Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - May 2009 - Page 2

Lemmiwinks MkII · Jun 3rd, 2009, 3:48:57 PM

I think people are seriously underestimating the impact that Dugtrio would have in UU. For one, your typical stall team would be completely on edge with this thing around; it can take out most Chansey, Clefable, Registeel, Drapion, Nidoqueen, Omastar etc with relative ease. Even Steelix and Regirock would be vulnerable at less than ~70% health. It would beat a lot of offensive Pokemon too, like Blaziken, Espeon, Mismagius, Ambipom and various others. Unlike other trappers it has lots of speed, and enough Attack power to make good use of it.

Also, if Crobat is somehow allowed to stay in UU this time round, the introduction of Dugtrio would probably be the final nail in the coffin. Who supports who more I wonder?

supermarth64 · Jun 3rd, 2009, 4:15:00 PM

Suicune is god... how is it still under Evire? It's so hard to take out... (not using Grass Knot on my team).

Blade Knight · Jun 3rd, 2009, 4:40:11 PM

Wow. Porygon2 and Umbreon are OU while Donphan and Dugtrio stew in UU... I'm not surprised with Donphan or Porygon2, though Dugtrio and Umbreon are a bit unexpected.
And now Porygon2 is the first NFE to be a OU Pokemon (which for some reason I find awesome).
Little random blurb: Umbreon and Porygon2 were OU in G/S/C days and after a R/S/E wait and now with the remakes coming out they return to OU.
Perhaps this means stall and defensive play is on rise?

Tsubasa-kun · Jun 3rd, 2009, 5:17:27 PM

awesome statistics like always, thanks doug

and i'm happy to see donphan's low usage :D

CrAZyMONkeYZ · Jun 3rd, 2009, 5:30:55 PM

| 49 | Umbreon | 22208 | 3.28 |
| 50 | Porygon2 | 21043 | 3.11 |
Amazing, Umbreon and Porygon2 have always been right behind the OU Pokes and i predict that eventually porygn2 is going to be used more than PorygonZ

VirtualKaraokeCircusAct · Jun 3rd, 2009, 6:11:34 PM

damn hera moving to uu... thats just, sad. also looks like palkia snuck past groudon in ubers. I liked having sea and ground fighting for the top spot.
Nice as usual doug.

Staraptor Call · Jun 3rd, 2009, 6:45:28 PM

Mamoswine leads have declined significantly. Last month, Mamo was the #20 lead, and now it's #32.

StealingUrAir · Jun 3rd, 2009, 6:50:02 PM

Thanks for the stats. Is garchomp really only on 64% of suspect teams? It seems like chomps are on every team i face on the ladder

Mr.E · Jun 3rd, 2009, 7:55:14 PM

Since this is the first time I've ever taken more than a cursory glance at these stats, may I suggest a "Rotom-A" totalling all five Rotom forms into the list. (On Suspect, "Rotom-A" would be 14 behind Lucario.) I suppose this is just a posting of what the program ripped, though.

Would've been nice to see what Deoxys-E's Suspect numbers would've been like if he had lasted the end of the month. :[ Almost double the second-highest lead even so, sheesh.

More than half of all Suspect Skarmory are no-DEF, SpD versions? I know it helps against the largely special-based Suspects (even so it doesn't do more than eat Meteors) but isn't that what the Blissey paired with it half the time is for?

You're doing it wrong, people.

Why is Garchomp usage so ridiculously high? It's a good pokémon but sheesh... Maybe its resists and base defenses just make it easier to fit into most teams than Latios or something. *shrug* Interestingly, it's only paired with T-Tar less than 30% of the time and Hippowdon is basically nowhere to be found. Garchomp itself is also the only one that shows up on every other pokémon's teammate list (and is 1-2 on all of them except Forretress). Caelum makes a good point regarding Suspect usage, though.

In other news, I'm not sure why people bitch about Electivire in OU. Flygon, Weavile, Aerodactyl are all otherwise very mediocre pokémon themselves. (Donphan too, which people finally seem to realize.) Awesome to see P2 usage almost as high as P-Z. Dugtrio would be a terror in UU, keeping in mind that its relative strength would go way up in the lower-defense environment of UU.

Missingno. Master · Jun 3rd, 2009, 8:21:31 PM

Qwilfish usage in Standard seems to have risen from 127 to 115, I see. Much of it's my doing, of course. Not enough, though- I plan to get the forgotten fearsome fish o' fantasticness into OU! See, when enough of my opponents realize how powerful Qwilfish can be, they'll be inspired to use one on their own OU teams. Which will lead to THEIR opponents being inspired and so forth. This is why I use a team full of UU or lower Pokemon in OU. And I actually do win.

And Scizor's got the top spot. I wouldn't be surprised if that starts to drop in the next month, seeing as I have been able to defeat every single Scizor I was faced with using an Arbok. Intimidate lets it survive Bullet Punch. Then it can OHKO with Fire Fang. This is the sort of thing that'll get Arbok into OU.

Tarquin · Jun 3rd, 2009, 8:37:18 PM

First month it has dawned on me how much work this must be... so Thhhhhaaaannnk youuuuuuuuuu

On a Statistics note, Heracross is a great pokemon that I think if used poorly, and could be up there with Machamp if it was given enough of a chance. And I think Dugtrio will always be OU, it just has too much potential to trap all those grounded UUs.

Karpi · Jun 3rd, 2009, 9:09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Missingno. Master

Qwilfish usage in Standard seems to have risen from 127 to 115, I see. Much of it's my doing, of course. Not enough, though- I plan to get the forgotten fearsome fish o' fantasticness into OU! See, when enough of my opponents realize how powerful Qwilfish can be, they'll be inspired to use one on their own OU teams.

How exactly do you USE qwilfish?
Ive faced them on rain teams and they explode/destiny bond, but does it actually do anything otherwise?

Missingno. Master · Jun 3rd, 2009, 9:29:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Karpi

How exactly do you USE qwilfish?
Ive faced them on rain teams and they explode/destiny bond, but does it actually do anything otherwise?

I take it you've never battled me before. Qwilfish are perfectly capable of sweeping, with a base 95 attack stat, a base 85 speed stat, Aqua Tail/Waterfall, Poison Jab, Explosion, and Swords Dance. I've used such a Qwilfish on my Shoddy team the past two months to great effect. Holding a Muscle Band.

A.P. · Jun 3rd, 2009, 10:29:10 PM

Great work Doug!

blasphemy1 · Jun 3rd, 2009, 10:35:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Blade Knight

Wow. Porygon2 and Umbreon are OU while Donphan and Dugtrio stew in UU... I'm not surprised with Donphan or Porygon2, though Dugtrio and Umbreon are a bit unexpected.
And now Porygon2 is the first NFE to be a OU Pokemon (which for some reason I find awesome).
Little random blurb: Umbreon and Porygon2 were OU in G/S/C days and after a R/S/E wait and now with the remakes coming out they return to OU.
Perhaps this means stall and defensive play is on rise?

No just idiocracy(when referring to Umbreon). Sure, it is a good pokemon in its own right, but in this metagame allowing a pokemon to switch in on weak, resisted attacks is a very bad thing, especially when those who resist are three of the most deadly sweepers(Scizor, Lucario, Heatran, to name a few). Atleast with Scizor and Tyranitar you just took out a huge threat with Pursuit(Gengar, Latias, etc.) but Umbreon just sits there Paybacking...

Ace Trainer Link · Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:08:07 PM

Bye bye yachechomp, the big reason why garchomp is uber in the first place. Choice Scarf chomp for the win, that will be the reason it is sent to uber this round. Also how come life orb doesn't show up as an item, it's weird as i've had success with it in the ladder to an extent.

***JabbaTheGriffin**** · Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mr.E

More than half of all Suspect Skarmory are no-DEF, SpD versions? I know it helps against the largely special-based Suspects (even so it doesn't do more than eat Meteors) but isn't that what the Blissey paired with it half the time is for?

You're doing it wrong, people.

The sp.def on skarmory is to make it much, much easier to set up spikes and then later proceed to shuffle. I don't get why making it easier to set up is "doing it wrong." If anything it's doing it right. Sure you lose your ability to counter a few threats here and there, but in Suspect, at least, you have much more ease setting up spikes, which is pretty huge.

Amphetamines · Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:15:00 PM

OU Leads:
24 | Machamp | 8297 | 1.22 |

Wow, people really underrate Machamp as a lead, I thought he would be around top 15 by now.

blasphemy1 · Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:28:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat JabbaTheGriffin

The sp.def on skarmory is to make it much, much easier to set up spikes and then later proceed to shuffle. I don't get why making it easier to set up is "doing it wrong." If anything it's doing it right. Sure you lose your ability to counter a few threats here and there, but in Suspect, at least, you have much more ease setting up spikes, which is pretty huge.

Not to mention in Suspect you have two natural checks to Garchomp in Latios and Latias, who can outspeed and OHKO SD variants, so the defense isn't as necessary for taking Fire Fangs. Being able to take Seed Flares and Air Slashes from Shaymin-S, Draco Meteors and Surfs from Lati@s, is incredibly useful, considering Lucario isn't quite as common it seems due to the prevalence of Garchomp.

**Theorymon** · Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:31:50 PM

I''ll update this post with something meaningful later, but I am very pleased with the Lugia increase. It makes Wobbuffet's job of setting up much easier for me >:D

Random Pizzaman · Jun 4th, 2009, 12:29:56 AM

Some things I noted:

-Dugtrio now has UU usage, and for Donphan it's the second month in a row. Dugtrio would maybe be banned, but I think Donphan would fit into UU well.
-Blissey out of the top 10 since...never?
-Heracross in UU would be cool, but i think it'll linger in the 40's forever like PorygonZ and Alakazam.
-Both LN's and Heysup's teams have had big impacts on Moltres(esp. as a lead), Cloyster (same as 'Tres), and Quagsire.
-Highest rise in (official) UU (as in 1-53ish, didn't forget you Quagsire!)) is Omastar, +26! More stall usage perhaps? Cloyster is right behind with +25. Biggest drop was Nidoking (idk why...).
-Palkia is a well desereved #2, its really a monstrous sweeper
-Why is Umbreon so (relatively) high?

Thanks Doug

Amphetamines · Jun 4th, 2009, 1:35:55 AM

^I think Heracross would be too powerful in UU, killing Slowbro / Registeel / Shaymin / etc. However, It would still be cool to use a pure SD set with Heracross in UU :D

Heysup · Jun 4th, 2009, 1:49:31 AM

UU:

Code:

|   40 | Cloyster   |   3052 |    4.45 |

UU Lead:

Code:

|   10 | Cloyster   |   1751 |

Mission accomplished!

I'm glad people are trying Cloyster out, it's awesome.

On another note, it's no surprise Crobat is #1, but I thought it would be by a larger margin.

Also, people having to deal with 2 popular Blaziken spreads is going to make Blaziken even more difficult to counter in UU (the old one is still popular, and the new one is on the rise), so that should be interesting.

If Dugtrio / Donphan make it into UU, that would definitely shake up the metagame (Earthquake pun intended) quite a bit.

ungulateman · Jun 4th, 2009, 1:56:14 AM

I'm suprised at the fact only 47% of Uber teams run Kyogre. I thought almost all of them did..... 0_0

remlabmez · Jun 4th, 2009, 2:24:46 AM

nice stats, was interesting to see that a lot of skarms have FULL spd evs on suspect ._.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 4:40:11 PM	#28
Blade Knight Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 35 Texas	Wow. Porygon2 and Umbreon are OU while Donphan and Dugtrio stew in UU... I'm not surprised with Donphan or Porygon2, though Dugtrio and Umbreon are a bit unexpected. And now Porygon2 is the first NFE to be a OU Pokemon (which for some reason I find awesome). Little random blurb: Umbreon and Porygon2 were OU in G/S/C days and after a R/S/E wait and now with the remakes coming out they return to OU. Perhaps this means stall and defensive play is on rise? __________________ ~1847-8470-0703~ Pearl. XALTAGO. For trades.~ ~1548-1088-3291~ Platinum. Knight. For battles.~ If you want to find me on PO look for Xaltago. On PL/Shoddy look for Blade Knight.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 5:17:27 PM	#29
Tsubasa-kun Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 999 Brazil	awesome statistics like always, thanks doug and i'm happy to see donphan's low usage :D __________________ Platinum FC: 3010 0028 1378 Black FC: 3224 7513 3121 *We Are All Witnesses - Trade Thread*

Jun 3rd, 2009, 5:30:55 PM	#30
CrAZyMONkeYZ Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 201 I am a seductive man-whore	\| 49 \| Umbreon \| 22208 \| 3.28 \| \| 50 \| Porygon2 \| 21043 \| 3.11 \| Amazing, Umbreon and Porygon2 have always been right behind the OU Pokes and i predict that eventually porygn2 is going to be used more than PorygonZ __________________ An Atheist, and therefor someone with Logic: What the HELL?! Why are you burning books! Some random Christian: We must burn everything that is a threat to Christianity. These include, but are not limited to Logic for 1st Graders, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, Stephen Hawking's A brief history of time, and all things related to common sense. Peaked 68/23451 on smogon's standard OU server

Jun 3rd, 2009, 6:11:34 PM	#31
VirtualKaraokeCircusAct Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,209	damn hera moving to uu... thats just, sad. also looks like palkia snuck past groudon in ubers. I liked having sea and ground fighting for the top spot. Nice as usual doug. __________________ Yeah I thought about snorting them, will probably try it if normal ingestion isn't enough. And no I never touched a raccoon, but I somtimes pretend my cat is one.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 7:55:14 PM	#34
Mr.E im the best Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,742	Since this is the first time I've ever taken more than a cursory glance at these stats, may I suggest a "Rotom-A" totalling all five Rotom forms into the list. (On Suspect, "Rotom-A" would be 14 behind Lucario.) I suppose this is just a posting of what the program ripped, though. Would've been nice to see what Deoxys-E's Suspect numbers would've been like if he had lasted the end of the month. :[ Almost double the second-highest lead even so, sheesh. More than half of all Suspect Skarmory are no-DEF, SpD versions? I know it helps against the largely special-based Suspects (even so it doesn't do more than eat Meteors) but isn't that what the Blissey paired with it half the time is for? You're doing it wrong, people. Why is Garchomp usage so ridiculously high? It's a good pokémon but sheesh... Maybe its resists and base defenses just make it easier to fit into most teams than Latios or something. shrug Interestingly, it's only paired with T-Tar less than 30% of the time and Hippowdon is basically nowhere to be found. Garchomp itself is also the only one that shows up on every other pokémon's teammate list (and is 1-2 on all of them except Forretress). Caelum makes a good point regarding Suspect usage, though. In other news, I'm not sure why people bitch about Electivire in OU. Flygon, Weavile, Aerodactyl are all otherwise very mediocre pokémon themselves. (Donphan too, which people finally seem to realize.) Awesome to see P2 usage almost as high as P-Z. Dugtrio would be a terror in UU, keeping in mind that its relative strength would go way up in the lower-defense environment of UU. __________________ FREE AND the Jump non ice beam cleric blissey Last edited by Mr.E; Jun 3rd, 2009 at 8:01:48 PM.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 3:48:57 PM	#26
Lemmiwinks MkII Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,679	I think people are seriously underestimating the impact that Dugtrio would have in UU. For one, your typical stall team would be completely on edge with this thing around; it can take out most Chansey, Clefable, Registeel, Drapion, Nidoqueen, Omastar etc with relative ease. Even Steelix and Regirock would be vulnerable at less than ~70% health. It would beat a lot of offensive Pokemon too, like Blaziken, Espeon, Mismagius, Ambipom and various others. Unlike other trappers it has lots of speed, and enough Attack power to make good use of it. Also, if Crobat is somehow allowed to stay in UU this time round, the introduction of Dugtrio would probably be the final nail in the coffin. Who supports who more I wonder?

Jun 3rd, 2009, 4:15:00 PM	#27
supermarth64 I see sparks fly whenever you smile Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,314 Illinois	Suicune is god... how is it still under Evire? It's so hard to take out... (not using Grass Knot on my team).

Jun 3rd, 2009, 6:45:28 PM	#32
Staraptor Call Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,422 Avatar by Lorak	Mamoswine leads have declined significantly. Last month, Mamo was the #20 lead, and now it's #32. __________________ ∩_∩ ¼_¼ φ_φ

Jun 3rd, 2009, 6:50:02 PM	#33
StealingUrAir Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 45	Thanks for the stats. Is garchomp really only on 64% of suspect teams? It seems like chomps are on every team i face on the ladder

Jun 3rd, 2009, 8:21:31 PM	#35
Missingno. Master Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 659 ???????	Qwilfish usage in Standard seems to have risen from 127 to 115, I see. Much of it's my doing, of course. Not enough, though- I plan to get the forgotten fearsome fish o' fantasticness into OU! See, when enough of my opponents realize how powerful Qwilfish can be, they'll be inspired to use one on their own OU teams. Which will lead to THEIR opponents being inspired and so forth. This is why I use a team full of UU or lower Pokemon in OU. And I actually do win. And Scizor's got the top spot. I wouldn't be surprised if that starts to drop in the next month, seeing as I have been able to defeat every single Scizor I was faced with using an Arbok. Intimidate lets it survive Bullet Punch. Then it can OHKO with Fire Fang. This is the sort of thing that'll get Arbok into OU. __________________ Disclaimer: The above post may or may not have been made by a sane person.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 8:37:18 PM	#36
Tarquin Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 294 Dollar, Scotland	First month it has dawned on me how much work this must be... so Thhhhhaaaannnk youuuuuuuuuu On a Statistics note, Heracross is a great pokemon that I think if used poorly, and could be up there with Machamp if it was given enough of a chance. And I think Dugtrio will always be OU, it just has too much potential to trap all those grounded UUs. __________________ Gen IV OU CRE Record : 1630 (12th) Gen V OU CRE Record : 1231 (144th) Terrakion is quite a good pocket monster. Nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems. Last edited by Tarquin; Jun 6th, 2009 at 7:14:31 AM.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 10:29:10 PM	#39
A.P. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 731 In my house - when I'm not somewhere else.	Great work Doug! __________________ Retired from Pokémon. Last edited by A.P.; Jun 4th, 2009 at 4:59:46 PM.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:08:07 PM	#41
Ace Trainer Link Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 69	Bye bye yachechomp, the big reason why garchomp is uber in the first place. Choice Scarf chomp for the win, that will be the reason it is sent to uber this round. Also how come life orb doesn't show up as an item, it's weird as i've had success with it in the ladder to an extent. __________________ "If God had wanted you to live he would not have created me!" Soldier TF2 Last edited by Ace Trainer Link; Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:15:40 PM.

Jun 3rd, 2009, 11:15:00 PM	#43
Amphetamines Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 196	OU Leads: 24 \| Machamp \| 8297 \| 1.22 \| Wow, people really underrate Machamp as a lead, I thought he would be around top 15 by now. __________________ http://i45.tinypic.com/ih0ehz.jpg

Jun 4th, 2009, 1:35:55 AM	#47
Amphetamines Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 196	^I think Heracross would be too powerful in UU, killing Slowbro / Registeel / Shaymin / etc. However, It would still be cool to use a pure SD set with Heracross in UU :D __________________ http://i45.tinypic.com/ih0ehz.jpg

Jun 4th, 2009, 1:49:31 AM	#48
Heysup GO JETS GO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,090 CanaJew	UU: Code: \| 40 \| Cloyster \| 3052 \| 4.45 \| UU Lead: Code: \| 10 \| Cloyster \| 1751 \| Mission accomplished! I'm glad people are trying Cloyster out, it's awesome. On another note, it's no surprise Crobat is #1, but I thought it would be by a larger margin. Also, people having to deal with 2 popular Blaziken spreads is going to make Blaziken even more difficult to counter in UU (the old one is still popular, and the new one is on the rise), so that should be interesting. If Dugtrio / Donphan make it into UU, that would definitely shake up the metagame (Earthquake pun intended) quite a bit. __________________ f u, v

Jun 4th, 2009, 1:56:14 AM	#49
ungulateman Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,119 Cambodia	I'm suprised at the fact only 47% of Uber teams run Kyogre. I thought almost all of them did..... 0_0 __________________ What's the difference between mainstream religion and Scientology? A few thousand years.