"Research" opportunies/Drone lab work for fresh HS grad?

Berserker · Jul 9th, 2010, 10:17:27 AM

Anyone know how to get an internship/research opportunity as a fresh high school graduate in a science/research facility? I know colleges offer those summer internship programs (ie. UC Davis COSMOS) but what kinds of volunteer/etc. opportunities are there for an 18 year old with no (scientific) job experience? I live in the Boston area btw.

Also, for undergrads, how the hell do you get a research opportunity with a professor/graduate students? I read about freshmen doing lab work with professors and the like all the time. How do you qualify? I have the right knowledge of math, chemistry, and physics (but only limited to what a junior learns in university) plus knowledge of how to handle basic applications like PCR, DNA sequencing, and everything else every high schooler knows, I just don't have the resume. What kind of things should I have if I apply to such a position (CAD models, etc.)?

MrIndigo · Jul 9th, 2010, 9:58:08 PM

Almost every research job I know of is PhD minimum. If you want to do research projects it's usually done through your college as a student, as almost every university has a lab component for science degrees, and often you can substitute the standard lab program for research under one of the professors.

cim · Jul 9th, 2010, 10:01:13 PM

Should have looked in March, not July.

You get research in college by going to the college, finding professors doing interesting work, and asking nicely.

***chaos***** · Jul 9th, 2010, 10:17:05 PM

I spent two summers in the National Science Foundation's Research Experience for Undergraduates program. They pay you to go to another university, get you a research mentor for the summer, etc. I had a lot of fun.

As for doing work at your own school, get to know your professors? Show that your research interests align? Talk to your academic adviser.

Luminouzz · Jul 11th, 2010, 9:21:13 PM

I'm a high school junior, but I've had some research experience, so I'll try to help out.

The best possible way would be getting to know one of your college professors and inquiring about his or her research interests. Hopefully, they'll have an open spot for you.

You can also try programs that provide science mentors. There are a few well known ones around.

Also, try contacting professors whose work interests you. This often works out better than expected. Professors can always use a drone lab work, and you'll probably pick up a little on the research side. Emphasize your enthusiasm for their subject and research area :)

TAY · Jul 11th, 2010, 9:35:44 PM

Just e-mail a professor saying "hey I'm interested in your area of research, do you need any help from an undergrad?" Several of my friends have gotten on board research projects that way, and one now has a job and an offer for grad school.

Something of note is that this is not the same process as applying for a job, as you seems to believe - if the professor needs help (likely with menial stuff at first, but experience will come quickly!) the he or she will take it. It turns out that in the academic world people appreciate free labor. You might have some trouble with no class experience, but once you have taken some classes it shouldn't be too difficult.

If the professor says he or she doesn't need help, it's no big deal. You can just e-mail another one.

Also it might help to know what field you are interested in.

Waytoo · Jul 11th, 2010, 10:59:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TAY

Just e-mail a professor saying "hey I'm interested in your area of research, do you need any help from an undergrad?" Several of my friends have gotten on board research projects that way, and one now has a job and an offer for grad school.

This is the best advice. I'm in college now but when I was in high school I got into a college laboratory by emailing, and actually talking in person to, professors at nearby colleges. In fact, I met my major advisor (biology) but working in his lab my junior year of high school.

Myzozoa · Jul 12th, 2010, 3:30:03 AM

I have some advice based on doing research at UCI while I was in high school during the summers. Pretty much the most important thing is to know what you're actually getting into. The first year I did it I wasn't really assertive in regards to doing what I actually wanted to be doing (you may or may not have the luxury of choosing where you are placed) and I ended up reading CT Scans of dead people all fucking summer for like literally 7 hours each day. It was very boring and unsatisfying. So you need to make sure you end up doing something you actually enjoy or you'll go crazy. Common sense maybe, but keep it in mind.

Berserker · Jul 20th, 2010, 1:48:09 PM

Thanks for the answers. It's been a while since I've checked, but I was wondering if any engineering/comp sci/science majors had any experience with MATLAB. Is it a valuable skill that intern employers/researchers look for in undergrads? What specific field in MATLAB or any other programming language/science skill is useful, or makes you 'scarce'?

mtr · Jul 20th, 2010, 6:32:17 PM

What TAY said.

I would like to add that you should make an effort to show the guy that you didn't just C/P a message. Write his name, maybe a bit about yourself, your major, your career goals, etc, and mention the field he works in.

Of course, some people suggest that you actually read a paper the professor wrote and talk about it, but IMO that's wayyyyy to time consuming to do on a large scale (and I mean large scale, you should probably email like 50 profs to get like 2 callbacks).

MATLAB experience is a huge bonus for a field in sciences/engineering from my experience.

FearZeCrawdaunt · Jul 22nd, 2010, 6:21:25 AM

Lab experience is a huge plus. Ever made an SDS PAGE gel plate? Ever taken a mortar and pestle and ground onion mulch with sand in it (it's not hard...). Ever handled/added Bromalain Blue as a dye to count cells, or prepared a cell culture for cryopreservation with glycerol or DMSO, or applied cell cultures to agar plates?

None of this is particularly hard. But having that kind of experience means very little training time, and it also means you know proper lab procedures. You'll cover most of the procedures (and more) in any first and/or second year Biology course, and likewise for similar labwork in chemistry. Without it, you'd probably find it difficult to get a job in a lab without knowing someone on the inside.

A great suggestion though, is just ask your university if there's work experience available, and I'm sure they could help point you in the right direction. And, like others have said multiple times, email professors and make it genuine.

~~Morm~~ · Jul 22nd, 2010, 6:58:13 PM

go in and introduce yourself, offer to volunteer and then when sometimes paid comes up you may just win.

Pretty much though you must go to university. Undergrad in progress minimum, usually 4th or sometimes 3rd year.

Jul 9th, 2010, 10:17:27 AM	#1
Berserker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 259 Dinaric Alps	"Research" opportunies/Drone lab work for fresh HS grad? Anyone know how to get an internship/research opportunity as a fresh high school graduate in a science/research facility? I know colleges offer those summer internship programs (ie. UC Davis COSMOS) but what kinds of volunteer/etc. opportunities are there for an 18 year old with no (scientific) job experience? I live in the Boston area btw. Also, for undergrads, how the hell do you get a research opportunity with a professor/graduate students? I read about freshmen doing lab work with professors and the like all the time. How do you qualify? I have the right knowledge of math, chemistry, and physics (but only limited to what a junior learns in university) plus knowledge of how to handle basic applications like PCR, DNA sequencing, and everything else every high schooler knows, I just don't have the resume. What kind of things should I have if I apply to such a position (CAD models, etc.)?

Jul 9th, 2010, 10:01:13 PM	#3
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,366 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	Should have looked in March, not July. You get research in college by going to the college, finding professors doing interesting work, and asking nicely. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it

Jul 9th, 2010, 10:17:05 PM	#4
*chaos* chaos Administrator** Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8,705	I spent two summers in the National Science Foundation's Research Experience for Undergraduates program. They pay you to go to another university, get you a research mentor for the summer, etc. I had a lot of fun. As for doing work at your own school, get to know your professors? Show that your research interests align? Talk to your academic adviser. __________________ !gabite fierce: y'd u mute me?? !gabite fierce: eh bro?? !gabite fierce: u scared that i might bash u cuz u r not replying? ~chaos: you can't honestly think that is the reason lol !gabite fierce: tell me the reason oh is it cuz of bolding the writing? !gabite fierce: eh? !gabite fierce: u scared again?

Jul 11th, 2010, 9:21:13 PM	#5
Luminouzz Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 497 CA	I'm a high school junior, but I've had some research experience, so I'll try to help out. The best possible way would be getting to know one of your college professors and inquiring about his or her research interests. Hopefully, they'll have an open spot for you. You can also try programs that provide science mentors. There are a few well known ones around. Also, try contacting professors whose work interests you. This often works out better than expected. Professors can always use a drone lab work, and you'll probably pick up a little on the research side. Emphasize your enthusiasm for their subject and research area :) __________________ FC - 3394 4329 4673 Thanks to Lorak for the avatar.

Jul 11th, 2010, 9:35:44 PM	#6
TAY You and I Know Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,543 San Diego, CA	Just e-mail a professor saying "hey I'm interested in your area of research, do you need any help from an undergrad?" Several of my friends have gotten on board research projects that way, and one now has a job and an offer for grad school. Something of note is that this is not the same process as applying for a job, as you seems to believe - if the professor needs help (likely with menial stuff at first, but experience will come quickly!) the he or she will take it. It turns out that in the academic world people appreciate free labor. You might have some trouble with no class experience, but once you have taken some classes it shouldn't be too difficult. If the professor says he or she doesn't need help, it's no big deal. You can just e-mail another one. Also it might help to know what field you are interested in. __________________ ...said the Mock Turtle, "why, if a fish came to me, and told me he was going a journey, I should say 'With what porpoise?'" "Don't you mean 'purpose'?" said Alice. "I mean what I say," the Mock Turtle replied in an offended tone. And the Gryphon added `Come, let's hear some of your adventures.'

Jul 9th, 2010, 9:58:08 PM	#2
MrIndigo Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,193 NSW, Australia	Almost every research job I know of is PhD minimum. If you want to do research projects it's usually done through your college as a student, as almost every university has a lab component for science degrees, and often you can substitute the standard lab program for research under one of the professors.

Jul 12th, 2010, 3:30:03 AM	#8
Myzozoa Buffalo Soldier Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,106 It could be anywhere most likely could be any frontier any hemisphere	I have some advice based on doing research at UCI while I was in high school during the summers. Pretty much the most important thing is to know what you're actually getting into. The first year I did it I wasn't really assertive in regards to doing what I actually wanted to be doing (you may or may not have the luxury of choosing where you are placed) and I ended up reading CT Scans of dead people all fucking summer for like literally 7 hours each day. It was very boring and unsatisfying. So you need to make sure you end up doing something you actually enjoy or you'll go crazy. Common sense maybe, but keep it in mind. __________________ The simplicity of the ghostlike beast The purity of what he wants And where it goes Always love Always loves you Always loves with, infrared love

Jul 20th, 2010, 1:48:09 PM	#9
Berserker Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 259 Dinaric Alps	Thanks for the answers. It's been a while since I've checked, but I was wondering if any engineering/comp sci/science majors had any experience with MATLAB. Is it a valuable skill that intern employers/researchers look for in undergrads? What specific field in MATLAB or any other programming language/science skill is useful, or makes you 'scarce'?

Jul 20th, 2010, 6:32:17 PM	#10
mtr Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,754	What TAY said. I would like to add that you should make an effort to show the guy that you didn't just C/P a message. Write his name, maybe a bit about yourself, your major, your career goals, etc, and mention the field he works in. Of course, some people suggest that you actually read a paper the professor wrote and talk about it, but IMO that's wayyyyy to time consuming to do on a large scale (and I mean large scale, you should probably email like 50 profs to get like 2 callbacks). MATLAB experience is a huge bonus for a field in sciences/engineering from my experience. __________________ Huehuehue

Jul 22nd, 2010, 6:21:25 AM	#11
FearZeCrawdaunt Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 393 Victoria, BC	Lab experience is a huge plus. Ever made an SDS PAGE gel plate? Ever taken a mortar and pestle and ground onion mulch with sand in it (it's not hard...). Ever handled/added Bromalain Blue as a dye to count cells, or prepared a cell culture for cryopreservation with glycerol or DMSO, or applied cell cultures to agar plates? None of this is particularly hard. But having that kind of experience means very little training time, and it also means you know proper lab procedures. You'll cover most of the procedures (and more) in any first and/or second year Biology course, and likewise for similar labwork in chemistry. Without it, you'd probably find it difficult to get a job in a lab without knowing someone on the inside. A great suggestion though, is just ask your university if there's work experience available, and I'm sure they could help point you in the right direction. And, like others have said multiple times, email professors and make it genuine.

Jul 22nd, 2010, 6:58:13 PM	#12
~~Morm~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,253 not here, thank god	go in and introduce yourself, offer to volunteer and then when sometimes paid comes up you may just win. Pretty much though you must go to university. Undergrad in progress minimum, usually 4th or sometimes 3rd year.