5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0 (Request in first post) - Page 22

lucariojr · Feb 24th, 2011, 6:50:18 PM

Wait, XD in researcher? Will this mean no more soft reseting and going through battles to get a decent HH Duskull???

ill bite how does this magic happen

Bond697 · Feb 24th, 2011, 6:52:53 PM

knowing how the RNG/s work in a game is a lot different than understanding how the game does many of its calculations and generates pokemon.

**ΩDonut** · Feb 24th, 2011, 7:42:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Do we have to use Sweet Scent to find the wild pokemon, or can we just walk around? And, instead of catching a high level pokemon, can we just use an AR to check the IVs?

If you walk around, you risk advancing the RNG by accident.

JRT · Feb 24th, 2011, 8:25:09 PM

As someone who doesn't have an AR or uses an Emulator and Rom, I don't really understand what vcount, RW timer, GX stat and Vframe is. Is RNG Reporter 9 going to be something I can use as soon as Black and White comes out on the 6th, or am I going to have to wait a while before more information is posted?

Kaphotics · Feb 24th, 2011, 8:28:53 PM

Selecting the (Language) Retail (Version) and DS/DSlite will auto load those values into the parameters.

There's really no guide yet for non-cgear abuse, we are still ironing out the minor details.

Quote:

Version
B 0x2215f10 (range: 0x2215f0e ~ 0x2215f12)
W 0x2215f30 (range: 0x2215f2e ~ 0x2215f32)

VCount
B 0x60 (range: 0x5e ~ 0x62)
W 0x5f (range: 0x5d ~ 0x61)

RW Timer0
B 0xC79 (range: 0xc77 ~ 0xc7b)
W 0xC68 (range: 0xc66 ~ 0xc6a)

Frame
6 ~ DSLite
8 ~ DS (Regular)

Gxstat
0x60000000 ~ DSLite/DS

Everything else yet is undocumented/undiscovered.

JRT · Feb 24th, 2011, 8:34:23 PM

But for somebody like me, I could still do C-Gear stuff right? Or am still going to need to wait a little longer? I have no problem beating story mode and chilling for a while until things are taken care of, but I thought I just see what my limitations are as I will be eager to get started.

Mazenki · Feb 24th, 2011, 8:35:20 PM

Hi there! In 4th Gen RNG, we could find out the SID by using the IVs of a randomly encountered shiny. Since the 5th Gen has split the IV and PID generation into separate RNG checks, would this method of deducing a secret ID no longer apply?

xElite · Feb 24th, 2011, 8:57:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mazenki

Hi there! In 4th Gen RNG, we could find out the SID by using the IVs of a randomly encountered shiny. Since the 5th Gen has split the IV and PID generation into separate RNG checks, would this method of deducing a secret ID no longer apply?

Correct. The only reason it worked in 4th gen is because there was a direct correlation between IVs and PID. It won't work in 5th gen.

XKiDxSLyX · Feb 24th, 2011, 9:11:42 PM

This might be known already, but just in case it isn't... RNG Reporter 8.4 only works up until HGSS...is it supposed to be like that?

Mazenki · Feb 24th, 2011, 9:19:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat xElite

Correct. The only reason it worked in 4th gen is because there was a direct correlation between IVs and PID. It won't work in 5th gen.

Makes sense; thanks for the confirmation! I'll have to do some research on RNGing my ID/SID for the NA release, in that case.

**Toast++** · Feb 24th, 2011, 9:31:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat XKiDxSLyX

This might be known already, but just in case it isn't... RNG Reporter 8.4 only works up until HGSS...is it supposed to be like that?

Yes. 8.41 introduced c-gear seeds and the 9.0 beta is out now.

emboars · Feb 25th, 2011, 1:58:42 AM

so dsi is not supported in rng reporter 9 .then there is no way to id/sid abuse.um about when will it support dsi? :-(

**Toast++** · Feb 25th, 2011, 2:02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat emboars

so dsi is not supported in rng reporter 9 .then there is no way to id/sid abuse.um about when will it support dsi? :-(

It's being looked at now. I think OD was planning to have dsi in by English release.

Human · Feb 25th, 2011, 2:04:18 AM

When BW come out I will need someone to explain how this RNG Reporter works because even though RNGing doesn't seem confusing, I barely understand this RNG Reporter for 5th Gen.

Kaphotics · Feb 25th, 2011, 3:37:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Human

When BW come out I will need someone to explain how this RNG Reporter works because even though RNGing doesn't seem confusing, I barely understand this RNG Reporter for 5th Gen.

Since we now have very good control over the PID RNG, we plan to whip a collaborative guide with a bunch of people. It will be drafted open source so we can convey all needed information effectively in the simplest way possible. Most likely this weekend; definitely before EU release.

The current guide would get replaced/edited with a new one highlighting C-Gear use (particularly with High Link abuse) for it's effectiveness in certain areas; non-CGear is far superior in most aspects.

**ΩDonut** · Feb 25th, 2011, 3:48:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat emboars

so dsi is not supported in rng reporter 9 .then there is no way to id/sid abuse.um about when will it support dsi? :-(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ToastPlusOne

It's being looked at now. I think OD was planning to have dsi in by English release.

I do plan on getting RNGing on a DSi cracked before the US\European release, but given the fact that even the Japanese haven't figured it out on their DSis, I'm not very optimistic. Still, we're using every resource at our disposal to try.

JRT · Feb 25th, 2011, 10:21:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat JRT

Is RNG Reporter 9 going to be something I can use as soon as Black and White comes out on the 6th, or am I going to have to wait a while before more information is posted?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat JRT

But for somebody like me, I could still do C-Gear stuff right? Or am still going to need to wait a little longer? I have no problem beating story mode and chilling for a while until things are taken care of, but I thought I just see what my limitations are as I will be eager to get started.

Still not 100% sure here and still would like to know so I can prepare myself.

**Toast++** · Feb 25th, 2011, 11:10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat JRT

Still not 100% sure here and still would like to know so I can prepare myself.

For CGear, you only need your MAC address I believe. That's easily obtainable. You wont be able to ID/SID abuse or RNG at all until you get the CGear but it's doable otherwise.

ArcDeus · Feb 25th, 2011, 1:36:45 PM

Just gave non-C Gear RNG a try, and managed to get relevant results, except for one thing: all the IVs seem right except one.

For example, my Kibago has perfect IVs everywhere except in SpDe, which makes near to no sense to me, its parents having 30+ in that stat.

What could be an explanation for this ?

lucariojr · Feb 25th, 2011, 1:39:11 PM

missed your frame/said frame had -29 spd

it happens :/

ArcDeus · Feb 25th, 2011, 1:47:02 PM

No I didn't miss it, for sure ^^. Besides, all the frame after and before the one I hit (+ the one I targeted) had a spread with no value in SpDef (which means the value depends on the base value we are RNGing for in the first place, right ?).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Princess of Johto · Feb 25th, 2011, 3:39:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat OmegaDonut

If you walk around, you risk advancing the RNG by accident.

Oh, I see. I forgot about that. So, does walking around in the grass even if it's only 1-3 steps advance the frame?

And, iirc, we can encounter wild pokemon without taking a step, but just by slightly touching the D-Pad so that we change our direction but not taking a step. Would that advance the frame?

lucariojr · Feb 25th, 2011, 3:44:34 PM

What parameters do I have to use for emulator RNG?

xElite · Feb 25th, 2011, 6:10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ArcDeus

No I didn't miss it, for sure ^^. Besides, all the frame after and before the one I hit (+ the one I targeted) had a spread with no value in SpDef (which means the value depends on the base value we are RNGing for in the first place, right ?).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

For non-C-Gear breeding you have to be 8 frames before your target frame. I'm guessing you advanced too much or something.

Or you could have an inconsistent RWTimer. Are you using a gamecart or a flashcart?

Dunkles Lugia · Feb 26th, 2011, 10:35:28 AM

I was just trying to find the Parameters of my DS but the search was unsuccessful
I´m using a DSlite with a real White
Which variables do i have to change and how?

Feb 24th, 2011, 6:50:18 PM	#526
lucariojr stranger'n a snake's suspenders, but sweeter'n a stolen kiss Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 946 Mississippi	Wait, XD in researcher? Will this mean no more soft reseting and going through battles to get a decent HH Duskull??? ill bite how does this magic happen __________________ aint i a piece of work

Feb 24th, 2011, 8:25:09 PM	#529
JRT Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,327	As someone who doesn't have an AR or uses an Emulator and Rom, I don't really understand what vcount, RW timer, GX stat and Vframe is. Is RNG Reporter 9 going to be something I can use as soon as Black and White comes out on the 6th, or am I going to have to wait a while before more information is posted? __________________ Diamond FC: 0774 1010 8828 - Trainer Name: Lukas Platinum FC: 4683 9796 4452 - Trainer Name: Lucas Black FC: 2752 0519 8010 - Trainer Name: Hilbert Pokemon have now entered the DWMA! Check it out!

Feb 24th, 2011, 8:34:23 PM	#531
JRT Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,327	But for somebody like me, I could still do C-Gear stuff right? Or am still going to need to wait a little longer? I have no problem beating story mode and chilling for a while until things are taken care of, but I thought I just see what my limitations are as I will be eager to get started. __________________ Diamond FC: 0774 1010 8828 - Trainer Name: Lukas Platinum FC: 4683 9796 4452 - Trainer Name: Lucas Black FC: 2752 0519 8010 - Trainer Name: Hilbert Pokemon have now entered the DWMA! Check it out!

Feb 24th, 2011, 9:11:42 PM	#534
XKiDxSLyX Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31	This might be known already, but just in case it isn't... RNG Reporter 8.4 only works up until HGSS...is it supposed to be like that? __________________ Check out my YT: http://www.youtube.com/user/AceTrainerBlu3

Feb 25th, 2011, 1:58:42 AM	#537
emboars Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 206 sri lanka	so dsi is not supported in rng reporter 9 .then there is no way to id/sid abuse.um about when will it support dsi? :-( __________________

Feb 24th, 2011, 6:52:53 PM	#527
Bond697 Dies, died, will die. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 302	knowing how the RNG/s work in a game is a lot different than understanding how the game does many of its calculations and generates pokemon.

Feb 24th, 2011, 8:35:20 PM	#532
Mazenki Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4	Hi there! In 4th Gen RNG, we could find out the SID by using the IVs of a randomly encountered shiny. Since the 5th Gen has split the IV and PID generation into separate RNG checks, would this method of deducing a secret ID no longer apply?

Feb 25th, 2011, 2:04:18 AM	#539
Human Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,112 New Jersey	When BW come out I will need someone to explain how this RNG Reporter works because even though RNGing doesn't seem confusing, I barely understand this RNG Reporter for 5th Gen. __________________ <3csmugs

Feb 25th, 2011, 1:36:45 PM	#544
ArcDeus Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 230 France	Just gave non-C Gear RNG a try, and managed to get relevant results, except for one thing: all the IVs seem right except one. For example, my Kibago has perfect IVs everywhere except in SpDe, which makes near to no sense to me, its parents having 30+ in that stat. What could be an explanation for this ? __________________ ~¤ Lost French Guy ~ FC Black: 2966-9577-2940 FC Diamond: 4424 9416 2748 FC SoulSilver: 0346 3135 4485 My Trade Thread

Feb 25th, 2011, 1:39:11 PM	#545
lucariojr stranger'n a snake's suspenders, but sweeter'n a stolen kiss Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 946 Mississippi	missed your frame/said frame had -29 spd it happens :/ __________________ aint i a piece of work

Feb 25th, 2011, 1:47:02 PM	#546
ArcDeus Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 230 France	No I didn't miss it, for sure ^^. Besides, all the frame after and before the one I hit (+ the one I targeted) had a spread with no value in SpDef (which means the value depends on the base value we are RNGing for in the first place, right ?). Correct me if I'm wrong. __________________ ~¤ Lost French Guy ~ FC Black: 2966-9577-2940 FC Diamond: 4424 9416 2748 FC SoulSilver: 0346 3135 4485 My Trade Thread

Feb 25th, 2011, 3:44:34 PM	#548
lucariojr stranger'n a snake's suspenders, but sweeter'n a stolen kiss Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 946 Mississippi	What parameters do I have to use for emulator RNG? __________________ aint i a piece of work

Feb 26th, 2011, 10:35:28 AM	#550
Dunkles Lugia Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 8 Germany	I was just trying to find the Parameters of my DS but the search was unsuccessful I´m using a DSlite with a real White Which variables do i have to change and how? __________________ Platinum(DE) 0044-9843-7631 (UT Pokemon) SoulSilver(DE) 5242-6711-7201 (EVd Pokemon and battle) White(JP) 4942-1476-9721 (BW Pokemon, can´t clone) German IV Trade Thread (English one is in progress)