CAP 1 - Final Product - Page 3

Spenstar · May 25th, 2011, 5:05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tortferngatr

We had that as a goal with Syclant.

We realized there might be legal issues/Game Freak might not be willing to accept a fanwork precedent. Additionally, I think we would lose the rights to Tomohawk and Scratchet. Game Freak might even nerf the shit out of them if they accepted, although that isn't necessarily likely.

On the other hand, Tomohawk does look pretty awesome, and I wouldn't mind sending it as inspiration for an official Pokemon.

if I were gamefreak I wouldn't nerf it at all; maybe buff it a little or give Scratchet an alternate physical evo that keeps Scrappy. Unresisted STAB with Scrappy + Potential Tiger Pokemon who can use it = awesome. But that's just me x)

Umbreon Dan · May 25th, 2011, 6:36:58 PM

game freak is not going to accept fan-made designs because it doesn't make sense for them to fuck around with the ensuing copyright issues. it's easier (and safer) for them to just make their own pokemon.

TravelLog · May 25th, 2011, 9:39:48 PM

especially since anyone whose idea was used could then say they were entitled to a portion of any profits made from the game.

Aerodactyl Legend · May 26th, 2011, 7:40:01 PM

Yeah....enough about Game Freak.

Metal Bagon · May 31st, 2011, 3:18:33 AM

Can't wait to test out Tomohawk on the battlefield. I also like Tomohawks shiny form the most.

Also, when will the next CAP be made, I'd really like to become involved this time.

ErinDwight · Jun 1st, 2011, 9:19:17 PM

How can I help next time? I really want to help I got a few ideas that people might like...
I was doing a pokedex once with a friend and made 3 Starters with there evolutions and made 6...

DetroitLolcat · Jun 1st, 2011, 11:01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ErinDwight

How can I help next time? I really want to help I got a few ideas that people might like...
I was doing a pokedex once with a friend and made 3 Starters with there evolutions and made 6...

Well, since CAP is a community project, there isn't a ton one person can do. However, the best ways to contribute to a CAP is to submit ideas at the appropriate steps and vote in the polls. For example, if you have a good idea for a concept then post it, post a stat spread, movepool, etc. and vote for which ones are the best.

You must remember that CAP's primary goal is to fulfill a competitive concept, so the best thing you can do is become knowledgeable about the metagame and have a primarily competitive mindset.

shampoo · Jun 11th, 2011, 11:54:20 AM

I really like the prankster ablility with whirlwind.

ShyGuy1221 · Jun 12th, 2011, 12:42:14 AM

It's not like Whirlwind and Roar become priority moves with prankster. They go from -6 to -5 priority.

Aizen · Jul 13th, 2011, 2:46:53 PM

Nice CAP :)

StealthX · Jul 30th, 2011, 5:37:22 PM

I'll probably use it JUST FOR THE DESIGN! Its Awesome! =]

Doran Dragon · Aug 25th, 2011, 2:20:25 PM

Seems good overall, but I think the sprite doesnt fit with the 5th gen style. there were better sprites out there that I feel should have won.

remetagross · Aug 28th, 2011, 2:40:09 PM

Was the primary purpose actually reached?

SJCrew · Aug 28th, 2011, 3:51:30 PM

In my opinion, we didn't. When we look at the momentum shifters of OU, we see Espeon with Magic Bounce, which alters defensive momentum (Magic Bounce was disallowed), Scizor with his trademark Bullet Punch and U-turn (no usable attack, no priority, the movepool we chose did not include the move at all), Rotom-W's Volt Switch (not in the movepool we chose), Pranksters with paralysis and Encore (Tomohawk gets none of those!).

We really stretched ourselves too thin on this one. Too much obsession over what we didn't want Tomohawk to be, and all he could do in the end was become another generic attacker. Every single team I faced in playtesting was a Drizzle team with a SubRoost Tomohawk. Is that really what you guys wanted? I know that wasn't what I voted for.

ssbbm · Aug 28th, 2011, 4:14:29 PM

Well we came up with the best spinner and best sandstorm killer but I don't know that it really fit the theme of "momentum"; momentum is seen in Pokemon like ScarfGon in Gen 4 and such. Also, momentum is also seen with the common core of Scizor + Rotom-W; they control the momentum easily, forcing the opponent to respond by either saccing a Pokemon or slowly being worn down.

Pwnemon · Aug 28th, 2011, 6:05:33 PM

Yeah, I'm with SJCrew on this one. I felt throughout the entire process that people were more focused with redeeming their failure in Krillowatt than actually making a Momentum pokemon, and in the end he was even a shaky check to the pokemon he was supposed to be a utility counter/ momentum grabber to, like excadrill.

Here's hoping CAP2 doesn't stray from the mission statement.

Lady Salamence · Aug 28th, 2011, 6:22:57 PM

But you have to admit, even if Tomohawk didn't become the perfect CAP we wanted him to be, he does have his niches.

Pwnemon · Aug 28th, 2011, 6:26:08 PM

Yes, he's more or less Voodoom and or arghonaut 2.0 though, which is sad.

May 25th, 2011, 6:36:58 PM	#52
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May 25th, 2011, 9:39:48 PM	#53
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Jun 12th, 2011, 12:42:14 AM	#59
ShyGuy1221 Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 329 California, United States	It's not like Whirlwind and Roar become priority moves with prankster. They go from -6 to -5 priority. __________________ My CaPASB Team

Jul 13th, 2011, 2:46:53 PM	#60
Aizen Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 16 UK	Nice CAP :) __________________ The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal that you don't see.

Jul 30th, 2011, 5:37:22 PM	#61
StealthX Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 478 Hyrule....	I'll probably use it JUST FOR THE DESIGN! Its Awesome! =] __________________ Weasley's Wizard Weezes [Trade Thread] http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3451907 Please answer my CMTs in MY thread Always happy to do Shiny/Non Shiny Generation 5 BPs! PM me if you're interested!

May 26th, 2011, 7:40:01 PM	#54
Aerodactyl Legend Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 967 Is inside an enemy AC130 above.	Yeah....enough about Game Freak.

May 31st, 2011, 3:18:33 AM	#55
Metal Bagon Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,667	Can't wait to test out Tomohawk on the battlefield. I also like Tomohawks shiny form the most. Also, when will the next CAP be made, I'd really like to become involved this time.

Jun 1st, 2011, 9:19:17 PM	#56
ErinDwight Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2	How can I help next time? I really want to help I got a few ideas that people might like... I was doing a pokedex once with a friend and made 3 Starters with there evolutions and made 6...

Jun 11th, 2011, 11:54:20 AM	#58
shampoo Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16	I really like the prankster ablility with whirlwind.

Aug 25th, 2011, 2:20:25 PM	#62
Doran Dragon Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,158 Isla Nublar; Dinosaurs, fuck yeah!	Seems good overall, but I think the sprite doesnt fit with the 5th gen style. there were better sprites out there that I feel should have won. __________________ Best song ever :) I really love spirit science. Check it out, but keep an open mind. Jurassic LoL: "Clever Champ..."

Aug 28th, 2011, 2:40:09 PM	#63
remetagross Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 42 Near Paris	Was the primary purpose actually reached?

Aug 28th, 2011, 3:51:30 PM	#64
SJCrew Believer, going on a journey... Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,802	In my opinion, we didn't. When we look at the momentum shifters of OU, we see Espeon with Magic Bounce, which alters defensive momentum (Magic Bounce was disallowed), Scizor with his trademark Bullet Punch and U-turn (no usable attack, no priority, the movepool we chose did not include the move at all), Rotom-W's Volt Switch (not in the movepool we chose), Pranksters with paralysis and Encore (Tomohawk gets none of those!). We really stretched ourselves too thin on this one. Too much obsession over what we didn't want Tomohawk to be, and all he could do in the end was become another generic attacker. Every single team I faced in playtesting was a Drizzle team with a SubRoost Tomohawk. Is that really what you guys wanted? I know that wasn't what I voted for. __________________ (02:53:55) +shrang: sleep is epic (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: CBtar? (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: that sounds like a not bad set (16:04:25) +Steamroll: nobody likes me @Relados: snowflakes has no sense of humor

Aug 28th, 2011, 4:14:29 PM	#65
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,001 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	Well we came up with the best spinner and best sandstorm killer but I don't know that it really fit the theme of "momentum"; momentum is seen in Pokemon like ScarfGon in Gen 4 and such. Also, momentum is also seen with the common core of Scizor + Rotom-W; they control the momentum easily, forcing the opponent to respond by either saccing a Pokemon or slowly being worn down.

Aug 28th, 2011, 6:05:33 PM	#66
Pwnemon Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,998 Maryland	Yeah, I'm with SJCrew on this one. I felt throughout the entire process that people were more focused with redeeming their failure in Krillowatt than actually making a Momentum pokemon, and in the end he was even a shaky check to the pokemon he was supposed to be a utility counter/ momentum grabber to, like excadrill. Here's hoping CAP2 doesn't stray from the mission statement. __________________ [11:56pm] Pwnemon: statutory rape and all [11:56pm] bmelts: i have such a huge boner right now [9:28pm] Kadew: pwnemon that signature is like an x marking the spot of treasure, except instead of treasure its a pile of humorous garbage that turtles crapped out

Aug 28th, 2011, 6:22:57 PM	#67
Lady Salamence radda radda Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,291 ROFL ROFL ROFL	But you have to admit, even if Tomohawk didn't become the perfect CAP we wanted him to be, he does have his niches. __________________ oh dear [sigpic] broke

Aug 28th, 2011, 6:26:08 PM	#68
Pwnemon Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,998 Maryland	Yes, he's more or less Voodoom and or arghonaut 2.0 though, which is sad. __________________ [11:56pm] Pwnemon: statutory rape and all [11:56pm] bmelts: i have such a huge boner right now [9:28pm] Kadew: pwnemon that signature is like an x marking the spot of treasure, except instead of treasure its a pile of humorous garbage that turtles crapped out