(Programming) Damage Calculator - Page 3

***RBG**** · Feb 11th, 2010, 1:58:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Shinedown_53

Leftovers has no effect on the damage calculation for me. Is this a bug or am I missing something, lol?

Leftovers does not effect how much damage is done.

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Originally Posted by Fat imapedarsag

Torrent doesn't work for me. I was using Blastoise vs. Skarmory if that matters. The damage was the same after I checked the ability box.
EDIT: Shouldn't abilities like Anger Point just boost their corresponding stat? Either way, Anger Point's boost needs to be entered in manually. I get the feeling the abilities are still being developed.

For torrent, you need to lower your HP to a point where the ability is activated.

And for Anger Point, we can't assume the boost is active, even if it has hat ability.

jc104 · Feb 11th, 2010, 4:40:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat jc104

I'm very surprised that no-one has noticed this, but at the moment the burn status is cutting special attack as well as attack

This seems to have been ignored.

david stone · Feb 12th, 2010, 7:44:58 PM

It would be helpful in some cases if the calculator could be forced to output all legal damages, not just the range of damages. In other words, r = 85, 86, ... 99, 100. They should probably show the probability of each occurring, because I'm assuming anyone who wants enough of a level of detail to show every legal damage probably also wants to know the probability weighting of each.

Darkmalice · Feb 17th, 2010, 7:22:07 AM

This is a very small issue, but in the damage calculator, Ho-Oh is missing the second capital.

Diesel · Feb 17th, 2010, 2:57:45 PM

I'm guessing this has been suggested before, but I didn't see it in this thread, so...

It'd be awesome if this calculated the probability of a #HKO, maybe even up to 4 or 5 (for the sake of thoroughness, if nothing else). A lot of the time you can "eyeball" it, but it would be really useful for finding specific EV spreads that achieve or prevent 2HKOes, etc. That's the only thing I still have to hop on Libelldra for, everything else is amazing.

david stone · Feb 18th, 2010, 3:46:41 PM

There's really no reason to limit it to 4 or 5HKO. You might as well make it actually NHKO. Type in the number of hits you want.

Wichu · Feb 22nd, 2010, 3:48:55 PM

There's no way to take into account a Flower Gift boost for either attacker or defender. I guess it probably works for Cherrim itself, but I can't see a way to select it for Cherrim's partner... If Helping Hand (a doubles-only move) is included, shouldn't Flower Gift's partner supporting effect also be there?

Oh, and I don't know whether this is a bug in the damage calculator or the defense EVs applet, but the results of them are inconsistent.
I used the defense EVs applet to calculate the best EVs for a lv50 Mr. Mime, focusing only on Sp. Def (with 290 EVs available), and it suggested I use 212 HP and 76 Sp. Def. However, using the damage calculator, I found that 220 HP and 68 Sp. Def is actually slightly more effective.
So clearly, there's a flaw in either the damage calculator or the defense EVs applet...

david stone · Feb 26th, 2010, 11:55:49 AM

For a given calculation a different spread might be slightly more effective. However, Pokemon rounds down at every point in the calculation, so another calculation would lead to slightly different optimal spreads.

jormungand201 · Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:10:53 PM

Don't know if this was mentioned, but Beat Up doesn't seem to register. Seeing that the damage is affected by the amount of remaining pokemon on your side, you'll have to create a section where you input the number of pokes that aren't KO'd. Seems like an awful waste of time for a move thats hardly used :/

Ferrouswheel · Apr 21st, 2010, 9:55:00 PM

I have a bug to report:

When you use keep preferences under in the preference window, it remembers the level that you set as default in the textbox, but it doesn't actually change the level of the actual pokes when you reload the calculator later, you have to manually hit enter again to get it to change.

Edit:

Also, the default level preference doesn't modify the pokemon aside from the first two.

And I'm using Google Chrome, and have cookies on, just to make that clear. I might not be using the calculator right, but I don't believe it's my browser.

eric the espeon · May 10th, 2010, 1:38:26 PM

Natural Gift does not show up in the move listings, which may or may not be intentional.

**NixHex** · Jun 16th, 2010, 1:21:51 PM

I tried calculating damage from a Rampardos' Earthquake to Levitate Bronzong which did 0 - 0%. Next I checked "Ability Effect" but no dice. Finally, I changed Bronzong's ability to Heatproof, then tried no immunity, which worked. This is a rather round-about way of doing it.

"Edit" While I was typing this I read the first page and saw that you mentioned Mold Breaker being a problem, so I was wondering if you had made any progress with this? And from a programming standpoint, this sounds like a HUGE pain in the ass.

***RBG**** · Jun 16th, 2010, 1:35:10 PM

You could click the no Immunity button under "Options" for simplier way around.

***DougJustDoug***** · Jun 19th, 2010, 2:30:18 PM

Read the Help for "Shared Options". Mold Breaker is mentioned specifically there, and it describes how to handle it.

VirtualKaraokeCircusAct · Jun 22nd, 2010, 11:57:51 PM

Hippopotas is listed twice in the list to select you're pokemon from.
edit: Actually it looks like every first form pokemon is listed twice. Is this intentional? It doesn't matter which one you select the moveset options are exactly the same.

Ray Jay · Jun 23rd, 2010, 12:54:21 PM

I was wondering if there's anyway to implement a Power Trick boost into the calculation. I played around with it a bit, and still couldn't get it. Is there a way around this, or does it need to be implemented?

Tyler · Jun 24th, 2010, 1:29:11 AM

Calculating a Blizzard and a Grass Knot from the same Abomasnow against the same Palkia results in one damage higher for max for Grass Knot over Blizzard despite both being 120 bp stab attacks.

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Im guessing it has something to do with finding Grass Knot's base power.

***DougJustDoug***** · Jun 30th, 2010, 12:39:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tyler422

Calculating a Blizzard and a Grass Knot from the same Abomasnow against the same Palkia results in one damage higher for max for Grass Knot over Blizzard despite both being 120 bp stab attacks.

Im guessing it has something to do with finding Grass Knot's base power.

Palkia is Water/Dragon.

Blizzard is NVE on Water, then it is SE on Dragon.
Grass Knot is SE on Water, then it is NVE on Dragon.

Most people think both moves are neutral on Palkia. That's true enough for casual conversation, but it is not technically true. In the damage formula, both multipliers are applied in sequence, rounding down between each operation. In most cases, the two multipliers effectively "nullify" each other perfectly. But depending on the exact numbers involved in the calc, the two moves actually can have a very slight difference in the final damage, due to the order of the damage calc and the rounding applied between each step.

This is not a mistake or bug in the Damage Calculator. It is the correct implementation of the damage formula.

Feb 12th, 2010, 7:44:58 PM	#53
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	It would be helpful in some cases if the calculator could be forced to output all legal damages, not just the range of damages. In other words, r = 85, 86, ... 99, 100. They should probably show the probability of each occurring, because I'm assuming anyone who wants enough of a level of detail to show every legal damage probably also wants to know the probability weighting of each. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 17th, 2010, 7:22:07 AM	#54
Darkmalice Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,174 Adelaide, Australia	This is a very small issue, but in the damage calculator, Ho-Oh is missing the second capital. __________________ Wanna play Doubles? Check it out here! Let's make this metagame official!

Feb 18th, 2010, 3:46:41 PM	#56
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	There's really no reason to limit it to 4 or 5HKO. You might as well make it actually NHKO. Type in the number of hits you want. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 22nd, 2010, 3:48:55 PM	#57
Wichu ACUPRESSURE Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,508 Cambridge, England	There's no way to take into account a Flower Gift boost for either attacker or defender. I guess it probably works for Cherrim itself, but I can't see a way to select it for Cherrim's partner... If Helping Hand (a doubles-only move) is included, shouldn't Flower Gift's partner supporting effect also be there? Oh, and I don't know whether this is a bug in the damage calculator or the defense EVs applet, but the results of them are inconsistent. I used the defense EVs applet to calculate the best EVs for a lv50 Mr. Mime, focusing only on Sp. Def (with 290 EVs available), and it suggested I use 212 HP and 76 Sp. Def. However, using the damage calculator, I found that 220 HP and 68 Sp. Def is actually slightly more effective. So clearly, there's a flaw in either the damage calculator or the defense EVs applet... __________________

Feb 26th, 2010, 11:55:49 AM	#58
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	For a given calculation a different spread might be slightly more effective. However, Pokemon rounds down at every point in the calculation, so another calculation would lead to slightly different optimal spreads. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 17th, 2010, 2:57:45 PM	#55
Diesel Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,945 Reach	I'm guessing this has been suggested before, but I didn't see it in this thread, so... It'd be awesome if this calculated the probability of a #HKO, maybe even up to 4 or 5 (for the sake of thoroughness, if nothing else). A lot of the time you can "eyeball" it, but it would be really useful for finding specific EV spreads that achieve or prevent 2HKOes, etc. That's the only thing I still have to hop on Libelldra for, everything else is amazing.

Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:10:53 PM	#59
jormungand201 Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43	Don't know if this was mentioned, but Beat Up doesn't seem to register. Seeing that the damage is affected by the amount of remaining pokemon on your side, you'll have to create a section where you input the number of pokes that aren't KO'd. Seems like an awful waste of time for a move thats hardly used :/

Apr 21st, 2010, 9:55:00 PM	#60
Ferrouswheel Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 805 Riding a Ferriswheel	I have a bug to report: When you use keep preferences under in the preference window, it remembers the level that you set as default in the textbox, but it doesn't actually change the level of the actual pokes when you reload the calculator later, you have to manually hit enter again to get it to change. Edit: Also, the default level preference doesn't modify the pokemon aside from the first two. And I'm using Google Chrome, and have cookies on, just to make that clear. I might not be using the calculator right, but I don't believe it's my browser. __________________ There is nothing to fear, but fear itself, and the ghost of FDR. Last edited by Ferrouswheel; Apr 21st, 2010 at 10:09:52 PM.

May 10th, 2010, 1:38:26 PM	#61
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	Natural Gift does not show up in the move listings, which may or may not be intentional. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Jun 16th, 2010, 1:35:10 PM	#63
*RBG It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. Super Moderator** Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,229 Home: Goshen Scout Reservation	You could click the no Immunity button under "Options" for simplier way around.

Jun 19th, 2010, 2:30:18 PM	#64
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	Read the Help for "Shared Options". Mold Breaker is mentioned specifically there, and it describes how to handle it. __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

Jun 22nd, 2010, 11:57:51 PM	#65
VirtualKaraokeCircusAct Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,208	Hippopotas is listed twice in the list to select you're pokemon from. edit: Actually it looks like every first form pokemon is listed twice. Is this intentional? It doesn't matter which one you select the moveset options are exactly the same. __________________ Yeah I thought about snorting them, will probably try it if normal ingestion isn't enough. And no I never touched a raccoon, but I somtimes pretend my cat is one.

Jun 23rd, 2010, 12:54:21 PM	#66
Ray Jay Clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,507	I was wondering if there's anyway to implement a Power Trick boost into the calculation. I played around with it a bit, and still couldn't get it. Is there a way around this, or does it need to be implemented? __________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. Katakiri: How did you even get into this university?

Jun 24th, 2010, 1:29:11 AM	#67
Tyler No Longer Live Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 631 Honey Badger don't give a shit.	Calculating a Blizzard and a Grass Knot from the same Abomasnow against the same Palkia results in one damage higher for max for Grass Knot over Blizzard despite both being 120 bp stab attacks. export text species=Abomasnow ability=Snow Warning nature=Quiet heldItem=Focus Sash level=50 attackEV=4 spAttackEV=252 speedEV=252 moveName=Grass Knot --- species=Palkia ability=Pressure nature=Timid heldItem=Haban Berry level=50 hpEV=4 species=Abomasnow ability=Snow Warning nature=Quiet heldItem=Focus Sash level=50 attackEV=4 spAttackEV=252 speedEV=252 moveName=Blizzard --- species=Palkia ability=Pressure nature=Timid heldItem=Haban Berry level=50 hpEV=4 Im guessing it has something to do with finding Grass Knot's base power.