Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - January 2009 - Page 2

Malfunction · Feb 6th, 2009, 6:47:07 AM

Thanks for your awesome work Doug! You sure deserve that Smogon award!
Heatran is near top ten lead yay!

Garganator · Feb 6th, 2009, 7:27:14 AM

I agree, ubers gets some love, which deserves ;). It's too enjoyable metagame to ignore it completely.

I knew it, that seeing much more Wobbufetts in Ubers wasn't coincidence - I saw last time much more of them and some of them used quite well. Yeah, Quagsire has more then 100 uses in Ubers, interesting;). And Parasect is also suprisingly high, but that warstory was more then enough to promote it I guess.

Salamence second - Somehow I'm not surprised. I'm quite surprised in low position of Chansey in UU, but I guess that people realised that Chansey is a really good set-up fodder for deadly sweepers. And Claydol being 13th... not bad ;). Anyway, thanks for stats Doug. Good job as always :D.

Blue Kirby · Feb 6th, 2009, 8:02:18 AM

Stickied for reference, as per usual.

I don't know how you keep managing to do it, but you've outdone yourself once again. Thanks so much for your hard work. :)

Mattman324 · Feb 6th, 2009, 8:14:18 AM

Ya know, with all the stallrain running amok, it makes me wonder what happened to wall-rain. Was he murdered or something? Also, Yays first post!

Zoro · Feb 6th, 2009, 8:18:03 AM

Changes in OU:

Quote:

1. Scizor (=) +21104
2. Salamence (+1) +28392
3. Heatran (-1) +2086
4. Gyarados (+1) +16590
5. Metagross (+6) +25571
6. Infernape (+2) +12498
7. Tyranitar (-3) -2595
8. Blissey (-1) +7206
9. Swampert (+3) +15314
10. Lucario (-1) +5770
11. Zapdos (-5)
12. Gengar (-3)
13. Celebi (+1)
14. Jirachi (+1)
15. Azelf (+1)
16. Bronzong (-3)
17. Starmie (=)
18. Vaporeon (=)
19. Flygon (+11)
20. Machamp (-1)
21. Breloom (+2)
22. Kingdra (-1)
23. Skarmory (+2)
24. Suicune (-4)
25. Gliscor (-3)
26. Rotom-h (+1)
27. Togekiss (-3)
28. Magnezone (=)
29. Jolteon (+9)
30. Weavile (-4)
31. Electrivire (-2)
32. Hippowdon (+1)
33. Snorlax (-1)
34. Forretress (+2)
35. Heracross (=)
36. Aerodactyl (-2)
37. Cresselia (=)
38. Tentacruel (+3)
39. Mamoswine (-8)
40. Empoleon (+6)
41. Dusknoir (-1)
42. Porygonz (+2)
43. Dragonite (=)
44. Alakazam (+4)
45. Dugtrio (+2)
46. Yanmega (+3)
47. Porygon2 (+7)

48. Rhyperior (-6)

49. Ninjask (-4)
50. Donphan (=)

Leads:

Quote:

1. Metagross (+7)

2. Azelf (-1)

3. Jirachi (+2)
4. Tyranitar (-2)
5. Infernape (-1)
6. Aerodactyl (-3)
7. Bronzong (-1)
8. Hippowdon (-1)
9. Swampert (+2)
10. Ninjask (-1)
11. Heatran (+5)
12. Gengar (-2)
13. Gyarados (-1)
14. Yanmega (+3)
15. Ambipom (+6)
16. Zapdos (-2)
17. Salamence (+3)
18. Machamp (-3)
19. Abomasnow (-6)
20. Roserade (+3)
21. Weavile (-3)
22. Crobat (+2)
23. Jolteon (+5)
24. Smeargle (-5)
25. Scizor (-3)

Metagross it the big winner I guess?

And Doug, thanks for these wonderful stats ^_^

Matthew · Feb 6th, 2009, 8:19:57 AM

Thanks SO much Thug.

Parasect is number 36.
followed by Toxicroak with only 25 less battles.
Primeape is 39 which I'm happy to see.
but, I think Heracross(28)is still over shadowing him as a Darkrai counter.

This doesn't matter, all that matters is Parasect and all the other UU's actually got some action this month. Let's see it continue.

I'm so happy.

EDIT: God damn it Theorymon and your making Wobb extremely popular

twash · Feb 6th, 2009, 8:24:46 AM

Wow, Doug this is incredible. Thanks so much for this.

darkie · Feb 6th, 2009, 9:13:40 AM

Jesus, Doug. This stuff is so fun to browse through.

Mattman324 · Feb 6th, 2009, 9:36:12 AM

Hmm... (looks at 52, umbreon) Either baton pass is suddenly more viable, or my cousen gets on more than I think he does. (I can never catch him on the server.

SkarmBlissFTW · Feb 6th, 2009, 10:00:37 AM

Scizor is still number one, thank god, but Salamence just might pass him this month. Unless ScarfLatias becomes popular...

**Theorymon** · Feb 6th, 2009, 10:14:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gen. Empoleon

Thanks SO much Thug.

Parasect is number 36.
followed by Toxicroak with only 25 less battles.
Primeape is 39 which I'm happy to see.
but, I think Heracross(28)is still over shadowing him as a Darkrai counter.

This doesn't matter, all that matters is Parasect and all the other UU's actually got some action this month. Let's see it continue.

I'm so happy.

EDIT: God damn it Theorymon and your making Wobb extremely popular

I seen several Wobbuffets switch in to scarf Darkrai's Dark void to beat it, but its not a good idea for a couple of reasons. First of all, many Scarfrais have started to trick first, as this beats Wobbuffet. Second of all, some Darkrai leads have focus sash. One of the great things about Wobbuffet is that he completly shuts Lugia down. if Lugia whirwinds, he gets encored, which often means he is tuck using roost or reflect. if Wobbuffet encores an attack, Wobbuffet will almost always kill Lugia, which can open some teams to a Rayquaza sweep.

I am aslo quite shocked at Heracross's usage, he is pretty much the best switch in to Dark Void in the game!

Edit:Wobbuffet doesn't like the rare trick specs lugia at all.

charmander6000 · Feb 6th, 2009, 10:36:28 AM

For all the whining about Abomasnow I'm surprised it's only 23rd in UU. Chansey is also the only NFE pokemon that has a good chance at making UU. Funny since Porygon2 is almost OU yet is ignored here.

I've also noticed that UU is much more diveresed than OU. This month OU had 54 members while UU had 71. Of course this is the first month of testing so maybe the huge number shouldn't be a surprise.

reachzero · Feb 6th, 2009, 11:13:24 AM

While Infernape certainly does look tempting looking at last month's OU numbers, it needs a partner to take out Latias for it to be able to do anything. Maybe CB Snorlax/Metagross/Scizor with Pursuit?

Edit: Doug never ceases to amaze....the partners stats are pretty awesome. Thanks!

ToF · Feb 6th, 2009, 11:14:42 AM

Excellent as usual Doug, thanks!

Salamence is no surprise, and neither is Infernape to be honest. Infernape basically beats most other common leads, so its spike in usage is probably a testament to its ability.

The only surprise was Magnezone to me as so low on suspect, as I thought it was used way more than the statistics indicate.

eric the espeon · Feb 6th, 2009, 11:33:14 AM

*awed silence*

*massive smile*

And Doug managed to make the stats even better than before.. somehow.

Wow.. New UU is massively decentralised. Can't wait to see X-Act's tier list, wonder it it will have like 70~80 standards.

*goes back to reading stats*

SHUCKLE MAN · Feb 6th, 2009, 11:51:50 AM

I'm sure UU will centralize slightly, but even then, I'm sure it'll have a large tier. Hopefully, when we start testing BL suspects, the number of OU UUs will increase even more! If it doesn't, I guess people will be less inclined to ban the Pokemon in question.

reachzero · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:01:16 PM

Does Rampardos at 71 in UU seem a little high to anyone else? More uses than Tauros, Camerupt, Rhydon, Jumpluff, Sharpedo, Lickylicky, Quagsire, Jynx and Banette? I would rather use any of those than Rampardos; Rampardos has poor typing, paper defenses, and only one good stat....

mien · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:05:27 PM

Has nobody noticed the sudden rise in ammount of battles?

I mean it always has been around 250'000 and now suddenly 320'000 ,if my calculations are correct that's an increase of 28%

I wonder where all those users are comming from. I could understand a slight increase over the months because more WiFi players might be moving over to Shoddy. However that doesn't explain this insane rise

SHUCKLE MAN · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat reachzero

Does Rampardos at 71 in UU seem a little high to anyone else? More uses than Tauros, Camerupt, Rhydon, Jumpluff, Sharpedo, Lickylicky, Quagsire, Jynx and Banette? I would rather use any of those than Rampardos; Rampardos has poor typing, paper defenses, and only one good stat....

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised by that too. It beating Rhydon especially, as I think Rhydon is a lot more useful than Rampardos personally. Poor Rhydon needs a break though. It's been OU all of RBY, GSC and the most part of Advance. I don't know why something that has Earthquakes as strong as Garchomp got an evolution in DP, but there you go...

petrie911 · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:34:39 PM

Tons of new pokemon get added to UU, and Steelix drops 1 place. Nice.

So, if we were to make a tier list out of this, where would the cutoff be for "Standard UU"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat reachzero

Does Rampardos at 71 in UU seem a little high to anyone else? More uses than Tauros, Camerupt, Rhydon, Jumpluff, Sharpedo, Lickylicky, Quagsire, Jynx and Banette? I would rather use any of those than Rampardos; Rampardos has poor typing, paper defenses, and only one good stat....

Sub+Liechi+Rock Polish kicks the crap out of so many things, and its ability means it only needs Stone Edge+EQ for perfect netural coverage on everything bar Torterra. After the Rock Polish, it outspeeds neutral Scarf base 100s (probably the fastest things you'll see in UU) and +1 attack off 165 base hits very, very hard. Swords Dance and Choice sets can also be quite dangerous.

Kagster123 · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:42:47 PM

These stats are really great Doug! Thanks!

Glad to see Jolteon getting more useage, its always been one of my favs. Also glad to see Alakazam rose a few spots rather then drop. :)

Heysup · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:43:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Imran

How to build a good UU Hail team 101:

Code:

| Abomasnow  |  1. Walrein    |     5135 |    76.83 |        1 |     6.03 |       20 |      +19 |
| Abomasnow  |  2. Froslass   |     4158 |    62.21 |        2 |    14.08 |        5 |       +3 |
| Abomasnow  |  3. Nidoqueen  |     2066 |    30.91 |        3 |     6.70 |       17 |      +14 |
| Abomasnow  |  4. Clefable   |     1629 |    24.37 |        4 |    12.93 |        7 |       +3 |
| Abomasnow  |  5. Glaceon    |     1571 |    23.50 |        5 |     4.13 |       22 |      +17 |

I lol'd.

Thanks alot Doug! But i have a question, do these statistics inlude any usage before the BLs were demoted to UU? If not, the statistics show that people did in fact test many many pokemon.

Rampardos' usage was probably all from me and people who read my RMT lol(it works i swear).

cim · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:47:29 PM

Doug, I love you. Thanks for doing what you do. These stats are like the best part of my month.

Perish Song Lapras and Hariyama is too low in New UU; both check more of the Top 15 than you'd think! Lapras also just says no to Milotic.

SHUCKLE MAN · Feb 6th, 2009, 12:53:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat petrie911

Tons of new pokemon get added to UU, and Steelix drops 1 place. Nice.

So, if we were to make a tier list out of this, where would the cutoff be for "Standard UU"?

I tried to calculate it, and I got Weezing to be the lowest used Pokemon in standard UU. So that would be 56 Pokemon, with Ninetales just missing the cut.

I probably did it wrong though. :0

charmander6000 · Feb 6th, 2009, 3:06:43 PM

I got Rampardos (71st), the cut off line is the top 80% used right?

Feb 6th, 2009, 7:27:14 AM	#27
Garganator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540 Koszalin, Poland	I agree, ubers gets some love, which deserves ;). It's too enjoyable metagame to ignore it completely. I knew it, that seeing much more Wobbufetts in Ubers wasn't coincidence - I saw last time much more of them and some of them used quite well. Yeah, Quagsire has more then 100 uses in Ubers, interesting;). And Parasect is also suprisingly high, but that warstory was more then enough to promote it I guess. Salamence second - Somehow I'm not surprised. I'm quite surprised in low position of Chansey in UU, but I guess that people realised that Chansey is a really good set-up fodder for deadly sweepers. And Claydol being 13th... not bad ;). Anyway, thanks for stats Doug. Good job as always :D. Last edited by Garganator; Feb 6th, 2009 at 7:35:00 AM.

Feb 6th, 2009, 8:02:18 AM	#28
Blue Kirby Keep your hands off my stack. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,813	Stickied for reference, as per usual. I don't know how you keep managing to do it, but you've outdone yourself once again. Thanks so much for your hard work. :) __________________

Feb 6th, 2009, 8:19:57 AM	#31
Matthew I love weather; Sun for days Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,573 Where the Sun finally sets	Thanks SO much Thug. Parasect is number 36. followed by Toxicroak with only 25 less battles. Primeape is 39 which I'm happy to see. but, I think Heracross(28)is still over shadowing him as a Darkrai counter. This doesn't matter, all that matters is Parasect and all the other UU's actually got some action this month. Let's see it continue. I'm so happy. EDIT: God damn it Theorymon and your making Wobb extremely popular __________________ ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ What bitgamer tehconnection popcorn last.fm Last edited by Matthew; Feb 6th, 2009 at 8:37:04 AM.

Feb 6th, 2009, 8:24:46 AM	#32
twash A kiki is a party, for calming all your nerves. ♥ Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,309	Wow, Doug this is incredible. Thanks so much for this. __________________ We knew all the answers and we shouted them like anthems

Feb 6th, 2009, 9:13:40 AM	#33
darkie coolcoolcool Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,351 Plano, TX	Jesus, Doug. This stuff is so fun to browse through. __________________

Feb 6th, 2009, 6:47:07 AM	#26
Malfunction Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,519 In a world of white, black, and gray	Thanks for your awesome work Doug! You sure deserve that Smogon award! Heatran is near top ten lead yay!

Feb 6th, 2009, 8:14:18 AM	#29
Mattman324 Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 620 In AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALBUQUERQUE!	Ya know, with all the stallrain running amok, it makes me wonder what happened to wall-rain. Was he murdered or something? Also, Yays first post!

Feb 6th, 2009, 9:36:12 AM	#34
Mattman324 Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 620 In AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALBUQUERQUE!	Hmm... (looks at 52, umbreon) Either baton pass is suddenly more viable, or my cousen gets on more than I think he does. (I can never catch him on the server.

Feb 6th, 2009, 10:36:28 AM	#37
charmander6000 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 61	For all the whining about Abomasnow I'm surprised it's only 23rd in UU. Chansey is also the only NFE pokemon that has a good chance at making UU. Funny since Porygon2 is almost OU yet is ignored here. I've also noticed that UU is much more diveresed than OU. This month OU had 54 members while UU had 71. Of course this is the first month of testing so maybe the huge number shouldn't be a surprise. __________________ FC: 2835 6574 6275 Last edited by charmander6000; Feb 6th, 2009 at 10:52:00 AM.

Feb 6th, 2009, 11:14:42 AM	#39
ToF Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,029	Excellent as usual Doug, thanks! Salamence is no surprise, and neither is Infernape to be honest. Infernape basically beats most other common leads, so its spike in usage is probably a testament to its ability. The only surprise was Magnezone to me as so low on suspect, as I thought it was used way more than the statistics indicate.

Feb 6th, 2009, 11:33:14 AM	#40
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,693	awed silence massive smile And Doug managed to make the stats even better than before.. somehow. Wow.. New UU is massively decentralised. Can't wait to see X-Act's tier list, wonder it it will have like 70~80 standards. goes back to reading stats __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Feb 6th, 2009, 11:51:50 AM	#41
SHUCKLE MAN Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,083	I'm sure UU will centralize slightly, but even then, I'm sure it'll have a large tier. Hopefully, when we start testing BL suspects, the number of OU UUs will increase even more! If it doesn't, I guess people will be less inclined to ban the Pokemon in question. __________________ Shedinja fainted!

Feb 6th, 2009, 12:05:27 PM	#43
mien Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 643 Belgium	Has nobody noticed the sudden rise in ammount of battles? I mean it always has been around 250'000 and now suddenly 320'000 ,if my calculations are correct that's an increase of 28% I wonder where all those users are comming from. I could understand a slight increase over the months because more WiFi players might be moving over to Shoddy. However that doesn't explain this insane rise

Feb 6th, 2009, 12:42:47 PM	#46
Kagster123 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 364 Los Angeles, CA	These stats are really great Doug! Thanks! Glad to see Jolteon getting more useage, its always been one of my favs. Also glad to see Alakazam rose a few spots rather then drop. :) __________________ Alakazam used Trick. Alakazam obtained Choice Scarf! Metagross obtained Choice Scarf! Metagross used Trick. Metagross obtained Choice Scarf! Alakazam obtained Choice Scarf!

Feb 6th, 2009, 12:47:29 PM	#48
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,366 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	Doug, I love you. Thanks for doing what you do. These stats are like the best part of my month. Perish Song Lapras and Hariyama is too low in New UU; both check more of the Top 15 than you'd think! Lapras also just says no to Milotic. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it

Feb 6th, 2009, 3:06:43 PM	#50
charmander6000 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 61	I got Rampardos (71st), the cut off line is the top 80% used right? __________________ FC: 2835 6574 6275