Ask A Little Question, Get A Little Answer (Mark 1) - Page 2

supermarth64 · Sep 28th, 2009, 12:47:42 PM

Give a berry to Shuckle. After a while, it'll turn it into Berry Juice.

tripe · Sep 28th, 2009, 12:58:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Zowayix

How does one obtain the item Berry Juice?

You give an oran berry to Shuckle, and he'll make it I believe.

Mailman · Sep 28th, 2009, 8:27:28 PM

I'm not planing on writing one but were do we post Little Cup warstories?

Stylish Interval · Sep 28th, 2009, 8:36:15 PM

What is a good way to get into Little Cup? I've been looking to get into it, and plan on using the "Common Team" to start out, but I can't find anyone on the unrated thing. So without being able to play, if I couldn't find anyone, do I need to just wait until Shoddy Battle 2?

**Elevator Music** · Sep 28th, 2009, 8:41:43 PM

Doug's Create-A-Pokemon Server has a Little Cup ladder, and I think TU may as well. There are generally people ready to LC battle on Doug's whenever I'm on.

As for the LC Warstories, I'm getting conflicting responses on IRC, but personally I would post one in the main Stark...

Dracoyoshi8 · Sep 28th, 2009, 8:42:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat PokeN3rd_Pwnz0r

What is a good way to get into Little Cup? I've been looking to get into it, and plan on using the "Common Team" to start out, but I can't find anyone on the unrated thing. So without being able to play, if I couldn't find anyone, do I need to just wait until Shoddy Battle 2?

Typically, you can ask in the chat if you want to play Unrated Little Cup. Also, if you are on SU, try going to CAP, since a majority of LC players are there.

edit: EM beat me by 26 seconds!

Stylish Interval · Sep 28th, 2009, 8:49:35 PM

Thanks guys. I'll be spending tons of time polishing up my LC game now.

@Elevator Music: I think Warstories would be great to have. They would show me and a bunch of new people all about LC and how to play well. It may even convert a few players into playing LC, after seeing how cool it is.

little gk · Sep 28th, 2009, 9:07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat mailman

I'm not planing on writing one but were do we post Little Cup warstories?

In this forum, the Little Cup forum to be more exact.

d2m · Sep 29th, 2009, 11:38:24 PM

I fail at reading 3 posts up.

Regardless, is CAP down? I'm trying to connect right now and it's not wanting to let me in.

**Seven Deadly Sins** · Sep 29th, 2009, 11:45:55 PM

CAP's been down for the last 2 days, probably because Doug is out of town on a business trip.

little gk · Sep 29th, 2009, 11:47:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat d2m

I fail at reading 3 posts up.

Regardless, is CAP down? I'm trying to connect right now and it's not wanting to let me in.

Yes, the CaP server is down. In the meantime you can play unrated or on the TeamUber and Pokemonexperte servers, which both have Little Cup ladders.

d2m · Sep 30th, 2009, 12:11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat GoldenKnight14

Yes, the CaP server is down. In the meantime you can play unrated or on the TeamUber and Pokemonexperte servers, which both have Little Cup ladders.

I think I was in the middle of a match with you and TeamUber went down too. What's with the servers tonight?

Dubulous · Sep 30th, 2009, 2:50:53 PM

SDS and I were talking about this yesterday, but I would appreciate some confirmation...

Say Drifloon is holding Berry Juice and gets knocked down to 50%. It consumes the Juice and goes back to 100%, losing it's Burden and doubling it's speed. It gets knocked back down to 50% (Phanpy used Ice Shard) and Drifloon uses Recycle. Drifloon consumes the Juice again, going back up to full health. Does Drifloon's speed double again?

Matthew · Sep 30th, 2009, 6:08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dubulous

SDS and I were talking about this yesterday, but I would appreciate some confirmation...

Say Drifloon is holding Berry Juice and gets knocked down to 50%. It consumes the Juice and goes back to 100%, losing it's Burden and doubling it's speed. It gets knocked back down to 50% (Phanpy used Ice Shard) and Drifloon uses Recycle. Drifloon consumes the Juice again, going back up to full health. Does Drifloon's speed double again?

As it is losing its item again, yes, it will receive a Speed boost after Recycling Berry Juice and then consuming it again.

**Seven Deadly Sins** · Sep 30th, 2009, 8:27:12 PM

In that case, subsequent question:

Will Drifloon lose its speed boost when it regains its Berry Juice?

Also, your answer applies to Shoddy Battle. Can you confirm that is how it works in Platinum or HGSS?

Matthew · Sep 30th, 2009, 9:43:35 PM

RB-Golbat has told me that if it Recycles its item it will not keep its speed boost.

pkmn1000 · Oct 1st, 2009, 6:25:22 PM

Is onix viable as a physical wall in LC?

eric the espeon · Oct 1st, 2009, 6:34:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat pkmn1000

Is onix viable as a physical wall in LC?

Onix is not exactly a wall in that it can hit back hard enough with powerful and near unresisted dual STAB despite its low attack, and even with that stunning base 160 Def it can be worn down by neutral hits with no viable recovery. However Onix can switch into quite a few physical attackers comfortably, and check many of them (an Onix survived my Machop's Dynamicpunch today, only took ~87%, but died to confusion damage). In LC you don't really look for general "special/physical walls" outside of maybe Munchlax (and even then, barely), because there is no Skarmory or Blissey equivilent that can switch into a vast majory of sweepers for their type, inspead you find Pokemon that are effective against specific physical or special threats or groups of them.

Heysup · Oct 1st, 2009, 9:11:26 PM

Similar to OU, Rock/Ground isn't an effective defensive combination because most of the Physical sweepers are Fighting, Water, or Ground typed, meaning you will likely still get OHKOed. You're better off using Duskull, Phanpy, or Gligar, as physical walls.

**Seven Deadly Sins** · Oct 1st, 2009, 9:52:10 PM

Onix was good in early LC, when Murkrow was available, as it was possibly the only real "counter" to the devastating SubKrow, but since then it's kinda fallen out of use. Also, without recovery, it really can't take hits all that reliably over time.

Also, for what it's worth, X-Act's stats thread shows that Pokemon with high Defense compared to the opponent's Attack fare better in OU than they do in LC., which is a significant part of the equation. Onix's mediocre HP hurts it, as well as the also-mediocre base 45 Attack. It's largely outclassed by Rhyhorn (80/85/95 physical stats are far more solid than 30/45/160 stats) and Geodude (40/80/100, but Sucker Punch access makes up for low speed).

MrIndigo · Oct 2nd, 2009, 7:47:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Gen. Empoleon

RB-Golbat has told me that if it Recycles its item it will not keep its speed boost.

This seems strange; when Drifblim uses Trick, it gets a speed boost from Unburden that it keeps despite having an item equipped.

Fuzznip · Oct 2nd, 2009, 9:59:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat MrIndigo

This seems strange; when Drifblim uses Trick, it gets a speed boost from Unburden that it keeps despite having an item equipped.

Well, if you think about, Drifloon(blim) does actually lose its item; but at the end of the process, it gets one back. For example:

Drifloon uses Trick.
Item has been lost.
Unburden activates.
Item has been gained.
Drifloon keeps the Speed boost.

Tortferngatr · Oct 13th, 2009, 8:37:21 PM

Explain how the box trick leads to normal EV cap for Little Cup. Last I checked, you aren't allowed to use vitamins after 100 EVs in a stat...

lati0s · Oct 13th, 2009, 9:13:42 PM

by using experience shares and power items you can get any EV spread before a pokemon grows to level 6, sometimes this will be after it has grown to level 5 so you will need to use the box trick

**Seven Deadly Sins** · Oct 14th, 2009, 12:18:52 AM

On LCF, Eric proved that it was possible to get a full Attack and Special Defense (both requiring 252 EVs to max) spread on a Shuppet, which requires the least amount of EXP to level up, and thus any spread is possible. Granted, it may be difficult (needing to fight extremely low level stuff, using lots of EXP Share, catching Pokerus, using power items, etc), but it is absolutely possible to get 510 EVs on absolutely any Pokemon in LC. The Box Trick simply recalculates stats.

I'm assuming this is in the context of Farceus, which cannot gain more than 100 EVs in any stat. However, this is because Arceus cannot gain EXP, and thus cannot gain EVs outside of Vitamins. Pokemon in LC are not hampered in such a way, and can use the Box Trick to recalculate their stats.

Sep 28th, 2009, 8:41:43 PM	#30
Elevator Music there is actually no underscore in my name Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,484	Doug's Create-A-Pokemon Server has a Little Cup ladder, and I think TU may as well. There are generally people ready to LC battle on Doug's whenever I'm on. As for the LC Warstories, I'm getting conflicting responses on IRC, but personally I would post one in the main Stark... __________________

Sep 29th, 2009, 11:38:24 PM	#34
d2m Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 753	I fail at reading 3 posts up. Regardless, is CAP down? I'm trying to connect right now and it's not wanting to let me in. Last edited by d2m; Sep 29th, 2009 at 11:43:55 PM.

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Seven Deadly Sins :D Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,175	CAP's been down for the last 2 days, probably because Doug is out of town on a business trip. __________________

Sep 30th, 2009, 2:50:53 PM	#38
Dubulous raidical Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,109 Life on the outside ain't what it used to be.	SDS and I were talking about this yesterday, but I would appreciate some confirmation... Say Drifloon is holding Berry Juice and gets knocked down to 50%. It consumes the Juice and goes back to 100%, losing it's Burden and doubling it's speed. It gets knocked back down to 50% (Phanpy used Ice Shard) and Drifloon uses Recycle. Drifloon consumes the Juice again, going back up to full health. Does Drifloon's speed double again? __________________ And today will be better than yesterday.

Sep 30th, 2009, 8:27:12 PM	#40
Seven Deadly Sins :D Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,175	In that case, subsequent question: Will Drifloon lose its speed boost when it regains its Berry Juice? Also, your answer applies to Shoddy Battle. Can you confirm that is how it works in Platinum or HGSS? __________________

Sep 28th, 2009, 8:27:28 PM	#28
Mailman Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 768	I'm not planing on writing one but were do we post Little Cup warstories?

Sep 28th, 2009, 8:36:15 PM	#29
Stylish Interval Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 909 Kentucky	What is a good way to get into Little Cup? I've been looking to get into it, and plan on using the "Common Team" to start out, but I can't find anyone on the unrated thing. So without being able to play, if I couldn't find anyone, do I need to just wait until Shoddy Battle 2?

Sep 28th, 2009, 8:49:35 PM	#32
Stylish Interval Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 909 Kentucky	Thanks guys. I'll be spending tons of time polishing up my LC game now. @Elevator Music: I think Warstories would be great to have. They would show me and a bunch of new people all about LC and how to play well. It may even convert a few players into playing LC, after seeing how cool it is.

Sep 30th, 2009, 9:43:35 PM	#41
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Oct 1st, 2009, 9:11:26 PM	#44
Heysup GO JETS GO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,090 CanaJew	Similar to OU, Rock/Ground isn't an effective defensive combination because most of the Physical sweepers are Fighting, Water, or Ground typed, meaning you will likely still get OHKOed. You're better off using Duskull, Phanpy, or Gligar, as physical walls. __________________ f u, v

Oct 1st, 2009, 9:52:10 PM	#45
Seven Deadly Sins :D Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,175	Onix was good in early LC, when Murkrow was available, as it was possibly the only real "counter" to the devastating SubKrow, but since then it's kinda fallen out of use. Also, without recovery, it really can't take hits all that reliably over time. Also, for what it's worth, X-Act's stats thread shows that Pokemon with high Defense compared to the opponent's Attack fare better in OU than they do in LC., which is a significant part of the equation. Onix's mediocre HP hurts it, as well as the also-mediocre base 45 Attack. It's largely outclassed by Rhyhorn (80/85/95 physical stats are far more solid than 30/45/160 stats) and Geodude (40/80/100, but Sucker Punch access makes up for low speed). __________________

Oct 13th, 2009, 8:37:21 PM	#48
Tortferngatr Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,545 United States of America	Explain how the box trick leads to normal EV cap for Little Cup. Last I checked, you aren't allowed to use vitamins after 100 EVs in a stat... __________________ Cookie's law of a forum: as a thread gets longer, the probability of it being derailed by a religion argument approaches 1 If only the max avatar filesize was 90K... \|CAPASB stuff: My CAPASB Team~My reffing profile \|

Oct 13th, 2009, 9:13:42 PM	#49
lati0s Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,492	by using experience shares and power items you can get any EV spread before a pokemon grows to level 6, sometimes this will be after it has grown to level 5 so you will need to use the box trick __________________ Formerly latios315

Oct 14th, 2009, 12:18:52 AM	#50
Seven Deadly Sins :D Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,175	On LCF, Eric proved that it was possible to get a full Attack and Special Defense (both requiring 252 EVs to max) spread on a Shuppet, which requires the least amount of EXP to level up, and thus any spread is possible. Granted, it may be difficult (needing to fight extremely low level stuff, using lots of EXP Share, catching Pokerus, using power items, etc), but it is absolutely possible to get 510 EVs on absolutely any Pokemon in LC. The Box Trick simply recalculates stats. I'm assuming this is in the context of Farceus, which cannot gain more than 100 EVs in any stat. However, this is because Arceus cannot gain EXP, and thus cannot gain EVs outside of Vitamins. Pokemon in LC are not hampered in such a way, and can use the Box Trick to recalculate their stats. __________________