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pkmn1000 · Jul 23rd, 2009, 10:31:12 PM

Dugtrio doesnt counter chansey. Since eve if its banded its a 2HKO so chansey can always use counter. BTW Is it possible to get wish chansey in frlg teach it counter then migrate it?

**Mario With Lasers** · Jul 23rd, 2009, 11:11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat pkmn1000

Dugtrio doesnt counter chansey. Since eve if its banded its a 2HKO so chansey can always use counter. BTW Is it possible to get wish chansey in frlg teach it counter then migrate it?

Perfectly possible, as Wish was an evnet held in Advance era.

Xia · Jul 23rd, 2009, 11:45:20 PM

I also don't see why people keep running Ice Shard on Donphan. me and Seven Deadly Sins were talking, and a 4x Ice Shard is only marginally stronger than a STAB Earthquake. If you're running it to gain priority, that's one thing, but you might sa well give that job up to someone more able.

RegalStar · Jul 24th, 2009, 12:30:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Xia

I also don't see why people keep running Ice Shard on Donphan. me and Seven Deadly Sins were talking, and a 4x Ice Shard is only marginally stronger than a STAB Earthquake. If you're running it to gain priority, that's one thing, but you might sa well give that job up to someone more able.

You're forgetting that any combination of types that are 4x weak to ice aside from dragon/ground take reduced damage from EQ in some way.

master314 · Jul 26th, 2009, 8:36:06 AM

wow the tiers are accurate - all 49 OUs are in the top 49. Only at number 50 do you see a UU.

master314 · Jul 26th, 2009, 8:40:27 AM

oh yeah and flygon, the only OU dragon/ground, has Levitate

Annoying Old Party Man · Jul 26th, 2009, 2:36:28 PM

thanks a lot doug. I think that herracross will be uu in a short while. I dont really think dugtrio will be uu for long though. Donphan will be a great counter to a lot of pokemon and will be in the top 10 uu

Staraptor Call · Jul 26th, 2009, 4:41:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat master314

wow the tiers are accurate - all 49 OUs are in the top 49. Only at number 50 do you see a UU.

I don't think you understand how the tiering works. Tiering is based on usage, so Pokemon used less than a certain amount are considered UU. Except for ban lists, tiering isn't based on how good a Pokemon is, just how much it's used.

Toaster · Jul 27th, 2009, 7:17:54 AM

im suprised of how much hitmontop cilmbed in UU ,seems that absol took honckrows place

thanks for the stats doug

pkmn1000 · Jul 27th, 2009, 7:24:54 PM

Why do people say roserade is so powerfull. Without hp fire registeel and regice totally pwn it. Also without hp rock/ice altaria/moltres pwn it so how is it #1?

blasphemy1 · Jul 27th, 2009, 8:04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat pkmn1000

Why do people say roserade is so powerfull. Without hp fire registeel and regice totally pwn it. Also without hp rock/ice altaria/moltres pwn it so how is it #1?

It can make a nice switch into bulky waters, set up Toxic Spikes or Spikes, and for attacking sets, no counter is safe because of Sleep Powder. Once Registeel/ice are sleeping, HP Rock does fine(against Altaria/Moltres).

Annoying Old Party Man · Jul 27th, 2009, 9:42:40 PM

wow uxie is the #1 uu lead. That sure is a suprise.

A.P. · Jul 27th, 2009, 11:21:24 PM

Anyways, the recent voting has proven Honchkrow to narrowly stay UU - 9-8-1

Both Crobat and Shaymin are moving up to BL, with a clear majority (although Crobat is missing one vote).

Peachfuzz · Jul 28th, 2009, 7:58:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat pkmn1000

Why do people say roserade is so powerfull. Without hp fire registeel and regice totally pwn it. Also without hp rock/ice altaria/moltres pwn it so how is it #1?

It's Roserades versatility that allows it to fit on many different types of teams. On any team, it's ability to come in on bulky waters is excellent. For stall teams, it can set up Spikes/Toxic Spikes on plenty of things, including Chansey. On offensive teams, the Life Orb set brings a lot of firepower and the Scarf set brings some revenge killing potential. And the choice of Hidden Power is not hard, it's Sludge Bombs are powerful enough to knock off plenty of health from Altaria and Moltres anyway.

To sum up the tier changes, Crobat, Shaymin, and Umbreon are leaving, Dugtrio and Donphan are coming down, and Honchkrow is staying.

I have a feeling the tier will become a bit more offensive. Another potent wallbreaker is coming back to put dents in stall. Dugtrio will be useful for taking out key parts of stall teams.

Donphan actually adds quite a bit to stall teams, countering the Swords Dance/Taunt Drapion that stall teams had trouble with. Donphan counters it better than Steelix and Registeel ever did. A Rapid Spinner that can hit ghosts with a 100 base power dark attack off of 120 base attack will be great for both stall and offensive teams. I have a feeling many stall matches will be about taking out the opponent's ghost to keep down the entry hazards. Donphan also seems like an awesome counter to Honchkrow, taking all kinds of physical attacks and shooting back Ice Shards.

MapleSandwich · Aug 1st, 2009, 2:59:58 AM

I'm actually curious as to what the 14 Pokemon that didn't get used on the OU ladder this month were. (483 - the 469 that did get used = 14).

Ritsi_Time · Aug 1st, 2009, 7:04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat MapleSandwich

I'm actually curious as to what the 14 Pokemon that didn't get used on the OU ladder this month were. (483 - the 469 that did get used = 14).

Probably the ones that didn't receive any usage at all.

whistle · Aug 1st, 2009, 7:56:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat MapleSandwich

I'm actually curious as to what the 14 Pokemon that didn't get used on the OU ladder this month were. (483 - the 469 that did get used = 14).

No I did not do this by making a checklist of known Pokemon and comparing it to the list of what was used in OU.

Baltoy
Barboach
Budew
Burmy
Finneon
Goldeen
Gulpin
Horsea
Mareep
Nidoran-f
Nincada
Shinx
Slugma
Snubbull

Plus all the Pokemon in the Uber tier.

This made me think of playing through DPPt and using some of these as HM slaves lol

ultimifier · Aug 3rd, 2009, 12:54:53 AM

im wondering to see how much my team will impace starmie usage in the uber tier this month...

he had 1 lead usage and 103 usages the entire month. lets see this puppy grow into a top 10 uber lead

lordkira · Aug 3rd, 2009, 10:38:03 AM

I am curious as to how the suspects voting went and this months usage on scizor will be. XD

Jul 26th, 2009, 8:36:06 AM	#105
master314 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 21	wow the tiers are accurate - all 49 OUs are in the top 49. Only at number 50 do you see a UU. __________________ -master314 (yes, I know, most boring sig ever)

Jul 26th, 2009, 8:40:27 AM	#106
master314 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 21	oh yeah and flygon, the only OU dragon/ground, has Levitate __________________ -master314 (yes, I know, most boring sig ever)

Jul 27th, 2009, 11:21:24 PM	#113
A.P. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 731 In my house - when I'm not somewhere else.	Anyways, the recent voting has proven Honchkrow to narrowly stay UU - 9-8-1 Both Crobat and Shaymin are moving up to BL, with a clear majority (although Crobat is missing one vote). __________________ Retired from Pokémon.

Jul 23rd, 2009, 11:45:20 PM	#103
Xia I am your big brother Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,464	I also don't see why people keep running Ice Shard on Donphan. me and Seven Deadly Sins were talking, and a 4x Ice Shard is only marginally stronger than a STAB Earthquake. If you're running it to gain priority, that's one thing, but you might sa well give that job up to someone more able.

Jul 26th, 2009, 2:36:28 PM	#107
Annoying Old Party Man Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,037	thanks a lot doug. I think that herracross will be uu in a short while. I dont really think dugtrio will be uu for long though. Donphan will be a great counter to a lot of pokemon and will be in the top 10 uu

Jul 27th, 2009, 7:17:54 AM	#109
Toaster Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 522 ...	im suprised of how much hitmontop cilmbed in UU ,seems that absol took honckrows place thanks for the stats doug

Jul 27th, 2009, 9:42:40 PM	#112
Annoying Old Party Man Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,037	wow uxie is the #1 uu lead. That sure is a suprise.

Aug 3rd, 2009, 12:54:53 AM	#118
ultimifier Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,095 toronto, canada	im wondering to see how much my team will impace starmie usage in the uber tier this month... he had 1 lead usage and 103 usages the entire month. lets see this puppy grow into a top 10 uber lead

Aug 3rd, 2009, 10:38:03 AM	#119
lordkira Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 994 won't	I am curious as to how the suspects voting went and this months usage on scizor will be. XD