Blastoise

Move_Zero · Sep 23rd, 2010, 5:32:31 PM

Blastoise
Type: Water

Stats:
HP:79
Atk:83
Def:100
SpAtk:85
SpDef:105
Spd:78

Traits:
Torrent: Increases power of Water-type moves when at 1/3 HP

Rain Dish (Dream World): Restores 1/16 HP every turn in the rain.

Level-Up moves

TM/HM moves

Egg moves

The original Bulky Water, Blastoise has carved out a niche as a useful, UU Rapid Spinner. The transition to Gen V, however, has brought several new toys for the giant, water cannon-sporting turtle to play with:

Rain Dish: By far and away one of Blastoise's most useful tools is Rain Dish, its new ability. This means that, along with Leftovers recovery, the standard Blastoise will now survive longer, particularly since Politoed has recieved Drizzle with the arrival of Dream World.

Boiling Water: Another useful move comes in the form of Boiling Water, which quite easily replaces Surf as its STAB move of choice. In addition to being a powerful Water-type attack, it also has a 30% chance of Burning the opponent, which helps Blastoise greatly in walling physical attackers.

Moveset(s):

Utilitoise:
Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold (+Def, -Atk)
Torrent/Rain Dish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpAtk/SpDef
Boiling Water
Rapid Spin
Toxic/Yawn
Rest/Ice Beam/Protect

Yes, the standard Utility set from Gen V makes a comeback, and it's better than ever! Boiling Water takes the place of Surf due to its Burnhax, Rapid Spin for getting rid of those annoying entry hazards, Toxic for stalling out opposing Bulky Waters or Yawn for Phazing support, and either Rest for keeping Blastoise healthy during his stay on the battlefield (helped along by Leftovers AND Rain Dish recovery); Ice Beam to his Grass-types who will try to force you out, or Protect to buy an extra turn of Poison/Burn damage. Rain dish is the preferred ability on this defensive set, but Torrent will also work if you don't have a reliable way of getting Rain up (Politoed shares Blastoise's weaknesses, after all).

Stall Whore(suggested by Blatreutka):

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold (+Def, -Atk)
Rain Dish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef
-Substitute
-Boiling Water/Surf
-Aqua Ring/ Yawn/ Protect
-Toxic

This set loses Spin support in order to stall out the opponent. Switch in on a Poke Blast can scare away, set up Sub on the switch, use Aqua Ring to restore even more HP, and Toxic to slowly destroy anything that stands in your way. Yawn or Protect can also be used in the third slot, with Yawn phazing away potential sweepers (though it conflicts with Toxic, so make sure you decide which status move you want to use) and Protect buying an extra turn of Toxic damage. Boiling Water can also be used to stop physical sweepers, but because the burn chance conflicts with Toxic (you don't want something like Lanturn switching into Boiling Water and miss your chance to Poison it), Surf is also a viable attack.

And, so, that's Blastoise in a nut--er, turtle shell. Feel free to post your own sets (or variations of this on)!

-Manaphy-- · Sep 23rd, 2010, 5:51:56 PM

In OU he's outclassed by Mamanbou (165 HP, 80 Def With Hydration), If Vaporeon sees the darkness of UU (Because, compared to Mamanbou, Vaporeon is mostly outclassed), I could see a NU Blastoise.

However, he's still seems like a decent Bulky Water and Rain Dish and Rapid Spin help him out a lot.

**Deck Knight** · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:02:36 PM

I've always preffered a set of Surf/Rapid Spin/Toxic/Mirror Coat, and the only thing I'm apt to change is Boiling Water over Surf. Blastoise's niche has always been as a bulky Rapid Spinner and he's always had competiton from Starmie. Either way that set has always done well for me as it can deal with ghosts quite well in general.

**AccidentalGreed** · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:04:25 PM

May I ask the merits of using Mamanbu over Blastoise? To me, Blastoise is already pretty solid on both sides of the spectrum.

Volke · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:04:41 PM

How in the world is Vaporeon outclassed? Vaporeon can actually attack, and has better overall bulk.

Blatreutka · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:05:02 PM

If it has rain support if could use a set like this:

Blastoise @ Leftovers
Bold (+Def, -Atk)
Rain Dish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef
-Substitute
-Boiling Water
-Aqua Ring/ Yawn/ Protect
-Toxic

It loses spin support but it has a lot of survivability with Leftovers, Rain Dish, and Aqua Ring. It can set up a lot of substitutes, but risks being set up one by special (or some physical) sweepers if it uses Aqua Ring or Protect. If you decide to run Yawn instead, it is great for phazing to stop opposing sweepers or to cause hazard damage, but it is less durable.

Blazen · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:12:01 PM

Starme is definitely a top tier poke. However, I can see Blastoise becoming a solid alternative as a Bulky spinner. Mostly do to not having a pursuit weakness, and the new threat that is Shanderaa.

**AccidentalGreed** · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:14:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Blazen

Staryu is definitely a top tier poke. However, I can see Blastoise becoming a solid alternative as a Bulky spinner. Mostly do to not having a pursuit weakness, and the new threat that is Shanderaa.

Staryu? What?

Also, Boiling Water is pretty much Standard here. Vaporeon and Blastoise have their own ways of supporting the team.

Blazen · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:18:33 PM

Yes, Staryu. Nobody would see it coming! The perfect counter! I might have also made a typo.

-Manaphy-- · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:19:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Stickerz

How in the world is Vaporeon outclassed? Vaporeon can actually attack, and has better overall bulk.

In the Rain, Surf/Boiling Water is gonna do damage anyway. Also, Mamanbou has 35 More Base HP, and 15 More Base defense, which makes Mamanbou incredibly better at Physical Walling, especially with things with Giant Attack stats and Overconfidence Flying around. If you were to use Vaporeon, you'd have to go on The Special Walling Side.

Quote:

May I ask the merits of using Mamanbu over Blastoise? To me, Blastoise is already pretty solid on both sides of the spectrum.

Mamanbou has instant Recovery thatt heals all his HP, Immune to Status, much Higher Base HP and Defense. Blastoise has much higher Sp.Def though, and can Rapid Spin. I don't think it's enough to make him OU though.

CWW · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:25:55 PM

yessssssssssss my favorite Pokemon.

To be honest, I never used Rain Dish on Ludicolo, always preferred Swift Swim, so I'm not sure if it's actually preferred over Torrent. Torrent + Hydro Pump actually does pretty decent damage. Not entirely uncommon to see Blastoise go under 1/3 HP and proceed to kick face with a charged up Surf/Hydro Pump. It's especially useful against spin blockers. For more survivability, in Rain Dance teams, Rain Dish definitely gets the nod.

Still sadface that Blastoise doesn't get Shell Break. It's a freakin' turtle for pete's sake.

~~Morm~~ · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:27:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat -Manaphy--

In OU he's outclassed by Mamanbou (165 HP, 80 Def With Hydration), If Vaporeon sees the darkness of UU (Because, compared to Mamanbou, Vaporeon is mostly outclassed), I could see a NU Blastoise.

However, he's still seems like a decent Bulky Water and Rain Dish and Rapid Spin help him out a lot.

How is vappy outclassed by that idiot? Vappy has some awesome sp atk stats compared to a vast majority of water types combing with fantastic natural bulk, a great ability and a decent movepool.

blasphemy1 · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:32:32 PM

Mamanbou has 40 base special attack, have fun. Besides, this thread isn't about Mamanbou, Vaporeon, or any other fucking bulky water. Back on topic:

Rain Dish is more useful for Blastoise than Torrent (bar the anti-lead set), but I think Boiling Water is the best pickup. It sucks when Venusaur constantly switches into you, threatens with Power Whip, and uses Synthesis to recover your pitiful Ice Beam damage. Now Boiling Water threatens to burn him. :D

squirtleboy12 · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:46:38 PM

I believe Vaporeon really got the most benefits in this generation when it comes to water types, and its also pretty clear that Vaporeon is better then Mamanbou, at least in theory.

Blastoise getting boiling water is a nice addition, though many other waters also got it. Rain dish helps Blastoise a bit, but compared to the abilities other pokemon have been receiving it just doesn't cut it. Its a shame, Blastoise is such a cool pokemon. I am guessing this minor additions will be enough to keep Blastoise in UU but I don't think it's likely that it will reach OU light. It is outclassed by so many bulky waters.

-Manaphy-- · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:50:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blasphemy1

Mamanbou has 40 base special attack, have fun. Besides, this thread isn't about Mamanbou, Vaporeon, or any other fucking bulky water.

Damn. I knew it was low, but 40? That's sad.

Murkglow · Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:51:43 PM

Blast's big nitch to me was always that he was a bulky water rapid spinner. Unless more spinners come along to take that spot I don't see Blast going anywhere. And of course getting a few extra tid-bits here and there (Boiling Water) doesn't hurt.

Kitsunine · Sep 28th, 2010, 12:21:56 PM

No Shell Break for Blasoise? Damn, that really sucks.

M BLADE · Sep 28th, 2010, 12:47:01 PM

The problem with the stall whore is that... well, Rain doesn't damage enemies. Oh well.
To me, Blastoise is always going to be a bulky spinner.
So for me Rapid Spin is a need on damn near every Blastoise set bar the rain stall one (which sincerely i have my doubts. Won't Ludicolo be better?).

Boiling Water is a good addition nonetheless.

Can i suggest something crazy?

Blastoise @ Life Orb
252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
Timid
Rain Dish

-Water Spout
-Hydro Pump
-e Beam
-HP Electric/ HP Grass/ Focus Blast

Use it in Rain. Rain Dish cures the LO damage, so you can keep Spouting all over.

Just an idea. Not too practical because Blastoise is... slow.

lordkira · Sep 28th, 2010, 12:55:11 PM

^ 252spA not atk si?
Also, tbh I don't see blastoise ebing one of the "it" pokemons of gen 5
However, with perma rain or rain being boosted with this gen, blastoise will obviously get more attention. though it would've been nice if it got an instant recovery move (oh well).

Ndota · Sep 28th, 2010, 12:56:18 PM

Blastoise doesn't really need speed IMO. He's just too slow. I posted a life orb set too, but accidentally deleted it, but I ran max HP EV's instead of running speed which makes him more bulky. Modest nature for maximum damage as well. Rapid spin should be ran for utility even for a damaging set.

It really does suck that he did not get Shell Break. T_T

Colonel Darren · Sep 28th, 2010, 2:03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Ndota

It really does suck that he did not get Shell Break. T_T

Shell Break Pass from Smeargle to a Blastoise. If it's Drizzling, you have a stupid fast turtle blasting off Surf/Boiling Water with pretty damn good power and constantly regenerating Life Orb damage.

Gimmicky, but I'm going to try it. :D

Ndota · Sep 28th, 2010, 2:05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Colonel Darren

Shell Break Pass from Smeargle to a Blastoise. If it's Drizzling, you have a stupid fast turtle blasting off Surf/Boiling Water with pretty damn good power and constantly regenerating Life Orb damage.

Gimmicky, but I'm going to try it. :D

LOL, thats a cool idea lol. I'm going to try that too. NINJA TURTLE!!!

Colonel Darren · Sep 28th, 2010, 2:07:42 PM

Blastoise also isn't weak to any Priority, unlike Cloyster. Hell, Blastoise resists Bullet Punch at the very least, so it might be able to take one and send Scizor to hell in return.

Ndota · Sep 28th, 2010, 2:17:46 PM

Blastoise can take more than one Bullet Punch from Scizor. Scizor gets destroyed if he isn't using anything else other than Bullet Punch. Surf and hydro pump wreck him.

Blastoise can also run Aqua Jet for his own priority and use it just before he dies, even for a special attacker variant.

Colonel Darren · Sep 28th, 2010, 3:15:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Ndota

Blastoise can take more than one Bullet Punch from Scizor. Scizor gets destroyed if he isn't using anything else other than Bullet Punch. Surf and hydro pump wreck him.

Blastoise can also run Aqua Jet for his own priority and use it just before he dies, even for a special attacker variant.

Not to mention Blastoise's Attack is only two below his Special Attack, so you could be dickish and pull off a Mix set or something. Surf/Earthquake/Ice Beam/Something after a Shell Break Pass.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 5:32:31 PM	#1
Move_Zero Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 28	Blastoise Blastoise Type: Water Stats: HP:79 Atk:83 Def:100 SpAtk:85 SpDef:105 Spd:78 Traits: Torrent: Increases power of Water-type moves when at 1/3 HP Rain Dish (Dream World): Restores 1/16 HP every turn in the rain. Level-Up moves Lv1:Flash Cannon Lv1:Tackle Lv4:Tail Whip Lv7:Bubble Lv10:Withdraw Lv13:Water Gun Lv16:Bite Lv20:Rapid Spin Lv24:Protect Lv28:Water Pulse Lv32:Aqua Tail Lv39:Skull Bash Lv46:Iron Defense Lv53:Rain Dance Lv60:Hydro Pump TM/HM moves TM05:Roar TM06:Toxic TM07:Hail TM10:Hidden Power TM13:Ice Beam TM14:Blizzard TM15:Hyper Beam TM17:Protect TM18:Rain Dance TM21:Frustration TM23:Knock Down-[Physical][50 BP][100 Acc][15 PP]Grounds Flying types and Levitators TM26:Earthquake TM27:Return TM28:Dig TM31:Brick Break TM32:Double Team TM39:Rock Tomb TM42:Facade TM44:Rest TM45:Attract TM48:Sing-A-Round-[Special][60 BP][100 Acc][15 PP]Attacks opponent with song. If everyone sings together, you can use this in succession and power the move up. TM52:Focus Blast TM55:Boiling Water-[Special][80 BP][100 Acc][15 PP]Damages and causes burn (30%). TM56:Fling TM68:Giga Impact TM74:Gyro Ball TM78:Level Ground-[Physical][60 BP][100 Acc][20 PP]Damages and lowers opponent's speed. TM80:Rock Slide TM82:Dragon Tail-[Physical][60 BP][90 Acc][10 PP]Damages and forces opponent to switch. TM87:Swagger TM90:Substitute TM91:Flash Cannon TM94:Rock Smash HM03:Surf HM04:Strength HM05:Waterfall HM06:Dive Egg moves Mirror Coat Haze Mist Forsight Flail Refresh Mud Sport Yawn Muddy Water Fake Out Aqua Ring Aqua Jet Water Spout Brine The original Bulky Water, Blastoise has carved out a niche as a useful, UU Rapid Spinner. The transition to Gen V, however, has brought several new toys for the giant, water cannon-sporting turtle to play with: Rain Dish: By far and away one of Blastoise's most useful tools is Rain Dish, its new ability. This means that, along with Leftovers recovery, the standard Blastoise will now survive longer, particularly since Politoed has recieved Drizzle with the arrival of Dream World. Boiling Water: Another useful move comes in the form of Boiling Water, which quite easily replaces Surf as its STAB move of choice. In addition to being a powerful Water-type attack, it also has a 30% chance of Burning the opponent, which helps Blastoise greatly in walling physical attackers. Moveset(s): Utilitoise: Blastoise @ Leftovers Bold (+Def, -Atk) Torrent/Rain Dish 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpAtk/SpDef Boiling Water Rapid Spin Toxic/Yawn Rest/Ice Beam/Protect Yes, the standard Utility set from Gen V makes a comeback, and it's better than ever! Boiling Water takes the place of Surf due to its Burnhax, Rapid Spin for getting rid of those annoying entry hazards, Toxic for stalling out opposing Bulky Waters or Yawn for Phazing support, and either Rest for keeping Blastoise healthy during his stay on the battlefield (helped along by Leftovers AND Rain Dish recovery); Ice Beam to his Grass-types who will try to force you out, or Protect to buy an extra turn of Poison/Burn damage. Rain dish is the preferred ability on this defensive set, but Torrent will also work if you don't have a reliable way of getting Rain up (Politoed shares Blastoise's weaknesses, after all). Stall Whore(suggested by Blatreutka): Blastoise @ Leftovers Bold (+Def, -Atk) Rain Dish 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef -Substitute -Boiling Water/Surf -Aqua Ring/ Yawn/ Protect -Toxic This set loses Spin support in order to stall out the opponent. Switch in on a Poke Blast can scare away, set up Sub on the switch, use Aqua Ring to restore even more HP, and Toxic to slowly destroy anything that stands in your way. Yawn or Protect can also be used in the third slot, with Yawn phazing away potential sweepers (though it conflicts with Toxic, so make sure you decide which status move you want to use) and Protect buying an extra turn of Toxic damage. Boiling Water can also be used to stop physical sweepers, but because the burn chance conflicts with Toxic (you don't want something like Lanturn switching into Boiling Water and miss your chance to Poison it), Surf is also a viable attack. And, so, that's Blastoise in a nut--er, turtle shell. Feel free to post your own sets (or variations of this on)! Last edited by Move_Zero; Sep 24th, 2010 at 9:19:03 AM.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 5:51:56 PM	#2
-Manaphy-- Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 337 New York	In OU he's outclassed by Mamanbou (165 HP, 80 Def With Hydration), If Vaporeon sees the darkness of UU (Because, compared to Mamanbou, Vaporeon is mostly outclassed), I could see a NU Blastoise. However, he's still seems like a decent Bulky Water and Rain Dish and Rapid Spin help him out a lot. __________________ <Scofield> I never got a chance to tell you about the time i met a girl named shucca <@JabbaTheGriffin> i would have started making ground move puns, and then when she doesn't get them you go "oh that wasn't as effective as i thought it'd be"

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:02:36 PM	#3
Deck Knight Jigen Makkoto Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,834 Massachusetts	I've always preffered a set of Surf/Rapid Spin/Toxic/Mirror Coat, and the only thing I'm apt to change is Boiling Water over Surf. Blastoise's niche has always been as a bulky Rapid Spinner and he's always had competiton from Starmie. Either way that set has always done well for me as it can deal with ghosts quite well in general. __________________ [17:53] <&Deck_Knight> If I Cite and Prune CiteandPrune's post, what does that make me? [17:54] <Birkal> a citeandprune cite and prunner [17:54] <%DHR> O_o lol [17:54] <+Mos_Quitoxe> Cite and Prune doesn't do enough of either [17:55] <+Mos_Quitoxe> can we make him change it or force him to pay damages [17:55] <&Deck_Knight> It would be a lot easier for him to Cite and Prune if we made him a mod. [17:56] <&Deck_Knight> I delegate this task to Birkal. [17:57] <Birkal> >:\|

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:04:25 PM	#4
AccidentalGreed I'll bite off your kneecaps if I ever see a super long post or wall of text. Seriously. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,023 California	May I ask the merits of using Mamanbu over Blastoise? To me, Blastoise is already pretty solid on both sides of the spectrum. __________________

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:46:38 PM	#14
squirtleboy12 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 154 miami	I believe Vaporeon really got the most benefits in this generation when it comes to water types, and its also pretty clear that Vaporeon is better then Mamanbou, at least in theory. Blastoise getting boiling water is a nice addition, though many other waters also got it. Rain dish helps Blastoise a bit, but compared to the abilities other pokemon have been receiving it just doesn't cut it. Its a shame, Blastoise is such a cool pokemon. I am guessing this minor additions will be enough to keep Blastoise in UU but I don't think it's likely that it will reach OU light. It is outclassed by so many bulky waters. __________________ http://badges.mypersonality.info/badge/0/15/157107.png http://z3.invisionfree.com/Digital_Pokemon/index.php?

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:04:41 PM	#5
Volke Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31 @ A place	How in the world is Vaporeon outclassed? Vaporeon can actually attack, and has better overall bulk.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:05:02 PM	#6
Blatreutka Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 95 Penn State	If it has rain support if could use a set like this: Blastoise @ Leftovers Bold (+Def, -Atk) Rain Dish 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 SpDef -Substitute -Boiling Water -Aqua Ring/ Yawn/ Protect -Toxic It loses spin support but it has a lot of survivability with Leftovers, Rain Dish, and Aqua Ring. It can set up a lot of substitutes, but risks being set up one by special (or some physical) sweepers if it uses Aqua Ring or Protect. If you decide to run Yawn instead, it is great for phazing to stop opposing sweepers or to cause hazard damage, but it is less durable.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:12:01 PM	#7
Blazen Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 78	Starme is definitely a top tier poke. However, I can see Blastoise becoming a solid alternative as a Bulky spinner. Mostly do to not having a pursuit weakness, and the new threat that is Shanderaa.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:18:33 PM	#9
Blazen Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 78	Yes, Staryu. Nobody would see it coming! The perfect counter! I might have also made a typo.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:25:55 PM	#11
CWW Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 392	yessssssssssss my favorite Pokemon. To be honest, I never used Rain Dish on Ludicolo, always preferred Swift Swim, so I'm not sure if it's actually preferred over Torrent. Torrent + Hydro Pump actually does pretty decent damage. Not entirely uncommon to see Blastoise go under 1/3 HP and proceed to kick face with a charged up Surf/Hydro Pump. It's especially useful against spin blockers. For more survivability, in Rain Dance teams, Rain Dish definitely gets the nod. Still sadface that Blastoise doesn't get Shell Break. It's a freakin' turtle for pete's sake.

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:32:32 PM	#13
blasphemy1 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,617 In the Hall of the Goblin King	Mamanbou has 40 base special attack, have fun. Besides, this thread isn't about Mamanbou, Vaporeon, or any other fucking bulky water. Back on topic: Rain Dish is more useful for Blastoise than Torrent (bar the anti-lead set), but I think Boiling Water is the best pickup. It sucks when Venusaur constantly switches into you, threatens with Power Whip, and uses Synthesis to recover your pitiful Ice Beam damage. Now Boiling Water threatens to burn him. :D

Sep 23rd, 2010, 6:51:43 PM	#16
Murkglow Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 220	Blast's big nitch to me was always that he was a bulky water rapid spinner. Unless more spinners come along to take that spot I don't see Blast going anywhere. And of course getting a few extra tid-bits here and there (Boiling Water) doesn't hurt.

Sep 28th, 2010, 12:21:56 PM	#17
Kitsunine Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 116	No Shell Break for Blasoise? Damn, that really sucks. __________________ Diamond FC: 1677 8074 4321

Sep 28th, 2010, 12:47:01 PM	#18
M BLADE Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,226 On a fairy tale. Not cool	The problem with the stall whore is that... well, Rain doesn't damage enemies. Oh well. To me, Blastoise is always going to be a bulky spinner. So for me Rapid Spin is a need on damn near every Blastoise set bar the rain stall one (which sincerely i have my doubts. Won't Ludicolo be better?). Boiling Water is a good addition nonetheless. Can i suggest something crazy? Blastoise @ Life Orb 252 SpA/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP Timid Rain Dish -Water Spout -Hydro Pump -e Beam -HP Electric/ HP Grass/ Focus Blast Use it in Rain. Rain Dish cures the LO damage, so you can keep Spouting all over. Just an idea. Not too practical because Blastoise is... slow. __________________ M-BLADE: Saying nonsense since 1988. Owner of the best signatures ever. Ditto. Last edited by M BLADE; Sep 28th, 2010 at 3:02:09 PM.

Sep 28th, 2010, 12:55:11 PM	#19
lordkira Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 994 won't	^ 252spA not atk si? Also, tbh I don't see blastoise ebing one of the "it" pokemons of gen 5 However, with perma rain or rain being boosted with this gen, blastoise will obviously get more attention. though it would've been nice if it got an instant recovery move (oh well).

Sep 28th, 2010, 12:56:18 PM	#20
Ndota Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 74	Blastoise doesn't really need speed IMO. He's just too slow. I posted a life orb set too, but accidentally deleted it, but I ran max HP EV's instead of running speed which makes him more bulky. Modest nature for maximum damage as well. Rapid spin should be ran for utility even for a damaging set. It really does suck that he did not get Shell Break. T_T

Sep 28th, 2010, 2:07:42 PM	#23
Colonel Darren Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 495	Blastoise also isn't weak to any Priority, unlike Cloyster. Hell, Blastoise resists Bullet Punch at the very least, so it might be able to take one and send Scizor to hell in return.

Sep 28th, 2010, 2:17:46 PM	#24
Ndota Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 74	Blastoise can take more than one Bullet Punch from Scizor. Scizor gets destroyed if he isn't using anything else other than Bullet Punch. Surf and hydro pump wreck him. Blastoise can also run Aqua Jet for his own priority and use it just before he dies, even for a special attacker variant.