|Oct 28th, 2009, 4:42:46 PM||#1|
Don't cry, little one
Join Date: Mar 2008
Twin Specs - a CAP RMT
Since I already used this team extensively, and Colossoil seems to be a major hindrance to it (more of a nail in the coffin than anything), I decided to retire it. But, after all, it is the team which brought me up to the peak of the CAP leaderboard for a good number of days, so I thought that, rather than throw it in the bin, it would have been more appropriate to make a RMT out of it. Feel free to express any kind of comment and/or criticism! (what are you supposed to do in a RMT, anyway?^^)
Jirachi @ Choice Scarf
Serene Grace - Adamant nature
EVs: 84 HP/252 Atk/176 Spe
I used to employ Metagross as a lead, but I hated to get the short end of the stick against Starmie leads, which seem to be quite popular in the CAP server. However, I still needed a Steel-typed Pokémon in this slot, since, as you will see at the end of the RMT, I do not have many answers against Dragon attacks. So, my eyes finally glanced at Jirachi, and I did not get disappointed.
This lead is a good mix of bulkyness and utility, which allow me to find uses for it even later in the match. 176 Spd EVs, combined with the Scarf, grant me 418 Speed, enough to outspeed Choice Scarf Heatran. 252 Atk and Adamant nature allow Jirachi to pack quite the punch... err, head^^ and the remaining EVs are put in HP to ease a bit the switch-ins into Dragons and what not. Trick is a good opening move at times, ruining the momentum of some leads if they decide to go for Stealth Rock, but I try to keep the Scarf as long as I can for 2 reasons:
1) I need Trick to fight on an even foot against most Stall teams, and I can't allow some useless Pokémon to get it when I need to cripple something else.
2) Jirachi is a good check against a wide array of set-up sweepers. Despite Steelbeing a bad attacking type, Iron Head's 60% flinch chance allow me to weaken and even kill a lot of foes (even Steel resistant ones)
U-turn is maybe the crux of the set. It turns the table against non-Scarf Starmie leads (at least, compared to Metagross), and not only it gets a supereffective hit, but also keeps the momentum going for my team. between Jirachi and Kitsunoh (read below), U-turn allow me to hold initiative and at the same time weaken the opposition - especially when Spikes and/or Steal Rock are down.
Speaking of Stealth Rock, I rarely lay it down at the start of the match, unless I just Tricked the opposing lead. Generally, unless I desperately need them up (for example, if a Salamence is harassing me somehow), I prefer to wait later in the match, when I already throw the Choice Scarf away. Also, since my sweepers have little fear of airborne foes, Spikes are generally the priority.
To sum it up, Jirachi gets me momentum early on, absorbs Dragon-type attacks, keeps in check the oppositions, disables threatening walls and set up Stealth Rock when the time is right. An awesome lead all around.
Arghonaut @ Leftovers
Unaware - Adamant nature
EVs: 252 HP/36 Atk/220 Def
Fidgit @ Leftovers
Vital Spirit - Timid nature
EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
Kitsunoh @ Choice Scarf
Frisk - Jolly nature
EVs: 80 HP/252 Atk/176 Spe
The EVs need a little explaination. 176 Spd with a Jolly nature and Choice Scarf allow Kitsunoh to outspeed the +100 Speed group even after a speed boost, giving me the chance to revenge kill Dragon Dancers should something go wrong with Arghonaut. 252 Atk is a necessity, and 80 HP soften a bit the hits Kitsunoh is doomed to withstand. ShadowStrike is basic STAB and slays Latias and Rotom above others. U-turn is a great scouting move and allow me to control the flow of the match, and Thunderpunch and Ice Punch are here for revenge killing purposes.
Stratagem @ Choice Specs
Levitate - Timid nature
EVs: 4 Def/252 SpA/252 Spe
Latias @ Choice Specs
Levitate - Timid nature
EVs: 4 Def/252 SpA/252 Spe
So, here is the strategy: whenever I can, I bring in safely Stratagem or Latias (Levitate and three Ground weak Pokémon help a lot) and fire off some quick devastation with their impressive power, falling back to my defensive core when I need to switch out. Past the early game, I try to lay down those Spikes, detect the potential stoppers to my special sweepers and focus my atempts on disabling them. Then, I let the rape begin, plain and simple. Obviously, this team is not without its weaknesses. I will compile a threat list soon, but let me assure you in advance that Starmie and Rotom are a pain in the ass to this team, as well as Wispy Kit to a lesser extent. And a well played Blissey (i.e. with Spin support) is tough to take out without a well predicted Trick. Anyway, rate away!
|Oct 28th, 2009, 4:43:18 PM||#2|
Don't cry, little one
Join Date: Mar 2008
Threat List (black = negligible threat, yellow = moderate threat, red = serious threat)
On the defensive:
Abomasnow: Hail is a nuisance, but aside from that, Abomasnow has little business trying to come into Stratagem and Latias deadly STABs.
Arghonaut: It may slow down Stratagem, but Latias has little problems to come in and retaliate, aa long as I do not walk into Ice Punch
Blissey: You know you will have trouble with Blissey when Stratagem + Latias is your attacking duo. Of course, I have may ways to beat her (mainly entry hazard support and/or Trick) but a skilled player will definitely cause me headaches with this thing.
Bronzong: If I predict correctly I can dispatch it with little effort, but the fact that it can soak up both Paleo Wave and Dragon Pulse efficienty can become annoying at times, especially with Wish support from something like Blissey or Fidgit.
Celebi: Standard 252HP /0 SpD Bold Celebi has a hard time taking Stratagem and Latias attacks, especially with Spikes taking their toll on the switch in. It may trouble Arghonaut, though.
Cresselia: Even with those Uber defenses, Cresselia cannot take on Stratagem and Celebi as boldly as her nature of choice would suggest. The lack of reliable recovery only eases my job of taking her down. Moreover, she's also a perfect U-turn target.
Cyclohm: Defensively, Cyclohm can do little to stop me. Stratagem (just with Paleo Wave) and even Fidgit can comfortably 2HKO it, and Latias annihilates it with Dragon Pulse. A bit tough to come into it though.
Dusknoir: Lack of resistances really hurt him here. It is 2HKOed by most of Stratagem and Latias moves.
Fidgit: With proper prediction I can take him out with Surf or Earth Power, and since most Fidgit lack any attack besides Earth Power, I can abuse Levitate to my heart's content. However, the sheer amount of support Fidgit brings to the table - Hazard/Wish support and especially Rapid Spin - troubles me very often.
Forretress: Resistances may save him at times, but neutral attacks (especially Stratagem's Paleo Wave) destroy him swiftly. And Kitsunoh's neutrality to Dark and resistance to Steel help him to stop Rapid Spin attempts.
Gliscor: Gliscor's average Special Defense and neutrality to both Paleo Wave and Dragon Pulse means it cannot trouble me most times, barring unfortunate Sand Veil hax.
Gyarados: Defensive Gyarados often means Rest/Sleep Talk/Waterfall/Roar. Which means Latias bait. And Stratagem, albeit takes a serious risk coming in, cannot be stopped by this thing, thanks to that supereffective Paleo Wave.
Heatran: It can't hurt Latias effectively, and it cannot come into Stratagem safely. I never had problems with this on the defensive.
Hippowdon: Resistance to Rock is a nuisance but even if resisted, Paleo wave hurts if I have Spikes support. Obviously it has no business with Latias barring Thunderbolt.
Jirachi: Pretty much in the same boat with Bronzong. The good news are that Jirachi is vulnerable to Earth Power. The bad news are that, between the wide movepool and especially Wish, it isn't certainly a slocuh in the defensive department. Anyway, defensive variants of Jirachi are quite uncommon.
Latias: Paleo Wave is a 2HKO, and if opposing Latias carries HP Fire, mine is granted to outspeed it and proceed to the kill with Dragon Pulse. However, the fast speed combined with that vicious Dragon STAB can be annoying if it comes in after a kill.
Nidoqueen: "Why Nidoqueen?" you may ask? Well, I encountered it quite a few times on CAP, especially on Hail teams, so I thought it deserved mention. Luckily, despite the Rock resistance, most Nidoqueen specialize (like pretty much everything else out there) on physical Defense, so it can't withstand for too long even the resisted Paleo Wave. Against Latias' Surf and Dragon Pulse she obviously falters.
Porygon2: An easy foe to face. Lack of resistances play against him despite reliable recovery. Not difficult to 2HKO, especially with hazard support.
Pyroak: Stratagem outright destroys it with Paleo Wave. Latias takes little from its moves and 2HKOes with Dragon Pulse most times.
Revenankh: It may try to soak up a couple hits, especially from Stratagem, but it can't do a lot after as long as I have Arghonaut and/or Fidgit on my side. Kitsunoh also comes in handy.
Rotom-A: Most of them are physically defensive, meaning that they can't come in without risk a 2HKO from Stratagem and Latias STABs. But since I lack a reliable switch in to it, I may incur into casualties if it comes in after a kill.
Skarmory: Paleo Wave and Flamethrower spell instant doom for the steel bird, and even in Latias case, the only move it can really hope to switch into safely (somehow) is Dragon Pulse.
Snorlax: Too light compared to Blissey. The fact that most of them (barring Curse variants which I handle differently) do not invest a lot into Special Defense only helps me further. Stratagem and Latias high powered STABs are too much for him when you take into account even just Stealth Rock or a layer of Spikes.
Suicune: Suicune suffers pretty much the same problem of a lot of other Pokémon out there: since it is almost forced to run a full physically defensive EV spread, it tastes a 2HKO from both of my sweepers. And no, I'm not talking about Energy Ball and Thunderbolt. I'm talking about Paleo Wave and Dragon Pulse.
Swampert: Trickier than Suicune thanks to the Rock resistance and Electric immunity, but the lack of Rest (on most of them) mean that I just have to weaken him on the switch ins.
Tentacruel: Despite that high Special Defense, lack of reliable recovery helps me wear him down in the long run. Besides, I don't mind Toxic Spikes that much, since only Arghonaut is vulnerable to it and I have Fidgit to remove them.
Vaporeon: What I said above for Suicune holds true for Vaporeon too.
Walrein: Tough to take down in the Hail with Latias, but that's why I have Stratagem. If it gets cocky about Substitute I can Encore it with Fidgit.
Zapdos: Stratagem kills him on sight, and unless it runs a specially defensive EV spread, Latias has an easy time with it too.
On the offensive
Aerodactyl: Most of them are leads, but whether they are leads or not, Arghonaut handles them easily. Even if they have Aerial Ace.
Azelf: Jirachi and Kitsunoh do a good job checking it. If I predict a Fire Blast, I go to Stratagem.
Breloom: Fidgit handles it easily as long as it avoids Seed Bomb.
Celebi: Offensive versions of Celebi can be taken care of with an intelligent use of U-turn and Latias.
Cyclohm: Dragon and Electric gets unresisted coverage against my team, and since I do not have a good answer to both Thunderbolt and Dragon Pulse I may incur into a good deal of trouble. The same could be said for Azelf, but Azelf does not have the staying power wielded by Cyclohm.
Dragonite: If someone has a good counter to Dragonite not named Cresselia, I'm all ears. Generally, like against Salamence, predictions and Stealth Rock are the best weapons.
Electivire: Nothing can switch in safely, but much easier to play around than Dragonite, as long as it does not get Motor Drive. If that is the case, I may have some trouble, but Kitsunoh's ShadowStrike generally can kill him if it's not at full health.
Empoleon: Kitsunoh checks SubPetaya versions nicely.
Flygon: As long as it plays with U-turn it's nothing more than an annoyance. When it decides to use its STABs, I can either revenge kill it with my steels or enjoy a free turn of rampage with my sweepers.
Gengar: Luckily it dies fast, because this thing is a pain. Nothing on my team comes in safely, and it can do a number to my team if it sticks around for too long.
Gliscor: If it's a sweeping variant, Arghonaut does a good job at stopping it. If it's the pure Baton Passer, Arghonaut makes a gain a good check, since it can hit it hard with Waterfall, weaken the receiver (Metagross most times), and let Kitsunoh revenge kill it.
Gyarados: Thanks to Thunderpunch, Arghonaut stops every variant of Gyarados.
Heatran: Again, Arghonaut is an excellent answer, as well as Latias.
Heracross: Arghonaut stops Scarf variants, while my entire team outspeed the others.
Infernape: I rely on Latias to beat it. I can also revenge kill it with Kitsunoh or Stratagem (or Fidgit, depending on whether or not it runs max speed).
Jirachi: Calm Mind variants are checked by Fidgit (which can come in on Substitute, Calm Mind or Thunderbolt and Encore freely). Physical ones can be played around, especially since most of them are choiced.
Jolteon: A tricky foe to face. Difficult to revenge kill, even more difficult to switch into if it has Life Orb. Generally Latias is a good bet, but Shadow Ball hurts a lot.
(Incomplete, I'll finish it in a while)
Last edited by zarator; Oct 29th, 2009 at 1:54:08 PM.
|Oct 30th, 2009, 10:03:56 PM||#3|
Join Date: Oct 2008
kiss my ass, this is a holy site.
cool team, zarator. personally, i would make a couple of minor changes:
-your team has so much speed already, i don't really see the need for max speed timid fidgit. since you describe it as part of your defensive core (which it is), i think you should run the 252 / 120 / 136 bold spread for the extra bulk. that should also make it easier to switch into rotom-a.
-your team has a ton of electricity on it. i'd say drop thunderpunch from either arghonaut or kitsunoh, and instead use roar or earthquake/superpower.
-i'm not feeling frisk. have you tried running limber? paralysis immunity is great, and it will help kitsunoh switch into blissey.
-if you leave thunderpunch on arghonaut, maybe you could consider replacing waterfall with ice punch. yeah you lose STAB, but fight/ice/elec has pretty great super effective coverage anyway. that would help with your dragonite/salamence weakness (though kitsunoh is already an awesome check to those dragons so i don't see how you're really weak to them <_>)
|Oct 31st, 2009, 7:25:50 AM||#4|
Don't cry, little one
Join Date: Mar 2008
Thanks a lot for the suggestions!
|Nov 5th, 2009, 5:12:08 PM||#5|
Join Date: Oct 2009
Pretty good team.
As for anti-Dragonite, I found Uxie to help me through a lot of situations albeit none with Dragonite. Uxie is great to me and it might help you, but I cannot see what you would like to replace besides Jirachi. Anyways, think about.
Pokemon is great, but the one major flaw is how Gamefreak gave 10-year olds the power to wield God. (God=Arceus)
WOOT-Finally got a new DS charger. Now I can finish Platinum.