Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 645

**ΩDonut** · Mar 22nd, 2010, 3:25:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Expert Evan

So if I understand this correctly, the red gyarados uses the chained shiny theoretical method, and the nature depends on the game's ID/SID combination?

According to X-Act's description of chained shiny generation, anyway. I still need people to test it out and confirm it.

LaFrozen · Mar 22nd, 2010, 3:42:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat LaFrozen

How do I go about ID/SID abusing in Emerald? I can only seem to find information for DPPt/HGSS. Help would be really appreciated. :3

Still waiting for an answer. :(

Romsstar · Mar 22nd, 2010, 3:54:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Drathos

Can the Pikatimer be used for D/P/Pt/HG/SS? If so could someone explain to me exactly what it does and provide me with a download link? Thanks.

Don't bother with it as there are only few people who actually seem to get to run it.
Stick to emloop as PikaTimer don't really seems to work.

**ΩDonut** · Mar 22nd, 2010, 4:08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat LaFrozen

Still waiting for an answer. :(

It's never been done.

Christian · Mar 22nd, 2010, 4:26:13 PM

is it possible to advance the RNG by one?
I'm fishing with the good rod at valley windworks and i'm in the grass.

Jubilee · Mar 22nd, 2010, 4:33:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Christian

is it possible to advance the RNG by one?
I'm fishing with the good rod at valley windworks and i'm in the grass.

Fishing advances the frame by 4
And yes it is possible. Either take 128 steps in an area with no pokemon and 1 pokemon in your party
Or if your in grass turn ONCE and that will advance the frame by 1 :)

Christian · Mar 22nd, 2010, 4:37:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jubilee

Fishing advances the frame by 4
And yes it is possible. Either take 128 steps in an area with no pokemon and 1 pokemon in your party
Or if your in grass turn ONCE and that will advance the frame by 1 :)

thanks for the help :)

COKTAL · Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:09:23 PM

Has anyone else had trouble advancing the frame in HG/SS by walking in an area where wild pokemon are? I tried it with the floor under where Ho-oh was in the Bell Tower, but my turns never advanced it. Maybe because I wasn't walking? Just wanted to see if I'm not the only one, so I can plan better for Entei and Raikou. Do we know their starting frames yet?

Atomsk777 · Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:19:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat COKTAL

Has anyone else had trouble advancing the frame in HG/SS by walking in an area where wild pokemon are? I tried it with the floor under where Ho-oh was in the Bell Tower, but my turns never advanced it. Maybe because I wasn't walking? Just wanted to see if I'm not the only one, so I can plan better for Entei and Raikou. Do we know their starting frames yet?

iirc Raikou and Entei are like the birds in Plat... Raikou is 1 and Entei is 6... I believe.... and as for the walking... its inconsistent... your best bet would be to use the radio... it takes slightly longer... but really... there's no problem with inconsistency

Misdreavus · Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:54:12 PM

I'm beginning to think that if you are in a cave/wherever with wild Pokémon, are standing ON a ladder, and you take a step to go up/down that ladder, it does NOT count as a frame advancement in an area with wild Pokémon. After all, the spot ON the ladder is not a spot where you can find wild Pokémon (if you try to Sweet Scent there, it does nothing, but if you take one step back, you're fine). Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I ran across this by saving one step before the ladder to the rooftop in Tin Tower. I used Sweet Scent, caught the Pokémon, took two steps up (the first put me ON the ladder, the second one put me up the ladder onto the rooftop), ran up to Ho-oh, and caught it. I expected the Ho-oh's frame to be the "actual" frame of the Sweet Scent, plus 3 (2 for taking the two steps on 10F + 1 for Ho-oh's frame) or 4 (3 + 1 if the 128-step counter is tripped), but it was only 2, leading me to believe that my stepping onto the ladder and then up the ladder all only advanced it by 1 (plus 1 for Ho-oh's frame).

Atomsk777 · Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:56:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

I'm beginning to think that if you are in a cave/wherever with wild Pokémon, are standing ON a ladder, and you take a step to go up/down that ladder, it does NOT count as a frame advancement in an area with wild Pokémon. After all, the spot ON the ladder is not a spot where you can find wild Pokémon (if you try to Sweet Scent there, it does nothing, but if you take one step back, you're fine). Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I ran across this by saving one step before the ladder to the rooftop in Tin Tower. I used Sweet Scent, caught the Pokémon, took two steps up (the first put me ON the ladder, the second one put me up the ladder onto the rooftop), ran up to Ho-oh, and caught it. I expected the Ho-oh's frame to be the "actual" frame of the Sweet Scent, plus 3 (2 for taking the two steps on 10F + 1 for Ho-oh's frame) or 4 (3 + 1 if the 128-step counter is tripped), but it was only 2.

that sounds correct... because a door doesn't count as a step either...

Redtype · Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:09:50 PM

Wow, thanks OmegaDonut and Pehu! You saved me a lot of time and nerves

Despotar · Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:17:55 PM

I have to questions about RNG abusing in plat. 1:
do the pokemon inside the fence by daycare count as NPCs?
and 2: On the RNG reporter, I'm going for the IVs right now, and why would the Search Flips butten not show up with any results when I try to use it? Thanks!

Ferrouswheel · Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:43:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Despotar

I have to questions about RNG abusing in plat. 1:
do the pokemon inside the fence by daycare count as NPCs?
and 2: On the RNG reporter, I'm going for the IVs right now, and why would the Search Flips butten not show up with any results when I try to use it? Thanks!

2) You're time could be out of the search boundaries.

Pehu · Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:45:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Redtype

Wow, thanks OmegaDonut and Pehu! You saved me a lot of time and nerves

I wish someone did the same to me. But Rename Card kept saying that I shouldn't give up. So, it took three days until I said "Enough is enough"

Hawkings11 · Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:49:14 PM

Thank you for answering my question, Wild Eep. Your verification of my mathematics has made my day! Now, time to try catching some Munchlax!

Despotar · Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:14:24 PM

Okay I have a problem. I have tried saving over my frame to get a new one,
i've tried flipping the jurnal extra times, but no matter what I do I get a frame of 17 instead of my target, 18! Why???

tr4q · Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:15:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Despotar

Okay I have a problem. I have tried saving over my frame to get a new one,
i've tried flipping the jurnal extra times, but no matter what I do I get a frame of 17 instead of my target, 18! Why???

Are you sure your journal has pages of a caught or defeated pokemon?

Despotar · Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:17:10 PM

Yeah! Reicived pokemon (from trades) don't count, do they?
Any other ideas?

tr4q · Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:22:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Despotar

Yeah! Reicived pokemon (from trades) don't count, do they?
Any other ideas?

They don't count. =P

gameman87 · Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:22:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Despotar

Yeah! Reicived pokemon (from trades) don't count, do they?
Any other ideas?

They don't. Try another seed or keep resaving. Its mostly trial and error with egg IVs.

Despotar · Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:39:58 PM

Okay, thanks

SwampertGirl · Mar 22nd, 2010, 8:03:10 PM

A couple curious questions.

1. When using the step method to RNG Suicune, would walking into Poke'mon increase frames? If so, how many?

2. Is it possible to RNG in the Sinjoh Ruins (aka Arceus Event Dragons)?

**ΩDonut** · Mar 22nd, 2010, 8:05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SwampertGirl

A couple curious questions.

1. When using the step method to RNG Suicune, would walking into Poke'mon increase frames? If so, how many?

No.

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2. Is it possible to RNG in the Sinjoh Ruins (aka Arceus Event Dragons)?

Yeah, I've done it. Had to walk a lot of steps with just Arceus in my party, but I managed.

**Nexus** · Mar 22nd, 2010, 8:06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SwampertGirl

A couple curious questions.

1. When using the step method to RNG Suicune, would walking into Poke'mon increase frames? If so, how many?

2. Is it possible to RNG in the Sinjoh Ruins (aka Arceus Event Dragons)?

1) What do you mean by walking into pokemon, is it wild pokemon battles or just walking into your first pokemon or suicune?

2) Yes it is

Mar 22nd, 2010, 4:26:13 PM	#16105
Christian Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,544 UK	is it possible to advance the RNG by one? I'm fishing with the good rod at valley windworks and i'm in the grass. __________________ OP OP Oppa GANGNAM STYLE

Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:09:23 PM	#16108
COKTAL Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,054 Right here.	Has anyone else had trouble advancing the frame in HG/SS by walking in an area where wild pokemon are? I tried it with the floor under where Ho-oh was in the Bell Tower, but my turns never advanced it. Maybe because I wasn't walking? Just wanted to see if I'm not the only one, so I can plan better for Entei and Raikou. Do we know their starting frames yet? __________________ † I am a Christian and proud of it! Copy and paste this if you are too.† White FC: 2064-8475-0644. Heartgold FC: 2493-6336-6451.

Mar 22nd, 2010, 5:54:12 PM	#16110
Misdreavus Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,210 Orlando, FL	I'm beginning to think that if you are in a cave/wherever with wild Pokémon, are standing ON a ladder, and you take a step to go up/down that ladder, it does NOT count as a frame advancement in an area with wild Pokémon. After all, the spot ON the ladder is not a spot where you can find wild Pokémon (if you try to Sweet Scent there, it does nothing, but if you take one step back, you're fine). Can anyone confirm or deny this? I ran across this by saving one step before the ladder to the rooftop in Tin Tower. I used Sweet Scent, caught the Pokémon, took two steps up (the first put me ON the ladder, the second one put me up the ladder onto the rooftop), ran up to Ho-oh, and caught it. I expected the Ho-oh's frame to be the "actual" frame of the Sweet Scent, plus 3 (2 for taking the two steps on 10F + 1 for Ho-oh's frame) or 4 (3 + 1 if the 128-step counter is tripped), but it was only 2, leading me to believe that my stepping onto the ladder and then up the ladder all only advanced it by 1 (plus 1 for Ho-oh's frame). __________________ My other Rotom is a washing machine.

Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:09:50 PM	#16112
Redtype Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 742 Caution - Sawsbucks on road	Wow, thanks OmegaDonut and Pehu! You saved me a lot of time and nerves __________________ Trading is a serious business. White FC: 1678 3054 7710 SoulSilver FC: 2622 5126 4730

Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:17:55 PM	#16113
Despotar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,119 Fort Worth, TX	I have to questions about RNG abusing in plat. 1: do the pokemon inside the fence by daycare count as NPCs? and 2: On the RNG reporter, I'm going for the IVs right now, and why would the Search Flips butten not show up with any results when I try to use it? Thanks! __________________ 1506-0469-4826. My trade thread!

Mar 22nd, 2010, 6:49:14 PM	#16116
Hawkings11 Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2	Thank you for answering my question, Wild Eep. Your verification of my mathematics has made my day! Now, time to try catching some Munchlax!

Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:14:24 PM	#16117
Despotar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,119 Fort Worth, TX	Okay I have a problem. I have tried saving over my frame to get a new one, i've tried flipping the jurnal extra times, but no matter what I do I get a frame of 17 instead of my target, 18! Why??? __________________ 1506-0469-4826. My trade thread!

Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:17:10 PM	#16119
Despotar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,119 Fort Worth, TX	Yeah! Reicived pokemon (from trades) don't count, do they? Any other ideas? __________________ 1506-0469-4826. My trade thread!

Mar 22nd, 2010, 7:39:58 PM	#16122
Despotar Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,119 Fort Worth, TX	Okay, thanks __________________ 1506-0469-4826. My trade thread!

Mar 22nd, 2010, 8:03:10 PM	#16123
SwampertGirl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 424 rolls around	A couple curious questions. 1. When using the step method to RNG Suicune, would walking into Poke'mon increase frames? If so, how many? 2. Is it possible to RNG in the Sinjoh Ruins (aka Arceus Event Dragons)? __________________ My Trade Thread White F/C: 5243-1205-1409 White 2 F/C: 0047-0620-1971 PGL Name: Mermaid