Lucario, purely because Close Combat outdamages ThunderPunch. Electivire's ability WOULD be great, but unfortunately the electric pokemon/moves he switches into are often paired with other moves. For example, a Timid LO Zapdos's Heat Wave can manage a 2HKO provided Stealth Rock is in play. Rotom-A carries Will-o-Wisp / Reflect, and Shadow Ball hurts too. He's great at switching into Blissey, but he doesn't enjoy Toxic too much. Overall, the metagame is just too fast for Electivire to be as efficient as other sweepers. Whether it is +Speed base 115's running Scarfs, or powerful priority attacks from the likes of Scizor(Bullet Punch 2HKOs after SD), Lucario, and Mamoswine, the lack of opportunities to switchin are beat out the pros of his ability/movepool.

As for GyaraVire, I think right now is possibly the worst time to use it. People are running Gyarados + SpecsJolt all over the place, so people are being careful when they throw electric moves around.

TorchicBlaziken · Jan 11th, 2009, 2:05:56 PM

Finally! Rhyperior and Flygon are in OU where they belong!

Jan 9th, 2009, 12:34:55 AM	#151
link6491 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 612	I must say after reading this thread and playing several rounds with a new team, Electivire is still a very reliable threat. With the speed boost and the mixed set (though I have mainly seen the Adamant set) Electivire can do a lot of damage. It seems that a lot of players forget about him, as I went and ran an old team with the Gyarados + Electivire combo and a lot of teams seemed to be ill-prepared. Even without the speed boost, 123 base Attack and its movepool are still very good __________________ Wi-Fi FC-0688-7258-8312 My Trade Thread http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...85#post1747485 Now with this- Lapras @ Adamant (Water Absorb) w/ Dragon Dance 29/31/31/x/31/31

Jan 9th, 2009, 1:02:21 AM	#152
Veedrock Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,778 Location: Alaska, USA Occupation: Gamer Gamerscore: 84319	One thing people fail to realize about Electivire is that he's faster and stronger than Lucario, carries a more useful immunity (and being struck by it benefits him), and he only has one weakness. He's not magnificant, but underrated by a majority of the OU community no doubt. If it was just "scrubs" using him, he wouldn't still be OU. Look at Donphan. __________________ Now playing: Minecraft, Street Fighter x Tekken

Jan 9th, 2009, 1:33:35 AM	#153
blasphemy1 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,616 In the Hall of the Goblin King	Electivire is still a good pokemon, although it isn't stronger than Lucario, purely because Close Combat outdamages ThunderPunch. Electivire's ability WOULD be great, but unfortunately the electric pokemon/moves he switches into are often paired with other moves. For example, a Timid LO Zapdos's Heat Wave can manage a 2HKO provided Stealth Rock is in play. Rotom-A carries Will-o-Wisp / Reflect, and Shadow Ball hurts too. He's great at switching into Blissey, but he doesn't enjoy Toxic too much. Overall, the metagame is just too fast for Electivire to be as efficient as other sweepers. Whether it is +Speed base 115's running Scarfs, or powerful priority attacks from the likes of Scizor(Bullet Punch 2HKOs after SD), Lucario, and Mamoswine, the lack of opportunities to switchin are beat out the pros of his ability/movepool. As for GyaraVire, I think right now is possibly the worst time to use it. People are running Gyarados + SpecsJolt all over the place, so people are being careful when they throw electric moves around.

Jan 11th, 2009, 2:05:56 PM	#154
TorchicBlaziken Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225 Use sunscreen!	Finally! Rhyperior and Flygon are in OU where they belong!