Smogon Shoddy Server Statistics - November 2009 - Page 6

IcyMan28 · Dec 20th, 2009, 2:41:17 AM

Empoleon is much better as a lead in this meta, IMO. It takes down like 8 of the top 10 essentially guaranteed (those that it loses to being only Sleepers like Roserade and Sash / Scarf Smeargle - and even then it breaks their sashes with its Aqua Jet). I'm surprised more people don't use it.

Xhizors · Dec 20th, 2009, 7:14:46 AM

I just saw this and I was very surprised seeing Gyarados at number 6, I haven't battled in month but I'm just chocked seeing this...

SHUCKLE MAN · Dec 20th, 2009, 11:43:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Scuba Stevee

Zam and Rhyperior are only 16 and 17? I thought they would be in the top ten......

I'm actually shocked that they got so high! If you think about it, they're only a bit better than Kadabra and Rhydon. Yes, they're better, but I must admit that I'm quite shocked that base 15 extra Special Attack and Speed and Focus Blast for Alakazam, and Solid Rock and base 5 extra Attack, and 10 HP, Defense and Special Defense for Rhyperior has got them a tenfold usage increase on what Kadabra and Rhydon were getting, if that makes sense. I think either Rhyperior and Alakazam are overrated, because everybody thinks "Oh, they were OU, so the must be good", or Kadabra and Rhydon were underrated, because everybody thought "They're NFEs, so they must suck". Perhaps it's a bit of both.

I like how Umbreon got more usages than Rhyperior and Alakazam though, considering he was the OU drop-down that nobody seemed to care about.

TheBlueRabbit · Dec 20th, 2009, 5:48:28 PM

Venasaur at Number 1 in UU, eh? I'm pretty surprised by that.
And what happened to Missy? -3.65% in a month... I'm surprised it got overtaken by Venasaur, actually. I never realised Vensaur could be that much trouble.

Lady Gaga · Dec 21st, 2009, 6:17:35 AM

Scizor, the most used Pokemon in the metagame. And Alakazam just missed out the #50 mark. Heracross is on his way to UU. If he makes it there lets just say the only thing that can counter him there is Weezing. Or maybe a few more.

SHUCKLE MAN · Dec 21st, 2009, 6:25:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheBlueRabbit

Venasaur at Number 1 in UU, eh? I'm pretty surprised by that.
And what happened to Missy? -3.65% in a month... I'm surprised it got overtaken by Venasaur, actually. I never realised Vensaur could be that much trouble.

Venusaur isn't really 'trouble'. It's not like Honchkrow. It's just very useful, so it gets used a lot.

Monta · Dec 21st, 2009, 12:27:03 PM

How did I not see this until now @_@

Senzairu · Dec 21st, 2009, 7:38:11 PM

Rotom-A is still growing in popularity. I think it's eventually going to take over the #1 spot. I don't particularly like it, but it has so many functions. The Subcharge Sweeper, Sleep Talker, Revenge Killer, Spin Blocker, Paralysis or Burn Support. So many choices... >.<

DragonKnight900 · Dec 23rd, 2009, 12:22:05 PM

I had an idea while I was enjoying a sit & surf:

Would it be possible to add the win % of the leads used. Sure Azelf might be the #1 lead but does his team win. I do realize that the entire team determines victory but it might be interesting to see if there were some leads which had a high win percentage even though they don't have a great number of usage.

The same could be applied to the standard usage but I felt that it would be more useful in the lead spot.

Staraptor Call · Dec 23rd, 2009, 4:27:03 PM

Another good statistic to collect would be detailed statistics for leads. That set of statistics would answer some questions about the metagame, such as what percent of Metagross use the Occa Berry and what percent use the Lum Berry, or Taunt compared to Fire Blast on Azelf. Currently there is no source for those statistics, and it would help with team building if there were.

Darkartisan · Dec 23rd, 2009, 9:44:48 PM

Heracross would be the crowd control that covers all the Venusaur everywhere...it'd make perfect sense...

Ttar at #4, it looks like this month he might drop

TheBlueRabbit · Dec 24th, 2009, 6:38:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat SHUCKLE MAN

Venusaur isn't really 'trouble'. It's not like Honchkrow. It's just very useful, so it gets used a lot.

Ironically, Honchkrow is my answer to Venasaur...

Senzairu · Dec 27th, 2009, 3:36:49 AM

Man, I know Scizor is such a beast, but I still can't believe he's dominating the tier this way. thirty percent? That's crazy.

I also like how's Salamence is back at his number two spot :D

Neblim · Jan 3rd, 2010, 1:36:11 PM

Wasnt there a page somewhere of Switch in statistics?

SHUCKLE MAN · Jan 3rd, 2010, 2:51:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Neblim

Wasnt there a page somewhere of Switch in statistics?

You mean a list of the mean number of times a Pokemon was switched-in per usage? I do remember that but I think it only got made for one month.

All I remember from that is that Blissey is the most often switched-in in Standard, and in UU, surprise, surprise, it was Chansey!

Neblim · Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:54:36 PM

Really? Damn, i wanted to see how often latias switched into gyarados so i could cripple it with thunderwave, only if it was in the top three for that really

Ramblin Wreck · Jan 3rd, 2010, 9:05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Neblim

Really? Damn, i wanted to see how often latias switched into gyarados so i could cripple it with thunderwave, only if it was in the top three for that really

All you can really do for that is put a Gyarados with Thunder Wave on your team, and see how much use it gives you compared to another move you might have had otherwise.

SHUCKLE MAN · Jan 4th, 2010, 4:47:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Neblim

Really? Damn, i wanted to see how often latias switched into gyarados so i could cripple it with thunderwave, only if it was in the top three for that really

Yeah, it didn't have it for specific Pokemon (e.g. Latias switched into Gyarados 0.9489 times per usage).

It was just something like "Chansey switched in 1.8498 times per usage".

Flamethrowa. · Jan 4th, 2010, 4:02:10 PM

Man, Ttar is farther up there than I've ever seen. Makes me even more nervous when I'm playing a Psychic type.
Thanks for the stats, Doug.

The Diverman · Jan 4th, 2010, 5:53:22 PM

I thought I posted this....

But I was looking at the uber lead statistics and it has cloyster at 24. Why is that, what makes it a usable lead in ubers?

ultimifier · Jan 4th, 2010, 9:51:47 PM

ive never used or seen a cloyster lead, but hereis my guess.

using surf, ice shard, rapid spin a fourth move (maybe toxic, ice beam or explosion) and focus sash cloyster is able to deal with all deoxys leads quite effectively. surf + rapid spin/ice shard is a pretty effective way to prevent your opponent from setting up SR + spikes from deoxys e/a leads, who account for over 1/4 of the leads.

also, if your opponent switches in giratina-o to spin block then you can hit it with a stab super effective attack...

i fail to see why this would be used over starmie however, as it can OHKO groudons that do not invest heavily in special defence with grass knot...

Lucalibur · Jan 4th, 2010, 10:25:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ultimifier

ive never used or seen a cloyster lead, but hereis my guess.

using surf, ice shard, rapid spin a fourth move (maybe toxic, ice beam or explosion) and focus sash cloyster is able to deal with all deoxys leads quite effectively. surf + rapid spin/ice shard is a pretty effective way to prevent your opponent from setting up SR + spikes from deoxys e/a leads, who account for over 1/4 of the leads.

also, if your opponent switches in giratina-o to spin block then you can hit it with a stab super effective attack...

i fail to see why this would be used over starmie however, as it can OHKO groudons that do not invest heavily in special defence with grass knot...

probaly the giant physical bulkness cloyster got,deoxys-S dont got a chance to break that

shrang · Jan 5th, 2010, 5:14:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat ultimifier

ive never used or seen a cloyster lead, but hereis my guess.

using surf, ice shard, rapid spin a fourth move (maybe toxic, ice beam or explosion) and focus sash cloyster is able to deal with all deoxys leads quite effectively. surf + rapid spin/ice shard is a pretty effective way to prevent your opponent from setting up SR + spikes from deoxys e/a leads, who account for over 1/4 of the leads.

also, if your opponent switches in giratina-o to spin block then you can hit it with a stab super effective attack...

i fail to see why this would be used over starmie however, as it can OHKO groudons that do not invest heavily in special defence with grass knot...

Cloyster can also use Spikes, but generally it is outclassed by Forretress, with a better typing, more options (SR, Spikes AND T-Spikes, plus Rapid Spin), can slowly put the hurt of Giratina-O if he needs to (Payback on the switch).

Dec 20th, 2009, 2:41:17 AM	#126
IcyMan28 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,798	Empoleon is much better as a lead in this meta, IMO. It takes down like 8 of the top 10 essentially guaranteed (those that it loses to being only Sleepers like Roserade and Sash / Scarf Smeargle - and even then it breaks their sashes with its Aqua Jet). I'm surprised more people don't use it. __________________ In-Game Name: Anthony FC: 3309 2165 3231 I use legal hacks.

Dec 23rd, 2009, 12:22:05 PM	#134
DragonKnight900 Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 532 EST ( GMT - 5 )	I had an idea while I was enjoying a sit & surf: Would it be possible to add the win % of the leads used. Sure Azelf might be the #1 lead but does his team win. I do realize that the entire team determines victory but it might be interesting to see if there were some leads which had a high win percentage even though they don't have a great number of usage. The same could be applied to the standard usage but I felt that it would be more useful in the lead spot. __________________ DragonKnight900's 900th Trade Thread FC: 4424 8184 6164 If I say CMT Please either post in my thread or send me a PM, just to make sure we don't miss each other

Dec 23rd, 2009, 4:27:03 PM	#135
Staraptor Call Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,422 Avatar by Lorak	Another good statistic to collect would be detailed statistics for leads. That set of statistics would answer some questions about the metagame, such as what percent of Metagross use the Occa Berry and what percent use the Lum Berry, or Taunt compared to Fire Blast on Azelf. Currently there is no source for those statistics, and it would help with team building if there were. __________________ ∩_∩ ¼_¼ φ_φ

Dec 23rd, 2009, 9:44:48 PM	#136
Darkartisan Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 675 SoFla	Heracross would be the crowd control that covers all the Venusaur everywhere...it'd make perfect sense... Ttar at #4, it looks like this month he might drop __________________ Since '08

Jan 3rd, 2010, 1:36:11 PM	#139
Neblim Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42 Wrapped around a damn good cup of coffee	Wasnt there a page somewhere of Switch in statistics? __________________ Wakes up* Looks around in vain* Pants?

Dec 20th, 2009, 7:14:46 AM	#127
Xhizors We're all gonna make it Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,422 Melancholy Hill	I just saw this and I was very surprised seeing Gyarados at number 6, I haven't battled in month but I'm just chocked seeing this...

Dec 21st, 2009, 6:17:35 AM	#130
Lady Gaga Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 487 Singapore	Scizor, the most used Pokemon in the metagame. And Alakazam just missed out the #50 mark. Heracross is on his way to UU. If he makes it there lets just say the only thing that can counter him there is Weezing. Or maybe a few more.

Dec 21st, 2009, 12:27:03 PM	#132
Monta Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 90	How did I not see this until now @_@

Dec 21st, 2009, 7:38:11 PM	#133
Senzairu Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 111	Rotom-A is still growing in popularity. I think it's eventually going to take over the #1 spot. I don't particularly like it, but it has so many functions. The Subcharge Sweeper, Sleep Talker, Revenge Killer, Spin Blocker, Paralysis or Burn Support. So many choices... >.<

Dec 27th, 2009, 3:36:49 AM	#138
Senzairu Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 111	Man, I know Scizor is such a beast, but I still can't believe he's dominating the tier this way. thirty percent? That's crazy. I also like how's Salamence is back at his number two spot :D

Jan 3rd, 2010, 8:54:36 PM	#141
Neblim Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 42 Wrapped around a damn good cup of coffee	Really? Damn, i wanted to see how often latias switched into gyarados so i could cripple it with thunderwave, only if it was in the top three for that really __________________ Wakes up* Looks around in vain* Pants?

Jan 4th, 2010, 4:02:10 PM	#144
Flamethrowa. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 32 Long Island New York	Man, Ttar is farther up there than I've ever seen. Makes me even more nervous when I'm playing a Psychic type. Thanks for the stats, Doug. __________________ PREDECCESSOR OF THE GREAT ZEPHYR

Jan 4th, 2010, 5:53:22 PM	#145
The Diverman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 895 Chillville	I thought I posted this.... But I was looking at the uber lead statistics and it has cloyster at 24. Why is that, what makes it a usable lead in ubers? __________________ My Reality is a Lie.

Jan 4th, 2010, 9:51:47 PM	#146
ultimifier Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,095 toronto, canada	ive never used or seen a cloyster lead, but hereis my guess. using surf, ice shard, rapid spin a fourth move (maybe toxic, ice beam or explosion) and focus sash cloyster is able to deal with all deoxys leads quite effectively. surf + rapid spin/ice shard is a pretty effective way to prevent your opponent from setting up SR + spikes from deoxys e/a leads, who account for over 1/4 of the leads. also, if your opponent switches in giratina-o to spin block then you can hit it with a stab super effective attack... i fail to see why this would be used over starmie however, as it can OHKO groudons that do not invest heavily in special defence with grass knot...