CAP1 - Part 11.5 - (Pre-Evo Art) - Page 2

Kevin Garrett · Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:06:58 PM

My lion cub design using Aura Sphere. I am not sure if it will be able to learn Aura Sphere, but it still displays the design from another angle.

worcestershire · Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:32:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Kevin Garrett

My lion cub design using Aura Sphere. I am not sure if it will be able to learn Aura Sphere, but it still displays the design from another angle.

Not to be critical, but the thing on his head is supposed to be his tail, right? So shouldn't we be able to see the tail going up his back in this shot? Also might be nice to see a few feathers, like a necklace or something. Just spitballing, ignore that last bit if you want.

Kevin Garrett · Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:39:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat worcestershire

Not to be critical, but the thing on his head is supposed to be his tail, right? So shouldn't we be able to see the tail going up his back in this shot? Also might be nice to see a few feathers, like a necklace or something. Just spitballing, ignore that last bit if you want.

It isn't a Flying-type. I don't think feathers would be appropriate. As for the tail going up the back, I have something cool planned for that. It will be explained in the next supporting material picture. :)

**Limitless** · Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:06:35 PM

I really like your drawing, Kevin, for multiple reasons. First, it obviously looks appealing, with all of its shading and designs. Second, you thought beyond what you were given for the project. You thought about the future implications of the Pokemon, which I think is the true crux of the competition.

**jas61292** · Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:26:45 PM

Just one thing I noticed about your lion cub: in the first picture it looked like the ball on its head was coming down over its forehead. It looked like the top of its actual head was about half way up the ball. In the second picture however, it looks like the ball is propped up so that its bottom is at the very top of the head. Personally I like the look of the first one better, but as was already pointed out, we can't see the tail itself, so I will wait until that is there to really decide.

Kevin Garrett · Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:46:53 PM

Oh thanks for catching that. I must have forgotten to rotate it. This should look much better.

Since some of you are wondering about the tail I'll just say what I'm going to do with it. The tail being stuck to its back isn't nice looking, but the end of the tail as a hair ball on its head is adorable. What I am planning on doing is having the purple fur currently under the end of the tail go down where I originally planned to have the tail come out. When it evolves, it will be sort of like a transformer. The tail will come out and extend.

worcestershire · Apr 3rd, 2011, 1:28:37 AM

Ahhh. Didn't mean to second guess you Garrett. And an interesting way of dealing with the problem. Are you thinking a raised ridge or just the color pattern?

Kevin Garrett · Apr 3rd, 2011, 1:42:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat worcestershire

Ahhh. Didn't mean to second guess you Garrett. And an interesting way of dealing with the problem. Are you thinking a raised ridge or just the color pattern?

Most likely a color pattern. When I sketched the tail rolled up its back it looked clumpy and took away from the cuteness of it.

What are your opinions on the expression. The current versions I have posted are on the sad, serious, or neutral side. Should I keep that or go with a more cheerful expression?

Banryu · Apr 3rd, 2011, 5:34:51 AM

Gotta say, I really like the hoodie idea on Suntt's version. No clear favorites for me yet personally, but I think that would be a good element to include in other submissions if he didn't mind people stealing it LOL.

jellyhat · Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:51:53 AM

OKAY! Redid my original idea so it wouldn't look as sloppy.

They're feathers at the top. Critique?

TeraVolt · Apr 3rd, 2011, 9:44:57 AM

Some minor edits to the original:

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Also here's the back pic:

Sambobz · Apr 3rd, 2011, 12:06:30 PM

Sunnt123 - maybe a lighter coloring to fit the younger feel.

Rackham · Apr 3rd, 2011, 1:27:17 PM

So this is my attempt...

He's not matured yet and so is protected by his downy hide, which later becomes his wings. His claws haven't developed either, I figured that wasn't a characteristic that pre-evos tend to have (they're usually more cuddly). I tried to make him look mischievous in keeping with the prankster element of CAP1. I might change bits of it or add some supporting material, but I think its pretty simple and self-explanatory as it is.

I hope you like it, any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Goodock · Apr 3rd, 2011, 2:14:44 PM

Alright, this is just a draft of my concept:

My idea is supposed to be that he shows some elements of the evolution: the few feathers he has are imitating bigger claws because they aren't filled out enough to be wings yet. Also, his ears flatten out on his forehead to look like fangs when he is trying to scare someone away. I also thought that the fact that he looks a little ghost-like might make sense with the option of Scrappy as an ability.

I'll try to put up a nicer looking version soon.

Kevin Garrett · Apr 3rd, 2011, 2:23:17 PM

I decided to alter my design to make it easier to understand and give it a different general feel. I made the hair more like the mane of its evolved form and then I moved the cute rolled up tail to its back. I also gave it a happier expression and some purple markings for eyebrows and whiskers.

**paintseagull** · Apr 3rd, 2011, 4:02:52 PM

Thanks everyone for the positive feedback. I cleaned up my sketch and added colours. I'll add some supporting stuff soon.

@guddagudda: In the supporting material for the design, Cartoons mentioned that the fur hardens into feather-like quills, which is why I went for a pre-wing arm and egg design rather than a cub wearing bird feathers type design.

Kevin Garrett · Apr 3rd, 2011, 4:24:55 PM

I edited my design for the main pose with the changes I made for in the supporting material.

srk1214 · Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:44:33 PM

@Kevin Garrett

This is not a personal attack or anything, but I can't help but feel that your new pose of the prevo looks stupid, in the sense that it lacks intellectual capacity. I can't imagine it being mischievous because mischief requires thought. In this new pose, the only cry I can imagine it making is "Derp."

I think the problem for me is the sitting pose. It just doesn't say Prankster to me at all. It reminds me much more of a teddy bear, which I guess is good... but it still looks like a stupid teddy bear. Maybe make it a bit more active. Take inspiration from Teddiursa, but with a bit more malevolence in its expression or pose.

Kevin Garrett · Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:53:32 PM

How is the picture of it using Aura Sphere in comparison?

srk1214 · Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:59:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Kevin Garrett

How is the picture of it using Aura Sphere in comparison?

It's great as supporting art, but I don't think it is good for the main submission, since Pokemon almost never (or never not sure which) are using a move in their sprite.

McLuvdisc · Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:17:20 PM

@paintseagull: Yours is probably my favorite so far. Its cute and fluffy, but it still retains an air of mischief and cunning. I have a few critiques, however.

1. The ears. They're a little big, aren't they? I know we can't even see daddy Tomohawk's ears because his hood thing is covering them, so for all we know his could be just as large or even larger. Still, it just seems wrong to me.

2. The eyes. In the original artwork, Tomohawk has pure white scleras with no irises and red pupils. You did yours in a different style, with white sclera, brown irises, and a white pupil. Personally, I think your eyes are more realistic and I prefer them over the original, but there's something to be said for consistency in style. Plus, I think your design could use a little dash of red.

3. The hands. This one is probably the most obvious and easiest to fix. You seem to have forgotten to give him claws on his front paws. I would chalk this up to him being a prevo with lesser attacking prowess, except you gave him claws on his feet. Claws, no claws...either style would look great, but you have to pick one and stick to it.

4. The purple war paint. I feel like you're wasting it. In the original artwork, its painted on it streaks that outline Tomohawk's eyes, making him look angry and menacing (it is, after all, war paint). In yours, it's just a shapeless glob, and you've placed it too far above his eyes. Also, I think you forgot to give it an outline. I'd ask you to fix it, but I honestly think it would be better if you just took it out. I imagine Tomohawk earning his war paint when he evolves, as a mark of his experience and maturity. This is completely a matter of personal preference and it's fine if you don't agree.

Kevin Garrett · Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:18:47 PM

Main Design

Supporting Material

CAP 1 Pre-Evo Aura Sphere

srk1214 · Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:55:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Kevin Garrett

Well, yes, I can't use it as the main submission because it's using an attack. I just wanted to make sure that didn't look wrong.

What I will say is that as long as it looks like it is mischievous I will consider it. At the moment even the action pose with Aura Sphere is not quite convincing.

Narrow the eyes a little. Not to Weavile levels,

but do narrow them. It should do a world of help.

***Oglemi**** · Apr 3rd, 2011, 9:20:47 PM

@Jellyhat - I actually like yours the best. It feels the most natural and it's supremely executed. Well done.

The only thing I could ask for is to give it bolder colors.

Engineer Pikachu · Apr 3rd, 2011, 10:07:58 PM

I completely agree with Oglemi. I'm liking jellyhat's design the most out of everything submitted. However, the coloring seems a bit too light as of now.

Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:06:58 PM	#26
Kevin Garrett is a competitor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Passaic County, NJ	My lion cub design using Aura Sphere. I am not sure if it will be able to learn Aura Sphere, but it still displays the design from another angle. __________________

Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:06:35 PM	#29
Limitless Success is the best revenge. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,402 Michigan	I really like your drawing, Kevin, for multiple reasons. First, it obviously looks appealing, with all of its shading and designs. Second, you thought beyond what you were given for the project. You thought about the future implications of the Pokemon, which I think is the true crux of the competition. __________________ YouTube Account: http://www.youtube.com/user/Arrow2you?feature=mhum#p/u

Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:26:45 PM	#30
jas61292 likes his numbers Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,297 Strong as a Corsola	Just one thing I noticed about your lion cub: in the first picture it looked like the ball on its head was coming down over its forehead. It looked like the top of its actual head was about half way up the ball. In the second picture however, it looks like the ball is propped up so that its bottom is at the very top of the head. Personally I like the look of the first one better, but as was already pointed out, we can't see the tail itself, so I will wait until that is there to really decide. __________________ <Destiny_Warrior> jas will you do the dramatic reading <jas61292> I can't do anything dramatically. Not the actor type <Kadew> type tldr prc posts dramatically, then <Kadew> I'm sure you can manage that .

Apr 2nd, 2011, 11:46:53 PM	#31
Kevin Garrett is a competitor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Passaic County, NJ	Oh thanks for catching that. I must have forgotten to rotate it. This should look much better. Since some of you are wondering about the tail I'll just say what I'm going to do with it. The tail being stuck to its back isn't nice looking, but the end of the tail as a hair ball on its head is adorable. What I am planning on doing is having the purple fur currently under the end of the tail go down where I originally planned to have the tail come out. When it evolves, it will be sort of like a transformer. The tail will come out and extend. __________________

Apr 3rd, 2011, 5:34:51 AM	#34
Banryu Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,506	Gotta say, I really like the hoodie idea on Suntt's version. No clear favorites for me yet personally, but I think that would be a good element to include in other submissions if he didn't mind people stealing it LOL. __________________ ~ -=ASB Trainer Profile=- ~ Winning like Charlie Sheen

Apr 3rd, 2011, 1:28:37 AM	#32
worcestershire Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 66	Ahhh. Didn't mean to second guess you Garrett. And an interesting way of dealing with the problem. Are you thinking a raised ridge or just the color pattern?

Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:51:53 AM	#35
jellyhat Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1	OKAY! Redid my original idea so it wouldn't look as sloppy. They're feathers at the top. Critique?

Apr 3rd, 2011, 9:44:57 AM	#36
TeraVolt Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 145	Some minor edits to the original: ... Made ears bigger, fixed colors and shading. Also here's the back pic:

Apr 3rd, 2011, 12:06:30 PM	#37
Sambobz Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 93	Sunnt123 - maybe a lighter coloring to fit the younger feel.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 1:27:17 PM	#38
Rackham Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 253	So this is my attempt... He's not matured yet and so is protected by his downy hide, which later becomes his wings. His claws haven't developed either, I figured that wasn't a characteristic that pre-evos tend to have (they're usually more cuddly). I tried to make him look mischievous in keeping with the prankster element of CAP1. I might change bits of it or add some supporting material, but I think its pretty simple and self-explanatory as it is. I hope you like it, any tips would be greatly appreciated. __________________ ~Check out my RMT:Black and Blue~

Apr 3rd, 2011, 2:14:44 PM	#39
Goodock Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4	Draft Concept Alright, this is just a draft of my concept: My idea is supposed to be that he shows some elements of the evolution: the few feathers he has are imitating bigger claws because they aren't filled out enough to be wings yet. Also, his ears flatten out on his forehead to look like fangs when he is trying to scare someone away. I also thought that the fact that he looks a little ghost-like might make sense with the option of Scrappy as an ability. I'll try to put up a nicer looking version soon. Last edited by Goodock; Apr 4th, 2011 at 5:36:48 PM.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 2:23:17 PM	#40
Kevin Garrett is a competitor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Passaic County, NJ	I decided to alter my design to make it easier to understand and give it a different general feel. I made the hair more like the mane of its evolved form and then I moved the cute rolled up tail to its back. I also gave it a happier expression and some purple markings for eyebrows and whiskers. __________________ Last edited by Kevin Garrett; Apr 3rd, 2011 at 4:24:33 PM.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 4:02:52 PM	#41
paintseagull Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 481	Thanks everyone for the positive feedback. I cleaned up my sketch and added colours. I'll add some supporting stuff soon. @guddagudda: In the supporting material for the design, Cartoons mentioned that the fur hardens into feather-like quills, which is why I went for a pre-wing arm and egg design rather than a cub wearing bird feathers type design.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 4:24:55 PM	#42
Kevin Garrett is a competitor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Passaic County, NJ	I edited my design for the main pose with the changes I made for in the supporting material. __________________

Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:44:33 PM	#43
srk1214 Supreme Master of Trivia Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 824	@Kevin Garrett This is not a personal attack or anything, but I can't help but feel that your new pose of the prevo looks stupid, in the sense that it lacks intellectual capacity. I can't imagine it being mischievous because mischief requires thought. In this new pose, the only cry I can imagine it making is "Derp." I think the problem for me is the sitting pose. It just doesn't say Prankster to me at all. It reminds me much more of a teddy bear, which I guess is good... but it still looks like a stupid teddy bear. Maybe make it a bit more active. Take inspiration from Teddiursa, but with a bit more malevolence in its expression or pose.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:53:32 PM	#44
Kevin Garrett is a competitor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Passaic County, NJ	How is the picture of it using Aura Sphere in comparison? __________________

Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:17:20 PM	#46
McLuvdisc Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 337 Evergrande City	@paintseagull: Yours is probably my favorite so far. Its cute and fluffy, but it still retains an air of mischief and cunning. I have a few critiques, however. 1. The ears. They're a little big, aren't they? I know we can't even see daddy Tomohawk's ears because his hood thing is covering them, so for all we know his could be just as large or even larger. Still, it just seems wrong to me. 2. The eyes. In the original artwork, Tomohawk has pure white scleras with no irises and red pupils. You did yours in a different style, with white sclera, brown irises, and a white pupil. Personally, I think your eyes are more realistic and I prefer them over the original, but there's something to be said for consistency in style. Plus, I think your design could use a little dash of red. 3. The hands. This one is probably the most obvious and easiest to fix. You seem to have forgotten to give him claws on his front paws. I would chalk this up to him being a prevo with lesser attacking prowess, except you gave him claws on his feet. Claws, no claws...either style would look great, but you have to pick one and stick to it. 4. The purple war paint. I feel like you're wasting it. In the original artwork, its painted on it streaks that outline Tomohawk's eyes, making him look angry and menacing (it is, after all, war paint). In yours, it's just a shapeless glob, and you've placed it too far above his eyes. Also, I think you forgot to give it an outline. I'd ask you to fix it, but I honestly think it would be better if you just took it out. I imagine Tomohawk earning his war paint when he evolves, as a mark of his experience and maturity. This is completely a matter of personal preference and it's fine if you don't agree. __________________ The 25-year-old Hawaiian organ donor! Avatar by Lorak.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:18:47 PM	#47
Kevin Garrett is a competitor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,241 Passaic County, NJ	Final Submission Main Design Supporting Material CAP 1 Pre-Evo Aura Sphere __________________ Last edited by Kevin Garrett; Apr 9th, 2011 at 8:32:50 PM.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 9:20:47 PM	#49
*Oglemi they call me... THE OGLEBOMB Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,571 ~(^.^)~	@Jellyhat - I actually like yours the best. It feels the most natural and it's supremely executed. Well done. The only thing I could ask for is to give it bolder colors.

Apr 3rd, 2011, 10:07:58 PM	#50
Engineer Pikachu take into the air... Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,193	I completely agree with Oglemi. I'm liking jellyhat's design the most out of everything submitted. However, the coloring seems a bit too light as of now. __________________ [11:35] <Zarator> My friend always laugh at me for liking young girls [11:35] <Zarator> I am still within reasonableness^^ GP Team - VM for a check!