Strategy Analysis: Choice Banders - Page 3

Aeroblacktyl · Jan 1st, 2006, 12:24:40 AM

Btw, Carl and I were the first people to ever use CBteams, except too many of y'all are newbs and only started coming on NB the past 4-5 months. Back on IRC, while it was popular to battle on the bots, me and Carl basically came out with a team layout that had 3 cb'ers, Magneton, Vaporeon and another random poke, yet we never get any credict, sheesh. Also back on the bots, I used a CBArmaldo in standard play, in the slot of Donphan, and well, with the same attack as CBCross/Adamant, it hurtted a lot of shit.

X-Act · Apr 10th, 2006, 10:15:37 AM

Crobat is a good CBer in BL as well.

chaos952 · Apr 14th, 2006, 11:01:00 PM

^ Just bumped a 3-month old thread...

Anyways, CBArmaldo is awesome. Rock Slide 3HKOs Skarmory, and HP Bug hurts.

david stone · Apr 15th, 2006, 2:11:08 AM

Double-Edge as an option in the fourth slot of Salamence. On Heracross, I see Focus Punch as more required, and Brick Break the optional move.

**gene** · Apr 16th, 2006, 1:06:42 PM

Maybe add a section on choice banders in ubers: on metagross say that you need to add a lot of hp and sdef, groudon is a nice choice bander in ubers as is rayquaza and even shedinja

***Jibaku**** · Apr 16th, 2006, 5:51:56 PM

I would like to see Fury Swipes as an option on Slaking provided you have Magneton. Iron Tail is never a bad idea on Gligar, to hit Solrock switch-ins.

Uber Banders
Rayquaza @ Choice Band
Trait: Air Lock
EVs: 252 HP / 224 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Extremespeed
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide
This thing is quite monstrous. Guaranteed to survive a non-CH max SA HP Ice from an Exeggutor, and 2 Max Adamant CBRayquaza Extremespeeds, while also dishing out a massive amount of damage

Groudon @ Choice Band
Trait: Drought
EVs: 48 HP / 236 Atk / 224 SDef
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide
- Overheat/Body Slam
without Jolly, Groudon isn't that fast, so speed won't really be that useful on it. Guaranteed to survive a Modest max SA Soul Dew Latios Ice Beam. Although 220 SDef/ 240 Atk would have worked, it is a sad truth that HP Bug lowers your SDef DV by 1.

Deoxys-F @ Choice Band
Trait: Pressure
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef
- Extremespeed
- Rock Slide
- Shadow Ball
- Superpower
OK, Psycho boost isn't here because many stuff resists it.

Ho-oh @ Choice Band
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 24 HP / 232 Atk / 252 SDef
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Fire
- Earthquake
Ok, with the spread, it survives a 399 SAtk Kyogre's Surf, and if you have caught it on the switch with HP Fly/EQ, then you can get rid of it before it wrecks stuff.

Shedinja @ Choice Band
Trait: Wonder Guard
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Whatever
- Shadow Ball
- Silver Wind
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Baton Pass/Toxic/Aerial Ace
Sheddy. Not Uber, but whatever. Toxic can catch stuff offguard, and Aerial Ace is complete filler. BP is comedy. HP Rock can catch Ho-Oh, and Shadow Ball/Silver Wind is STAB

Lugia @ Choice Band
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aeroblast
- Earthquake
- Shadow Ball
- Recover/Hidden Power [Rock](EVs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spd) /Ancientpower/Light Screen
This guy is dangerous. Last slot is up to you, whether you want a staying CBer or supporter/CB combo or hit Ho-Oh.

ToP · Apr 16th, 2006, 6:37:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Quaza-A

Groudon @ Leftovers

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Originally Posted by Fat Quaza-A

Lugia @ Leftovers

**gene** · Apr 16th, 2006, 7:50:35 PM

ghost is really imo better as it hits a common lugia switch-in.

also trying to survive (attack) is dumb you will not always be at 100% :/

***Jibaku**** · Apr 16th, 2006, 9:15:00 PM

Error fixed
But also, its never bad to try to survive a move (Ho-oh can get in on CB EQs to keep it at 100% via prediction, Groudon can go against Latios if they are switched in at the same time)

david stone · Apr 17th, 2006, 6:30:26 PM

That is especially the case for starter Groudon (for sunny teams), to counter starter Latios.

HP Ghost fails to OHKO Exeggutor.

Flub · Apr 17th, 2006, 8:30:12 PM

You forgot CB regirock.

Regirock @ Choice Band
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 56 Def / 200 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Rock Slide
- Rollout/Focus Punch

I like rollout a lot if you find yourself switching into a snorelax or something. With increasing attack, even high-defense pokemon feel the heat. 5th turn rollout kills skarmory.

BB64 · Apr 17th, 2006, 9:35:33 PM

Got off my ass and added uber banders; I also added Doom Desire on Jirachi since I was impressed by Obi's article on DD/FS. Maybe I'll add CBrock and CBArmaldo later, but seriously, there are better pseudo-OU/BL Banders and neither are weird Choice Banders like Jirachi/Claydol.

**gene** · Apr 17th, 2006, 10:11:52 PM

Eggy isn't that common anymore and Lugia is a very common switch in for Groudon, HP bug will do about 25% while HP ghost will hit it for 50%, so imo it is more useful right now and deserves to be added as an option at least.

***Jibaku**** · Apr 21st, 2006, 4:32:28 PM

Just predict Lugia switch-ins and use Rock Slide instead

Raikou21 · Apr 21st, 2006, 4:39:27 PM

Needs more mention of Gyarados in unusual CBanders.

Yosuke · Jun 12th, 2006, 10:41:11 PM

Gyarados doesn't sound unusual at all personally. Good attack and good stats all around.

Steeler · Jun 12th, 2006, 10:52:40 PM

Flygon should be included in the analysis.

Akatsuki_Itachi · Jun 24th, 2006, 3:26:36 PM

Isn't Arcanine a choice bander aswell?

Arcanine (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 106 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Extremespeed
- Overheat
- Aerial Ace

mmartin · Jun 24th, 2006, 3:45:44 PM

No CB Hitmonlee in UU? It is amazingly powerful, OHKOs a lot.

Hitmonlee
@Choice Band
- Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake/HP Ghost/Mach Punch/Focus Punch
- Earthquake/HP Ghost/Mach Punch
Though HP Ghost doesn't really do much in UU.

***Jibaku**** · Jun 24th, 2006, 3:57:48 PM

You can add alternate Choice Banding Rayquaza EVs if you want
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spd
Use this if you have a Kyogre on your team. Kyogre can stop Eggy without suffering a lot of damage, letting Rayquaza sweep without having to switch it into Eggy's HP Ice. Outspeeds max Speed Adamant Groudon and Kyogre, although most max Speeds are at Jolly.

thecrazylazyguy · Jul 6th, 2006, 3:24:43 PM

Swampert deserves a mention 525 attack with this spread with the ability to still counter Salamence and Ttar. Hydropump can go over Focus punch or Hpbug. Really suprises celebis who try to leech seed on the first turn. Can survive most HPgrasses too. This is my favorite CBer and I think it should get more use.
Swampert (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 192 Atk / 64 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Rock Slide

Apr 10th, 2006, 10:15:37 AM	#52
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,679 Malta	Crobat is a good CBer in BL as well. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

Apr 15th, 2006, 2:11:08 AM	#54
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	Double-Edge as an option in the fourth slot of Salamence. On Heracross, I see Focus Punch as more required, and Brick Break the optional move. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Apr 16th, 2006, 1:06:42 PM	#55
gene GENE Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,715 Buffalo, NY	Maybe add a section on choice banders in ubers: on metagross say that you need to add a lot of hp and sdef, groudon is a nice choice bander in ubers as is rayquaza and even shedinja __________________ death to evan

Apr 16th, 2006, 5:51:56 PM	#56
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,910 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	I would like to see Fury Swipes as an option on Slaking provided you have Magneton. Iron Tail is never a bad idea on Gligar, to hit Solrock switch-ins. Uber Banders Rayquaza @ Choice Band Trait: Air Lock EVs: 252 HP / 224 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Extremespeed - Hidden Power [Bug] - Rock Slide This thing is quite monstrous. Guaranteed to survive a non-CH max SA HP Ice from an Exeggutor, and 2 Max Adamant CBRayquaza Extremespeeds, while also dishing out a massive amount of damage Groudon @ Choice Band Trait: Drought EVs: 48 HP / 236 Atk / 224 SDef - Earthquake - Hidden Power [Bug] - Rock Slide - Overheat/Body Slam without Jolly, Groudon isn't that fast, so speed won't really be that useful on it. Guaranteed to survive a Modest max SA Soul Dew Latios Ice Beam. Although 220 SDef/ 240 Atk would have worked, it is a sad truth that HP Bug lowers your SDef DV by 1. Deoxys-F @ Choice Band Trait: Pressure Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 SDef - Extremespeed - Rock Slide - Shadow Ball - Superpower OK, Psycho boost isn't here because many stuff resists it. Ho-oh @ Choice Band Trait: Pressure EVs: 24 HP / 232 Atk / 252 SDef Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def) - Hidden Power [Flying] - Shadow Ball - Sacred Fire - Earthquake Ok, with the spread, it survives a 399 SAtk Kyogre's Surf, and if you have caught it on the switch with HP Fly/EQ, then you can get rid of it before it wrecks stuff. Shedinja @ Choice Band Trait: Wonder Guard Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 6 Whatever - Shadow Ball - Silver Wind - Hidden Power [Rock] - Baton Pass/Toxic/Aerial Ace Sheddy. Not Uber, but whatever. Toxic can catch stuff offguard, and Aerial Ace is complete filler. BP is comedy. HP Rock can catch Ho-Oh, and Shadow Ball/Silver Wind is STAB Lugia @ Choice Band Trait: Pressure EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 204 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Aeroblast - Earthquake - Shadow Ball - Recover/Hidden Power [Rock](EVs: 48 HP / 252 Atk / 208 Spd) /Ancientpower/Light Screen This guy is dangerous. Last slot is up to you, whether you want a staying CBer or supporter/CB combo or hit Ho-Oh. __________________ Last edited by Jibaku; Apr 16th, 2006 at 9:14:46 PM.

Apr 16th, 2006, 7:50:35 PM	#58
gene GENE Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,715 Buffalo, NY	ghost is really imo better as it hits a common lugia switch-in. also trying to survive (attack) is dumb you will not always be at 100% :/ __________________ death to evan

Jan 1st, 2006, 12:24:40 AM	#51
Aeroblacktyl The pizza doesn't scream in the oven! LOL! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,334	Btw, Carl and I were the first people to ever use CBteams, except too many of y'all are newbs and only started coming on NB the past 4-5 months. Back on IRC, while it was popular to battle on the bots, me and Carl basically came out with a team layout that had 3 cb'ers, Magneton, Vaporeon and another random poke, yet we never get any credict, sheesh. Also back on the bots, I used a CBArmaldo in standard play, in the slot of Donphan, and well, with the same attack as CBCross/Adamant, it hurtted a lot of shit.

Apr 14th, 2006, 11:01:00 PM	#53
chaos952 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 304 Maryland	^ Just bumped a 3-month old thread... Anyways, CBArmaldo is awesome. Rock Slide 3HKOs Skarmory, and HP Bug hurts.

Apr 16th, 2006, 9:15:00 PM	#59
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,910 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	Error fixed But also, its never bad to try to survive a move (Ho-oh can get in on CB EQs to keep it at 100% via prediction, Groudon can go against Latios if they are switched in at the same time) __________________ Last edited by Jibaku; Apr 16th, 2006 at 9:18:20 PM.

Apr 17th, 2006, 6:30:26 PM	#60
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	That is especially the case for starter Groudon (for sunny teams), to counter starter Latios. HP Ghost fails to OHKO Exeggutor. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Apr 17th, 2006, 8:30:12 PM	#61
Flub Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 618 Bloomington, IN	You forgot CB regirock. Regirock @ Choice Band Trait: Clear Body EVs: 252 Atk / 56 Def / 200 SDef Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Explosion - Rock Slide - Rollout/Focus Punch I like rollout a lot if you find yourself switching into a snorelax or something. With increasing attack, even high-defense pokemon feel the heat. 5th turn rollout kills skarmory. __________________ Lag is pretty bad in real life. Just look at Jesus. When he died, it took him three days to respawn.

Apr 17th, 2006, 9:35:33 PM	#62
BB64 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 130	Got off my ass and added uber banders; I also added Doom Desire on Jirachi since I was impressed by Obi's article on DD/FS. Maybe I'll add CBrock and CBArmaldo later, but seriously, there are better pseudo-OU/BL Banders and neither are weird Choice Banders like Jirachi/Claydol. __________________ Begin Turn #12 Alakazam used Fire Punch! (10% damage) It's not very effective... --------------------------------- Tyranitar used Sandstorm! But it failed! --------------------------------- Last edited by BB64; Apr 17th, 2006 at 9:37:52 PM.

Apr 17th, 2006, 10:11:52 PM	#63
gene GENE Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 2,715 Buffalo, NY	Eggy isn't that common anymore and Lugia is a very common switch in for Groudon, HP bug will do about 25% while HP ghost will hit it for 50%, so imo it is more useful right now and deserves to be added as an option at least. __________________ death to evan

Apr 21st, 2006, 4:32:28 PM	#64
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,910 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	Just predict Lugia switch-ins and use Rock Slide instead __________________

Apr 21st, 2006, 4:39:27 PM	#65
Raikou21 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 625 Abbotsford, BC, Canada	Needs more mention of Gyarados in unusual CBanders. __________________ http://scorponok.rubeus.org/archives/sesamestreet.jpg Watch out! Elmo's got a gun!

Jun 12th, 2006, 10:41:11 PM	#66
Yosuke Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 219	Gyarados doesn't sound unusual at all personally. Good attack and good stats all around. __________________ "The peace plan for Lebanon calls for 15,000 peacekeepers led by a sizable French contingent. Turns out in French, sizable tranlsates as 200 guys in rubber dinghies. It's no great loss. Honestly, the difference between 200 French troops and 15,000 French troops is just fewer French prisoners." Stephan Colbert http://www.orlyowl.com/combo.gif

Jun 12th, 2006, 10:52:40 PM	#67
Steeler Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,388 >:	Flygon should be included in the analysis. __________________ Brock is the biggest troll ever.

Jun 24th, 2006, 3:26:36 PM	#68
Akatsuki_Itachi Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2 Calexico, CA	Isn't Arcanine a choice bander aswell? Arcanine (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Intimidate EVs: 106 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spd Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef) - Hidden Power [Fighting] - Extremespeed - Overheat - Aerial Ace __________________ "If you want to kill me, despise me, hate me, and live a loathsome life... Run away, run away, and cling to life. And then some day, when you have the same eyes as I do, come before me..." Last edited by Akatsuki_Itachi; Jun 24th, 2006 at 4:56:00 PM.

Jun 24th, 2006, 3:45:44 PM	#69
mmartin Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 269	No CB Hitmonlee in UU? It is amazingly powerful, OHKOs a lot. Hitmonlee @Choice Band - Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break - Rock Slide - Earthquake/HP Ghost/Mach Punch/Focus Punch - Earthquake/HP Ghost/Mach Punch Though HP Ghost doesn't really do much in UU.

Jun 24th, 2006, 3:57:48 PM	#70
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,910 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	You can add alternate Choice Banding Rayquaza EVs if you want EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spd Use this if you have a Kyogre on your team. Kyogre can stop Eggy without suffering a lot of damage, letting Rayquaza sweep without having to switch it into Eggy's HP Ice. Outspeeds max Speed Adamant Groudon and Kyogre, although most max Speeds are at Jolly. __________________

Jul 6th, 2006, 3:24:43 PM	#71
thecrazylazyguy Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 630 Chicago	Swampert deserves a mention 525 attack with this spread with the ability to still counter Salamence and Ttar. Hydropump can go over Focus punch or Hpbug. Really suprises celebis who try to leech seed on the first turn. Can survive most HPgrasses too. This is my favorite CBer and I think it should get more use. Swampert (F) @ Choice Band Trait: Torrent EVs: 252 HP / 192 Atk / 64 Def Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Earthquake - Focus Punch - Hidden Power [Bug] - Rock Slide