Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

[Sixfortyfive]

Probably a stupid question but are there any particular seeds/delays that can't be used for whatever reason? I'm trying to start the game with seed 651402EF (DS date/time set to Jan 21 2010 @ 20:32:48, 741 delay), but according to my coin flip checks I have been consistently off by 1 frame for this seed, again and again. I have probably landed on 740 and 742 a total of 60 times or more now, and I'm pretty consistent (tend to stay within about a 5-frame window), but for the life of me I just cannot stop on delay 741. None of the other seeds that I've tried to sync to so far have given me nearly as much trouble as this one.

Bad luck?

[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat Sixfortyfive

Probably a stupid question but are there any particular seeds/delays that can't be used for whatever reason? I'm trying to start the game with seed 651402EF (DS date/time set to Jan 21 2010 @ 20:32:48, 741 delay), but according to my coin flip checks I have been consistently off by 1 frame for this seed, again and again. I have probably landed on 740 and 742 a total of 60 times or more now, and I'm pretty consistent (tend to stay within about a 5-frame window), but for the life of me I just cannot stop on delay 741. None of the other seeds that I've tried to sync to so far have given me nearly as much trouble as this one.

Bad luck?

no its that the delays your hitting are even you need to either isnert remove a GBA Pokemon game form your DS if you have one or change the year to get that seed with an even delay by changing the year to one lower if your on 2010 then change it to 2009 which will get that seed to appear on a delay of 742

[Sixfortyfive]

Incredible.

What would I ever do without you guys.

[COKTAL]

Okay, I'm trying to abuse for a shiny egg, and no matter what spread I try I get roughly 50 frames off, minimum. It's a BP for Pastel that I'm doing, and every time I hit the spread and count out the taps (less than 25 happiness and 8 coin flips), i always miss. I've counted out loud to guarentee it's right. I've both caught a pokemon to verify the seed and done the taps like a normal abuse without the shiny egg finder. I've done the 10 flips to verify the spread, and then done the rest of the taps as required according to the shiny egg finder. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. And yes, I do have 6 pokemon in my party, one being a parent that I deposit. The drop down box is set to DPPt(International), just like every other abuse.

What I really don't get is what this isn't working. I've done numerous RNG breeds in this game, using the exact same Ditto and I've never had trouble with this. Maybe I'm forgetting something, so any ideas?

[Shananiganeer]

You're not making any mistakes, it's the spread you selected. I assume you are trying to breed an egg that pastel can hatch shiny? When using international parents the PID is changed based on the ID and SID of the breeding trainer. It checks to see if the egg is shiny, and if not it slightly modifies it up to 4 times. Since the egg you are trying for is shiny for pastel's ID/SID the algorithm isn't triggered in RNG Reporter, but in the game it uses your ID/SID and so it changes it. Try generating the International list again, but use your ID/SID instead of pastel's. The egg you're getting should match the desired frame.

EDIT: I built a tool that will search for a shiny egg in the International Egg PID using different breeders and hatchers. PM me the info and I can send you a list.

[CBshuckle]

I was planning to RNG abuse a Zapdos when a slight problem came up. I know that entering a battle causes a lot of (unknown) RNG advancement, so once I've advanced the RNG enough, if I run into, say, articuno and not zapdos, the RNG will be thrown off.

Does this mean that after I've hit the seed and advanced the RNG I only have a 1/3 chance of getting zapdos?

[for54years]

Originally Posted by Fat CBshuckle

I was planning to RNG abuse a Zapdos when a slight problem came up. I know that entering a battle causes a lot of (unknown) RNG advancement, so once I've advanced the RNG enough, if I run into, say, articuno and not zapdos, the RNG will be thrown off.

Does this mean that after I've hit the seed and advanced the RNG I only have a 1/3 chance of getting zapdos?

No, the PID's are set for the birds the moment you speak to Professor Oak and he releases them. It doesn't matter which one you encounter first.

[CBshuckle]

So once I advance the RNG enough, and then talk to Oak, the PID's will be set and I can jump on my head and nothing will change? Cool!

[Nexus]

Originally Posted by Fat CBshuckle

So once I advance the RNG enough, and then talk to Oak, the PID's will be set and I can jump on my head and nothing will change? Cool!

yeah you got it

[Lightsabre]

ok. 1) where can I catch machop/oke where there are no uncontrolable npcs
and 2) is there a list of places which routes/areas have what amount of npcs?

[Jubilee]

Originally Posted by Fat Lightsabre

ok. 1) where can I catch machop/oke where there are no uncontrolable npcs
and 2) is there a list of places which routes/areas have what amount of npcs?

Mt.Coronet Route 211 Entrance you can catch Machop with no NPC's :)
EDIT And theres a Thread on here somewhere about your second question but i dont know where it is and it sint fully complete :(
EDIT2:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2322091?
EDIT3: No problem thats what this thread is for! ^_^ Goodluck!

[Lightsabre]

Thanks for all of your help Steveebomb. hopefully I'll be able to post back here with some success soon

[pikachu25]

Are there any features you guys wish that some spread search tool had? I'm rewriting JavaRNG for version 3.0 (which will feature some significant upgrades), and I am looking for input as to what features I should try to add.

[timetwister]

Maybe some way to search for spreads with low speeds for TR/Gyro Ball/Curse?

[pikachu25]

Originally Posted by Fat timetwister

Maybe some way to search for spreads with low speeds for TR/Gyro Ball/Curse?

I've been debating that. Current ideas are: Multiple nature selection, multiple hidden power selection, better 3rd Gen searches (think FRLG), faster 4th gen searches (I had a breakthrough on this recently), the slow speed stats as you mentioned, and an X option, so that you can select exactly 31/x/30/31/31/31 and not get 31/x/30+/31/31/31 spreads. I also hope to have some JavaRNG to PikaTimer interface, such as having an option on PikaTimer to "Load CSV," you pick a csv, then choose a spread for it to create a Timer for.

[Improbability]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but the sites search function isn't working on my iPhones browser :P :
Can you rng abuse the in-game npc trades available in dppt? And if so, what method are the pokemon (1?), and do they have a starting monster frame (if so what is it?)
Thanks in advance.

[Cool Ivysaur]

Originally Posted by Fat Evil Murkrow

I'm sure this has been asked before, but the sites search function isn't working on my iPhones browser :P :
Can you rng abuse the in-game npc trades available in dppt? And if so, what method are the pokemon (1?), and do they have a starting monster frame (if so what is it?)
Thanks in advance.

I think the IVs,nature of the pokes you get from the in-game trades are set to be the same always.

I've done several "new games" and that abra from oreburg is always the same(quiet,synchronize and stats),in both diamond and plat.

[Destiny100]

Question about PokeRadar.
If the spread I want to use doesn't have an encounter slot for say pokemon X. It's not a pokeradar exclusive poke, can I still abuse it using pokeradar with an encounter slot that doesn't match what it says in RNG Reporter?

[COKTAL]

Originally Posted by Fat Destiny100

Question about PokeRadar.
If the spread I want to use doesn't have an encounter slot for say pokemon X. It's not a pokeradar exclusive poke, can I still abuse it using pokeradar with an encounter slot that doesn't match what it says in RNG Reporter?

You should be able to. What you'll want to do different is start the chain in a normal patch (just shakes, but not sparkling). This should remove the chances of encountering a radar exclusive pokemon.

[Destiny100]

Originally Posted by Fat COKTAL

You should be able to. What you'll want to do different is start the chain in a normal patch (just shakes, but not sparkling). This should remove the chances of encountering a radar exclusive pokemon.

Hmm, K. Thanks :D. Just the ID/SID abuse I want to do doesn't have the encounter slot I want =(, so I guess I'll have to Radar abuse it.

[COKTAL]

What frame is it at? I've only done one at 109, and that didn't leave too much room for error. I only had about 20 frames I had to manually advance for mine, so if it's lower than 80 it's going to be tough. Good luck thought :)

[Destiny100]

Originally Posted by Fat COKTAL

What frame is it at? I've only done one at 109, and that didn't leave too much room for error. I only had about 20 frames I had to manually advance for mine, so if it's lower than 80 it's going to be tough. Good luck thought :)

Depends what delay I use. I haven't abused the ID/SID yet, but the lowest one I can get is 180 with a delay of 1800 I think, I need to confirm it.

But that leads me onto my next question. There are same spreads with higher delays and lower frames.
If I enter one of the PID for a ID/SID combo, let's say frame 180, and delay 1800. Using the same ID/SID, will I be able to hit my spread with Frame 350ish and delay 1500?
If it's a confusing question, and probably hard to understand but if anyone can answer it, thanks :D

[Mariachi]

Why can't you use a shiny breed poke to calculate your SID? I have two shiny pokemon, one from an egg and the other from a chain. Are they useless for the SID?

Btw, the Red Gyara is like other shiny pokemon, so could i use it?

[Shananiganeer]

@Destiny - A much easier way to Radar abuse non-Radar exclusive pokemon is to start your chain by sweet scenting. I'm not sure if this works all the time, but it worked for my Dittos.

@Mariachi - Unlike wild pokemon, the PID of a bred pokemon has no relation to its IVs. You can deduce your SID from a caught shiny because its IVs restrict it to a small number of possible PIDs(often only 1). For a bred shiny it's PID can be anything, and so without the use of external devices it's impossible to figure out. A chained shiny isn't worthless, but you need several to get your SID. Again it has to do with the formula for PID generation, but simply put each chained pokemon has a range of possible ID/SID combinations that will make it shiny. With enough chained pokemon only one ID/SID will make them all shiny.

[COKTAL]

Originally Posted by Fat Mariachi

Why can't you use a shiny breed poke to calculate your SID? I have two shiny pokemon, one from an egg and the other from a chain. Are they useless for the SID?

Btw, the Red Gyara is like other shiny pokemon, so could i use it?

The egg can't work because there's no real way to determine the SID from it since you don't know the PID. When breeding, the PID and IVs aren't combined together, so there's no way to know the exact spread you got it with.

Chain can work, but as the chain gets higher up, the game makes more calls to the RNG to get a shiny, so it sometimes gives one that normally wouldn't be.

Red Gyarados won't work because it's set shiny, so that's not an actually shiny spread you have.