Issue #9 Released - Page 2

Sceats · Jun 16th, 2010, 11:41:09 PM

ahah im still laughing at the caterpies expresion on the revenankh pic.

MegaKick · Jun 16th, 2010, 11:55:42 PM

Love it! The art was awesome. Very insightful, the double interview was awesome. Lazy Mekkah ;)

P.S. I was the first to talk about ice defense hail boost. I posted it like 2 months ago in the black and white thread.

***Iconic**** · Jun 17th, 2010, 12:20:58 AM

This issue was a really great read! Good work to everyone involved.

Scimjara · Jun 17th, 2010, 12:31:04 AM

The artwork was really nice. GJ with the lead synergy article!

***DougJustDoug***** · Jun 17th, 2010, 12:58:55 AM

I just gave the issue a read-through. Great work! Notable standouts for me:

Phil's Protips were perfect. Great mix of information and style.
SDS did a great job with Breloom. I've been a 'Loom fan forever, but that article made me want to fire up a Shroom team, and do some SubPunching just for fun.
The OU RMT by undisput3ed and TOF was a nice read, and I normally don't get too interested in RMT's in the Smog
Scofield's Lead Synergy article caught my eye because of the layout and quick hit blurbs for key pokemon. That drew me in to read the whole thing and I really enjoyed it. Nice work, Scofield.
Mekkah's TCG article was surprisingly interesting, since I have never played TCG and still don't intend to. But, Mekkah did a great job of making the article accessible to general pokemon enthusiasts. I enjoyed the read.
Deck Knight's speculations on B&W were a nice comic diversion with some great historical game tidbits thrown in.
The art was the best overall effort I have seen in any issue to date. Cartoon's Venusaur, Icepick's Tyranitar, Cyzir's Latias, HellaHellaStyle's Breloom, and Hen's Moltres were the ones that really stood out for me. But, big props to all the contributing artists in this ish.

Captain Snacks · Jun 17th, 2010, 3:56:42 AM

That was a great read, I can tell a good bit of effort was put into this. Good job to everyone who contributed.

***Delko**** · Jun 17th, 2010, 5:47:47 AM

Great as always. I really liked the art this issue, keep up to good work ^^

Golden Sun · Jun 17th, 2010, 5:56:59 AM

Great Job Guys

EpitomeOfFailure · Jun 17th, 2010, 8:59:32 AM

Awesome as ever!

By the way, the article "Featured type: Dragon" mentions that either of Giratina´s STAB moves coupled with Aura Sphere nets unresisted coverage. The only mon resisting dragon+finghtning, Shedinja is actually sometimes used in Ubers, and might warrant a mention.

Edit: lol'd at "That's like telling Jimbo to use quick attack..."
... feeling bad. That was a personal insult after all.

Alchemator · Jun 17th, 2010, 12:30:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat PK Gaming

Fantastic issue you guys. I especially liked the good commenting by ToF on the RMT.

Edit: Raichu's Azumarill disguise was pretty cool too.

Yeah I got mentioned ;D

Great job everyone, and especially a big thanks to user jumpluff who htmlises almost everything! Noob vashta :P

***bojangles***** · Jun 17th, 2010, 12:35:43 PM

Just wanted to congratulate everybody on this amazing issue, and to say I'm sorry I couldn't be a bit more involved in its creation. The artwork is truly fantastic (icepick's tyranitar is too good ._.) and special thanks to jumpluff, the HTML queen, and the various writers who really give it their all (this means you guys, Erazor and Alchemator). Congrats!

King Louie · Jun 17th, 2010, 4:27:45 PM

One of the best issues since the first ones. Really enjoyed the predictions for generation 5

Squirrel. · Jun 17th, 2010, 9:49:43 PM

Nice job reverb on the underrated move sets that was an awesome article and it helped me and im sure will help others alot...Expect now people might acually prepare for agility luc :'(.....Lol awesome smog!

FlareBlitz · Jun 17th, 2010, 9:59:16 PM

Echoing the others who said that the art was excellent. It really was. The Moltres art in particular was fantastic!

Staraptor Call · Jun 18th, 2010, 12:02:24 AM

The art was especially good in this issue. For the last lead synergy set, it should be noted that Choice Scarf Breloom can be used in place of Roserade for a more accurate Sleep move without losing the ability to revenge-kill later in the game. Expert Belt Tyranitar also deserves a mention in the Underrated Movesets article, as it can net a huge number of surprise OHKOes on Scizor, Heatran, other Tyranitar, and more.

KnightoftheWind · Jun 18th, 2010, 5:47:23 AM

Excellent job to all the hard workers on another great issue of The Smog.

NightmareZ · Jun 18th, 2010, 6:10:47 AM

I have a minor nitpick with the lead synergy article.

Why not lead with metagross in the starmie/metagross combo, as it beats more of the 11 leads you posted then starmie does.

I will assume my personal favourite set which is the lumgross with meteor mash, SR, bullet punch and explosion.

Azelf: Metagross does better unless mash misses but hey its not as risky as hydro pumping

Aerodactyl: Metagross

Swampert: Starmie

Metagross: Starmie

Jirachi: probably metagross depends on their move choice and the set

Infernape: Starmie

Machamp: Metagross

Roserade: Metagross

Tyranitar: Metagross

Gliscor: starmie

Heatran: Starmie

As you can see we sit at Starmie 5 and metagross 6 although starmie comes back further down the list which leaves us at the conclusion

If you hate machamp, lead with metagross.

Wow i answered my own question, awsome, however I would like scofield to give us a slightly larger insight.

Scofield · Jun 18th, 2010, 6:43:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat NightmareZ

I have a minor nitpick with the lead synergy article.

Why not lead with metagross in the starmie/metagross combo, as it beats more of the 11 leads you posted then starmie does.

I will assume my personal favourite set which is the lumgross with meteor mash, SR, bullet punch and explosion.

Azelf: Metagross does better unless mash misses but hey its not as risky as hydro pumping

Aerodactyl: Metagross

Swampert: Starmie

Metagross: Starmie

Jirachi: probably metagross depends on their move choice and the set

Infernape: Starmie

Machamp: Metagross

Roserade: Metagross

Tyranitar: Metagross

Gliscor: starmie

Heatran: Starmie

As you can see we sit at Starmie 5 and metagross 6 although starmie comes back further down the list which leaves us at the conclusion

If you hate machamp, lead with metagross.

Wow i answered my own question, awsome, however I would like scofield to give us a slightly larger insight.

Apparently you missed the point of the article. It isn't to have the best chance at having a favorable lead match up but rather to defeat your opponent's lead while giving you the momentum/advantage. In other words, I don't give a fuck if Metagross matches up better to more leads than Starmie. If you lead with lum gross, you give up Rocks to Heatran, Infernape, etc, for free, losing you momentum. Whereas leading with Starmie applies pressure to leads which Metagross cannot (Gliscor, etc) while enticing most leads to attack Starmie (Roserade with leaf storm, Machamp with Payback, Aero with Rock Slide, etc) and with Starmie's deadly coverage, not many leads will attempt to overpredict, allowing Metagross to easily shrug off Leaf Storms, Rock Slides or whatever. And then Metagross is out against Roserade or whatever anyways and all it has cost you is minor health.

undisputed · Jun 18th, 2010, 4:28:11 PM

Great job as always guys. The issues always leave me wanting more because they are excellent reads. I thought Phil and scofields battling strategy articles were especially well written. Maximizing chances at winning, although it's pretty obvious when you stop and think about it, is one of the most overlooked aspects of the game that I see on the ladder whenever I start on a fresh alt. Keep up the great work everyone!

*Hen* · Jun 18th, 2010, 7:09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat FlareBlitz

Echoing the others who said that the art was excellent. It really was. The Moltres art in particular was fantastic!

^_______^ Thanks!

Lol I submitted it to my art page on dA and apparently thoroughly creeped out the members there. XD

I figured you guys would *get* it. <3

NightmareZ · Jun 18th, 2010, 7:18:35 PM

Both Pokémon make excellent leads, but by leading with Starmie, it is easier to prevent Forretress and Skarmory leads, which are becoming more popular, from setting up entry hazards.

I understand your reasoning however this doesnt say too much about momentum but no offense I was just curious.

~~Sprinkles~~ · Jun 18th, 2010, 10:18:53 PM

when do we find out who won the trivia? and good job on this issue

Eraddd · Jun 19th, 2010, 2:50:48 AM

The list of the Smogon Premier league teams has an error: one team has all its players listed as assistant managers.

Good issue.

Aeroblacktyl · Jun 19th, 2010, 3:40:12 AM

shit issue wheres my article

MegaKick · Jun 19th, 2010, 12:06:44 PM

OK, I gotta admit, I read through phil's protips, and got to the bottom, and laughed at zerowings "tips". keepin the runnin gag from the last one going.

Jun 17th, 2010, 12:31:04 AM	#29
Scimjara Bert Stare Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,002 Sesame Street	The artwork was really nice. GJ with the lead synergy article! __________________

Jun 17th, 2010, 12:58:55 AM	#30
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	I just gave the issue a read-through. Great work! Notable standouts for me: Phil's Protips were perfect. Great mix of information and style. SDS did a great job with Breloom. I've been a 'Loom fan forever, but that article made me want to fire up a Shroom team, and do some SubPunching just for fun. The OU RMT by undisput3ed and TOF was a nice read, and I normally don't get too interested in RMT's in the Smog Scofield's Lead Synergy article caught my eye because of the layout and quick hit blurbs for key pokemon. That drew me in to read the whole thing and I really enjoyed it. Nice work, Scofield. Mekkah's TCG article was surprisingly interesting, since I have never played TCG and still don't intend to. But, Mekkah did a great job of making the article accessible to general pokemon enthusiasts. I enjoyed the read. Deck Knight's speculations on B&W were a nice comic diversion with some great historical game tidbits thrown in. The art was the best overall effort I have seen in any issue to date. Cartoon's Venusaur, Icepick's Tyranitar, Cyzir's Latias, HellaHellaStyle's Breloom, and Hen's Moltres were the ones that really stood out for me. But, big props to all the contributing artists in this ish. __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

Jun 17th, 2010, 8:59:32 AM	#34
EpitomeOfFailure Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 44 Not at lvl 20, that's for sure.	Awesome as ever! By the way, the article "Featured type: Dragon" mentions that either of Giratina´s STAB moves coupled with Aura Sphere nets unresisted coverage. The only mon resisting dragon+finghtning, Shedinja is actually sometimes used in Ubers, and might warrant a mention. Edit: lol'd at "That's like telling Jimbo to use quick attack..." ... feeling bad. That was a personal insult after all. __________________ Newsweek magazine ranked my home country the best one to live in? Hell yeah. Hey Trollfreak, how does being quirky wind up being a flaw? Last edited by EpitomeOfFailure; Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:12:44 AM.

Jun 17th, 2010, 12:35:43 PM	#36
*bojangles* IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE, Administrator** Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,885 Location: New York, NY Mentor	Just wanted to congratulate everybody on this amazing issue, and to say I'm sorry I couldn't be a bit more involved in its creation. The artwork is truly fantastic (icepick's tyranitar is too good ._.) and special thanks to jumpluff, the HTML queen, and the various writers who really give it their all (this means you guys, Erazor and Alchemator). Congrats! __________________ [12:47pm] TV-Rocka: I want to take a naked pic with just the tigres logo on my... [12:48pm] TV-Rocka: and well, no one of my friend want to take the photo

Jun 17th, 2010, 9:59:16 PM	#39
FlareBlitz This was never a story that would have a happy ending. Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,041 Somewhere on the edge of the bell curve	Echoing the others who said that the art was excellent. It really was. The Moltres art in particular was fantastic! __________________ Everything was beautiful. Nothing hurt. I'm back, baby. Look for me in 5th gen UU!

Jun 16th, 2010, 11:41:09 PM	#26
Sceats Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 561	ahah im still laughing at the caterpies expresion on the revenankh pic.

Jun 16th, 2010, 11:55:42 PM	#27
MegaKick Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,452 Out getting milk	Love it! The art was awesome. Very insightful, the double interview was awesome. Lazy Mekkah ;) P.S. I was the first to talk about ice defense hail boost. I posted it like 2 months ago in the black and white thread.

Jun 17th, 2010, 12:20:58 AM	#28
*Iconic Super Moderator** Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,784 Canadaland Mentor	This issue was a really great read! Good work to everyone involved.

Jun 17th, 2010, 3:56:42 AM	#31
Captain Snacks Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 19	That was a great read, I can tell a good bit of effort was put into this. Good job to everyone who contributed.

Jun 17th, 2010, 5:47:47 AM	#32
*Delko at the end of the game, the king and the pawn go into the same box Super Moderator** Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 2,961 Belgium Mentor	Great as always. I really liked the art this issue, keep up to good work ^^

Jun 17th, 2010, 5:56:59 AM	#33
Golden Sun Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,174 aus	Great Job Guys

Jun 17th, 2010, 4:27:45 PM	#37
King Louie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11	One of the best issues since the first ones. Really enjoyed the predictions for generation 5

Jun 17th, 2010, 9:49:43 PM	#38
Squirrel. Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 112	Nice job reverb on the underrated move sets that was an awesome article and it helped me and im sure will help others alot...Expect now people might acually prepare for agility luc :'(.....Lol awesome smog!

Jun 18th, 2010, 12:02:24 AM	#40
Staraptor Call Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,422 Avatar by Lorak	The art was especially good in this issue. For the last lead synergy set, it should be noted that Choice Scarf Breloom can be used in place of Roserade for a more accurate Sleep move without losing the ability to revenge-kill later in the game. Expert Belt Tyranitar also deserves a mention in the Underrated Movesets article, as it can net a huge number of surprise OHKOes on Scizor, Heatran, other Tyranitar, and more. __________________ ∩_∩ ¼_¼ φ_φ

Jun 18th, 2010, 5:47:23 AM	#41
KnightoftheWind Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,068 Way past cool	Excellent job to all the hard workers on another great issue of The Smog. __________________ To live a life of power, you must have faith that what you believe is right, even if others tell you you're wrong. The first thing you must do to live a life of power is to find courage. You must be ready to reach beyond the boundaries of Time itself. And to do that, all you need is the will to take that first step....

Jun 18th, 2010, 6:10:47 AM	#42
NightmareZ Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 72 Australia	I have a minor nitpick with the lead synergy article. Why not lead with metagross in the starmie/metagross combo, as it beats more of the 11 leads you posted then starmie does. I will assume my personal favourite set which is the lumgross with meteor mash, SR, bullet punch and explosion. Azelf: Metagross does better unless mash misses but hey its not as risky as hydro pumping Aerodactyl: Metagross Swampert: Starmie Metagross: Starmie Jirachi: probably metagross depends on their move choice and the set Infernape: Starmie Machamp: Metagross Roserade: Metagross Tyranitar: Metagross Gliscor: starmie Heatran: Starmie As you can see we sit at Starmie 5 and metagross 6 although starmie comes back further down the list which leaves us at the conclusion If you hate machamp, lead with metagross. Wow i answered my own question, awsome, however I would like scofield to give us a slightly larger insight. __________________

Jun 18th, 2010, 4:28:11 PM	#44
undisputed The greatest oak was once a little nut that held its ground Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,031 Came by a fork in the road, and went straight	Great job as always guys. The issues always leave me wanting more because they are excellent reads. I thought Phil and scofields battling strategy articles were especially well written. Maximizing chances at winning, although it's pretty obvious when you stop and think about it, is one of the most overlooked aspects of the game that I see on the ladder whenever I start on a fresh alt. Keep up the great work everyone! __________________

Jun 18th, 2010, 7:18:35 PM	#46
NightmareZ Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 72 Australia	Both Pokémon make excellent leads, but by leading with Starmie, it is easier to prevent Forretress and Skarmory leads, which are becoming more popular, from setting up entry hazards. I understand your reasoning however this doesnt say too much about momentum but no offense I was just curious. __________________

Jun 18th, 2010, 10:18:53 PM	#47
~~Sprinkles~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 987 #stark	when do we find out who won the trivia? and good job on this issue

Jun 19th, 2010, 2:50:48 AM	#48
Eraddd One Pixel Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,333	The list of the Smogon Premier league teams has an error: one team has all its players listed as assistant managers. Good issue.

Jun 19th, 2010, 3:40:12 AM	#49
Aeroblacktyl The pizza doesn't scream in the oven! LOL! Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 8,334	shit issue wheres my article __________________

Jun 19th, 2010, 12:06:44 PM	#50
MegaKick Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,452 Out getting milk	OK, I gotta admit, I read through phil's protips, and got to the bottom, and laughed at zerowings "tips". keepin the runnin gag from the last one going.