NOOB STALL TEAM needs help!

Daaniel23 · Jul 24th, 2010, 6:42:49 AM

INTRODUCTION.
Hey Guys, it's Daaniel23 and im postiong my 2nd RMT ever (:, anyway. I recenyly made a new stall team that does not seem like its working.. Most pokemon feell out of place and most of them probably are thus the reason why im making this post.

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf.
Ability: Sandstream.
EVS: 252 hp / 32 atk / 224 spD.
Nature: Adamant.
~Stealth Rocks.
~Crunch.
~Stone Edge
~Earthqauke.

Description.
Well obviously is my lead, which i use because of its sandstream (and yes i know that most of my pokemon get hurt by it aswell) Well i basiclly just want to set up sandstorm and stealth rocks and then switch and use later as a revenge killer.. dont really have anything else to say about this guy.

Blissey @ Leftovers.
Ability: Natural Cure.
EVS: 252hp / 252 def / 4 spe.
Nature: Bold.
~Seismic Toss.
~Ice Beam/Flamethrower.
~Thunderwave
~Softboiled.

Description.
Hmm well basicly i bring this in to cripple the opponent with toxic so that now i have sandstorm + stealth rocks + and now i have one pokemon crippled due to paralyze than i basicly stall and do as much damage as i can and usually switch into skarmory to set up spikes and then roar the fuck out of the opponent.

Skarmory @ Leftovers? wanna change ?
Ability: sturdy? keen eye?
EVS: 252hp / 72 def / 184 spe.
Nature: Impish.
~Taunt?
~Toxic.
~Spikes.
~Roar.

Description.
Firstly, Im thinking of changing? dunno, any ideas.
Well i usually just bring in to set up spikes and toxix if not yet paralyzed then roar and sometimes taunt (Taunt NOT NEEDED!). Pretty much just annoy my opponent with roar as much as i can and do as much damage as i can.

Suicune @ Leftovers.
Ability: Pressure.
EVS: 32hp / 252 spA / 224 spe.
Nature: Timid.
~Substitute.
~Calm Mind.
~Surf.
~Hidden Power Electric.

Description.
This is my defensive/offensive sucuine depends what situation i am in, if i am losing a fight i usually bring him in and sub+CM, works really well if i bring him in on a good switch in. timid nature is for the speed boost so i dont need to worry about speed. HP electric for bulky waters.

Breloom @ Toxic Orb. thinking of changing?
Ability: Poison Heal.
EVS: 12hp / 252atk/ 244 speed.
Nature: Adamant.
~Spore.
~Focus Punch.
~Seed Bomb.
~Stone Edge.

Description.
Well Breloom, what can i say obviously i just spore as fast as possible than focus punch and sometimes stone edge if i feel like opponents going to switch. Seed bomb for rocks and waters. not much else i can say.

Arcanine @ Choice Band.
Ability: Intimidate.
EVS: 252atk / 4 spD / 252 speed.
Nature: Jolly.
~Flare Blitz.
~Extreme Speed.
~ThunderFang.
~Iron Head.

Description.
suggestions on changing?.. Arcanine is really just here for my lacking of a fire type and could'nt really find anything else to use. Arcanine is mainly my revenge killer usually ko most pokemon excluding threats with rocks or spikes up when using extremspeed.
Thunderfang is for waters that switch in, and iron head will usually 3ko most pokemon with a 30% flinch rate which i rely on alot.

End notes.
I'm really sorry guys for the short descriptions but its all i could think of since im tired. Anyway feel free to critizize this team and im looking forward to seeing your thoughts..

Thankyou.

Slater · Jul 24th, 2010, 6:49:32 AM

I'M guessing the reason why your stall feels out of place is because breloom and arcanine are pretty far from stall ill edit with suggestions later

EDIT:why not replace arcanine with heatran who is fareley bulky with high special attack and great typing and then add gliscor Over breloom to be immune to ground moves thrown at ttrar heatran and blissey and and be immune to electric moves aimed at aimed at suicine and skarmory

coolking49 · Jul 24th, 2010, 6:54:57 AM

I would get another way to wear down the opponents, like toxic spikes. Try tentacruel over breloom.

You also need a ghost type to absorb fighting attacks and rapid spin.

I also would add a ground type because you have a couple electric weaknesses. Possibly hippodon

Daaniel23 · Jul 24th, 2010, 6:55:39 AM

coolking could you please tell me who i would replace?

dws93rd · Jul 24th, 2010, 7:12:14 AM

I agree with Slater to add Gliscor to your team. I would suggest putting Gliscor>Arcanine with this set http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/Gliscor#Stallbreaker

And putting a Celebi> Breloom with this sethttp://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/celebi#Defensive

Now, on Bliss put wish>softboiled because none of your Pokemon have recovery atm. And depending on what you give to Celebi maybe aromatherapy>thunder wave, if you don't give celebi heal bell.

On Skarm Whirlwind>Roar because roar can be stopped by soundproof Pokemon, namely Mr.Mime and Exploud.

On Tyranitar Stealth Rock with Choice Band doesn't make much sense even if you are going to switch becuase later on it becomes a waste of a slot. But it might not be that bad because the only thing you would need on there is pursuit, but crunch has the STAB. So, not that big of a deal.

Daaniel23 · Jul 24th, 2010, 7:15:06 AM

thanks guys i will be making the changes now.

@ dws93rd tyranitar is basicly a revenge killer all i need is stealth rocks and sandstorm and i switch.

eXeggutoraped · Jul 24th, 2010, 8:03:31 AM

you need a ghost to stop rapid spiners, swap arcanine for the rotom with heat wave.

That tyrantar looks impossible to use, your basically forcing yourself to switch. IMO i would scrap it and replace it with a toxic spiker, fortress and tentacruel are good. If you decide to use fortress, sand stream can work well together. The very least i would do is replace choice band with choice scarf and no lead with it.

ShadowMonkeyNinja987 · Jul 24th, 2010, 10:07:39 AM

If you want to keep Arcanine, you can do the Morning Glory thing from Smogon

Arcanine@ Leftovers
Intimidate
Adamant/Jolly
Flare Blitz
Extremespeed
Morning Sun
Will-o-Wisp/Toxic

Use 'wisp if your using a toxic spiker to burn anything that resists poison.

KingdomBlade · Jul 24th, 2010, 10:18:59 AM

One more thing, if you wan't your lead to set up rocks and have sand stream, a choice band TT would not work at all. If you really want to use TT, use this set if it's a revenge killer, because a scarf would be better:

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
~ Stone Edge
~ Crunch
~ Stealth Rock
~ Earthquake / Superpower

Or you could go a different route and use Hippowdon.

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Impish
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD
~ Earthquake
~ Slack Off
~ Stealth Rock
~ Roar / Toxic / Stone Edge / Ice Fang

ShadowMonkeyNinja987 · Jul 24th, 2010, 10:30:09 AM

Sorry, I forgot the EV's
120 HP 152 Atk 236 Spe

I agree with KingdomBlade on the Hippowdon lead, but it could maybe use stockpile for that last move.

kingken77 · Jul 24th, 2010, 11:00:29 AM

I agree with the using Rotom-h for a spinblocker, all stall teams need one. Heres the set
Rotom-h @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/168 Def/88 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Discharge/Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball
- Overheat
- Reflect/Will-O-Wisp

I use Discharge over Tbolt to inflict more status, and Reflect is much more reliable than WoW at crippling physical attackers, due to it cant miss and it works for your whole team, allowing another pokemon to switch in and not get raped by physical attacks.
Good Luck

Jul 24th, 2010, 6:42:49 AM	#1
Daaniel23 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	NOOB STALL TEAM needs help! INTRODUCTION. Hey Guys, it's Daaniel23 and im postiong my 2nd RMT ever (:, anyway. I recenyly made a new stall team that does not seem like its working.. Most pokemon feell out of place and most of them probably are thus the reason why im making this post. Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf. Ability: Sandstream. EVS: 252 hp / 32 atk / 224 spD. Nature: Adamant. ~Stealth Rocks. ~Crunch. ~Stone Edge ~Earthqauke. Description. Well obviously is my lead, which i use because of its sandstream (and yes i know that most of my pokemon get hurt by it aswell) Well i basiclly just want to set up sandstorm and stealth rocks and then switch and use later as a revenge killer.. dont really have anything else to say about this guy. Blissey @ Leftovers. Ability: Natural Cure. EVS: 252hp / 252 def / 4 spe. Nature: Bold. ~Seismic Toss. ~Ice Beam/Flamethrower. ~Thunderwave ~Softboiled. Description. Hmm well basicly i bring this in to cripple the opponent with toxic so that now i have sandstorm + stealth rocks + and now i have one pokemon crippled due to paralyze than i basicly stall and do as much damage as i can and usually switch into skarmory to set up spikes and then roar the fuck out of the opponent. Skarmory @ Leftovers? wanna change ? Ability: sturdy? keen eye? EVS: 252hp / 72 def / 184 spe. Nature: Impish. ~Taunt? ~Toxic. ~Spikes. ~Roar. Description. Firstly, Im thinking of changing? dunno, any ideas. Well i usually just bring in to set up spikes and toxix if not yet paralyzed then roar and sometimes taunt (Taunt NOT NEEDED!). Pretty much just annoy my opponent with roar as much as i can and do as much damage as i can. Suicune @ Leftovers. Ability: Pressure. EVS: 32hp / 252 spA / 224 spe. Nature: Timid. ~Substitute. ~Calm Mind. ~Surf. ~Hidden Power Electric. Description. This is my defensive/offensive sucuine depends what situation i am in, if i am losing a fight i usually bring him in and sub+CM, works really well if i bring him in on a good switch in. timid nature is for the speed boost so i dont need to worry about speed. HP electric for bulky waters. Breloom @ Toxic Orb. thinking of changing? Ability: Poison Heal. EVS: 12hp / 252atk/ 244 speed. Nature: Adamant. ~Spore. ~Focus Punch. ~Seed Bomb. ~Stone Edge. Description. Well Breloom, what can i say obviously i just spore as fast as possible than focus punch and sometimes stone edge if i feel like opponents going to switch. Seed bomb for rocks and waters. not much else i can say. Arcanine @ Choice Band. Ability: Intimidate. EVS: 252atk / 4 spD / 252 speed. Nature: Jolly. ~Flare Blitz. ~Extreme Speed. ~ThunderFang. ~Iron Head. Description. suggestions on changing?.. Arcanine is really just here for my lacking of a fire type and could'nt really find anything else to use. Arcanine is mainly my revenge killer usually ko most pokemon excluding threats with rocks or spikes up when using extremspeed. Thunderfang is for waters that switch in, and iron head will usually 3ko most pokemon with a 30% flinch rate which i rely on alot. End notes. I'm really sorry guys for the short descriptions but its all i could think of since im tired. Anyway feel free to critizize this team and im looking forward to seeing your thoughts.. Thankyou. Last edited by Daaniel23; Jul 24th, 2010 at 6:51:39 PM.

Jul 24th, 2010, 6:54:57 AM	#3
coolking49 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,700 India	I would get another way to wear down the opponents, like toxic spikes. Try tentacruel over breloom. You also need a ghost type to absorb fighting attacks and rapid spin. I also would add a ground type because you have a couple electric weaknesses. Possibly hippodon __________________ 1985, before the Iowa-Michigan game, Coach Fry sent a guard out to long snap during pregame punting warmups just to mess with Schembechler, then turned his back while the guard wildly snapped the ball over the punter's head, off the turf, and into the second row. Schembechler, watching the display, asked Fry, "You're not going to let that guy long snap today, are you?" Fry responded, "Coach Schembechler, I don't plan on punting." Go Hawkeyes

Jul 24th, 2010, 7:12:14 AM	#5
dws93rd Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 89 Cincinnati, Oh	I agree with Slater to add Gliscor to your team. I would suggest putting Gliscor>Arcanine with this set http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/Gliscor#Stallbreaker And putting a Celebi> Breloom with this sethttp://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/celebi#Defensive Now, on Bliss put wish>softboiled because none of your Pokemon have recovery atm. And depending on what you give to Celebi maybe aromatherapy>thunder wave, if you don't give celebi heal bell. On Skarm Whirlwind>Roar because roar can be stopped by soundproof Pokemon, namely Mr.Mime and Exploud. On Tyranitar Stealth Rock with Choice Band doesn't make much sense even if you are going to switch becuase later on it becomes a waste of a slot. But it might not be that bad because the only thing you would need on there is pursuit, but crunch has the STAB. So, not that big of a deal. __________________ ...

Jul 24th, 2010, 7:15:06 AM	#6
Daaniel23 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	thanks guys i will be making the changes now. @ dws93rd tyranitar is basicly a revenge killer all i need is stealth rocks and sandstorm and i switch. Last edited by Haunter; Jul 24th, 2010 at 9:05:22 AM. Reason: don't double post

Jul 24th, 2010, 11:00:29 AM	#11
kingken77 Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 50 Pennsylvania	I agree with the using Rotom-h for a spinblocker, all stall teams need one. Heres the set Rotom-h @ Leftovers Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 HP/168 Def/88 Spd Bold nature (+Def, -Atk) - Discharge/Thunderbolt - Shadow Ball - Overheat - Reflect/Will-O-Wisp I use Discharge over Tbolt to inflict more status, and Reflect is much more reliable than WoW at crippling physical attackers, due to it cant miss and it works for your whole team, allowing another pokemon to switch in and not get raped by physical attacks. Good Luck __________________ Ancient Greeks: (OU RMT) http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...13#post2829413 (Currently trying to make an OU Stall team, could use some help!)

Jul 24th, 2010, 6:49:32 AM	#2
Slater Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 55 The Dirtyy Desert	I'M guessing the reason why your stall feels out of place is because breloom and arcanine are pretty far from stall ill edit with suggestions later EDIT:why not replace arcanine with heatran who is fareley bulky with high special attack and great typing and then add gliscor Over breloom to be immune to ground moves thrown at ttrar heatran and blissey and and be immune to electric moves aimed at aimed at suicine and skarmory

Jul 24th, 2010, 6:55:39 AM	#4
Daaniel23 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 6	coolking could you please tell me who i would replace?

Jul 24th, 2010, 8:03:31 AM	#7
eXeggutoraped Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 51 melbourne, australia	you need a ghost to stop rapid spiners, swap arcanine for the rotom with heat wave. That tyrantar looks impossible to use, your basically forcing yourself to switch. IMO i would scrap it and replace it with a toxic spiker, fortress and tentacruel are good. If you decide to use fortress, sand stream can work well together. The very least i would do is replace choice band with choice scarf and no lead with it.

Jul 24th, 2010, 10:07:39 AM	#8
ShadowMonkeyNinja987 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 15 In a time not so long ago and a galaxy not far from here	If you want to keep Arcanine, you can do the Morning Glory thing from Smogon Arcanine@ Leftovers Intimidate Adamant/Jolly Flare Blitz Extremespeed Morning Sun Will-o-Wisp/Toxic Use 'wisp if your using a toxic spiker to burn anything that resists poison.

Jul 24th, 2010, 10:18:59 AM	#9
KingdomBlade Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 36 Philippines	One more thing, if you wan't your lead to set up rocks and have sand stream, a choice band TT would not work at all. If you really want to use TT, use this set if it's a revenge killer, because a scarf would be better: Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf Jolly EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe ~ Stone Edge ~ Crunch ~ Stealth Rock ~ Earthquake / Superpower Or you could go a different route and use Hippowdon. Hippowdon @ Leftovers Impish EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpD ~ Earthquake ~ Slack Off ~ Stealth Rock ~ Roar / Toxic / Stone Edge / Ice Fang

Jul 24th, 2010, 10:30:09 AM	#10
ShadowMonkeyNinja987 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 15 In a time not so long ago and a galaxy not far from here	Sorry, I forgot the EV's 120 HP 152 Atk 236 Spe I agree with KingdomBlade on the Hippowdon lead, but it could maybe use stockpile for that last move.