Leading in gen V - Page 2

Wynought · Oct 1st, 2010, 2:38:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat UnholyCrab1

I'm seeing Sableye get a rise of fame. Not only does he get priority Taunt, but he can also priority WoW any Explosion leads.

Plus being Immune to Fake Out, Counter, Mach Punch and Flail is also positive for a lead.

GLS · Oct 1st, 2010, 3:10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat UnholyCrab1

I'm seeing Sableye get a rise of fame. Not only does he get priority Taunt, but he can also priority WoW any Explosion leads.

He also gets priority recover/moonlight.

KokoaKiwi · Oct 1st, 2010, 3:19:25 PM

My erufuun has proved to be an awesome lead.
Erufuun@Choice Specs
Jolly, 6Atk / 252HP / 252Speed
Switcheroo / Charm / Leech Seed / U-Turn ftw.
Switcheroo, as usual, cripples something. Charm hits whatever physical comes in. If I sense danger or Shadow Tag, I just gtfo with u-turn.
Choice Specs is because most leads so far are either walls or physical, like Aerodactyl.

Green Mage · Oct 1st, 2010, 3:34:41 PM

Can't have a lead thread without talking about Erufuun and Sableye. I don't own the game, but I can see these two being perfect lead counters with priority taunt. Erufuun also gets priority encore, switcheroo and stun spore, and Sableye has the immunities and priority recover, not to mention fake out. Neither need to invest in speed or attack, so they can just buff their defenses. Any lead without u-turn stands no chance against these two imo. Maybe that's a plus for that assassin bug thing.

UnholyCrab1 · Oct 1st, 2010, 3:53:18 PM

I see this generation as being the end to the typical SR-Suicide lead. Anti-Leads have been trying for forever to get the fastest Taunt, but now with Mischievous Heart, Sableye and Erufuun leads are gonna outspeed everything.

Skarmory/Forretress/Agirudaa can come in later to pile up some spikes, but by then they won't be as effective.

The Messiah · Oct 1st, 2010, 4:51:28 PM

best anti lead of this gen MACHAMP, giagisu < seems to be most common is put out in a DyP, than new flyign raptor, but down in a jiffy DyP,bullet punch.

machamp is the most solid thing you could ask for, how can you question its immenseness, even better it outspeeds some of the new tanks, ROFL it can DyP them into confusion before they even do anything, its frikking amazing

The Messiah · Oct 1st, 2010, 4:52:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat UnholyCrab1

I see this generation as being the end to the typical SR-Suicide lead. .

yeh obviously because explosion has lsot its half def power, so you cannot explode with any effect, gonna have to SR then status at best

**Tobes** · Oct 1st, 2010, 4:53:49 PM

Let's not forget that in all likelyhood Deoxys-S will be at the very most a Suspect. Just something to keep in mind. (Aero you are so out of a job.)

Griffen78 · Oct 1st, 2010, 4:59:58 PM

honestly I think leading is no more sure you may still have a stealth rocker, but from what I've seen it seems like before battle you get to see your opponents pokemon, so it is very obvious which one will be the lead yes? so I believe that after a while leads won't be used.

R.B.G. · Oct 1st, 2010, 5:10:47 PM

Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Jolly
Taunt
Stealth Rock
Rock Slide/Stone Edge
Earthquake

Same old, same old. Was the most reliable lead in Generavtion IV and should still be strong in the new metagame.

UnholyCrab1 · Oct 1st, 2010, 5:23:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat R.B.G.

Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Jolly
Taunt
Stealth Rock
Rock Slide/Stone Edge
Earthquake

Same old, same old. Was the most reliable lead in Generavtion IV and should still be strong in the new metagame.

Priority Taunt would like to have a word with you.

**Mario With Lasers** · Oct 1st, 2010, 5:40:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat UnholyCrab1

Priority Taunt would like to have a word with you.

And Deoxys-S being back to business too.

Aerodactyl really doesn't seem to have anything to differ itself from the other theorymon leads.

GLS · Oct 1st, 2010, 5:41:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

And Deoxys-S being back to business too.

Aerodactyl really doesn't seem to have anything to differ itself from the other theorymon leads.

Deoxys falls to the same priority taunt as well.

Delta 2777 · Oct 1st, 2010, 5:55:28 PM

Wait, so it's been confirmed that you do in fact automaticaly send out the first Pokemon in your party to lead, as opposed to choosing which Pokemon to send out after seeing your opponent's team (which was previously reported)?

UnholyCrab1 · Oct 1st, 2010, 5:59:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Delta 2777

Wait, so it's been confirmed that you do in fact automaticaly send out the first Pokemon in your party to lead, as opposed to choosing which Pokemon to send out after seeing your opponent's team (which was previously reported)?

I dunno actually, I heard that was only for random matches.

KokoaKiwi · Oct 1st, 2010, 6:37:09 PM

lol, everyone uses Aero as a lead and totally forget he can do an amazing work (going to test it out reallt soon) as a Claw Sharpener. He gets all Fangs and Stone Edge. Has a massive speed and decent attack after +1.
Also, Erufuun totally shuts down Deoxys-S. Switcheroo ftw.

UnholyCrab1 · Oct 1st, 2010, 6:40:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat KokoaKiwi

lol, everyone uses Aero as a lead and totally forget he can do an amazing work (going to test it out reallt soon) as a Claw Sharpener. He gets all Fangs and Stone Edge. Has a massive speed and decent attack after +1.
Also, Erufuun totally shuts down Deoxys-S. Switcheroo ftw.

I tested him out with a CB, and Aerodactyl does much better work with that.

And the awesome part about Switcheroo/Trick is that it still gets priority with a crap item like Iron Ball.

Sableye with Taunt/WoW/Trick is gonna cripple leads left and right.

Oct 1st, 2010, 3:53:18 PM	#30
UnholyCrab1 Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 58 Everyvere unt novere	I see this generation as being the end to the typical SR-Suicide lead. Anti-Leads have been trying for forever to get the fastest Taunt, but now with Mischievous Heart, Sableye and Erufuun leads are gonna outspeed everything. Skarmory/Forretress/Agirudaa can come in later to pile up some spikes, but by then they won't be as effective. __________________ Morality. The last bastion of a coward.

Oct 1st, 2010, 5:10:47 PM	#35
R.B.G. Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 119 Mykonos, Greece	Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash Jolly Taunt Stealth Rock Rock Slide/Stone Edge Earthquake Same old, same old. Was the most reliable lead in Generavtion IV and should still be strong in the new metagame. __________________ ...

Oct 1st, 2010, 5:55:28 PM	#39
Delta 2777 5% determination, 10% concentration, 85% luck Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,192	Wait, so it's been confirmed that you do in fact automaticaly send out the first Pokemon in your party to lead, as opposed to choosing which Pokemon to send out after seeing your opponent's team (which was previously reported)? __________________ #lifting on IRC <tito>: delta i never knew u won a smogon tour <tito>: congratz http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...N/9412ad9b.jpg

Oct 1st, 2010, 3:19:25 PM	#28
KokoaKiwi Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 751 Castelia.	My erufuun has proved to be an awesome lead. Erufuun@Choice Specs Jolly, 6Atk / 252HP / 252Speed Switcheroo / Charm / Leech Seed / U-Turn ftw. Switcheroo, as usual, cripples something. Charm hits whatever physical comes in. If I sense danger or Shadow Tag, I just gtfo with u-turn. Choice Specs is because most leads so far are either walls or physical, like Aerodactyl.

Oct 1st, 2010, 3:34:41 PM	#29
Green Mage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 567	Can't have a lead thread without talking about Erufuun and Sableye. I don't own the game, but I can see these two being perfect lead counters with priority taunt. Erufuun also gets priority encore, switcheroo and stun spore, and Sableye has the immunities and priority recover, not to mention fake out. Neither need to invest in speed or attack, so they can just buff their defenses. Any lead without u-turn stands no chance against these two imo. Maybe that's a plus for that assassin bug thing.

Oct 1st, 2010, 4:51:28 PM	#31
The Messiah Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 30	best anti lead of this gen MACHAMP, giagisu < seems to be most common is put out in a DyP, than new flyign raptor, but down in a jiffy DyP,bullet punch. machamp is the most solid thing you could ask for, how can you question its immenseness, even better it outspeeds some of the new tanks, ROFL it can DyP them into confusion before they even do anything, its frikking amazing

Oct 1st, 2010, 4:53:49 PM	#33
Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,244 GONER	Let's not forget that in all likelyhood Deoxys-S will be at the very most a Suspect. Just something to keep in mind. (Aero you are so out of a job.)

Oct 1st, 2010, 4:59:58 PM	#34
Griffen78 Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 71	honestly I think leading is no more sure you may still have a stealth rocker, but from what I've seen it seems like before battle you get to see your opponents pokemon, so it is very obvious which one will be the lead yes? so I believe that after a while leads won't be used.

Oct 1st, 2010, 6:37:09 PM	#41
KokoaKiwi Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 751 Castelia.	lol, everyone uses Aero as a lead and totally forget he can do an amazing work (going to test it out reallt soon) as a Claw Sharpener. He gets all Fangs and Stone Edge. Has a massive speed and decent attack after +1. Also, Erufuun totally shuts down Deoxys-S. Switcheroo ftw.