In-Game Tier List Discussion

Colonel M · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:04:14 PM

Remember kids: This is different from the competitive tier lists, but at the same time can be something amusing to discuss!

ALSO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE STOP POSTING YOUR GOD DAMNED TEAMS! WE. DON'T. CARE.

Neutral Tier

- Reshiram

- Zekrom

High Tier

Archen

Darumaka

Drilbur

Joltik

Lillipup

Oshawott

Petilil

Sandile

Sawk

Scraggy

Sigilyph

Tepig

Timburr (Access to Conkeldurr)

Throh

Tympole

Mid Tier

Axew

Basculin

Blitzle

Cobalion

Cottonee

Deerling

Druddigon

Ducklett

Durant

Dwebble

Elgyem

Emolga

Ferroseed

Frillish

Gothita

Klink

Litwick

Mienfoo

Minccino

Panpour

Pansage

Patrat

Roggenrola

Sewaddle

Snivy

Solosis

Terrakion

Thundurus

Timburr

Tirtouga

Vanillite

Venipede

Virizion

Low Tier

Alomamola

Audino

Bouffalant

Cryogonal

Cubchoo

Deino

Fooongus

Golett

Heatmor

Karrablast

Larvesta

Maractus

Munna

Pansear

Pawniard

Pidove

Purrloin

Rufflet

Shelmet

Stunfisk

Tornadus

Trubbish

Tynamo

Vullaby

Woobat

Yamask

Excluded

Zorua
Victini
Landorus
Kyurem
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect

NOTES:

When discussing Pokemon moving up / down, please give at least a brief argument with proof as to why.
You'll notice there are two different entries for some of the traded Pokemon. One assumes that trades are available, the other assumes that the player is doing a "no outside help" playthrough. Remember: THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH TRADES IS TO EVOLVE YOUR POKEMON! NOTHING MORE!
Reshiram / Zekhrom are "Neutral Tier". Don't discuss them. It's too Spoiler-ridden.
The list is currently in alphabetical order. THIS IS TEMPORARY. It is to help sort out the Mid and Lower Pokemon.
DO NOT TALK ABOUT YOUR TEAM! We don't care about it. This thread might.

So in here, remember: this isn't competitive stuff, it's in-game stuff. Discuss nicely kids!

IOS · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:13:41 PM

Hopefully we'll get route pokemon info soon.

From what I've seen, Darumakka comes around the second gym, making it a great early fire choice (and with great stats and movepool to boot). Meguroko and Moguryuu come around the third gym, both possessing excellent movepools and statistics as well.

I don't think we'll have a "Staraptor" this gen, but I'll look at some movepools a bit more.

AxelLow · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:16:06 PM

The three monkies ftw. They are so damn useful in the beginning.

Denchura · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:21:13 PM

Maybe edit the OP, add some sprites and order the easy to find pokes into Good, Useful, Bad tiers. That would be cool.

EvilMario · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:26:40 PM

The three Monkeys basically make the game-easy mode in the beginning.

I've had good luck with Munna (and evolution). It's an incredibly bulky Pokemon with good attack, although you'll have to resort to TMs (which are now unlimited) to go beyond Mono-Psychic. It receives multiple sleep inducing moves (Yawn, Hypnosis), and instant recovery (Moon Light). You can evolve it with Moon Stone at any time.

AxelLow · Sep 18th, 2010, 12:44:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat EvilMario

The three Monkeys basically make the game-easy mode in the beginning.

I've had good luck with Munna (and evolution). It's an incredibly bulky Pokemon with good attack, although you'll have to resort to TMs (which are now unlimited) to go beyond Mono-Psychic. It receives multiple sleep inducing moves (Yawn, Hypnosis), and instant recovery (Moon Light). You can evolve it with Moon Stone at any time.

Evil Mario says it all. With the right typings, I've been able to plow through the game so far with just my grass monkey, and pokabu's evolution. Im sure I'll hit troubles along the way, but these two alone have either solo'ed or just dominated so far.

I also agree that Munna isn't bad compared to the other starting out pokes. That rat terrier aien't bad either.

Insomniac. · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:13:33 PM

The monkeys should definatly be high tier. Cheer upx2-> Stab hits very hard.

Munna is very nice utitlity with some bulk, but gets assraped by choroneko.

Minezumi, ehh, it learns Cut?

Seaver gets a nice early stab.

Obsessed · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:21:20 PM

Smugleaf seems like he would be low tier. Defensive Pokemon just don't seem useful ingame.

Anyone care to rate the starters? I'm guessing the Fire starter is top tier thanks to excellent dual typing and good special attack/attack.

AxelLow · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:34:25 PM

Minezumi is essentially bidoof 2.0 to me, and as such, I grabbed him for the HM's only.

I agree that hte monkies are high tier when you give then cheer up. +2 from my current grass monkey allows it to OHKO sooo many things it's hilarious. Not to mention that with fury swipes early on I can practically dominate with decent coverage.

IMO, the fire starter is amazing, and works wonders in the beginning alongside the grass monkey. come lvl. 17 his dual typing is so epic that your pretty much already set for the next gym.

I hate smugleaf. With a burning passion. As soon as I fought against that thing, and it crossed it's arms as my fire pig couldn't burn it's ass at the time, I gre insta-hate for it. I also think it's stats are ass, IMO, but can be played around with. Not a great starter IMO.

Water starter I think is second best to my fire pig. It does indeed have great coverage, and can usually deal with alot of things in the starting portion (although other pokes are need to support it).

AzurAngelic · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:41:51 PM

I'm making an effort to capture as many pokemon as I can, so here's what I have so far.

Smugleaf: It works, definitely. Nothing really special, but I'm not too far in so I might not have gotten to the good stuff yet. Medium.

Aquamonkey: Kinda like Smugleaf: good, but not amazing. I plan to replace him with something else once I get the chance. Medium.

Minezumi: Haven't even tried using it, but a friend of mine keeps complaining it dies a lot. Low-Medium.

Yorterrie: Probably the closest to a Staraptor I've found. 60 base attack, early Bite, and decent speed. Definitely worth a shot, although he'll probably get replaced soon. High tier early on.

Choroneko: I tried, I really did. I literally could not get this thing past lv8, because it died so much. Dark isn't the greatest type for earlygame if you ask me, not to mention Yorterrie gets that awesome bite anyway. Low tier.

Munna: Definitely a good pokemon. Bulky as hell, and although it kinda sucks at first, once it gets Psybeam at lv11 it really starts ripping stuff up. Medium tier.

Mamepato: Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking. This thing gets literally no physical flying moves until Skyattack at, like, lv50. Lowish tier.

Tabunne: Yes, I somehow caught a Tabunne on route 2, and it gets pretty much no attacks. It'd be decent if you used it right, but imo ingame is all about attack, attack, attack.

Electrozebra: Frail, but if you can tough it out until lv11, Shockwave is surprisingly good against most things you fight early on. Medium tier.

Koromori: Yeah, psy/flying is probably the single worst type out of all the early stuff. Bites flying everywhere, nothing weak to psychic, Gust...blows. Low tier.

sims796 · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:47:16 PM

Is it possible to use Smugleaf ( :D ) and get the Grassmonkey? I really want a Grassmonkey. Grass r mai favs.

AzurAngelic · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:48:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sims796

Is it possible to use Smugleaf ( :D ) and get the Grassmonkey? I really want a Grassmonkey. Grass r mai favs.

You get whichever monkey your starter beats. Smugleaf gets Aquamonkey, Pignite gets Grassmonkey and Wotter gets Flaremonkey.

sims796 · Sep 18th, 2010, 1:50:09 PM

Aw, so that's the only occasion you can get an E-Monkey, then?

I'll make due with Water, as I don't mind it. So long as I don't get Fire, cause they suck.

Insomniac. · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:03:05 PM

Has anyone used the Gigiasu line yet? How is it? Would you use that or doryuzu early game?

AzurAngelic · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Insomniac.

Has anyone used the Gigiasu line yet? How is it? Would you use that or doryuzu early game?

Haven't gotten the chance to use Doryuuzu yet, but I will say this: baby Gigaiasu rock is absolutely amazing. Rock Blast rips apart pretty much everything, and it gets Headbutt at the start for extra coverage.

Also: captured the floppy tadpole, plank dude and red fighting duo guy to the left of the railroad town. Planning to use them against Aloe.

**Mario With Lasers** · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:13:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Obsessed

Smugleaf seems like he would be low tier. Defensive Pokemon just don't seem useful ingame.

Anyone care to rate the starters? I'm guessing the Fire starter is top tier thanks to excellent dual typing and good special attack/attack.

I'm by the first Gym, but Tsutarja is proving to be awesome until now. It simply doesn't die to anything (except to Firemonkey derp). I don't know for how long it will last, but at least it got Growth at lv13 so I believe it's going to be quite the cool tank ingame.

And Pokabu learns Boiling Water and Wild Bolt, if if wasn't so slow I'd say it's instant-high-tier lol

storm · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:20:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat AzurAngelic

You get whichever monkey your starter beats. Smugleaf gets Aquamonkey, Pignite gets Grassmonkey and Wotter gets Flaremonkey.

Wow i really wanted grass monkey and water starer for an ingame team that doesnt have trades(dont like using trades on my first playthrough, instead just exploring and seeing what i like as theirs so much new stuff) Oh well.

EpicTurtle · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:22:20 PM

I'll give my 2 cents, I don't know the jap names well, so bare with me.

Smugleaf: It's meh decent exp gain and decent move pools, It's middle tier.
The Doggy =D: Meh move pool, but it's exp gain is amazing and it's got good stats, High tier all the way!
Money Trio: Good for the first gym but after that it's exp gain is to low to be good.
Zebra: Frail, bad exp gain and no good moves for awhile. Just bad.
Bidoof Clone: Good HM slave, that's about it imo.
Rare pokemon that appears on every route and is pink + looks like a digimon (lol) : Eh it's not that good, rare yes but it lacks power.

sims796 · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:22:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat storm

Wow i really wanted grass monkey and water starer for an ingame team that doesnt have trades(dont like using trades on my first playthrough, instead just exploring and seeing what i like as theirs so much new stuff) Oh well.

Here's hoping you can find one in the wild later on.

storm · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:47:09 PM

From the looks of it there arent in decent ingame flying types earleir on? Is this true. You know since theres the hm fly...

Sixonesix · Sep 18th, 2010, 2:59:12 PM

Yeah, Dangoro is amazing in the beginning of the game. It gets Headbutt, Rock Blast, and really high defense (at a point where you take mostly physical attacks anyway). The only problem is it's so slow it can't run from most wild pokemon.

AxelLow · Sep 18th, 2010, 4:12:06 PM

IMO, if you level pokabu enough it'll solo the second gym easy after it evolves at 17. With just him and my grass monkey i've been doing fine. I can garuantee you though, that Dorzoryuu's is going to be amazing. Some of it's level ups down the line are nice. A agree about geodude 2.0 i.e. Dangoro being beastly in the beginning as well.

breh · Sep 18th, 2010, 5:27:23 PM

Well.... I'll add to this.

Grassbug is pretty cool. It gets two high power stabs (razor leaf and bug bite) and is pretty close to evolving once you get it (I think I got mine at around level 13; you can get it higher though and it evolves at 20).

Floppy tadpole is okay... not particularly great but still cool

Pokabu is amazing; Nitro Charge is ridiculously useful with the guaranteed speed boost and arm thrust is great vs. that bloody hypnomeerkat

Dangoro is cool just because it's a rock type; it doesn't have the greatest attack, though, and rock blast tends to do not that much damage against some of the sturdier pokes (terrier's second form, for example, needs to take like 12 hits from rock blast...). Mud Slap is a nice bonus, as is iron defence.

Finally, munna is cool because it gets psybeam so early on... pity it takes so long for CM, but munna's far from useless until then, especially with Psybeam and yawn/hypnosis. Moon stone is found pretty early, too.

Colonel M · Sep 18th, 2010, 6:43:38 PM

Yeah, I admit the other Monkeys seem fine, just the Fire one was disappointing to me.

Quote:

Maybe edit the OP, add some sprites and order the easy to find pokes into Good, Useful, Bad tiers. That would be cool.

Once we get more discussion going, I'll throw some of that cool stuff in. :P

Afti · Sep 18th, 2010, 6:57:54 PM

I've been using Dageki a bit, and I like it. Double Kick from 125 Attack at the second Gym? Yes please! And 85 Speed outruns almost everything at that point... It's rare, but if you find one use it.

Sep 18th, 2010, 12:26:40 PM	#5
EvilMario Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 573 Toronto, ON	The three Monkeys basically make the game-easy mode in the beginning. I've had good luck with Munna (and evolution). It's an incredibly bulky Pokemon with good attack, although you'll have to resort to TMs (which are now unlimited) to go beyond Mono-Psychic. It receives multiple sleep inducing moves (Yawn, Hypnosis), and instant recovery (Moon Light). You can evolve it with Moon Stone at any time. __________________ EM

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:22:20 PM	#18
EpicTurtle Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 429 Chompy for OU	I'll give my 2 cents, I don't know the jap names well, so bare with me. Smugleaf: It's meh decent exp gain and decent move pools, It's middle tier. The Doggy =D: Meh move pool, but it's exp gain is amazing and it's got good stats, High tier all the way! Money Trio: Good for the first gym but after that it's exp gain is to low to be good. Zebra: Frail, bad exp gain and no good moves for awhile. Just bad. Bidoof Clone: Good HM slave, that's about it imo. Rare pokemon that appears on every route and is pink + looks like a digimon (lol) : Eh it's not that good, rare yes but it lacks power. __________________ "If I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so that I can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." -1 Cor 13:2 "40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’" - Matthew 25:40 (ESV)

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:47:09 PM	#20
storm Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,453	From the looks of it there arent in decent ingame flying types earleir on? Is this true. You know since theres the hm fly... __________________ Friend Codes: Pearl: 1332 5487 4529 Plat: 3223 2722 3987 Storm's Trade Thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39577

Sep 18th, 2010, 5:27:23 PM	#23
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,941	Well.... I'll add to this. Grassbug is pretty cool. It gets two high power stabs (razor leaf and bug bite) and is pretty close to evolving once you get it (I think I got mine at around level 13; you can get it higher though and it evolves at 20). Floppy tadpole is okay... not particularly great but still cool Pokabu is amazing; Nitro Charge is ridiculously useful with the guaranteed speed boost and arm thrust is great vs. that bloody hypnomeerkat Dangoro is cool just because it's a rock type; it doesn't have the greatest attack, though, and rock blast tends to do not that much damage against some of the sturdier pokes (terrier's second form, for example, needs to take like 12 hits from rock blast...). Mud Slap is a nice bonus, as is iron defence. Finally, munna is cool because it gets psybeam so early on... pity it takes so long for CM, but munna's far from useless until then, especially with Psybeam and yawn/hypnosis. Moon stone is found pretty early, too. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Sep 18th, 2010, 12:13:41 PM	#2
IOS Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 89	Hopefully we'll get route pokemon info soon. From what I've seen, Darumakka comes around the second gym, making it a great early fire choice (and with great stats and movepool to boot). Meguroko and Moguryuu come around the third gym, both possessing excellent movepools and statistics as well. I don't think we'll have a "Staraptor" this gen, but I'll look at some movepools a bit more.

Sep 18th, 2010, 12:16:06 PM	#3
AxelLow Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 199	The three monkies ftw. They are so damn useful in the beginning.

Sep 18th, 2010, 12:21:13 PM	#4
Denchura Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 27	Maybe edit the OP, add some sprites and order the easy to find pokes into Good, Useful, Bad tiers. That would be cool.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:13:33 PM	#7
Insomniac. Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 282	The monkeys should definatly be high tier. Cheer upx2-> Stab hits very hard. Munna is very nice utitlity with some bulk, but gets assraped by choroneko. Minezumi, ehh, it learns Cut? Seaver gets a nice early stab.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:21:20 PM	#8
Obsessed Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 544	Smugleaf seems like he would be low tier. Defensive Pokemon just don't seem useful ingame. Anyone care to rate the starters? I'm guessing the Fire starter is top tier thanks to excellent dual typing and good special attack/attack.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:34:25 PM	#9
AxelLow Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 199	Minezumi is essentially bidoof 2.0 to me, and as such, I grabbed him for the HM's only. I agree that hte monkies are high tier when you give then cheer up. +2 from my current grass monkey allows it to OHKO sooo many things it's hilarious. Not to mention that with fury swipes early on I can practically dominate with decent coverage. IMO, the fire starter is amazing, and works wonders in the beginning alongside the grass monkey. come lvl. 17 his dual typing is so epic that your pretty much already set for the next gym. I hate smugleaf. With a burning passion. As soon as I fought against that thing, and it crossed it's arms as my fire pig couldn't burn it's ass at the time, I gre insta-hate for it. I also think it's stats are ass, IMO, but can be played around with. Not a great starter IMO. Water starter I think is second best to my fire pig. It does indeed have great coverage, and can usually deal with alot of things in the starting portion (although other pokes are need to support it).

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:41:51 PM	#10
AzurAngelic Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3	I'm making an effort to capture as many pokemon as I can, so here's what I have so far. Smugleaf: It works, definitely. Nothing really special, but I'm not too far in so I might not have gotten to the good stuff yet. Medium. Aquamonkey: Kinda like Smugleaf: good, but not amazing. I plan to replace him with something else once I get the chance. Medium. Minezumi: Haven't even tried using it, but a friend of mine keeps complaining it dies a lot. Low-Medium. Yorterrie: Probably the closest to a Staraptor I've found. 60 base attack, early Bite, and decent speed. Definitely worth a shot, although he'll probably get replaced soon. High tier early on. Choroneko: I tried, I really did. I literally could not get this thing past lv8, because it died so much. Dark isn't the greatest type for earlygame if you ask me, not to mention Yorterrie gets that awesome bite anyway. Low tier. Munna: Definitely a good pokemon. Bulky as hell, and although it kinda sucks at first, once it gets Psybeam at lv11 it really starts ripping stuff up. Medium tier. Mamepato: Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking. This thing gets literally no physical flying moves until Skyattack at, like, lv50. Lowish tier. Tabunne: Yes, I somehow caught a Tabunne on route 2, and it gets pretty much no attacks. It'd be decent if you used it right, but imo ingame is all about attack, attack, attack. Electrozebra: Frail, but if you can tough it out until lv11, Shockwave is surprisingly good against most things you fight early on. Medium tier. Koromori: Yeah, psy/flying is probably the single worst type out of all the early stuff. Bites flying everywhere, nothing weak to psychic, Gust...blows. Low tier.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:47:16 PM	#11
sims796 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Is it possible to use Smugleaf ( :D ) and get the Grassmonkey? I really want a Grassmonkey. Grass r mai favs.

Sep 18th, 2010, 1:50:09 PM	#13
sims796 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Aw, so that's the only occasion you can get an E-Monkey, then? I'll make due with Water, as I don't mind it. So long as I don't get Fire, cause they suck.

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:03:05 PM	#14
Insomniac. Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 282	Has anyone used the Gigiasu line yet? How is it? Would you use that or doryuzu early game?

Sep 18th, 2010, 2:59:12 PM	#21
Sixonesix Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,592	Yeah, Dangoro is amazing in the beginning of the game. It gets Headbutt, Rock Blast, and really high defense (at a point where you take mostly physical attacks anyway). The only problem is it's so slow it can't run from most wild pokemon.

Sep 18th, 2010, 4:12:06 PM	#22
AxelLow Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 199	IMO, if you level pokabu enough it'll solo the second gym easy after it evolves at 17. With just him and my grass monkey i've been doing fine. I can garuantee you though, that Dorzoryuu's is going to be amazing. Some of it's level ups down the line are nice. A agree about geodude 2.0 i.e. Dangoro being beastly in the beginning as well.

Sep 18th, 2010, 6:57:54 PM	#25
Afti Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 247	I've been using Dageki a bit, and I like it. Double Kick from 125 Attack at the second Gym? Yes please! And 85 Speed outruns almost everything at that point... It's rare, but if you find one use it.