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Tman1997 · Feb 21st, 2011, 6:22:04 PM

no guard machamp scarfed sheer cold

Kefka Palazzo™ · Feb 21st, 2011, 6:26:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tman1997

no guard machamp scarfed sheer cold

So new and exciting!/sarcasm

Sorry, but you're not the first to suggest this T_T

Couldn't you also just Baton Pass some Agility boosts to him? 55 Speed is just terrible. Even with a Scarf, he's stupidly slow.

BurningMan · Feb 21st, 2011, 7:09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Kefka Palazzo™

Couldn't you also just Baton Pass some Agility boosts to him? 55 Speed is just terrible. Even with a Scarf, he's stupidly slow.

you could, but you can also baton pass shell breaks to kyogre ;)

As it looks now prediction is the key to your success along with being prepared to get sweeped.

Focus sash can save you a game since noone seems to use SR as its hard to set-up with all that priority spore and speeking of spore Lum Berry is propably one of the best items as it saves you from a scarf Deo-S ruining your sweep.

Alaphlosiam · Feb 21st, 2011, 7:20:35 PM

Setting up on Choiced Sheer Colds with my Skarmory is fun.

Plusle · Feb 21st, 2011, 8:33:11 PM

Setting up on Skarmorys with Butterfly Dance kyogre is fun.

eric the espeon · Feb 21st, 2011, 8:44:22 PM

I have legality implemented other than DW Ability+Mimic move. I am unsure how to implement that without a lot of annoying scripting. Still, got most everything. Even added the knock on effects on other Pokemon's illegal combinations (and an exception thanks to Eep). Here is the new client. The server will probably only be updated by Captain, though I'm seeing if there is a way for me to be able to do it remotely.

Edit: 78 downloads of the original version, and the server has been somewhat active throughout the day (there are dead zones, but not too big considering how new this place is). We held several eight man tourneys and many more smaller ones. Going to be needing some more tourney staff. Come and join the fun!

And, some useful things you could do:

Write a good warstory showcasing one of the metagames.
Post good sets with a little description, we'll add them to the early posts so people can get an idea about how the meta works.
Post a few well thought out RMTs (wait till we get approval first, I've asked about it).
Play the game!

Edit2: Fixed download link. At least those of you who used the old link got a fairly cool tool for modding PO databases.

NDenizen · Feb 21st, 2011, 8:45:46 PM

Aaaaaawesome. Thanks for your dedication, ETE.

Captain · Feb 21st, 2011, 10:09:19 PM

Quote:

Not going to be playing on the server until DW+Mimic is banned.

The old policy was "we allow whatever the server allows." The new policy is "on every tier if you are using something OBVIOUSLY illegal and unobtainable ingame you'll be kicked/banned if you continue using after being warned." This applies to every ladder (or at least 5th gen ladders where it counts) but the full/unrestricted one I like which will NEVER ban DW + mimic glitch if we don't have to.

Gerard · Feb 21st, 2011, 10:11:26 PM

For Everyone having trouble with those annoying machamps (That is every simgle person) i have been using a Gardevoi very efectively

Gardevoir
Max Speed & Sp. Attack
Trace
- Sheer Cold
- Psyco Break
- Aura Sphere/Disable
- Magic Coat

This is a great Machamp Revenge Killer, you just came after hi killed one of your pokes and compleately rape their team, Magic Coat is for all the Spore runing around and Psyco Break and Aura Sphere are for damage (altough thre's not really a big point in using it since you'll be using a OHKO move that never fail) I use it with Steath Rock support (use a sturdy lead) and nothing can stop you, Disable iss there so your opponent can use sucker punch, that's the only think that stops Gardevoir sweeping

Is very interesting this new tier (and the fact that I can use Gardevoir is a great plus) and if we stop using those boring machamps we could really have the most diverse meta

eric the espeon · Feb 21st, 2011, 11:47:39 PM

Okay, legality failed. The problem is none of the natural categories of learning fit the criteria we want, the gen 5 Mimic moves need to be legal with early gen moves, but they also need to be illegal with eachother by default. Going to go with a much more ugly backup solution which will also be more annoying to use, since illegal sets will not show up in teambuilder, the server will simply reject them. Go back to the older client if you have the newer one, I'll try and implement it server-side. The alternative seems to be getting a full list of legal movesets.. which would be absurdly huge. And probably kill everything with lag. Or learning C++ and changing the PO source code to add a new learn category/recompiling.

I've edited the link in the OP back to the original.

Edit: I'll come up with the best solution I can, probably tomorrow.

Alaphlosiam · Feb 22nd, 2011, 12:31:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Gerard

For Everyone having trouble with those annoying machamps (That is every simgle person) i have been using a Gardevoi very efectively

Gardevoir
Max Speed & Sp. Attack
Trace
- Sheer Cold
- Psyco Break
- Aura Sphere/Disable
- Magic Coat

This is a great Machamp Revenge Killer, you just came after hi killed one of your pokes and compleately rape their team, Magic Coat is for all the Spore runing around and Psyco Break and Aura Sphere are for damage (altough thre's not really a big point in using it since you'll be using a OHKO move that never fail) I use it with Steath Rock support (use a sturdy lead) and nothing can stop you, Disable iss there so your opponent can use sucker punch, that's the only think that stops Gardevoir sweeping

Is very interesting this new tier (and the fact that I can use Gardevoir is a great plus) and if we stop using those boring machamps we could really have the most diverse meta

This doesn't work if the Machamp's been passed enough Speed. I try to Pass my Machamp a Shell Break so it can outrun other Machamps and also for, well, this. Scarf Ditto might stay a better check.

Captain · Feb 22nd, 2011, 2:58:33 AM

Oh man, people are talking about spore and machamp. Also ditto is even more awesome in this metagame than in standard. Time for a dumb question: what's the most common machamp moveset other than "use sheer cold lol." I kinda need to know if a sturdy pokemon not named Skarmory is a good idea.

TM13IceBeam · Feb 22nd, 2011, 4:56:59 AM

There is quite literally nothing other than 'use sheer cold lol'.

The prospect of a nevermiss move that always OHKOs is just too broken, combined with Machamp's bulk.

Lou Cypher · Feb 22nd, 2011, 5:31:44 AM

I don't really mind Machamp...he tends to be a 1-for-1 trade in my experience. It really is spore that agitates me. One spore user on a team, sure...but this is truly getting ridiculous.

BurningMan · Feb 22nd, 2011, 7:20:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat eric the espeon

Okay, legality failed. The problem is none of the natural categories of learning fit the criteria we want, the gen 5 Mimic moves need to be legal with early gen moves, but they also need to be illegal with eachother by default. Going to go with a much more ugly backup solution which will also be more annoying to use, since illegal sets will not show up in teambuilder, the server will simply reject them. Go back to the older client if you have the newer one, I'll try and implement it server-side. The alternative seems to be getting a full list of legal movesets.. which would be absurdly huge. And probably kill everything with lag. Or learning C++ and changing the PO source code to add a new learn category/recompiling.

I've edited the link in the OP back to the original.

Edit: I'll come up with the best solution I can, probably tomorrow.

Couldn't you just change the Mimic Moves to be 4th Gen Tutor Moves, that would atleast fix DW+Mimic.

Chieliee · Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:50:04 AM

Eric The Espeon, I think a new thread should be started regarding the Challenge Cup Street Pokemon.(cool sets, general discussion etc.) Do you mind if I start one?

VaporeonIce · Feb 22nd, 2011, 2:30:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam

There is quite literally nothing other than 'use sheer cold lol'.

The prospect of a nevermiss move that always OHKOs is just too broken, combined with Machamp's bulk.

You all do realize that No Guard works both ways, right? So if Sheer Cold Machamp is killing everything, you can just slap Sheer Cold on anything faster and/or with Sturdy (or, you know, Shedinja) and have a guaranteed OHKO. It's not like you'll be missing much coverage from the moveslot...

Gerard · Feb 22nd, 2011, 3:00:05 PM

if you're worried about it use a Focus Shash, you hang with one HP but you'll destroy that Machamp, i use Sturdy Whirlwind and Shedinja Whirlwind when they have gained too much speed

Unlimited Breadsticks · Feb 22nd, 2011, 3:44:12 PM

I am so goddamn in, this sounds like ridiculous fun.

eric the espeon · Feb 22nd, 2011, 4:37:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat BurningMan

Couldn't you just change the Mimic Moves to be 4th Gen Tutor Moves, that would atleast fix DW+Mimic.

This works fine for 4th gen moves, but there are issues with 5th gen ones. I think I've got a workaround though. Not going to be pretty but it should function.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat zee-brah

Eric The Espeon, I think a new thread should be started regarding the Challenge Cup Street Pokemon.(cool sets, general discussion etc.) Do you mind if I start one?

There is not all that much competitive discussion to be had around random battles, but you're free to post interesting things which have happened in this thread (use hide tags for any logs longer than about a turn).

Gerard · Feb 22nd, 2011, 5:18:39 PM

I was in but i can fight one person every hour or so

PD: Honchcrow is a nice machamp counter (if he hasn't been passed lots of speed) and still useful for the all the Spore running around, something you could use

eric the espeon · Feb 22nd, 2011, 8:55:36 PM

Ok, so I've actually fixed legality (I think). Sadly it won't all show up in teambuilder, but the server will reject DW Abilities used with Mimic moves. The knock on effects of the Mimic glitch on legality have been implemented in teambuilder. Right now I don't see a way to sort out illegal things displaying in teambuilder without C++ coding in the source and recompiling, which sadly is beyond me. Even getting a text error message when loading an illegal team would require a lot of scripting. If you make a team and something does not show up in battle, it's illegal. If you're really sure it's not, post here and I'll explain it/realize I've made a huge mistake. Anyway.. New Client! You don't need it, but it will allow you to access a few more sets which would otherwise not be possible. I have also updated the link in the first post. Captain's just restarting the server.

Zcythe · Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:07:49 PM

Finally, no more priority spores. I can finally Sheer Cold my way to victory in peace.

JohnWesleyX · Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:18:10 PM

Ninjask with protect and sheer cold.
Protect to gain a speed boost, then sheer cold machamp and then machamp is down. Instant counter,No?

petrie911 · Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:27:13 PM

Sheer Cold Scarftrio. Champ can't even switch, and you still outspeed at +2. You don't outspeed at +3, though.

Not sure what else to give it. Toxic (or maybe Sandstorm) for taking out sheddies? Life Gambit for Shuckles and other low HP mons? Splode? Lunar Dance? Memento? Obviously there's also boring old EQ and such.

Also, does Sturdy still block damage from OHKO moves, or is it just an auto-sash now?

Feb 21st, 2011, 8:33:11 PM	#55
Plusle Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,041	Setting up on Skarmorys with Butterfly Dance kyogre is fun. __________________ VGC 2011 Seniors UK 1st \| VGC 2012 Seniors UK 4th \| Worlds 2011 18th \| Worlds 2012 19th \| Winter Battle and International Challenge January Seniors 1st

Feb 21st, 2011, 8:44:22 PM	#56
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	I have legality implemented other than DW Ability+Mimic move. I am unsure how to implement that without a lot of annoying scripting. Still, got most everything. Even added the knock on effects on other Pokemon's illegal combinations (and an exception thanks to Eep). Here is the new client. The server will probably only be updated by Captain, though I'm seeing if there is a way for me to be able to do it remotely. Edit: 78 downloads of the original version, and the server has been somewhat active throughout the day (there are dead zones, but not too big considering how new this place is). We held several eight man tourneys and many more smaller ones. Going to be needing some more tourney staff. Come and join the fun! And, some useful things you could do: Write a good warstory showcasing one of the metagames. Post good sets with a little description, we'll add them to the early posts so people can get an idea about how the meta works. Post a few well thought out RMTs (wait till we get approval first, I've asked about it). Play the game! Edit2: Fixed download link. At least those of you who used the old link got a fairly cool tool for modding PO databases. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted. Last edited by eric the espeon; Feb 21st, 2011 at 9:52:16 PM.

Feb 21st, 2011, 8:45:46 PM	#57
NDenizen Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 451	Aaaaaawesome. Thanks for your dedication, ETE. __________________ ☀●○(웃)○●☀

Feb 21st, 2011, 11:47:39 PM	#60
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	Okay, legality failed. The problem is none of the natural categories of learning fit the criteria we want, the gen 5 Mimic moves need to be legal with early gen moves, but they also need to be illegal with eachother by default. Going to go with a much more ugly backup solution which will also be more annoying to use, since illegal sets will not show up in teambuilder, the server will simply reject them. Go back to the older client if you have the newer one, I'll try and implement it server-side. The alternative seems to be getting a full list of legal movesets.. which would be absurdly huge. And probably kill everything with lag. Or learning C++ and changing the PO source code to add a new learn category/recompiling. I've edited the link in the OP back to the original. Edit: I'll come up with the best solution I can, probably tomorrow. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Feb 22nd, 2011, 2:58:33 AM	#62
Captain Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 268 Hyperbeem is my lover, but I have ADDICTIONS.	Oh man, people are talking about spore and machamp. Also ditto is even more awesome in this metagame than in standard. Time for a dumb question: what's the most common machamp moveset other than "use sheer cold lol." I kinda need to know if a sturdy pokemon not named Skarmory is a good idea. __________________ underground mod/test server: http://captain.psim.us/ Previous owner of 5th gen Streetmons server. Previous owner of 4th gen modded server.

Feb 21st, 2011, 6:22:04 PM	#51
Tman1997 Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4	no guard machamp scarfed sheer cold

Feb 21st, 2011, 10:11:26 PM	#59
Gerard Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,004 Mmm... Ice Cream!	For Everyone having trouble with those annoying machamps (That is every simgle person) i have been using a Gardevoi very efectively Gardevoir Max Speed & Sp. Attack Trace - Sheer Cold - Psyco Break - Aura Sphere/Disable - Magic Coat This is a great Machamp Revenge Killer, you just came after hi killed one of your pokes and compleately rape their team, Magic Coat is for all the Spore runing around and Psyco Break and Aura Sphere are for damage (altough thre's not really a big point in using it since you'll be using a OHKO move that never fail) I use it with Steath Rock support (use a sturdy lead) and nothing can stop you, Disable iss there so your opponent can use sucker punch, that's the only think that stops Gardevoir sweeping Is very interesting this new tier (and the fact that I can use Gardevoir is a great plus) and if we stop using those boring machamps we could really have the most diverse meta

Feb 22nd, 2011, 4:56:59 AM	#63
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,246 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	There is quite literally nothing other than 'use sheer cold lol'. The prospect of a nevermiss move that always OHKOs is just too broken, combined with Machamp's bulk. __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:50:04 AM	#66
Chieliee Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,463	Eric The Espeon, I think a new thread should be started regarding the Challenge Cup Street Pokemon.(cool sets, general discussion etc.) Do you mind if I start one? __________________ nyuu~ This is the world we live in And these are the hands we're given Use them and lets start trying To make it a place worth living in.

Feb 22nd, 2011, 3:00:05 PM	#68
Gerard Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,004 Mmm... Ice Cream!	if you're worried about it use a Focus Shash, you hang with one HP but you'll destroy that Machamp, i use Sturdy Whirlwind and Shedinja Whirlwind when they have gained too much speed

Feb 22nd, 2011, 3:44:12 PM	#69
Unlimited Breadsticks Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 63	I am so goddamn in, this sounds like ridiculous fun.

Feb 22nd, 2011, 5:18:39 PM	#71
Gerard Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,004 Mmm... Ice Cream!	I was in but i can fight one person every hour or so PD: Honchcrow is a nice machamp counter (if he hasn't been passed lots of speed) and still useful for the all the Spore running around, something you could use

Feb 22nd, 2011, 8:55:36 PM	#72
eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,695	Ok, so I've actually fixed legality (I think). Sadly it won't all show up in teambuilder, but the server will reject DW Abilities used with Mimic moves. The knock on effects of the Mimic glitch on legality have been implemented in teambuilder. Right now I don't see a way to sort out illegal things displaying in teambuilder without C++ coding in the source and recompiling, which sadly is beyond me. Even getting a text error message when loading an illegal team would require a lot of scripting. If you make a team and something does not show up in battle, it's illegal. If you're really sure it's not, post here and I'll explain it/realize I've made a huge mistake. Anyway.. New Client! You don't need it, but it will allow you to access a few more sets which would otherwise not be possible. I have also updated the link in the first post. Captain's just restarting the server. __________________ For people who like storing things: The Box Reading and LC? LCF, LC Guide, LC Analyses Good channels: #littlecup, #C&C, #1v1, others And for SCMS editors: SCMS group ete on IRC. Goodbye Smogon. Good luck, was fun while it lasted.

Feb 22nd, 2011, 9:07:49 PM	#73
Zcythe Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 41	Finally, no more priority spores. I can finally Sheer Cold my way to victory in peace.

Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:18:10 PM	#74
JohnWesleyX Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 154 Starke, Fl	Ninjask with protect and sheer cold. Protect to gain a speed boost, then sheer cold machamp and then machamp is down. Instant counter,No? __________________ Articblast: Pardon me asking, but... why exactly were you having a battle with twelve Onix? Awesome Avatar by Jarardo!

Feb 22nd, 2011, 10:27:13 PM	#75
petrie911 Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 858	Sheer Cold Scarftrio. Champ can't even switch, and you still outspeed at +2. You don't outspeed at +3, though. Not sure what else to give it. Toxic (or maybe Sandstorm) for taking out sheddies? Life Gambit for Shuckles and other low HP mons? Splode? Lunar Dance? Memento? Obviously there's also boring old EQ and such. Also, does Sturdy still block damage from OHKO moves, or is it just an auto-sash now?