Sacred Sword

SOMALIA · Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:46:52 AM

Attack Name: Sacred sword[Physical attack]

Base Power: 90

Power points: 20

Accuracy: 100%

Effect: Deals damage to the opponent negating/Ignoring any stat changes.

Pokemon that learn 'Sacred Sword' via levelling up:

-Kobaruon
-Terakion
-Birijion
-Kerudio

Seeing this move and also noting Terakion's massive base attack stats of 129 combined with STAB, you'll be seeing this almost too frequently is my guess. the other 3 pokemon have decent enough Attack power to use it efficiently.
It's effect is amazing simply because you can revenge kill anything even after they set up a several curses such as Cradily/Swampert/Snorlax etc.

-Stone edge
-Swords Dance/Rock Polish
-Sacred Sword/Close combat
-Earthquake
252ATT/252SPEED/4HP *Adamant(If using rock polish) or Jolly.

So what are your thoughts on this new devastating move guys??

doomvendingmachine · Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:50:12 AM

I still think terakion will run close combat for the power unless your team has specific problems with defensive stat uppers.

druin · Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:52:04 AM

Seems very situational to me - the 33% power increase provided by Close Combat is too much to pass up. Barring Cradily, defense-boosting mons can be Roared anyway. A good alternative to those that do not have access to CC though.

Also useless for use with Bulk-up/SDance, as I'm assuming those boosts are negated too.

Shimrit As · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:01:15 AM

Seeing that all four users have access to Close Combat which presents itself as a much more powerful sweeping tool, Sacred Sword would have limited appeal. However, Birijion might have the greatest use for it, seeing as it enjoys being bulky and won't want to lower its defences with CC, and it needs a Fighting STAB to deal with the Dark types it walls.

SOMALIA · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:20:56 AM

I guess it might be used for offensive teams without a hazer/phazer, put simply. In addition to that 'Sacred sword' provides something that doesn't lower the defensive stats as all 4 pokemon have respectable bulk.

deuxhero · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:22:31 AM

Does negating meaning "haze" or "ignoring"?

And why is there a sword move that Marowak can't learn?

Atomsage · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:39:04 AM

The only one that should use Close Combat is Terakion. Sacred Sword is better for Kobaruon and Birijion since the two are more defensive and can't afford the defense drops. Kerudio is better off with Sword of Mystery.

~~bubbly~~ · Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:08:50 AM

Hmmm, people are confusing the legendaries with Lucario. Lucario isn't built for sticking around.
I can see this having a lot of utility on offensive teams as you say, particularly for things like Cradily which can be otherwise impossible to get rid of. Close Combat has a massive power advantage, but its sort of like comparing Hydro Pump to Surf - except that accuracy isn't a factor, Hydro Pump lowers both defenses, and Surf hits disregarding stat boosts. IMO thats enough to make using "Surf" worthwhile!

Wafflez · Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:09:33 AM

Yah i would also agree with the fact that Kobaruon and Birijion are better off with this move.Im pretty sure Terakion would prefer the raw power output of CC tho seeing as it probably needs it for a lot of the k0s.I suppose could work as a makeshift phazing move.
Pretty kool..

More Cowbell · Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:47:35 AM

Well, it depends if defensive stat-uppers will be popular, but I doubt that. If they will, though, Sacred Sword might find some use, though CC will probably be used more.

I could also see it being used on fragile Pokémon who wish to stay in for maybe one extra turn. The defence srops from CC kinda hurt, sometimes.

SOMALIA · Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:30:15 AM

Like I said these pokemon have excellent defensive stats so why waste it using cc? Also with swords dance at it's disposal, I don't think Close combat would be seen on Terakion often.

Arc Tech · Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:37:27 AM

Too situational. Whille the new mons do have excellent defensive stats, the 33% increase in power from cc is more imprtant when sweeping (unless you're going the slow boosting, bulky route). And by its description, it seems like it might ignore your stat boosts anyway, meaning it's useless on setuppers.

Atomsage · Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:43:29 AM

The move ignores opponent stat changes not yours.

h0llygh0st · Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:52:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Atomsage

The move ignores opponent stat changes not yours.

Who says your stat changes will affect it? If I get this right it also means that the ability intimidate is useless against mons using this move. And secondary effects upon the user such as a accuracy drop would also be useless...

SOMALIA · Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:21:27 PM

I think It'll be safe to assume for now that any stat changes the opponent gets.(Any stat boosts). Intimidate , I doubt that will be negated by this move, if sacred sword was an ability it would make sense to negate stat reducing abilities.

revdjweb · Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:26:48 PM

looks like a tweener move: weaker than close combat, stronger than brick break

lumpor · Sep 23rd, 2010, 1:25:23 PM

It IS the perfect curselax counter.
And yes, people often forget the negative effect of close combat.

TacoBot · Sep 23rd, 2010, 1:28:31 PM

I view this as Zankantou cleaving all those Cursers For Great ~~Damage~~Justice.

Noble Cactus · Sep 23rd, 2010, 2:06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat deuxhero

Does negating meaning "haze" or "ignoring"?

And why is there a sword move that Marowak can't learn?

More like, what about Gallade? Though admittedly, he's probably better off with CC because his Defense is so low.

joker120 · Sep 23rd, 2010, 3:10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Noble Cactus

More like, what about Gallade? Though admittedly, he's probably better off with CC because his Defense is so low.

What about daikenki the samurai who has sword on his fore legs. Sacredsword screams samurai . hopefully third version will be good to him like last gen was to feraligatr

Noble Cactus · Sep 23rd, 2010, 7:24:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat joker120

What about daikenki the samurai who has sword on his fore legs. Sacredsword screams samurai . hopefully third version will be good to him like last gen was to feraligatr

It's odd... no matter how many times I look at his forelegs, I can't see Daikenki's "sword."

But yeah, I can see this move distributed amongst a select few Pokémon in the third game, as per usual.

Omnipresent · Sep 23rd, 2010, 7:42:15 PM

I hate it when they outclass such a good move. I like it, it it bypasses Reflect I like it even more but just like everyone is sayin, they allowed all of those pokemon to run Combat so :/

Good ingame if they get it early.

Oh ya you get points for having a name that coincides with swords ;)

Quagsires · Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:45:44 PM

Again, nice name, but really don't see this being run that often. CC is better, and there aren't that many pokes that run defensive physical upgrades. It's better ingame against people with increased defense...

ungulateman · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:00:37 PM

Ok, why the hell did Farfetch'd not get this?

Ryanide · Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:44:11 PM

Somewhere an Umbreon is crying.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:46:52 AM	#1
SOMALIA The King. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,213	Sacred Sword Attack Name: Sacred sword[Physical attack] Base Power: 90 Power points: 20 Accuracy: 100% Effect: Deals damage to the opponent negating/Ignoring any stat changes. Pokemon that learn 'Sacred Sword' via levelling up: -Kobaruon -Terakion -Birijion -Kerudio Seeing this move and also noting Terakion's massive base attack stats of 129 combined with STAB, you'll be seeing this almost too frequently is my guess. the other 3 pokemon have decent enough Attack power to use it efficiently. It's effect is amazing simply because you can revenge kill anything even after they set up a several curses such as Cradily/Swampert/Snorlax etc. -Stone edge -Swords Dance/Rock Polish -Sacred Sword/Close combat -Earthquake 252ATT/252SPEED/4HP Adamant(If using rock polish) or Jolly. So what are your thoughts on this new devastating move guys?? __________________ Last edited by SOMALIA; Sep 23rd, 2010 at 10:13:50 AM.*

Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:50:12 AM	#2
doomvendingmachine I'm just a symptom of the moral decay that's gnawing at the heart of the country Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 992	I still think terakion will run close combat for the power unless your team has specific problems with defensive stat uppers. __________________ [12:26pm] <Earthworm\|Away> what is a chastity belt [12:26pm] <Earthworm\|Away> does it muffle my speech

Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:01:15 AM	#4
Shimrit As Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 270 Singapore	Seeing that all four users have access to Close Combat which presents itself as a much more powerful sweeping tool, Sacred Sword would have limited appeal. However, Birijion might have the greatest use for it, seeing as it enjoys being bulky and won't want to lower its defences with CC, and it needs a Fighting STAB to deal with the Dark types it walls. __________________ ...

Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:20:56 AM	#5
SOMALIA The King. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,213	I guess it might be used for offensive teams without a hazer/phazer, put simply. In addition to that 'Sacred sword' provides something that doesn't lower the defensive stats as all 4 pokemon have respectable bulk. __________________

Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:09:33 AM	#9
Wafflez Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 414	Yah i would also agree with the fact that Kobaruon and Birijion are better off with this move.Im pretty sure Terakion would prefer the raw power output of CC tho seeing as it probably needs it for a lot of the k0s.I suppose could work as a makeshift phazing move. Pretty kool.. __________________ <Geomac> Man, my penis is so big if I laid it out on a keyboard it'd go all the way from A to Z Error: Ladder server overloaded - ladder could not be updated. Fuck Ps >_>

Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:52:04 AM	#3
druin Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 14	Seems very situational to me - the 33% power increase provided by Close Combat is too much to pass up. Barring Cradily, defense-boosting mons can be Roared anyway. A good alternative to those that do not have access to CC though. Also useless for use with Bulk-up/SDance, as I'm assuming those boosts are negated too.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:22:31 AM	#6
deuxhero Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 47	Does negating meaning "haze" or "ignoring"? And why is there a sword move that Marowak can't learn?

Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:39:04 AM	#7
Atomsage Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4	The only one that should use Close Combat is Terakion. Sacred Sword is better for Kobaruon and Birijion since the two are more defensive and can't afford the defense drops. Kerudio is better off with Sword of Mystery.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:08:50 AM	#8
~~bubbly~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 884 Australia	Hmmm, people are confusing the legendaries with Lucario. Lucario isn't built for sticking around. I can see this having a lot of utility on offensive teams as you say, particularly for things like Cradily which can be otherwise impossible to get rid of. Close Combat has a massive power advantage, but its sort of like comparing Hydro Pump to Surf - except that accuracy isn't a factor, Hydro Pump lowers both defenses, and Surf hits disregarding stat boosts. IMO thats enough to make using "Surf" worthwhile!

Sep 23rd, 2010, 10:47:35 AM	#10
More Cowbell Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,063 Singing of the freedom of utopic space	Well, it depends if defensive stat-uppers will be popular, but I doubt that. If they will, though, Sacred Sword might find some use, though CC will probably be used more. I could also see it being used on fragile Pokémon who wish to stay in for maybe one extra turn. The defence srops from CC kinda hurt, sometimes.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:30:15 AM	#11
SOMALIA The King. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,213	Like I said these pokemon have excellent defensive stats so why waste it using cc? Also with swords dance at it's disposal, I don't think Close combat would be seen on Terakion often. __________________

Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:37:27 AM	#12
Arc Tech Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 661	Too situational. Whille the new mons do have excellent defensive stats, the 33% increase in power from cc is more imprtant when sweeping (unless you're going the slow boosting, bulky route). And by its description, it seems like it might ignore your stat boosts anyway, meaning it's useless on setuppers.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 11:43:29 AM	#13
Atomsage Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4	The move ignores opponent stat changes not yours.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:21:27 PM	#15
SOMALIA The King. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,213	I think It'll be safe to assume for now that any stat changes the opponent gets.(Any stat boosts). Intimidate , I doubt that will be negated by this move, if sacred sword was an ability it would make sense to negate stat reducing abilities. __________________

Sep 23rd, 2010, 12:26:48 PM	#16
revdjweb Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 48	looks like a tweener move: weaker than close combat, stronger than brick break

Sep 23rd, 2010, 1:25:23 PM	#17
lumpor Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 135	It IS the perfect curselax counter. And yes, people often forget the negative effect of close combat.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 1:28:31 PM	#18
TacoBot Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 74	I view this as Zankantou cleaving all those Cursers For Great ~~Damage~~Justice.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 8:45:44 PM	#23
Quagsires Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,126 Somewhere...	Again, nice name, but really don't see this being run that often. CC is better, and there aren't that many pokes that run defensive physical upgrades. It's better ingame against people with increased defense... __________________ Credit to Bummerfor the avatar.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:00:37 PM	#24
ungulateman Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,119 Cambodia	Ok, why the hell did Farfetch'd not get this? __________________ What's the difference between mainstream religion and Scientology? A few thousand years.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 9:44:11 PM	#25
Ryanide Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 299	Somewhere an Umbreon is crying. __________________ It's safe to say that Mudkip dominates the meme metagame. With Bidoof being its only counter, and even then it can STILL use attract to make you like it.