(Gen 1) partial trapping moves on NB

Hipmonlee · May 27th, 2011, 7:45:51 PM

are glitched. Worse than we thought.

From Kamex's RBY stuff guide:

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Wrap does damage for 2-5 turns. There is a 37.5% chance that it will attack for 2 turns, a
37.5% chance that it will attack for 3 turns, a 12.5% chance that it will attack for 4 turns,
and a 12.5% chance that it will attack for 5 turns.

This isnt implemented, they seem to attack for each number of turns with the same probability.

IE they do on average 16.67% more damage per usage than they ought to. It's a pretty serious glitch.

Have a nice day.

Umby · May 27th, 2011, 7:53:53 PM

How/when did you find this out?

Hipmonlee · May 27th, 2011, 8:01:08 PM

Last night when I battled EW with a team full of onixes against a team full of onixes.

We used Bind 316 times, it hit 236 times, and the moves continued 586 times. Which is roughly 2.5 continues per hit -exactly what you would expect if it was continuing each amount of times with equal probability (bear in mind that there were some continues cut off due to KOs, though a very small number).

Have a nice day.

**Arcticblast** · May 27th, 2011, 8:03:05 PM

Pardon me asking, but... why exactly were you having a battle with twelve Onix?

Hipmonlee · May 27th, 2011, 8:05:06 PM

To test whether partial trapping moves were glitched or not.

My maths was off, they do 16.67% more than they ought to per hit. Still pretty significant.

Have a nice day.

t3h Icy · May 27th, 2011, 8:11:12 PM

1 3/8 = 3/8
2 3/8 = 6/8
3 1/8 = 3/8
4 1/8 = 4/8
=16/8 = 2 continues per use on average.

1 1/4 = 1/4
2 1/4 = 2/4
3 1/4 = 3/4
4 1/4 = 4/4
=10/4 = 2.5 continues per use on average

586 continues over 236 hits is 2.483....

So it looks like Netbattle is bugged.

133tSneasel · May 29th, 2011, 12:02:34 PM

Couldn't you have use Tangela? or Pokemon with Wrap?

Ereborus Nyx · May 29th, 2011, 1:38:26 PM

nah, onix is the only way froward, plus, things like bind and wrap are NFE on it, so more time for analysis

420 · May 29th, 2011, 3:02:48 PM

how BORED do you have to be to do this?

Ereborus Nyx · May 29th, 2011, 3:29:47 PM

very bored and slightly senile

Parasol_Kirby · May 29th, 2011, 6:05:53 PM

Good find! Even so, it reminds me of that section from the premier issue of The Smog:

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The Smogon University Journal - Immediately what springs to mind is that this magazine is going to be some bone-dry academic piece full of boring figures and tl;dr written by people with little in their lives but Pokémon. Imagine Jumpman and Tangerine in dusty tweed jackets and glasses so thick that they double up as Choice Specs while they sit in an office drinking cranberry juice from tea cups and discussing the optimal distribution of the 4 EVs left over in your garden-variety 252/252 spread. This is the Smogon University Journal.

t3h Icy · May 29th, 2011, 9:16:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat DL13

nah, onix is the only way froward, plus, things like bind and wrap are NFE on it, so more time for analysis

?_?

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Originally Posted by Fat 420

how BORED do you have to be to do this?

Hold CTRL + Spacebar and you're done in minutes at most.

Destiny Warrior · May 29th, 2011, 10:26:56 PM

I think people should stop criticizing this kind of bug testing. They've obviously taken effort to do this.

**Pocket** · Jun 1st, 2011, 4:49:38 PM

To whom could we report this bug? It would be nice to adhere loyally to the actual mechanics. It can make quite a difference.

If not NBS, we should notify PO about this, so that Wrap would be implemented correctly.

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May 27th, 2011, 8:01:08 PM	#3
Hipmonlee Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,299	Last night when I battled EW with a team full of onixes against a team full of onixes. We used Bind 316 times, it hit 236 times, and the moves continued 586 times. Which is roughly 2.5 continues per hit -exactly what you would expect if it was continuing each amount of times with equal probability (bear in mind that there were some continues cut off due to KOs, though a very small number). Have a nice day.

May 27th, 2011, 8:05:06 PM	#5
Hipmonlee Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,299	To test whether partial trapping moves were glitched or not. My maths was off, they do 16.67% more than they ought to per hit. Still pretty significant. Have a nice day.

May 27th, 2011, 8:11:12 PM	#6
t3h Icy Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 73	1 3/8 = 3/8 2 3/8 = 6/8 3 1/8 = 3/8 4 1/8 = 4/8 =16/8 = 2 continues per use on average. 1 1/4 = 1/4 2 1/4 = 2/4 3 1/4 = 3/4 4 1/4 = 4/4 =10/4 = 2.5 continues per use on average 586 continues over 236 hits is 2.483.... So it looks like Netbattle is bugged.

May 29th, 2011, 3:02:48 PM	#9
420 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 249 Custom User Title	how BORED do you have to be to do this?

May 29th, 2011, 10:26:56 PM	#13
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