VGC 2011 Speed Tiers - Article

Sixonesix · Jan 23rd, 2011, 8:25:22 PM

Magic Speed Numbers

Speed Stat | Boost | After Boost | Outspeeds

90 | +2 | 180 | +Speed base 111s
121 | +2 | 242 | +1 Neutral base 108s
123 | +1 | 186 | +Speed base 116s
141 | +2 | 282 | +2 Neutral base 88s
146 | +1 | 219 | +1 +Speed base 80s

Speed Stat | Pokemon | Base Speed | Nature | Boost | EVs

Tier 0 (Base 145 and Greater)
368 | Whimsicott | 116 | +Speed | +2 | 252
358 | Tornadus | 111 | +Speed | +2 | 252
346 | Liepard | 106 | +Speed | +2 | 252
294 | Sawsbuck | 95 | Neutral | +2 | 252
288 | Leavanny | 92 | Neutral | +2 | 252
284 | Lilligant | 90 | Neutral | +2 | 252
280 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | +2 | 252
264 | Chandelure, Stoutland | 80 | Neutral | +2 | 252
252 | Seismitoad | 74 | Neutral | +2 | 252
252 | Zebstrika | 116 | Neutral | +1 | 252
250 | Volcarona | 100 | +Speed | +1 | 252
244 | Thundurus | 111 | Neutral | +1 | 252
240 | Terrakion | 108 | Neutral | +1 | 252
229 | Landorus | 101 | Neutral | +1 | 252
225 | Hydreigon | 98 | Neutral | +1 | 252
224 | Jellicent, Maractus | 60 | Neutral | +2 | 252
223 | Haxorus | 97 | Neutral | +1 | 252
220 | Darmanitan | 95 | Neutral | +1 | 252
220 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral | +2 | 252
217 | Chandelure | 80 | +Speed | +1 | 252
216 | Krookodile | 92 | Neutral | +1 | 252
216 | Vanilluxe | 79 | +Speed | +1 | 252
216 | Accelgor | 145 | +Speed | +0 | 252

Tier 1 (Base 112 to Base 116)
198 | Chandelure | 80 | Neutral | +1 | 252
184 | Whimsicott, Zebstrika | 116 | +Speed | +0 | 252
184 | Carracosta | 32 | +Speed | +2 | 252
184 | Jellicent | 60 | +Speed | +1 | 252
183 | Cinccino | 115 | +Speed | +0 | 252
182 | Swoobat | 114 | +Speed | +0 | 252
181 | Serperior | 113 | +Speed | +0 | 252
180 | Scolipede | 112 | +Speed | +0 | 252

Tier 2 (Base 85 to Base 111)
179 | Tornadus, Thundurus | 111 | +Speed | +0 | 252
178 | Archeops | 110 | +Speed | +0 | 252
177 | Durant | 109 | +Speed | +0 | 252
176 | Terrakion, Virizion, Cobalion, Galvantula | 108 | +Speed | +0 | 252
173 | Liepard | 106 | +Speed | +0 | 252
172 | Mienshao, Zoroark, Cryogonal | 105 | +Speed | +0 | 252
170 | Emolga | 103 | +Speed | +0 | 252
168 | Landorus, Simipour, Simisear, Simisage | 101 | +Speed | +0 | 252
167 | Volcarona | 100 | +Speed | +0 | 252
165 | Hydreigon, Swanna, Basculin | 98 | +Speed | +0 | 252
163 | Haxorus, Sigilyph | 97 | +Speed | +0 | 252
161 | Darmanitan, Sawsbuck | 95 | +Speed | +0 | 252
159 | Unfezant | 93 | +Speed | +0 | 252
158 | Krookodile, Leavanny | 92 | +Speed | +0 | 252
156 | Lilligant, Klinklang | 90 | +Speed | +0 | 252
154 | Excadrill | 88 | +Speed | +0 | 252
153 | Landorus, Simipour, Simisear, Simisage | 101 | Neutral | +0 | 252
150 | Hydreigon, Swanna, Basculin | 98 | Neutral | +0 | 252
150 | Sawk | 85 | +Speed | +0 | 252
149 | Haxorus, Sigilyph | 97 | Neutral | +0 | 252
146 | +1 hits 219 speed | N/A | N/A | None | N/A
145 | Chandelure, Braviary, Stoutland, Mandibuzz | 80 | +Speed | +0 | 252
144 | Krookodile, Leavanny | 92 | Neutral | +0 | 252
141 | +2 hits 282 speed | N/A | N/A | None | N/A
140 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | +0 | 252
137 | Sawk | 85 | Neutral | +0 | 252

Tier 3 (Base 65 to Base 80)
132 | Chandelure, Braviary, Stoutland, Mandibuzz | 80 | Neutral | +0 | 252
123 | +1 hits 186 speed | N/A | N/A | None | N/A
122 | Bisharp | 70 | Neutral | +0 | 252
121 | +2 hits 242 speed | N/A | N/A | None | N/A
100 | Chandelure, Braviary, Stoutland, Mandibuzz | 80 | Neutral | +0 | 0
95 | Garbodor | 75 | Neutral | +0 | 0
92 | Carracosta | 32 | +Speed | +0 | 252
90 | +2 hits 180 speed | N/A | N/A | None | N/A
90 | Amoonguss | 30 | +Speed | +0 | 252
90 | Samurott, Bisharp | 70 | Neutral | +0 | 0
85 | Emboar, Alomomola, Gothitelle, Heatmor | 65 | Neutral | +0 | 0

Tier 4 (Base 60 and below)
80 | Jellicent, Maractus | 60 | Neutral | +0 | 0
78 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral | +0 | 0
76 | Chandelure | 80 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
75 | Golurk, Bouffalant | 55 | Neutral | +0 | 0
72 | Garbodor | 75 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
70 | Eelektross, Audino , Beartic | 50 | Neutral | +0 | 0
68 | Druddigon | 48 | Neutral | +0 | 0
67 | Samurott, Bisharp | 70 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
63 | Eelektross | 50 | -Speed; 31 IV | +0 | 0
63 | Emboar, Alomomola, Gothitelle, Heatmor | 65 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
58 | Jellicent, Maractus | 60 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
56 | Scrafty | 58 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
54 | Golurk, Bouffalant | 55 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
50 | Amoonguss, Reuniclus | 30 | Neutral | +0 | 0
49 | Eelektross, Audino, Beartic | 50 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
47 | Druddigon | 48 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
45 | Conkeldurr, Throh, Crustle | 45 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
40 | Beheeyem | 40 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
36 | Golurk | 55 | -Speed; 0 IV | -1 | 0
33 | Carracosta, Stunfisk | 32 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
31 | Reuniclus, Amoonguss, Cofagrigus | 30 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
30 | Musharna | 29 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
30 | Conkeldurr | 45 | -Speed; 0 IV | -1 | 0
27 | Gigalith | 25 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0
22 | Escavalier, Ferrothorn | 20 | -Speed; 0 IV | +0 | 0

HolyChipmunk · Jan 29th, 2011, 8:14:56 PM

Does Chlorophyll and Swift Swim count as Tier 0?

Sixonesix · Jan 30th, 2011, 11:35:54 AM

Chlorophyll, Swift Swim, base 79s+ with Choice Scarf, and certain Pokemon under Tailwind.

Sixonesix · Mar 23rd, 2011, 2:54:10 PM

I think I'm more or less finished with the main body. If anyone has more suggestions for the list, now would be a good time to post them.

cosmicexplorer · Mar 23rd, 2011, 4:48:30 PM

I would add Amoonguss that do not decrease their speed here too; I've seen a few, and they do a good job of royally screwing over most TR setup mons.

20 Spe Adamant Golurk is in the analysis, so it's probably a good idea to add.

I see no reason for +2 Accelgor to be in there. Unburden is as of yet unreleased, and it's very unlikely to be on a Tailwind team.

Sixonesix · Mar 23rd, 2011, 5:54:27 PM

It's redundant to add a separate entry for 20 Spe Golurk since it's only used to outspeed Scrafty--Scrafty can just as easily run the same number of speed EVs to regain the speed advantage if necessary.

I'll put in the other two things though.

muffinhead · May 25th, 2011, 10:50:27 PM

+2 jolly 252 liepard perhaps (for snatching tailwind)? not entirely necessary though

Darkmalice · May 26th, 2011, 4:46:41 AM

You could also add Choice Scarf Modest Chandelure and Vanilluxe; they're more commonly running Modest than a +Speed nature. +2 +Speed Terrakion should also be mentioned (Jolly Terrakion with Tailwind support, most commonly occurring as part of the Terrakion + Whimsicott combo).

Also +2 +Speed Carracosta (Shell Smash).

**sandman** · May 26th, 2011, 11:25:55 AM

Liepard also has Unburden so with a Focus Sash its quite common it'll be getting the boost.

muffinhead · May 26th, 2011, 4:21:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sandman

Liepard also has Unburden so with a Focus Sash its quite common it'll be getting the boost.

frankly, the only reason to use liepard is to snatch things and fake out. it is so fast that unburden wont do much for it. limber is much better against discharge users and mispredicting a Thundurus' thunder wave.

**sandman** · May 26th, 2011, 10:55:22 PM

I've seen a few run Dark Gem + Sucker Punch or Focus Sash to get the Unburden boost. It was good being able to Encore Terrakion, Thundurus and Tornadus after wards.

muffinhead · May 26th, 2011, 11:14:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sandman

I've seen a few run Dark Gem + Sucker Punch or Focus Sash to get the Unburden boost. It was good being able to Encore Terrakion, Thundurus and Tornadus after wards.

If you try to fake out any one of these pokemon while they protect, they will all outspeed and ohko. ill be writing up liepard [hopefully] soon and we can move this discussion there

Sixonesix · Aug 9th, 2011, 2:17:36 AM

Added all the suggestions presented. Any others? If not, I think this is about complete.

iss · Aug 15th, 2011, 10:58:37 AM

Add +2 max speed Timid Amoonguss. It outspeeds genies by one point in Tailwind, meaning it's actually good.

**Nexus** · Sep 25th, 2011, 10:11:26 PM

Moved this to articles to be put on-site, just needs an intro similar to the one in this article http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/vgc2010_speed_tiers

***Oglemi**** · Mar 30th, 2013, 1:49:19 AM

Getting Started

To begin with, find the maximum Speed of the Pokemon you're building. You can find this information on our analysis pages for each Pokemon. After you've found your maximum Speed, use the following tables to see how much Speed the threats you wish to outspeed have, and EV your Pokemon accordingly. Keep in mind that when calculating your maximum Speed stat, you need to take into account your Pokemon's Speed IV.

For example, neutral Speed natured Sawk can hit a maximum Speed of 137. No Pokemon in Sawk's Speed tier has greater than 132 Speed (neutral natured base 80s). You can therefore safely run 133 Speed, which only requires 224 EVs as opposed to 252, and still allows Sawk to outrun all necessary threats.

Speed Boosts

To calculate your necessary starting Speed when factoring in Agility, Rock Polish, Chlorophyll, or Swift Swim, all you need to do is add one to the Speed of the Pokemon you wish to outspeed, divide it by two and round up the result. In practice, for example, should you decide that you want your Quiver Dance Modest Lilligant to outspeed Adamant +2 Sawsbuck in the sun to avoid the faster Return, you just add one Sawsbuck's Speed, giving you 295. Dividing this in half and rounding up the result (from 147.5 to 148) gives you your desired starting Speed.

VGC Specifics

Remember that in VGC all Pokemon are level 50 and so Speeds are lower, and it takes more EVs to increase your Speed stat. Also, in VGC Speed altering mechanics, such as Icy Wind and Trick Room, are more prevalent and so there are more things to worry about when deciding what speed to run.

Jan 23rd, 2011, 8:25:22 PM	#1
Sixonesix Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,592	VGC 2011 Speed Tiers - Article Magic Speed Numbers Speed Stat \| Boost \| After Boost \| Outspeeds 90 \| +2 \| 180 \| +Speed base 111s 121 \| +2 \| 242 \| +1 Neutral base 108s 123 \| +1 \| 186 \| +Speed base 116s 141 \| +2 \| 282 \| +2 Neutral base 88s 146 \| +1 \| 219 \| +1 +Speed base 80s Speed Stat \| Pokemon \| Base Speed \| Nature \| Boost \| EVs Tier 0 (Base 145 and Greater) 368 \| Whimsicott \| 116 \| +Speed \| +2 \| 252 358 \| Tornadus \| 111 \| +Speed \| +2 \| 252 346 \| Liepard \| 106 \| +Speed \| +2 \| 252 294 \| Sawsbuck \| 95 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 288 \| Leavanny \| 92 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 284 \| Lilligant \| 90 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 280 \| Excadrill \| 88 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 264 \| Chandelure, Stoutland \| 80 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 252 \| Seismitoad \| 74 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 252 \| Zebstrika \| 116 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 250 \| Volcarona \| 100 \| +Speed \| +1 \| 252 244 \| Thundurus \| 111 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 240 \| Terrakion \| 108 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 229 \| Landorus \| 101 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 225 \| Hydreigon \| 98 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 224 \| Jellicent, Maractus \| 60 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 223 \| Haxorus \| 97 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 220 \| Darmanitan \| 95 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 220 \| Scrafty \| 58 \| Neutral \| +2 \| 252 217 \| Chandelure \| 80 \| +Speed \| +1 \| 252 216 \| Krookodile \| 92 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 216 \| Vanilluxe \| 79 \| +Speed \| +1 \| 252 216 \| Accelgor \| 145 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 Tier 1 (Base 112 to Base 116) 198 \| Chandelure \| 80 \| Neutral \| +1 \| 252 184 \| Whimsicott, Zebstrika \| 116 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 184 \| Carracosta \| 32 \| +Speed \| +2 \| 252 184 \| Jellicent \| 60 \| +Speed \| +1 \| 252 183 \| Cinccino \| 115 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 182 \| Swoobat \| 114 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 181 \| Serperior \| 113 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 180 \| Scolipede \| 112 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 Tier 2 (Base 85 to Base 111) 179 \| Tornadus, Thundurus \| 111 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 178 \| Archeops \| 110 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 177 \| Durant \| 109 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 176 \| Terrakion, Virizion, Cobalion, Galvantula \| 108 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 173 \| Liepard \| 106 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 172 \| Mienshao, Zoroark, Cryogonal \| 105 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 170 \| Emolga \| 103 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 168 \| Landorus, Simipour, Simisear, Simisage \| 101 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 167 \| Volcarona \| 100 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 165 \| Hydreigon, Swanna, Basculin \| 98 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 163 \| Haxorus, Sigilyph \| 97 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 161 \| Darmanitan, Sawsbuck \| 95 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 159 \| Unfezant \| 93 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 158 \| Krookodile, Leavanny \| 92 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 156 \| Lilligant, Klinklang \| 90 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 154 \| Excadrill \| 88 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 153 \| Landorus, Simipour, Simisear, Simisage \| 101 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 150 \| Hydreigon, Swanna, Basculin \| 98 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 150 \| Sawk \| 85 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 149 \| Haxorus, Sigilyph \| 97 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 146 \| +1 hits 219 speed \| N/A \| N/A \| None \| N/A 145 \| Chandelure, Braviary, Stoutland, Mandibuzz \| 80 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 144 \| Krookodile, Leavanny \| 92 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 141 \| +2 hits 282 speed \| N/A \| N/A \| None \| N/A 140 \| Excadrill \| 88 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 137 \| Sawk \| 85 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 Tier 3 (Base 65 to Base 80) 132 \| Chandelure, Braviary, Stoutland, Mandibuzz \| 80 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 123 \| +1 hits 186 speed \| N/A \| N/A \| None \| N/A 122 \| Bisharp \| 70 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 252 121 \| +2 hits 242 speed \| N/A \| N/A \| None \| N/A 100 \| Chandelure, Braviary, Stoutland, Mandibuzz \| 80 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 95 \| Garbodor \| 75 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 92 \| Carracosta \| 32 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 90 \| +2 hits 180 speed \| N/A \| N/A \| None \| N/A 90 \| Amoonguss \| 30 \| +Speed \| +0 \| 252 90 \| Samurott, Bisharp \| 70 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 85 \| Emboar, Alomomola, Gothitelle, Heatmor \| 65 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 Tier 4 (Base 60 and below) 80 \| Jellicent, Maractus \| 60 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 78 \| Scrafty \| 58 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 76 \| Chandelure \| 80 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 75 \| Golurk, Bouffalant \| 55 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 72 \| Garbodor \| 75 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 70 \| Eelektross, Audino , Beartic \| 50 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 68 \| Druddigon \| 48 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 67 \| Samurott, Bisharp \| 70 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 63 \| Eelektross \| 50 \| -Speed; 31 IV \| +0 \| 0 63 \| Emboar, Alomomola, Gothitelle, Heatmor \| 65 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 58 \| Jellicent, Maractus \| 60 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 56 \| Scrafty \| 58 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 54 \| Golurk, Bouffalant \| 55 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 50 \| Amoonguss, Reuniclus \| 30 \| Neutral \| +0 \| 0 49 \| Eelektross, Audino, Beartic \| 50 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 47 \| Druddigon \| 48 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 45 \| Conkeldurr, Throh, Crustle \| 45 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 40 \| Beheeyem \| 40 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 36 \| Golurk \| 55 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| -1 \| 0 33 \| Carracosta, Stunfisk \| 32 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 31 \| Reuniclus, Amoonguss, Cofagrigus \| 30 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 30 \| Musharna \| 29 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 30 \| Conkeldurr \| 45 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| -1 \| 0 27 \| Gigalith \| 25 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 22 \| Escavalier, Ferrothorn \| 20 \| -Speed; 0 IV \| +0 \| 0 Last edited by Sixonesix; Aug 9th, 2011 at 2:15:37 AM.

Jan 29th, 2011, 8:14:56 PM	#2
HolyChipmunk California's finest chodesmuggler Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 338	Does Chlorophyll and Swift Swim count as Tier 0? __________________ Originally Posted by Fat Fisdunction I apologize for anything I may or may not have done in my drunken stupor last night. Apparently I made a wheat farm on the roof. If it works, you're welcome. If not, oops.

Mar 23rd, 2011, 4:48:30 PM	#5
cosmicexplorer pewpewpew Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,555 Bethesda, MD	I would add Amoonguss that do not decrease their speed here too; I've seen a few, and they do a good job of royally screwing over most TR setup mons. 20 Spe Adamant Golurk is in the analysis, so it's probably a good idea to add. I see no reason for +2 Accelgor to be in there. Unburden is as of yet unreleased, and it's very unlikely to be on a Tailwind team. __________________ FATECRASHERS MADE MY AVATAR! Go look at more art! Currently out, college apps are poison. C&Cers, contact me if you need any help with anything important. Sorry!

May 25th, 2011, 10:50:27 PM	#7
muffinhead b202 wifi vgc Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 933 wow, fantastic baby	+2 jolly 252 liepard perhaps (for snatching tailwind)? not entirely necessary though __________________ [ vgc youtube \| stream ] 12:49:41 JRank lol i've still won more than you guys have 12:49:47 JRank i'll win with whatever team wins geee geee spreads um

May 26th, 2011, 4:46:41 AM	#8
Darkmalice Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,172 Adelaide, Australia	You could also add Choice Scarf Modest Chandelure and Vanilluxe; they're more commonly running Modest than a +Speed nature. +2 +Speed Terrakion should also be mentioned (Jolly Terrakion with Tailwind support, most commonly occurring as part of the Terrakion + Whimsicott combo). Also +2 +Speed Carracosta (Shell Smash). __________________ Wanna play Doubles? Check it out here! Let's make this metagame official!

Jan 30th, 2011, 11:35:54 AM	#3
Sixonesix Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,592	Chlorophyll, Swift Swim, base 79s+ with Choice Scarf, and certain Pokemon under Tailwind.

Mar 23rd, 2011, 2:54:10 PM	#4
Sixonesix Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,592	I think I'm more or less finished with the main body. If anyone has more suggestions for the list, now would be a good time to post them.

Mar 23rd, 2011, 5:54:27 PM	#6
Sixonesix Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,592	It's redundant to add a separate entry for 20 Spe Golurk since it's only used to outspeed Scrafty--Scrafty can just as easily run the same number of speed EVs to regain the speed advantage if necessary. I'll put in the other two things though.

May 26th, 2011, 11:25:55 AM	#9
sandman Bum bum bum bum Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,125 #nuggetbridge	Liepard also has Unburden so with a Focus Sash its quite common it'll be getting the boost.

May 26th, 2011, 10:55:22 PM	#11
sandman Bum bum bum bum Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,125 #nuggetbridge	I've seen a few run Dark Gem + Sucker Punch or Focus Sash to get the Unburden boost. It was good being able to Encore Terrakion, Thundurus and Tornadus after wards.

Aug 9th, 2011, 2:17:36 AM	#13
Sixonesix Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,592	Added all the suggestions presented. Any others? If not, I think this is about complete.

Aug 15th, 2011, 10:58:37 AM	#14
iss perpetual semifinalist Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,969 sirndpt <3	Add +2 max speed Timid Amoonguss. It outspeeds genies by one point in Tailwind, meaning it's actually good. __________________ "Mienfoo is a shitty Pokemon." - blarajan

Sep 25th, 2011, 10:11:26 PM	#15
Nexus Number C96: Dark Storm Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,377 Mentor	Moved this to articles to be put on-site, just needs an intro similar to the one in this article http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/vgc2010_speed_tiers __________________

Mar 30th, 2013, 1:49:19 AM	#16
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,500 ~(^.^)~	Getting Started To begin with, find the maximum Speed of the Pokemon you're building. You can find this information on our analysis pages for each Pokemon. After you've found your maximum Speed, use the following tables to see how much Speed the threats you wish to outspeed have, and EV your Pokemon accordingly. Keep in mind that when calculating your maximum Speed stat, you need to take into account your Pokemon's Speed IV. For example, neutral Speed natured Sawk can hit a maximum Speed of 137. No Pokemon in Sawk's Speed tier has greater than 132 Speed (neutral natured base 80s). You can therefore safely run 133 Speed, which only requires 224 EVs as opposed to 252, and still allows Sawk to outrun all necessary threats. Speed Boosts To calculate your necessary starting Speed when factoring in Agility, Rock Polish, Chlorophyll, or Swift Swim, all you need to do is add one to the Speed of the Pokemon you wish to outspeed, divide it by two and round up the result. In practice, for example, should you decide that you want your Quiver Dance Modest Lilligant to outspeed Adamant +2 Sawsbuck in the sun to avoid the faster Return, you just add one Sawsbuck's Speed, giving you 295. Dividing this in half and rounding up the result (from 147.5 to 148) gives you your desired starting Speed. VGC Specifics Remember that in VGC all Pokemon are level 50 and so Speeds are lower, and it takes more EVs to increase your Speed stat. Also, in VGC Speed altering mechanics, such as Icy Wind and Trick Room, are more prevalent and so there are more things to worry about when deciding what speed to run. __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum