|Jul 11th, 2011, 9:13:55 PM||#1|
Join Date: Jan 2006
Swap Drop and Roll: A SatisFactory Pokemon Guide
warning i kind of swear a lot so if you're a lil baby don't read on!!!
hi. battle factory is the only part of pokemon this jaded trainer has fun with anymore, but boy, can it ever be taxing. i finally got my coloured symbol, and it took me 340 hours over the course of a couple years to earn it. you may be thinking 'well if it took you so long maybe you arent the best person to be taking advice from!' and i must insist that such a statement is really hurtful and also kinda wrong. the amount of chance involved in the battle factory is positively heart-breaking. 4th gen really upped the ante on just how much shit a person must eat before getting their 49 wins. granted, 3rd gen only required 42 wins, but i beat the 3rd gen factory in five hours. if trends continue, 5th gen factory will take me somewhere around 23 000 hours.
firstly, if you're interested in undertaking this cruel endeavor, you may be asking yourself 'will it take me 340 hours?' the answer is a definite probably not. i say with candor that i think i just had an overwhelming amount of bad luck. you can probably do it in much less time, especially if you follow my helpful hints. so, young aspirant, take heed of my warnings and suckle at the teats of experience and regret!
also im only talking about open level here because this is called 'Swap Drop and Roll: A SatisFactory Pokemon Guide' not 'Pussy Shit for Faggots'
this is your new bible. jumpman16 is your new god. pray hard like a pious pope.
each pokemon has 4 sets. as a general rule, set 1 is the worst while set 4 is the best, though there are many exceptions. battles are fought in waves of 7 rounds. i will refer to each set of 7 as a wave, and each individual battle as a round. for the first six rounds of a wave, you will only encounter mons whose sets match your current wave. for the seventh and final battle, you will face mons from the wave after. simply put, for rounds 1-6, you will fight set 1 mons. for round 7 you will fight set 2 mons. for rounds 8-13 you will fight set 2 mons. for round 14 you will fight set 3 mons. this continues up until you would progress to set 5 mons, but since set 5 doesn't exist the game just starts to mix it up with having trainers use mons with differently numbered sets in the same round. round 28 is the first round you will be able to see a set 1 mon and a set 4 mon in the same round, for example. from then on, you you will continue to see trainers with mixed sets.
there are some exceptions. the main one is that, due to item clause, you can never face a pokemon with an item one of your pokemon, or a pokemon you could have taken during the last battle/opening 6, is carrying. say its round 8. your opening roster contains set 2 cradily. the nice lady tells you the opponent is carrying a skarmory. whether or not you take that cradily, you know for certain that the skarmory you are about to face is set 1, since set 2 uses leftovers and so does your potential cradily. you also know that the opponent's other mons are set 1 as well. if it weren't obvious, the same applies to pokemon you could potentially battle. in this situation, you also know for certain that whether or not you take it, cradily will not be seen in round 8, and skarmory will not be seen in round 9.
the rules are different for thorton, who you face during round 21. he can use legendaries and they will be of random set. however, any non-legendary he uses will always be set4.
the factory is soul-crushing simply because there are too many threats. in third gen factory you could have a team that would be literally unbeatable. this is not possible in fourth gen. even the most cosmetically indestructible teams can lose to that errant walrein, that rogue umbreon. i have been 3-0'd with set4 zapdos/set4 garchomp/set1 heatran by set2 quagsire. it doesn't feel good. it is misery. just before i finally got my coloured symbol, round 48 got my heart thumping. my team was set1 porygon2, set2 gardevoir, and set2 venusaur (the obvious strategy being paralyze with pory, leech seed with venu, and start calm minding until god summons the locusts). the opponent led with infernape. it used close combat to 1shot pory, and i realized that if this was set4 infernape i lost, and if it was set1 and decided it would be more in its favour to fire punch instead ko with uturn, i could win. it was set1, it did fire punch (i suppose it doesnt prioritize uturn due to the 'drawback' of swapping out), and i managed to seal the game with a well-timed sleep powder from venusaur. so much of the game comes down to 'oh well, if its x i win and if its y i lose', but there is a lot you can do to minimize the chances of those situations ever coming up, and even more you can do to reduce the toll said situations can take on both your streak and your psyche.
how the opening roster works, thanks to team rocket elite:
Battle Factory Open level swapping
In Round 1, you get 6 Set 1 Pokemon and they all have IV0.
In Round 2, if you swapped 7 times, you get 5 Set 2 Pokemon with IV 4 and 1 Set 3 Pokemon with IV8
In Round 2, if you swapped 6 or fewer times, you get 6 Set 2 Pokemon with IV 4
In Round 3, if you swapped 14 times, you get 4 Set 3 Pokemon with IV 8 and 2 Set 4 Pokemon with IV12
In Round 3, if you swapped between 7 and 13 times, you get 5 Set 3 Pokemon with IV 8 and 1 Set 4 Pokemon with IV12
In Round 3, if you swapped 6 or fewer times, you get 6 Set 3 Pokemon with IV 8
In Round 4, if you swapped 21 times, you get 3 Set 4 Pokemon with IV 12 and 3 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16
In Round 4, if you swapped between 14 and 20 times, you get 4 Set 4 Pokemon with IV12 and 2 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16
In Round 4, if you swapped between 7 and 13 times, you get 5 Set 4 Pokemon with IV12 and 1 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16
In Round 4, if you swapped 6 or fewer times, you get 6 Set 4 Pokemon with IV 12
In Round 5, if you swapped 28 times, you will get 2 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16 and 4 Set 5 Pokemon with IV20
In Round 5, if you swapped between 21 and 27 times, you will get 3 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16 and 3 Set 5 Pokemon with IV20
In Round 5, if you swapped between 14 and 20 times, you will get 4 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16 and 2 Set 5 Pokemon with IV20
In Round 5, if you swapped between 7 and 13 times, you will get 5 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16 and 1 Set 5 Pokemon with IV20
In Round 5, if you swapped 6 or fewer times, you will get 6 Set 5 Pokemon with IV16
his 'round' is my 'wave'. i must express my confusion at these numbers though, since its impossible to swap 7 times going into wave 2 ?_?. subtract 1 from each number given, i guess.
it is worth noting, too, that if you've swapped every time, you can start seeing legendaries in your opening roster as early as wave 4, albeit rarely. while continuous swapping can make round 21's thorton more challenging (its very possible for you to have a badass team going into the fight with him and not wanting to trade anything), i assure you it's worth it in the long run. most legendaries are amazing, and getting one for wave 4 can trivialize said wave, allowing you to continue swapping with ease and in turn increasing the odds of you getting a legendary in your opening 6 for waves 5 and above. remember that your goal is not to beat thorton once, but twice, and that making the first battle against him harder with repeated swaps effectively makes everything up to and including thorton 2 easier.
switching is death. don't do it early in your streak. up to a certain number of matches the AI uses moves randomly (battles 1-20, and then 22-a random number. i have yet to figure out what causes the ai to start using the right move. i thought it was swaps but its not). the AI will never start being smart in the middle of a match, even if it seems like they have through their continuous stream of 'correct guesses'. thorton will always use the correct move. switching is only acceptable if you have access to the factory mon database and can ensure that none of the moves the opponent can use will compromise the mon you intend to bring in. switching becomes easier when the AI starts to use the best move, as there is no element of prediction; you know exactly what move they are going to use. this can allow for some sneaky shit (toggling between a jolteon and gyarados vs a set 4 electivire [eq/tpunch/ice punch/fire punch] until it was out of tpunch pp and i could set up some dragon dances with gyara). the only other time i recommend switching is if you're confused/attracted. these afflictions, while borderline laughable in 6mon battling, can destroy even the best team in the factory. always play it safe when afflicted. anyway, ensuring a safe switchin for a mon is of nonpareil importance. a lot of matches will be won 1-0. this is normal. most of your wins will involve killing their first mon with your first mon, revenging their second mon with your second mon, and revenging their third mon with your third mon.
my main strategy for the first few waves is keep a good, safe mon in reserve, and swap my lead depending on what i'm up against. this strategy is great since you know what they're leading with and usually one of the 3 can counter it. that puts you in a great 3-2 situation, and your good reserve mon can almost always get a mon and a half down, allowing, if all else fails, your third to clean up. you may feel dumb swapping your swampert for a mr mime but in the grand scheme of things it'll make for an easier journey.
during later rounds (anything 3 and beyond, basically), defensive synergy means a lot more than offensive synergy. this differs from regular pokemon in that your defensive synergy relies not on switching to minimize damage, but in confirming that you will not be ko'd by certain pokemon. say you have a metagross and a nidoking (dont laugh, nido is a good dude in the factory). you want a third mon like swampert or something, not to soak earthquakes on switches, but to kill the quaker after metagross dies so your nidoking doesnt auto-lose.
setting up is risky but can be worthwhile with certain mons. if, later in the game, you are blessed with a boon like set2 skarmory or set2 umbreon, don't lead with it. bring it out only vs something that can't kill it easily, then confirm 6 double teams and start cackling maniacally.
moves like stone edge suck. sometimes you have to use them, but avoid them whenever you can. mons like set4 aerodactly seem fantastic in theory, but often times games will come down to 'if stone edge hits i win and if it misses i lose'. don't put yourself in those situations. in regular pkmn, a move that will win you 8 games and lose you 2 is fantastic. in the battle factory, you can't lose two games. you can't lose any games. with half the resources a 6mon team has, a miss is twice as gamebreaking. facile math, i know, but i think it's pretty accurate.
legendaries aren't always good. set2 latias is fucking garbage. don't be fooled by BSTs.
white herb + leaf storm variation is an incredibly potent combo. roserade3 and 4 will almost always get two kills.
almost every loss i had, i could have done something to prevent it. even when you lose to bad luck, there is usually something you could have done to not put yourself in that situation. example: round 21, vs thorton. i have set3 infernape, set3 staraptor, and set3 drapion. thorton is leading with the aforementioned set2 latias. i decided i would switch to staraptor, take an intimidated zen headbutt for next to nothing, and return twice for game. i got one return off, but unfortunately, i lost to two flinches and then a crit. in retrospect, i realized that i should have swapped in drapion to negate the zen headbutt, then to staraptor to negate the eq, then back to drap to either soak a -1 neutral dragon claw or negate a zen headbutt (normally the AI will always use a perfect accuracy move over one with imperfect accuracy but in situations like this they choose randomly between them because of zen headbutt's potential flinch), then back to staraptor, and so on and so on until latias is at -6. drapion had battle armor so i could guarantee i'd be 3-2 with full health nape and full health staraptor waiting in the wings. that's too obvious an example since it's rarely as cut and dry as manipulating immunities, but i can't think of a better one right now.
always check a damage calculator when you're not sure if something will ko. remember what i said about putting yourself in bad situations?
explosion and destiny bond are incredible. simplifying to 2-2 can be risky even if your other 2 mons are great, but these two moves can easily turn a 3-2 lead into a 2-1 lead which is very, very hard to lose with.
trick room is actually really cool. one time i beat an entire wave with set3 exeggutor into set4 marowak. nothing beats trick room marowak.
bad items are bad, and good items are beyond incredible. leftovers turns almost anything into a good pokemon.
even when the AI starts to make the right move, you will win the occasional battle you shouldn't thanks to their attempts at prediction. when you are very low on health, the AI 'predicts' a switch and will use a move that it thinks would hit your potential switch-in for more damage. this is usually enough to kill you anyway, but sometimes you will win because it'll opt to use stone edge instead of earthquaking for game, stone edge will miss, and you'll kill it.
when the AI gets its act together, flying/levitating mons get even better and borderline staple on teams. i really cannot express the importance of being able to switch in on earthquakes freely.
the most important tip i can give you is to walk into the factory with an open mind. mons that seem terrible can be incredible, and the reverse holds true. every tyranitar is pretty terrible, while every leafeon is at least decent since it has that cheekily fast leaf blade. i have swept 4 rounds in a row with set4 walrein. walrein.
i will now give a tiny review of every mon available. that's a lot of fucking mons. sets taken from jump's guide, of course.
as a disclaimer, you may notice that a lot of my opinions contradict each other. very well then, i contradict myself (i am large, i contain multitudes). whitman aside, it's worth noting that waves 1 and 2 are very different from 3 onward. 3 onward you are playing to win. 1 and 2 you are playing to win quickly. 1 and 2 involve getting a mon with a strong earthquake and going from there. many things are great wave 1 and 2 and piss-poor later on.
406 | Abomasnow | Calm | Lum Berry | Giga Drain | Ice Beam | Water Pulse | GrassWhistle | HP/SpA
awful. perma-hail will never help your team, and if it helps your team your team sucks and you need to change it. stab ice beam is pretty good, especially early game, but thats no reason to use this asshole. watch out when fighting him, grasswhistle is bullshit.
542 | Abomasnow | Bold | Big Root | Giga Drain | Sheer Cold | Ingrain | Leech Seed | HP/Def/SpD
hail sucks but leech seed makes everything better. everything with leech seed gets a passing mark in my books. sheer cold is also hilarious if you wanna be zany.
678 | Abomasnow | Quiet | Occa Berry | Energy Ball | Blizzard | Shadow Ball | Focus Blast | HP/SpA
why is this quiet? stab 100 accuracy blizzard is a terrifying thing to be up against depending on your team, but this just never worked out whenever i tried it.
814 | Abomasnow | Brave | Shell Bell | Wood Hammer | Avalanche | Earthquake | Rock Slide | HP/Atk
why is this brave? dont bother. twin 120-power stabs are incredible but abomasnow just loses to way too much shit.
374 | Absol | Jolly | Chople Berry | Sucker Punch | Facade | Double Team | Taunt | Atk/Spe
awful up until round 30+ when they start using the right moves, then sucker punch can win you a couple important games. until then enjoy sucker punching the wrong shit at the wrong time. one time i lost cause i absent-mindedly thunder waved this thing. oops!!!!!
510 | Absol | Adamant | Quick Claw | Punishment | Swagger | Attract | Thunder Wave | HP/Atk
be careful of anything with attract/twave/swagger. your shit can get fucked up if you miss enough coin flips in a row. dont bother using gimmicks like this, though.
646 | Absol | Jolly | Razor Claw | Night Slash | Psycho Cut | X-Scissor | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
too slow and night slash is not strong enough to ko important shit.
782 | Absol | Adamant | Choice Band | Night Slash | Superpower | Giga Impact | Zen Headbutt | Atk/Spe
this is actually pretty cool, choice band gives night slash the punch it needs to get shit done. i've used this guy to moderate success. don't worry too much about facing him, if your team is well-built anything with choice band is just begging to get outplayed.
443 | Aerodactyl | Jolly | King's Rock | Rock Slide | Aerial Ace | Torment | Taunt | Atk/Spe
garbage. stabs are too weak. one time i taunted umbreon2 and felt pretty proud of myself.
579 | Aerodactyl | Jolly | Razor Fang | Bite | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | Atk/Spe
dont mind me just using a frail sweeper with every move having and unstabbed <70 base power
715 | Aerodactyl | Adamant | Yache Berry | Giga Impact | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Crunch | Atk/Spe
earthquake is almost always good, and giga impact can randomly confirm some kills. not a bad mon by any stretch. watch out for rock slide flinches, they will happen when you play vs mons like this.
851 | Aerodactyl | Adamant | Choice Band | Stone Edge | Aerial Ace | Earthquake | Dragon Claw | Atk/Spe
amazing in theory, decent in practice. as mentioned earlier, this will win you games 80% of the time, but sadly that isn't quite good enough in the factory.
463 | Aggron | Adamant | Quick Claw | Iron Head | Rock Slide | Sandstorm | Screech | Atk/Def
not the worst guy in the world, being set1 you'll see him during wave 1 usually which means you can see exactly what theyre using and can bring him in when they dont have a ground/fighting/water mon. quick claw is funny.
599 | Aggron | Adamant | Quick Claw | Metal Claw | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Def
bad, too many set2 mons with punches/fangs and this one doesn't do it very well.
735 | Aggron | Adamant | Muscle Band | Iron Tail | Dragon Rush | Avalanche | Aerial Ace | Atk/Def
stab iron tail hits way harder than you'd expect. not a good mon to use, but definitely a mon to be careful of.
871 | Aggron | Adamant | Focus Sash | Metal Burst | Stone Edge | Earthquake | Shadow Claw | Atk/Def
focus sash metal burst is sneaky, but not overly effective. unlike weavile and a couple others, once this guy kills someone with metal burst he will do nothing to the next pokemon except scout out what set it is as he dies.
401 | Alakazam | Timid | Brightpowder | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Calm Mind | Future Sight | SpA/Spe
zam hits hard. good since you can scout when they have special mons and probably get in a cm or two, then sweep. definitely a good mon early on. one to be scared of too since a) bright powder is bullshit and b) even timid psychics will do a lot of damage to a lot of mons.
537 | Alakazam | Modest | Colbur Berry | Psychic | Focus Blast | Charge Beam | Recover | SpA/Spe
recover? oh ok
673 | Alakazam | Timid | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Charge Beam | Signal Beam | Grass Knot | SpA/Spe
grass knot can solve some key problems your team may have. not much on his own (though again, timid psychic hits for a lot especially with those glasses) but an incredible team player depending on your other guys. a solid mon to pick if only because speed is everything.
809 | Alakazam | Modest | Expert Belt | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Energy Ball | Focus Blast | SpA/Spe
this thing is fucking crazy. you can one-shot tauros with psychic. if you can get it and dont mind doing some damage calcs to make sure of important kills, you will tear through teams.
404 | Altaria | Careful | Chesto Berry | Dragon Claw | Aerial Ace | Dragon Dance | Rest | Atk/SpD
i think i lost to this one time and i was really mad because it's terrible. though i hate to laud anything about altaria, rest is a very useful move in some situations as it allows you to beat any toxistaller one on one. still, fuck altaria.
540 | Altaria | Modest | Shell Bell | Dragon Pulse | Ominous Wind | Sing | Perish Song | SpA/SpD
676 | Altaria | Adamant | Brightpowder | Dragon Rush | Sky Attack | Earthquake | Dragon Dance | Atk/SpD
why is +1 dragon rush barely doing any damage? oh right, fuck altaria.
812 | Altaria | Modest | White Herb | Draco Meteor | Air Cutter | Flamethrower | Ice Beam | SpA/Spe
this is actually an ok mon. meteorherb is a very useful strategy even when your spatk is kind of lacking, and the coverage can help a lot. still, fuck altaria.
393 | Ambipom | Jolly | Muscle Band | Double Hit | Shadow Claw | Brick Break | Knock Off | Atk/Spe
ok early game if it has technician, if it has run away do just that.
529 | Ambipom | Jolly | Metronome | Last Resort | Thunder Wave | Protect | Fake Out | Atk/Spe
what a gimmick. enjoy losing to ghosts/rocks/anything that can handle your whopping 5 pp of offensive moves. a joke to play against since you will almost always play vs it early game meaning it will never use the moves in the right order, rendering the gimmick obsolete.
665 | Ambipom | Adamant | Life Orb | Double Hit | Gunk Shot | Seed Bomb | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
good with technician, terrible with run away
801 | Ambipom | Adamant | Life Orb | Double Hit | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
worse than set3 imo, seed bomb and 90 power aerial ace are really niche
420 | Ampharos | Modest | Shuca Berry | Thunderbolt | Power Gem | Light Screen | Thunder Wave | SpA/SpD
not a bad mon at all. shuca is fun for everyone, stab tbolt with modest is good shit, thunder wave is an incredible move and holy fuck this thing soaks special hits.
556 | Ampharos | Careful | Cheri Berry | ThunderPunch | Fire Punch | Focus Punch | Thunder Wave | Atk/SpD
only use this if its the only possible thunder waver and you have something like set2 gyarados that just really really really wants to get a couple dances off
692 | Ampharos | Modest | Chesto Berry | Charge Beam | Hyper Beam | Thunder Wave | Rest | HP/SpA
i used this for rounds 36-42 in my winning streak and oh my god is it amazing. you can sneak in a couple charge beam boosts and thunder wave rest is an incredible combo, especially with a chesto backing it up. both as team support and as a sole powerhouse, this thing does not disappoint. i dont think any other mons have twave and rest.
828 | Ampharos | Quiet | Zoom Lens | Thunder | Focus Blast | Signal Beam | Power Gem | HP/SpA
this thing is scary to play against since it seems to always hit with thunder. not worth using because even 84 accuracy thunder is too risky
480 | Arcanine | Jolly | Lum Berry | Fire Fang | ExtremeSpeed | Crunch | Will-O-Wisp | Atk/Spe
i dont get to use this guy often but a fast willowisp is really cool. it wont be doing much damage to anyone though.
616 | Arcanine | Jolly | Salac Berry | Flare Blitz | Thunder Fang | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe
flare blitz is amazing. use this guy. pretend his moveset is flare blitz/---/---/---.
752 | Arcanine | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | SolarBeam | Dragon Pulse | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
there are lots of sunnybeamers, this one is interesting in that it is the only one that can hit dragons while doing so. unfortunately it doesnt really hit them for anything and almost every dragon can do a lot more damage to it.
888 | Arcanine | Adamant | Focus Band | Flare Blitz | ExtremeSpeed | Crunch | Thunder Fang | Atk/Spe
truly an incredible mon. adamant flare blitz should be illegal. focus band for some more bullshit? sign me up.
410 | Armaldo | Adamant | Razor Claw | X-Scissor | Rock Slide | Earthquake | Iron Defense | Atk/SpD
useful early game if only because of what wonders those spdef evs do. soaks hits from frail special guys and usually one shots them back. not bad at all.
546 | Armaldo | Adamant | Scope Lens | Crush Claw | Aqua Tail | Aerial Ace | Swagger | Atk/SpD
what the fuck were they thinking
682 | Armaldo | Adamant | Choice Band | Stone Edge | Superpower | Earthquake | Giga Impact | Atk/Def
slow choice banders suck. if this thing had x scissor itd be ok but it doesnt so its not.
818 | Armaldo | Adamant | Life Orb | Stone Edge | X-Scissor | Earthquake | Cross Poison | Atk/Def
one of the few available life orbers, this thing is sadly not any better than set3 because freedom to choose moves is irrelevant when you're dead. and you're armaldo so you probably are.
895 | Articuno | Docile | Icy Rock | Blizzard | Fly | Roost | Hail | Atk/SpA
bad legendary. kind of dangerous to play against since those blizzards can hurt
909 | Articuno | Brave | Wacan Berry | Avalanche | Aerial Ace | Facade | Reflect | Atk/Def
this thing is really bulky, i recommend stalling it out so you kill it as its reflect ends, as whatever is coming out next is probably scarier behind a reflect than articuno is
923 | Articuno | Modest | Wise Glasses | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Ominous Wind | Water Pulse | Def/SpA
useable if only because stab ice beam is so rare
937 | Articuno | Modest | Charti Berry | Ice Beam | Air Cutter | AncientPower | Sheer Cold | SpA/SpD
watch out for this thing's sheer cold. i've been very mad at this articuno before.
411 | Bastiodon | Impish | Focus Band | Iron Head | Stone Edge | Swagger | Taunt | Def/SpD
you might lose to its swagger, but you will probably kill it
547 | Bastiodon | Modest | Persim Berry | AncientPower | Flamethrower | Thunderbolt | Ice Beam | HP/SpA
683 | Bastiodon | Careful | Leftovers | Iron Head | Fissure | Double Team | Iron Defense | HP/SpD
one of the myriad mons that is terrifying to go up against but just awful to use. if you have the wrong team you can lose to this thing in a heartbeat. if you have a team without earthquake or close combat but a rester or a guy who resists iron head, you can usually beat this thing by forcing it to struggle, but it will take a long fucking time. watch tv while you do it or something.
819 | Bastiodon | Adamant | Focus Sash | Metal Burst | Stone Edge | Avalanche | Curse | HP/Atk
worse version of an already bad aggron
353 | Blastoise | Modest | Mystic Water | Hydro Pump | Signal Beam | Icy Wind | Mirror Coat | Def/SpA/SpD
i really wish they had given this thing some spatk to take advantage of how monstrous mystic water hydro pump is. it still is pretty potent though. mirror coat + bulk is amazing, but sadly youll get this guy early when they use random moves and mirror coat is a terrible choice
489 | Blastoise | Adamant | Shell Bell | Waterfall | Focus Punch | Double Team | Aqua Ring | HP/Atk
annoying to play vs, terrible to use
625 | Blastoise | Adamant | Life Orb | Aqua Tail | Earthquake | Avalanche | Zen Headbutt | HP/Atk
if this had waterfall i'd say it was good but it doesn't so no. even with life orb your eqs are too weak.
761 | Blastoise | Modest | Shell Bell | Hydro Cannon | Ice Beam | Hyper Beam | Focus Blast | HP/SpA
awesome mon. not many mons take hydro cannon well, even fewer take a torrented one without getting kinda sour about it.
358 | Blaziken | Adamant | Salac Berry | Blaze Kick | Reversal | Aerial Ace | Endure | Atk/Spe
good early mon, just shit on the world with blaze kick and hope it doesnt miss. dont endure ever vs bad ai.
494 | Blaziken | Timid | Brightpowder | Blast Burn | Focus Blast | SolarBeam | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
terrible lead, bit you can almost always guarantee it will kill one mon. good fallback mon during wave2, especially in the event that you run into set2 skarmory.
630 | Blaziken | Adamant | Passho Berry | Blaze Kick | Earthquake | Shadow Claw | Stone Edge | Atk/Spe
this guy's good. passho lets you beat random shit and for some reason whenever i use this mon is run into a tentacruel who isnt happy about how things turn out.
766 | Blaziken | Adamant | White Herb | Flare Blitz | Superpower | ThunderPunch | Night Slash | Atk/Spe
the thing about the factory is that pretty much anything with speed evs is 'fast' so this is a 'fast' mon with two of the best moves available. enjoy winning.
475 | Blissey | Modest | Chople Berry | Hyper Beam | Shadow Ball | Water Pulse | Sing | HP/SpA
every blissey is about the same. you auto-lose to physical moves (unstabbed eqs will kill you, seriously) but you cannot lose to a special mon. i sometimes like keeping a blissey on my team for thorton and, when the lady tells me hes opening with a special mon i switch into it for an easy 3-2 lead, and if thorton is leading physical i swap the blissey for something good. as for playing vs blissey, its never recommended to have an all-special team because you WILL lose to blissey eventually.
611 | Blissey | Calm | Chesto Berry | Toxic | Double Team | Softboiled | Counter | HP/SpD
the only thing youre countering is unstabbed aerial aces
747 | Blissey | Modest | Brightpowder | Flamethrower | Thunderbolt | Ice Beam | Calm Mind | HP/SpA
this thing can randomly kill your slow physical sweepers if it guesses right, which it usually seems to
883 | Blissey | Calm | Leftovers | Dream Eater | Sing | Softboiled | Counter | HP/SpD
one time i used this thing and lost cause it was my last mon and i got leech seeded
371 | Breloom | Impish | Focus Sash | Seed Bomb | Sky Uppercut | Rock Slide | Counter | Atk/Def
slow counterer, kinda bad, etc. sash is best used here to guarantee an ohko on a faster mon. not terrible though since it has good stabs and resists eq.
507 | Breloom | Brave | Big Root | Drain Punch | Giga Drain | Synthesis | Leech Seed | Atk/SpA
dumb idea, but the team support leech seed offers is unparalleled
643 | Breloom | Adamant | Toxic Orb | DynamicPunch | ThunderPunch | Stone Edge | Facade | Atk/Def
the gimmick only works half the time (effect spore + toxic orb, 'ok') and even when it does you're too frail to do anything with it. this thing can beat you sometimes with dynamicpunch though, so watch out.
779 | Breloom | Adamant | Shell Bell | Focus Punch | Seed Bomb | Giga Impact | Spore | Atk/Def
you have spore. this pretty much automatically beats anything slower than it, and anything faster than it that can't 1-shot it. a terrifying mon.
431 | Bronzong | Impish | King's Rock | Extrasensory | Iron Head | Rock Slide | Trick Room | Def/SpD
trick room is never worth using early in your streak. this thing does nothing. playing vs it sucks cause you have to guess on heatproof vs levitate
567 | Bronzong | Calm | Lum Berry | Dream Eater | Hypnosis | Signal Beam | Trick Room | Def/SpD
703 | Bronzong | Modest | Leftovers | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Charge Beam | Signal Beam | HP/SpA
leftovers turn excrement into gold. this thing can easily score a couple kills. rock on, you charge beaming bastard.
839 | Bronzong | Adamant | Quick Claw | Zen Headbutt | Iron Head | Earthquake | Explosion | HP/Atk
it is worth noting that quick claw explosion always works when you want it to. one of the few things in the factory that seems stacked in your favour.
352 | Charizard | Modest | Petaya Berry | Flamethrower | Air Slash | SmokeScreen | Scary Face | SpA/Spe
this thing is incredible. if you get petaya off you win, even if you dont you can still kill a ton of shit with flamethrower, especially scary mons like set1 hippowdon who has ended some of my streaks far too early.
488 | Charizard | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | SolarBeam | Will-O-Wisp | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
one of the better sunnybeamers, if only because willowisp is as rare as it is wonderful
624 | Charizard | Adamant | Scope Lens | Flare Blitz | Earthquake | Crunch | Dragon Claw | Atk/Spe
not the worst mon, but flare blitz just doesnt hit hard enough even with adamant
760 | Charizard | Timid | Brightpowder | Blast Burn | Air Slash | Focus Blast | AncientPower | SpA/Spe
a top tier lead for sure. you can usually kill their lead before they kill you, blast burn will then almost always kill their second mon. its basically explosion only you get to scout the set of their third mon too!
429 | Claydol | Brave | Kasib Berry | Earthquake | Zen Headbutt | Grass Knot | Trick Room | Def/SpD
i remember one time i used earthquake with this thing and it did 20% to tauros and i actually turned my game off
565 | Claydol | Modest | Rindo Berry | Earth Power | AncientPower | Signal Beam | Shadow Ball | Def/SpA
earth power is under-represented as a move. not a bad guy, cool typing.
701 | Claydol | Modest | Wise Glasses | Earth Power | Psychic | Charge Beam | Ice Beam | SpA/SpD
just a better version of set2
837 | Claydol | Adamant | Lax Incense | Earthquake | Zen Headbutt | Rock Slide | Explosion | Atk/SpD
lax incense? explosion? oh ho ho ho
409 | Cradily | Impish | Razor Claw | AncientPower | Energy Ball | Confuse Ray | Sandstorm | HP/Def/SpD
razor claw? thanks guys
545 | Cradily | Impish | Leftovers | Toxic | Stockpile | Double Team | Ingrain | HP/Def/SpD
really good mon to have in reserve during wave 2 in case things get messy. enjoy struggle wars vs poison and steel mons though.
681 | Cradily | Calm | Big Root | Giga Drain | Sludge Bomb | Recover | Ingrain | HP/Def/SpD
doesnt die but doesnt really do anything either. wish it had leech seed
817 | Cradily | Calm | Leftovers | Stone Edge | Seed Bomb | Earthquake | Mirror Coat | HP/Def/SpD
this guy is pretty good cause he can survive anything and mirror coat it. better than a sash-reflector since he will usually take less than 50% from a hit and ko back with mirror coat, meaning he isnt dead weight afterwards.
907 | Cresselia | Bold | Heat Rock | Psychic | SolarBeam | Moonlight | Sunny Day | Def/SpD
can beat almost anything that doesnt set up one on one. scary mon to face if your team cant deal.
921 | Cresselia | Bold | Lum Berry | Psychic | Toxic | Double Team | Moonlight | HP/Def/SpD
would be almost unbeatable if moonlight had more pp. still a great mon to bring in when you can start double teaming
935 | Cresselia | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Energy Ball | Charge Beam | HP/SpA
never actually used this but it seems a lot like that bronzong, only worse due to no lefties
949 | Cresselia | Modest | Leftovers | Psychic | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Moonlight | HP/Def/SpD
this thing is awesome, who cares if you cant even 3hko anything, you have lefties and moonlight
467 | Crobat | Jolly | Payapa Berry | Cross Poison | Aerial Ace | Roost | Hypnosis | Atk/Spe
bad early game cause it doesnt kill things fast enough, kind of stressful to play vs since fast hypnosis can be bullshit
603 | Crobat | Hardy | Razor Fang | Air Slash | Zen Headbutt | Bite | Twister | Atk/Spe
legend of twisterbat
739 | Crobat | Modest | King's Rock | Air Slash | Sludge Bomb | Heat Wave | Dark Pulse | SpA/Spe
good coverage until you realize it does way less than most mons do with stab neutral hits. watch out for those air slash flinches though
875 | Crobat | Adamant | Razor Claw | Cross Poison | Brave Bird | X-Scissor | Zen Headbutt | Atk/Spe
adamant turns this set from ho-hum to huzzah. brave bird gets shit done.
379 | Dewgong | Careful | Razor Fang | Waterfall | Avalanche | Headbutt | Fake Out | Atk/SpD
interesting to play against since its fakeout vs your resisting mon is probably the weakest unmodified hit you'll ever take
515 | Dewgong | Calm | Wacan Berry | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Encore | Disable | SpA/SpD
one of two mons with encore, which is sadly wasted by its superfluity in wave 2 which is when you'll probably get it. if you can get it later on, id recommend it if you have a stat upper to use alongside it.
651 | Dewgong | Calm | Salac Berry | Sheer Cold | Horn Drill | Rest | Sleep Talk | HP/Def/SpD
awful to play against, give it a spin if you want to be a shithead
787 | Dewgong | Calm | Chesto Berry | Surf | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Rest | SpA/SpD
good stabs, bad stats. there is almost always better.
427 | Donphan | Impish | Razor Claw | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Poison Jab | Sandstorm | Atk/Def
every donphan is good. every donphan earthquakes with a lot of attack. this one is impish so it doesnt hit very hard with anything else, but its still a good choice early game.
563 | Donphan | Adamant | White Herb | Earthquake | Superpower | Gunk Shot | Counter | Atk/Def
earthquake until your finger hurts. counter is never worth it early game for obvious reasons, but ive had success with this thing later on too.
699 | Donphan | Brave | Lax Incense | Earthquake | Gyro Ball | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Atk/Def
its rare that gyro ball will do more than earthquake, but that lax incense, oh man
835 | Donphan | Adamant | Quick Claw | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Seed Bomb | Fissure | Atk/Def
have you ever lost to quick claw fissure? it's like being tied down and watching your dad get beat up
481 | Dragonite | Adamant | Lum Berry | Dragon Claw | Aerial Ace | Thunder Wave | Dragon Dance | Atk/SpD
dont be fooled by how clinquant a dragon dancing dragonite looks, this is not a good pokemon. takes too many dances to outspeed anything which just makes early waves drag on (no pun intended).
617 | Dragonite | Adamant | Razor Claw | Dragon Rush | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Def
one of the better set2 punchmasters if only because you outspeed more than you would expect and dragon rush can really flinch some shit
753 | Dragonite | Modest | Expert Belt | Draco Meteor | Flamethrower | Thunderbolt | Surf | Def/SpA
im on the fence about this mon. herbless draco meteor is sketchy but expert belt with coverage is so good.
889 | Dragonite | Adamant | Choice Band | Outrage | Giga Impact | Earthquake | Superpower | Atk/SpD
nothing that isn't steel will survive this thing's outrage. this as a lead is your ticket to a quick and easy 7 rounds. most of said rounds will take 3 turns.
432 | Drapion | Adamant | Lum Berry | Poison Jab | Crunch | Aqua Tail | Acupressure | Atk/Def
this mon always reminds me how hard neutral poison jab can hit and i'm always surprised
568 | Drapion | Adamant | Iron Ball | Payback | Poison Jab | Fling | Knock Off | Atk/Def
set2 mons have this flinging obession but i guess on this guy its stabbed so its not as bad, but then again i have payback so why do i need it
704 | Drapion | Jolly | Scope Lens | Cross Poison | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | Atk/Spe
not a good mon. bad stab, bad atk, fangs suck.
840 | Drapion | Adamant | Razor Claw | Cross Poison | Night Slash | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
never actually used this guy but he seems like too little too late. at this point you can get much better mons pretty reliably so why bother
414 | Drifblim | Modest | Salac Berry | Ominous Wind | Air Cutter | Baton Pass | Endure | HP/SpA
drifblim is terrible, you need to watch out for aftermath though
550 | Drifblim | Adamant | Black Sludge | Payback | Facade | Will-O-Wisp | Trick | HP/Atk
what are they trying to do here?
686 | Drifblim | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Icy Wind | Destiny Bond | HP/SpA
thanks for the slowest destiny bond in the world and no stab
822 | Drifblim | Docile | Lax Incense | Shadow Ball | Air Cutter | Silver Wind | Explosion | HP/Atk
never used it but lax incense explosion is mighty tasty
363 | Dugtrio | Jolly | Grip Claw | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Astonish | Sand Tomb | Atk/Spe
the worst. eq hits for nothing. one time i got flinched by astonish 4 times in a row vs this thing though. but dont worry, i was at 80% after
499 | Dugtrio | Modest | Lax Incense | Earth Power | Sludge Bomb | Tri Attack | Sandstorm | SpA/Spe
635 | Dugtrio | Jolly | Razor Claw | Fissure | Giga Impact | Aerial Ace | Night Slash | Atk/Spe
fast fissure is scary, always be careful when you see dugtrio
771 | Dugtrio | Adamant | Muscle Band | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Slash | Shadow Claw | Atk/Spe
even with muscle band this thing's eq doesnt do enough to warrant using one of the frailest mons available
462 | Dusknoir | Brave | Iron Ball | Shadow Punch | Fling | Will-O-Wisp | Trick Room | Atk/Def
willowisp is good if you dont mind slowing down your first wave
598 | Dusknoir | Careful | Leftovers | Curse | Pain Split | Confuse Ray | Attract | Def/SpD
if this thing had willowisp itd be fantastic but it doesnt so fuck it
734 | Dusknoir | Adamant | Scope Lens | Shadow Punch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/SpD
soaks special hits like nothing youve seen, but doesnt do much back
870 | Dusknoir | Adamant | Muscle Band | Shadow Punch | Earthquake | Brick Break | Rock Slide | Def/SpD
oh look, it thinks it can sweep
477 | Electivire | Jolly | Scope Lens | ThunderPunch | Cross Chop | Thunder Wave | Screech | Atk/Spe
decent early game mon until you realize that stuff that resists thunderpunch isnt taking much from cross chop either
613 | Electivire | Quirky | Wide Lens | Thunder | DynamicPunch | Rock Slide | Iron Tail | Atk/SpA
749 | Electivire | Modest | Wise Glasses | Thunderbolt | Psychic | Focus Blast | Signal Beam | SpA/Spe
not a bad set. modest with the glasses lets tbolt hit decently hard. ive used this thing and not felt bad about it
885 | Electivire | Adamant | Shuca Berry | ThunderPunch | Fire Punch | Ice Punch | Earthquake | Atk/Spe
shucavire. ive lost to this thing a few times but never used it successfully. probably just bad luck though, as its pretty swanky.
386 | Electrode | Modest | Chesto Berry | Thunderbolt | Swift | Thunder Wave | Light Screen | SpA/Spe
the worst. one of the many electrics that cannot beat any ground mon
522 | Electrode | Timid | Brightpowder | Charge Beam | Thunder Wave | Flash | Swagger | SpA/Spe
658 | Electrode | Timid | Damp Rock | Thunder | Hyper Beam | Magnet Rise | Rain Dance | SpA/Spe
794 | Electrode | Quirky | Focus Sash | Thunderbolt | Signal Beam | Explosion | Mirror Coat | SpA/Spe
ive used this a couple times and it was actually decent. explosion will not kill very many pokemon but this thing can consistently deal with one and one half of a pokemon, which goes a long way, especially if you have another fast mon to clean up after trode splodes
362 | Empoleon | Adamant | Razor Claw | Waterfall | Metal Claw | Brick Break | Knock Off | Atk/SpD
not a good choice for the time youll usually get him
498 | Empoleon | Adamant | Razor Claw | Drill Peck | Aqua Jet | Shadow Claw | Rock Slide | Atk/SpD
drill peck is cool, aqua jet as your only stab is not
634 | Empoleon | Brave | Quick Claw | Surf | Earthquake | Blizzard | Signal Beam | Atk/SpA
now we're talkin. i never thought those evs would amount to anything but this guy is still bulky enough to take some serious shit, and quick claw + hitting decently from both ends of the spectrum make this mon a keeper
770 | Empoleon | Brave | Quick Claw | Hydro Cannon | Flash Cannon | Drill Peck | Earthquake | Atk/SpA
basically a better version of set3. hydro cannon forever. blizzard is really good though...
899 | Entei | Jolly | Shuca Berry | Fire Fang | Return | Roar | Reflect | Atk/Spe
return hits harder than fire fang does. that's embarrassing. a fast reflect is good team support though, so this can be useful
913 | Entei | Jolly | King's Rock | Fire Fang | Bite | Iron Head | Stone Edge | Atk/Spe
i dont see why this would be good ever
927 | Entei | Modest | Shuca Berry | Fire Blast | SolarBeam | Hyper Beam | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
a fast and fairly bulky sunnybeamer, i used this once when my team was sunny day-friendly and he helped quite a bit
941 | Entei | Modest | Shuca Berry | Overheat | Extrasensory | Shadow Ball | Calm Mind | SpA/Spe
doesnt work. needs too many calm minds to do anything, cant overheat without being forced to switch after, etc
455 | Espeon | Timid | Lum Berry | Psychic | Reflect | Calm Mind | Baton Pass | SpA/Spe
youll never baton pass with this thing but cm psychic can do a lot of shit if they dont have a steel or a dark (and since its probably wave 1, youll know when to use this little guy)
591 | Espeon | Timid | Brightpowder | Psychic | Swift | Charm | Attract | SpA/Spe
fast charm helps in tandem with stuff like set2 gyara, very niche though
727 | Espeon | Modest | Lum Berry | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Hyper Beam | Grass Knot | SpA/Spe
modest psychic is powerful. hooray for grass knot, rhyperior never expects it
863 | Espeon | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | Morning Sun | SpA/Spe
set 3 is better, youre too frail for morning sun
449 | Exeggutor | Modest | Brightpowder | SolarBeam | Psychic | Synthesis | Sunny Day | HP/SpA
this is annoying to play vs sometimes, synthesis heals for a lot in sun and it just slows your shit down.
585 | Exeggutor | Modest | Lum Berry | Dream Eater | Hypnosis | Leech Seed | Ingrain | HP/SpA
leech seed means this is a keeper
721 | Exeggutor | Brave | Focus Sash | Wood Hammer | Zen Headbutt | Trick Room | Explosion | HP/Atk
this is one of my favourite mons. if your team likes trick room, this thing will change your life. you can almost guarantee turn 3 will involve a 2-2 score and trick room being active. not many mons can boast such advantages.
857 | Exeggutor | Modest | Expert Belt | Leaf Storm | Psychic | Sludge Bomb | AncientPower | HP/SpA
too slow, needs white herb. not a good leaf stormer. id honestly take meganium over this, and meganium is a pussy.
389 | Exploud | Modest | Chople Berry | Hyper Voice | Extrasensory | Water Pulse | Torment | HP/SpA
525 | Exploud | Adamant | Life Orb | Facade | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
one of the only set2 mons with life orb, this is one of the better punchmasters if only because of the force behind them. plus when you use facade its basically like youre using return without life orb, which is, uh, good, i guess.
661 | Exploud | Adamant | Life Orb | Facade | Earthquake | Avalanche | Crunch | HP/Atk
this guy isnt very good but he can do annoying shit like beat good dragons one on one (set2 can as well). the number of times ive had this thing avalanche my garchomp is much higher than id like to admit.
797 | Exploud | Modest | White Herb | Hyper Voice | Overheat | Surf | Ice Beam | HP/SpA
i think ive only seen this once ever, i dont see how itd be useful though
356 | Feraligatr | Adamant | King's Rock | Waterfall | Ice Fang | Rock Slide | Scary Face | Atk/Def
waterfull over aqua tail is definitely welcome, a nice bulky guy who can dish some out.
492 | Feraligatr | Adamant | White Herb | Aqua Tail | Superpower | Dragon Claw | Shadow Claw | Atk/Def
objectively worse than set1
628 | Feraligatr | Modest | Wise Glasses | Hydro Cannon | Ice Beam | Focus Blast | AncientPower | Def/SpA
wise glasses hydro cannon is not something i'm opposed to. ice beam is the icing on the cake.
764 | Feraligatr | Adamant | Lum Berry | Waterfall | Earthquake | Ice Fang | Dragon Dance | Atk/Def
for the longest time i thought this guy was awesome. bulky enough to dance a bit, good coverage. i've since learned dragon dancing doesn't work unless you're gyarados, salamence, or very rarely that kingdra.
454 | Flareon | Adamant | Quick Claw | Fire Fang | Superpower | Curse | Baton Pass | Atk/SpD
cursepassing, while terrible during wave1, could be really cool later on but sadly ive never had it as an option
590 | Flareon | Jolly | Salac Berry | Fire Fang | Flail | Endure | Sand-Attack | Atk/Spe
sand attack? what is this, brock's gym?
726 | Flareon | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | Shadow Ball | Mud-Slap | Will-O-Wisp | SpA/SpD
willowisp makes this set not unbearably bad, but it's still really really bad. dont use flareon guys, i know hes cute but be mature.
862 | Flareon | Adamant | White Herb | Fire Fang | Giga Impact | Superpower | Bite | Atk/SpD
STILL SUCKS, SORRY
412 | Floatzel | Jolly | Sitrus Berry | Waterfall | Ice Punch | Quick Attack | Rain Dance | Atk/Spe
one time i waterfalled vs set1 steelix and i think it did less than 20%. floatzel.....................
548 | Floatzel | Jolly | Chesto Berry | Waterfall | Focus Punch | Double Team | Attract | Atk/Spe
garbage mon that you will lose to if you are unlucky
684 | Floatzel | Modest | Wave Incense | Surf | Ice Beam | Focus Blast | Rain Dance | SpA/Spe
now this is a good mon. there aren't many fast surfers with ice beam. can't really take a hit but can ohko a surprising amount of stuff.
820 | Floatzel | Adamant | Razor Fang | Aqua Tail | Ice Fang | Crunch | Brick Break | Atk/Spe
i don't see why you'd want this over set3
451 | Flygon | Adamant | Yache Berry | Earthquake | Dragon Claw | Roost | Sandstorm | Atk/Spe
amazing mon early game. fast earthquakes make things go by quickly.
587 | Flygon | Jolly | Razor Fang | Fissure | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
this is my least favourite set in the factory. why is it here? who would orchestrate such an awful thing? this set is god's punishment for an evil world.
723 | Flygon | Timid | White Herb | Draco Meteor | Earth Power | Flamethrower | Giga Drain | SpA/Spe
i love herb meteor but i don't like giga drains that do <50% to gastrodon. you will not be killing anything with this.
859 | Flygon | Adamant | Lum Berry | Earthquake | Outrage | Crunch | Stone Edge | Atk/Spe
fantastic mon. wishes it was garchomp, but still gets shit done. the lum is incredible. set4 dragons make your life a lot easier.
372 | Forretress | Brave | Occa Berry | Gyro Ball | Bug Bite | Revenge | Counter | Atk/Def
gyro ball will surprise you. not a very good mon, but you can do worse during wave 1.
508 | Forretress | Brave | Sitrus Berry | Payback | Stealth Rock | Toxic Spikes | Spikes | Atk/Def
ok so i know this looks terrible, and it probably is. spiking just doesnt work in 3v3. however, later on in your streak with a rester or something supporting it, toxic spikes could let you outstall most stuff that isnt immune. sadly such quixotry has no place in the high stakes world of the battle factory.
644 | Forretress | Adamant | Leftovers | Dig | Swagger | Toxic | Double Team | Atk/Def
this thing is a fink. unprepared physical-heavy teams will have a lot of trouble with it. were it not so stupidly natured/ev'd it would be one of the overall best mons in the factory.
780 | Forretress | Adamant | Lax Incense | Explosion | Double-Edge | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Atk/Def
i don't understand why this has double edge. still though, an exploder with lax incense who can actually knock some fuckers out? sign me up.
392 | Froslass | Timid | Cheri Berry | Ice Beam | Ominous Wind | Confuse Ray | Attract | SpA/Spe
stab ice beam is great, but not when it does less than most unstabbed ice beams. sadly, ive lost round one to this thing and a bad string of coin flips.
528 | Froslass | Adamant | Focus Band | Ice Punch | Sucker Punch | Swagger | Psych Up | Atk/Spe
garbage ersatz swords dance on a mon you'd never want to swords dance with anyways. you will be amazed at how little damage ice punch does.
664 | Froslass | Modest | Expert Belt | Ice Beam | Thunderbolt | Signal Beam | Destiny Bond | SpA/Spe
not bad. it needs a good type matchup to take down a mon before being forced to destiny bond, so i dont like it as a lead, but it's a fantastic second mon. you bring it in against something that will die to ice beam and then get a second kill with destiny bond. works surprisingly well.
800 | Froslass | Modest | Lax Incense | Blizzard | Shadow Ball | Psychic | Hail | SpA/Spe
set3 is way better, even modest blizzard wont be doing much
448 | Gallade | Careful | Kasib Berry | Zen Headbutt | Brick Break | Thunder Wave | Confuse Ray | Atk/SpD
ah, gallade. the mon i want to like. twave is good, so is double stab. not a bad wave 1 mon by any stretch.
584 | Gallade | Jolly | Brightpowder | Drain Punch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
why the fuck is the only gallade with speed also the one with the worst set? i'm kinda mad. as i've said before, anything with speed evs outspeeds most of the factory so this one is ok but he cant really ohko much and dies to everything. good as a second mon to clean up messes i guess.
720 | Gallade | Adamant | Scope Lens | Psycho Cut | Stone Edge | Aerial Ace | X-Scissor | Atk/SpD
better than set 2, but still very lacking. you can almost always do better.
856 | Gallade | Adamant | Scope Lens | Psycho Cut | Close Combat | Leaf Blade | Night Slash | Atk/SpD
i avoided this one for a long time expecting it to be almost as bad as set 3, but one time i used it as a lead and i swear it took down like 17/21 mons. it somehow still outspeeds a fair chunk of the factory even with no speed evs and it ohkos almost everything. this is glorious.
485 | Garchomp | Jolly | Brightpowder | Dragon Claw | Earthquake | Double Team | Sandstorm | Atk/Spe
brightpowder will trigger constantly when you dont need it to, eliciting a tiny smirk from your crooked maw as you earthquake the interloper into submission. it is not your fault. this is the warped man garchomp turns you into.
621 | Garchomp | Modest | White Herb | Draco Meteor | Earth Power | Flamethrower | Surf | SpA/Spe
didnt work with flygon, not gonna work here. this set really reminds you how bulky garchomp is though, holy moly
757 | Garchomp | Adamant | Focus Sash | Dragon Rush | Stone Edge | Aqua Tail | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
such a troll set. looks awful but performs very well. on a speedy mon, focus sash is probably the best item in the factory. it confirms a second hit. there are not very many mons in the factory that can survive 2 hits from this thing, meaning as long as dragon rush wants you to you're taking out at least one mon. risky, but very effective. i normally stay away from low accuracy shit but since focus sash lets you try again for free, i'm all over this guy.
893 | Garchomp | Adamant | Persim Berry | Outrage | Earthquake | Crunch | Fire Fang | Atk/Spe
there is a god, and it's you
447 | Gardevoir | Calm | Lum Berry | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Thunder Wave | Confuse Ray | SpA/SpD
twave is cool, and you can dick people around with synchronize + lum. a good set 1 mon, probably safer than zam even.
583 | Gardevoir | Modest | Chesto Berry | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Calm Mind | Rest | SpA/SpD
im partial to this because i used it when i won my coloured symbol. with the right support it's fantastic, and even by itself it can beat almost any special mon/double teaming toxic user one on one, and believe me, in wave 2 the latter can be devastating.
719 | Gardevoir | Modest | Brightpowder | Psychic | Charge Beam | Energy Ball | Focus Blast | SpA/SpD
don't bother. too slow, too frail.
855 | Gardevoir | Timid | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Shadow Ball | Destiny Bond | SpA/Spe
timid with speed evs makes you faster than almost everything for some reason, this is basically a better froslass
382 | Gastrodon | Careful | Focus Sash | Waterfall | Earthquake | Recover | Mirror Coat | HP/SpD
this thing's potential is wasted in wave 1, but you can do wonders with it if you get it late game. it takes paltry damage from anything special and mirror coats back for more. it's a war off attrition you always win.
518 | Gastrodon | Sassy | Zoom Lens | Muddy Water | Mud Bomb | Recover | Yawn | SpA/SpD
one of the few mons with yawn, as team support this thing is incredible and even by its lonesome it can beat almost anything special one on one and finish with full health afterwards. as long as they cant 2-shot you, you can just loop yawns and recovers until you win.
654 | Gastrodon | Adamant | Shell Bell | Waterfall | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Fissure | HP/Atk
why do you get stone edge while swampert doesn't? he deserves it more
790 | Gastrodon | Modest | Wise Glasses | Surf | Earth Power | Ice Beam | Sludge Bomb | HP/SpA
good coverage, good damage. beats a lot of stuff one on one, but can almost never get a second kill. safe mon to leave for a 1v1 stand, you can feel good even going blind into their last mon with this guy at full health. it's weird how 3/4 gastrodon sets are genuinely amazing.
419 | Gengar | Timid | Payapa Berry | Shadow Ball | Sludge Bomb | Spite | Confuse Ray | SpA/Spe
wish he was modest, but this guy simplifies wave 1. use him well.
555 | Gengar | Modest | Life Orb | Shadow Ball | Dream Eater | Hypnosis | Substitute | SpA/Spe
whenever im against a gengar i worry that it's this one. you have a 40% chance of losing to this pokemon. it doesnt matter what your team is, you probably cant outspeed it and you sure as fuck cant beat it once it sleeps you. just hope for the best. on the flip side, when you beat it and choose to use it (and you will choose to use it) the sleep gimmick is pretty much gratuitous since modest life orb shadow ball will ohko most things. sub is a lot of fun though.
691 | Gengar | Modest | Scope Lens | Psychic | Energy Ball | Focus Blast | Confuse Ray | SpA/Spe
this just awful. never pick this unless you want to 50/50 everything with confuse ray bullshit
827 | Gengar | Modest | Lum Berry | Shadow Ball | Sludge Bomb | Thunderbolt | Destiny Bond | SpA/Spe
not as good as set 2 but still ok. lum helps a lot with getting dbond off, and you can usually kill a mon beforehand. redolent of gardevoir, maybe even a bit better, i havent tested with this thing enough.
458 | Glaceon | Calm | Lax Incense | Ice Beam | Water Pulse | Double Team | Baton Pass | SpA/SpD
notable for being one of the only set1 stab ice beam users, and also for having sick-nasty special attack while doing so. you will tear any team that doesnt resist ice beam apart.
594 | Glaceon | Calm | Leftovers | Ice Beam | Double Team | Yawn | Hail | SpA/SpD
powerful ice beam, lefties, and yawn combine to make this one too cute to pass up
730 | Glaceon | Modest | Focus Sash | Blizzard | Hyper Beam | Hail | Mirror Coat | Def/SpA
gimmicky but bearable in wave3 if only for those terrifying blizzards. can get a kill with mirror coat and then ohko a slow guy with low sp def afterwards sometimes.
866 | Glaceon | Modest | Wise Glasses | Ice Beam | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | Water Pulse | Def/SpA
by the time you'll get this, you'll have much better
390 | Glalie | Brave | Iron Ball | Avalanche | Payback | Gyro Ball | Ice Shard | HP/Def/SpD
glalie is one of the worst pokemon. this thing is terrible. ice shard doesn't even come close to ohkoing garchomp.
526 | Glalie | Adamant | Lum Berry | Ice Fang | Crunch | Earthquake | Explosion | HP/Atk
the only set2 mon with explosion i think, so it's not the worst choice if you want to expedite wave 2
662 | Glalie | Modest | Scope Lens | Ice Beam | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | Water Pulse | HP/SpA
798 | Glalie | Modest | Lax Incense | Blizzard | Dark Pulse | Sheer Cold | Hail | HP/SpA
terrible. beware its lax incense/sheer cold. it will make you forget your loved ones.
441 | Gliscor | Adamant | Yache Berry | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | Swords Dance | Baton Pass | Atk/Def
one of my favourite mons for wave 1. with bad ai you can almost always confirm a swords dance and then start quaking everything in sight. if you get him later on the baton pass can make for some interesting setups. i don't think i've ever not taken him when he was available.
577 | Gliscor | Jolly | Razor Fang | Earthquake | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | Atk/Spe
one of the better punch/fang users in wave2 if only because you won't usually use any of them, you'll just be quaking all the time.
713 | Gliscor | Jolly | Focus Sash | Guillotine | Earthquake | U-turn | Counter | HP/Spe
i used to hate this thing due to its retarded ev spread. i recently learned that it's not the worst sash reflector in the world since quake can usually do 50% to something so itll handle a mon and a half in most circumstances. you can also troll with guillotine if you really want to.
849 | Gliscor | Adamant | Expert Belt | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | X-Scissor | Stone Edge | Atk/Def
this guy is a goodie. a semi-dangerous pick since there are a lot of ice/water mons in the factory, but expert belt stone edge usually handles the ice ones. he loses to a lot but he can always take out at least 1 mon if you bring him out at the right time.
415 | Golduck | Modest | Rindo Berry | Surf | Psychic | Confuse Ray | Calm Mind | HP/SpA
surprisingly decent early game, set1 mons with surf are kind of rare. steelix/rhydon/rhyperior/golem/aggron and friends really dont like stuff like this.
551 | Golduck | Adamant | Shell Bell | Waterfall | Mud Bomb | Shadow Claw | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
687 | Golduck | Adamant | Scope Lens | Aqua Tail | Cross Chop | Ice Punch | Zen Headbutt | HP/Atk
even super effect cross chop hits for nothing, this mon is the stuff of remorse.
823 | Golduck | Modest | Wacan Berry | Hydro Pump | Psychic | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | HP/SpA
pretty solid, hydro pump is potent. not the best choice, but you can do worse, especially if you get him wave3.
395 | Golem | Impish | Focus Band | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Sucker Punch | Sandstorm | Atk/Def
sucker punch has no use early game and this guy just doesnt hit hard enough
531 | Golem | Adamant | White Herb | Earthquake | Superpower | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Atk/Def
adamant makes quake hit harder but golem is just too vulnerable
667 | Golem | Brave | Iron Ball | Gyro Ball | Earthquake | Hammer Arm | Fling | Atk/Def
same problems as golem2
803 | Golem | Brave | Quick Claw | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Gyro Ball | Explosion | Atk/Def
oh man, qc explosion with some awesome stab to back it up? if you have a mon to soak all the water and ice shit thats gonna be thrown at this guy (even then though, watch out for roserade leaf storms), you'll find he can take down 2 mons very consistently. i love you golem.
367 | Granbull | Adamant | Razor Claw | Return | Rock Slide | Crunch | Thunder Wave | HP/Atk
powerful return, good choice wave 1.
503 | Granbull | Adamant | Quick Claw | Facade | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | HP/Atk
the worst. id use this if it had return.
639 | Granbull | Adamant | Muscle Band | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Payback | HP/Atk
muscle band lets this thing dish out surprising damage but where the fuck is my return
775 | Granbull | Adamant | Life Orb | Giga Impact | Close Combat | Earthquake | Stone Edge | HP/Atk
this thing is a menace if it has intimidate. too sluggish to do that much but you can always kill a physical mon with it and sometimes do a bit to their second mon as well. you can do much worse.
472 | Gyarados | Careful | Razor Fang | Aqua Tail | Ice Fang | Bite | Rain Dance | Atk/SpD
this gyarados sucks. it beats most special stuff one on one but doesn't do enough damage, and wave 1 is all about powering through shit as fast as possible. aqua tail doesnt help.
608 | Gyarados | Jolly | Lum Berry | Waterfall | Ice Fang | Iron Head | Dragon Dance | Atk/Spe
this guy is good. sucks that all 3 of your attacking moves lose to waters, but in wave 2 this guy's bulk will usually let you get 4 or 5 dances off, letting you destroy waters anyways. a top mon for wave 2, even useful in later waves if only for the boon that is intimidate.
744 | Gyarados | Adamant | Persim Berry | Outrage | Waterfall | Stone Edge | Giga Impact | Atk/SpD
better than it looks. i like this mon for round 21 a lot, as the moveset handles a lot of potential legendaries without losing to very many of them. not a good lead by any stretch but he's a very safe mon to have in your roster for wave 3.
880 | Gyarados | Adamant | Chesto Berry | Waterfall | Earthquake | Rest | Dragon Dance | Atk/Spe
oh baby. this is a monster. if your life is so rife with serendipity that you find yourself with this and a pokemon with leech seed, you will win that wave guaranteed. even without it, intimidate lets this thing dance up under most circumstances. dont ruin a good thing by making this your lead, you might as well be texting 'hello????' to a girl when she's taking a while to respond. just relax man.
376 | Hariyama | Adamant | Persim Berry | Arm Thrust | Earthquake | Facade | Fake Out | HP/Atk
arm thrust? fuck that shit
512 | Hariyama | Adamant | Iron Ball | Revenge | Payback | Fling | Fake Out | HP/Atk
a good wave 2 mon. fake out is loads of fun, revenge is basically close combat and fling/payback lets you take out those pesky psychic mons who only have a 1/4 shot of using psychic against you anyway. thick fat is also great if you get it.
648 | Hariyama | Adamant | Life Orb | DynamicPunch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
50/50 dynamicpunch bullshit. skip it.
784 | Hariyama | Adamant | Scope Lens | Cross Chop | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Poison Jab | HP/Atk
too slow, and you get it too late.
906 | Heatran | Modest | Shuca Berry | Heat Wave | Flash Cannon | AncientPower | Scary Face | SpA/SpD
damn you are good. make sure you have a team that can handle the myriad water mons in the factory, as those are the only things that will stop you. most quakers with stab are slow and get ko'd by flash cannon, and this thing takes unstabbed quakes and can almost always ohko back. use ancientpower as a finisher where permitting for a 10% chance of hilarious results!
920 | Heatran | Adamant | Quick Claw | Iron Head | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Crunch | HP/Atk
ugh. whenever i see heatran in my opening roster i get soooo excited and then it's usually this one. this is just stupid. his bountiful resistances are meaningless in the factory, there are just too many waters. skip it and dont look back.
934 | Heatran | Modest | Brightpowder | Flamethrower | Earth Power | Dragon Pulse | Dark Pulse | HP/SpA
slightly better than set1. that brightpowder can put in work and allow you to win some games that you really shouldn't be winning. earth power is pretty fantastic too. the spread lets you take physical hits a bit better too which is always welcome.
948 | Heatran | Quiet | Focus Sash | Magma Storm | Flash Cannon | Earth Power | Explosion | Atk/SpA
i love this guy. he's kind of weird and requires a proper team so you don't burn your sash on stupid shit, but he can usually take 2 mons. still surprisingly fast even with quiet, just be careful of magma storm's accuracy.
424 | Heracross | Jolly | Focus Band | Megahorn | Focus Punch | Swagger | Attract | Atk/Spe
decent wave 1 sicne megahorn is, you know, amazing, but 85 accuracy can get a bit frustrating
560 | Heracross | Adamant | Scope Lens | Close Combat | Aerial Ace | Night Slash | Bulk Up | Atk/SpD
one of the best mons in wave 2. bulk up once when applicable and start close combatting anyone stupid enough to get in your way.
696 | Heracross | Adamant | Coba Berry | Megahorn | Stone Edge | Facade | Shadow Claw | Atk/Spe
viable for wave 3, this can take out some key pokemon. not a good choice for thorton though since any legendaries you want to megahorn will psychic you to death first, the exception being cresselia.
832 | Heracross | Jolly | Salac Berry | Megahorn | Earthquake | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe
astonishing pokemon, especially with swarm. endrevving is an incredible tactic once the AI starts to do the right shit (sometimes they start at wave 4, sometimes not til wave 5 or even 6 so be careful). also a really good choice for thorton if you're lucky enough to get it in your opening 6 wave 3, you can reliably 3-0 him with this thing.
460 | Hippowdon | Impish | Persim Berry | Earthquake | Crunch | Slack Off | Curse | Atk/Def
if your team is all physical you will have a very, very hard time beating this. it's not as good when you use it since it makes battles take longer than they should, but youve still got that mighty eq even without setup, so its not that bad a choice.
596 | Hippowdon | Impish | Sitrus Berry | Earthquake | Swagger | Sand Tomb | Yawn | Atk/Def
ok cause of yawn, the fact that you cant hit fliers at all makes this way too risky though
732 | Hippowdon | Adamant | White Herb | Superpower | Fire Fang | Ice Fang | Fissure | HP/Atk
no eq/no ty
868 | Hippowdon | Adamant | Quick Claw | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Crunch | Thunder Fang | HP/Atk
quick claw earthquake is something to watch out for, but not nearly as good if youre using it. good if your team likes sandstorm though (but such a team is usually risky)
438 | Honchkrow | Adamant | Wacan Berry | Night Slash | Aerial Ace | Torment | Taunt | HP/Atk
ive learned to like this guy during wave 1, night slash punishes posers.
574 | Honchkrow | Adamant | White Herb | Superpower | Pluck | Confuse Ray | Thunder Wave | HP/Atk
kind of stupid, use this if you're desperate for twave
710 | Honchkrow | Modest | Life Orb | Dark Pulse | Air Cutter | Psychic | Shadow Ball | HP/SpA
too risky to use, beware this thing if your team is slow though, flinch dark pulses can ruin your shit
846 | Honchkrow | Adamant | Scope Lens | Night Slash | Drill Peck | Sucker Punch | Steel Wing | HP/Atk
this guy is fantastic. sucker punch is so incredible later in the game. there is a lot that this can beat one on one, and it can get a sucker punch off on their second mon as well.
426 | Houndoom | Jolly | Focus Sash | Fire Fang | Crunch | Roar | Counter | Atk/Spe
a bother to play vs cause sash just slows things down, terrible in wave 1, terrible in general
562 | Houndoom | Jolly | Focus Sash | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe
even worse than set1. sash reversal? really?
698 | Houndoom | Modest | Passho Berry | Flamethrower | Shadow Ball | Sludge Bomb | Will-O-Wisp | SpA/Spe
i never really get a chance to use this guy but a fast willowisp is always welcome. why isn't shadow ball dark pulse ?_? considering how many things charizard's flamethrower ohkos, i could see this tearing through teams
834 | Houndoom | Timid | White Herb | Overheat | Dark Pulse | SolarBeam | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
interesting, but wave4 is not a good place for sunnybeaming.
394 | Hypno | Brave | Iron Ball | Psycho Cut | Fling | Hypnosis | Trick Room | Atk/SpD
oh my god this thing is terrible
530 | Hypno | Quirky | Persim Berry | Dream Eater | Nightmare | Drain Punch | Hypnosis | SpA/SpD
even worse than set1. drain punch will do 40 damage to most stuff unresisted, im serious
666 | Hypno | Adamant | Sitrus Berry | Zen Headbutt | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/SpD
i fucking loathe this thing. that sitrus berry lets it randomly beat good stuff one on one and it's infuriating since it'll always happen to you and you'll never get to use it because you're not going to be using hypno, come on man
802 | Hypno | Modest | Choice Specs | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | Focus Blast | SpA/SpD
when facing a hypno in wave4 and beyond, always consider how much damage specs psychic will do. dont let this thing surprise you.
361 | Infernape | Jolly | Coba Berry | Close Combat | Fire Punch | U-turn | Fake Out | Atk/Spe
heroic. close combat is all you need for wave 1. if you're lucky enough to get him later on you can do some neat stuff with fake out/uturn, and cleverly switch him back in at the right time to get into blaze range.
497 | Infernape | Adamant | Muscle Band | Blaze Kick | Shadow Claw | ThunderPunch | Gunk Shot | Atk/Spe
adamant muscle band blaze kick will do a lot of damage. you can rely on this guy for wave 2. handles common threats like set2 ludicolo, set2 skarmory, set2 venusaur et al. laugh at gunk shot all you want, it's your main out to that fucking ludicolo.
633 | Infernape | Modest | Brightpowder | Flamethrower | Focus Blast | SolarBeam | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
a solid mon. brightpowder is fun obviously, flamethrower is tremendous. even with poor ai, you can usually force yourself into blaze range with a sunny day, meaning flamethrower will destroy pretty much everything. dont focus blast unless you have to, you will lose if it misses.
769 | Infernape | Jolly | King's Rock | Flare Blitz | Close Combat | Earthquake | ThunderPunch | Atk/Spe
truly the boss. flare blitz/cc with this speed just tears through the competition, and when you flinch with one of them you will feel so full of vim and joie de vivre you will earnestly consider kissing your best female friend who you're secretly in love with. you're perfect for each other, that's why you've been close for so long.
453 | Jolteon | Timid | Focus Sash | Thunderbolt | Thunder Wave | Agility | Baton Pass | SpA/Spe
not bad, tbolt deals with the surpluss of water mons, and focus sash lets you get 2 of them off which will usually kill most mons. the fact that you have to switch whenever a ground comes along really slows things during wave 1, so i wouldn't recommend this thing.
589 | Jolteon | Hardy | Razor Claw | Discharge | Double Kick | Dig | Thunder Wave | Atk/SpA
while fast thunder wave is ok, double kick makes this a waste of everyone's time
725 | Jolteon | Timid | Lax Incense | Thunder | Shadow Ball | Rain Dance | Yawn | SpA/Spe
this mon is a prime example of how capricious and silly the battle factory can be. in theory, it's terrible. look at that set. all it should be able to do is get off a fast yawn. that is how i felt about this jolteon until one day when i was going into round 21 and i was told thorton is leading with infernape. i decide to lead with this thing. rain dance as it flare blitzes, thunder for the kill. in comes articuno. thunder. in comes suicune. thunder. thunder. jolteonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
861 | Jolteon | Modest | Razor Fang | Thunderbolt | Hyper Beam | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | SpA/Spe
no good. too frail to do much, there are safer answers to water pkmn (especially considering you will run into water/grounds a lot)
368 | Jynx | Calm | Chesto Berry | Psychic | Ice Beam | Lovely Kiss | Fake Tears | SpA/SpD
very good wave 1, that ice beam will fuck shit up. lovely kiss is pretty much spore, too.
504 | Jynx | Calm | Lax Incense | Dream Eater | Lovely Kiss | Perish Song | Mean Look | SpA/SpD
not a bad choice wave 2 solely for the 'fast' lovely kiss, which can handle scary shit. this mon will constantly remind you that stab dream eater has 150 power.
640 | Jynx | Modest | Expert Belt | Blizzard | Energy Ball | Signal Beam | Wring Out | SpA/Spe
risky due to its frailty, but man, expert belt blizzards? expert belt energy balls on quag/pert/gastro? you could do a lot worse.
776 | Jynx | Modest | Choice Specs | Ice Beam | Psychic | Focus Blast | Shadow Ball | SpA/Spe
amazing lead. ice beam until you can't ice beam any more. that is pokemon.
399 | Kangaskhan | Jolly | Salac Berry | Double-Edge | Crunch | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe
good choice wave 1. stab double edge is the answer. the question is pokemon.
535 | Kangaskhan | Adamant | Razor Claw | Dizzy Punch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
671 | Kangaskhan | Jolly | Life Orb | Double Hit | Hammer Arm | Shadow Claw | Rock Slide | Atk/Spe
hooray, life orb lets you have a less accurate return. total poop.
807 | Kangaskhan | Adamant | Muscle Band | Giga Impact | Earthquake | Crunch | Outrage | HP/Atk
waste of time. terrible moves, terrible stats.
474 | Kingdra | Timid | Razor Fang | Surf | Dragon Pulse | SmokeScreen | Rain Dance | SpA/Spe
very good choice wave 1. if you have swift swim you can rain dance as a pseudo special dragon dance. even if you don't, surf tears through most stuff and you cant lose to waters thanks to dragon pulse.
610 | Kingdra | Timid | Shell Bell | Brine | Ice Beam | Twister | Yawn | SpA/Spe
brine is the stupidest move ever conceived. if this had surf it'd be one of the best mons. yawn is still pretty cool though.
746 | Kingdra | Adamant | Lum Berry | Waterfall | Outrage | Iron Head | Dragon Dance | HP/Atk
oh man, this thing. you need 2 dances to outspeed anything but if you can get them off you will win guaranteed. this is one of my fave mons for wave 3, since even unboosted outrage will kill a ton of shit and vs thorton you can almost always take out a mon. don't bother with dancing vs thorton unless you're absolutely sure you can get 2 off. 1 is a waste of time since you're still slow.
882 | Kingdra | Modest | Wide Lens | Hydro Pump | Draco Meteor | Blizzard | Signal Beam | HP/SpA
this thing is incredible. 93% hydro pumps are legendary, so are 99% draco meteors. great dual stab with a crazy blizzard to boot, handles almost everything. A+++ would mon again
370 | Lanturn | Modest | Rindo Berry | Surf | Discharge | Thunder Wave | Aqua Ring | HP/SpA
too slow to be of much use wave 1, but those are some tasty stabs
506 | Lanturn | Calm | Lum Berry | Dive | Confuse Ray | Thunder Wave | Attract | HP/SpD
dont bother. enjoy guessing if it has illuminate or volt absorb though.
642 | Lanturn | Modest | Sitrus Berry | Hydro Pump | Thunder | Blizzard | Rain Dance | HP/SpA
this thing is surprisingly decent. i lose to it a lot with frail stuff like gengar. give it a chance.
778 | Lanturn | Modest | Expert Belt | Surf | Thunderbolt | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | HP/SpA
too little, too late
466 | Lapras | Adamant | Leftovers | Aqua Tail | Avalanche | Ice Shard | Curse | HP/Atk
so cool in theory, but even +1 ice shard doesn't do anything. poor lapras. leftovers are incredible, but it just takes too long to do much with this lovely mon.
602 | Lapras | Impish | Quick Claw | Sheer Cold | Perish Song | Sing | Confuse Ray | Def/SpD
everything about this pokemon is bullshit
738 | Lapras | Adamant | Lum Berry | Waterfall | Outrage | Zen Headbutt | Dragon Dance | HP/Atk
i've tried to like this, but you need 3 dances to do anything and that is just too much setup.
874 | Lapras | Modest | Brightpowder | Surf | Ice Beam | Psychic | Thunderbolt | HP/SpA
this thing's bulk allows it to beat a ton of interesting shit one on one. brightpowder is the icing on the cake. a choice you won't regret.
904 | Latias | Calm | Lum Berry | Psychic | Dragon Pulse | Attract | Calm Mind | SpA/SpD
it's funny, i've never had luck with the latis before. i don't know why. whenever i get the chance to use it, i always run into a fast physical mon right after and then it dies. if it was speedy it would be amazing. still a good choice, you'll probably have better lucky with it than i did.
918 | Latias | Adamant | Expert Belt | Dragon Claw | Zen Headbutt | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
what a terrible idea
932 | Latias | Timid | Brightpowder | Psychic | Ice Beam | Energy Ball | Shadow Ball | SpA/Spe
a good choice. straightforward special sweeper with fantastic coverage and an ok stab move. typing lets you beat a lot of shit.
946 | Latias | Modest | White Herb | Mist Ball | Draco Meteor | Thunderbolt | Surf | SpA/Spe
i've never seen this but i don't see why it wouldn't be absolutely incredible. fast herb meteor will not let you down.
905 | Latios | Calm | Focus Band | Psychic | Dragon Pulse | Thunder Wave | Calm Mind | SpA/SpD
same problems as set1 latias, but the thunder wave is kinda cool i guess.
919 | Latios | Adamant | Lum Berry | Dragon Claw | Shadow Claw | Earthquake | Dragon Dance | Atk/Spe
garbage. even if you get 2 dances off you still cant ohko anything with dragon claw and you'll die thanks to the damage you took dancing.
933 | Latios | Timid | Brightpowder | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Ice Beam | Energy Ball | SpA/Spe
better version of set3 latias.
947 | Latios | Modest | White Herb | Luster Purge | Draco Meteor | Hyper Beam | Surf | SpA/Spe
again, never seen it, but should just be a better version of set4 latias. shame about the hyper beam though.
457 | Leafeon | Jolly | Scope Lens | Leaf Blade | Aerial Ace | Double Team | Baton Pass | Atk/Spe
every leafeon is basically the same. if you want a semi-bulky mon with a hard hitting grass move, use it. if not, move on.
593 | Leafeon | Jolly | Brightpowder | Leaf Blade | Last Resort | Curse | GrassWhistle | Atk/Spe
curse with jolly and max speed is really weird, you still outspeed a ton of stuff even after a curse.
729 | Leafeon | Adamant | Heat Rock | Leaf Blade | X-Scissor | Synthesis | Sunny Day | Atk/Def
this thing has a cool niche in that you can't lose to toxistallers which is nice if it comes up but its not something you should obsess over.
865 | Leafeon | Adamant | Quick Claw | Leaf Blade | X-Scissor | Aerial Ace | Bite | Atk/Def
pretty terrible, but yeah, leaf blade.
445 | Lickilicky | Careful | Chesto Berry | Return | Earthquake | Belly Drum | Rest | HP/Atk
DRUMMYBELLY. make sure you don't do anything stupid against this one. not a good choice to use it, though.
581 | Lickilicky | Modest | Expert Belt | Surf | Ice Beam | Thunderbolt | Shadow Ball | HP/SpA
BELTIBOLTY. this is actually ok for some reason. burly as fuck and the belt lets you beat a lot of guys.
717 | Lickilicky | Brave | Lum Berry | Return | Gyro Ball | Curse | Rest | HP/Atk
LUMMIBALLY. this thing puts in some fucking work. it's hard to deal with, and is a veritable threat to a lot of teams. use it if you think you can get a curse off, cause after that it's smooth sailing.
853 | Lickilicky | Adamant | Lax Incense | Body Slam | Power Whip | Earthquake | Explosion | HP/Atk
LAXIWHIPPY. incredible pokemon. lax incense with a stab explosion is simply wonderful, power whip is so good your dick will hurt and body slam always seems to paralyze. lickilicky for top tier.
391 | Lopunny | Jolly | Focus Band | Return | Drain Punch | Charm | Mirror Coat | Atk/Spe
lopunny is the worst
527 | Lopunny | Jolly | Brightpowder | Focus Punch | Sweet Kiss | Attract | Thunder Wave | HP/Spe
i have lost to this. sometimes there is just nothing you can do.
663 | Lopunny | Modest | Wise Glasses | Charge Beam | Ice Beam | Shadow Ball | Focus Blast | SpA/Spe
this is like when your friend gets you a really shitty gift only in this case you're lucky in that you don't have to feign gratitude. kick this slut to the curb.
799 | Lopunny | Jolly | Muscle Band | Dizzy Punch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
lopunchy!!!!!!! too bad about the uh, you know, stats
459 | Lucario | Modest | Brightpowder | Aura Sphere | Flash Cannon | Water Pulse | Roar | SpA/Spe
aura sphere your wave through wave 1, young lucario
595 | Lucario | Adamant | Scope Lens | Cross Chop | Stone Edge | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
sucks. too frail to afford a cross chop/stone edge miss.
731 | Lucario | Adamant | Muscle Band | Close Combat | Earthquake | Blaze Kick | Shadow Claw | Atk/Spe
now we're talking. muscle banded adamant close combat will cause the fabric of space to warp and bend at your behest. blaze kick is surprisingly useful for dealing with fuckers like venusaur who always seem to pop up when you're on a close combat spree.
867 | Lucario | Modest | Expert Belt | Aura Sphere | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Dragon Pulse | SpA/Spe
worse than set3. you just dont have enough coverage to exploit expert belt. aura sphere still hits like a train though, so you can do a lot worse.
387 | Ludicolo | Adamant | Muscle Band | Waterfall | Razor Leaf | Drain Punch | Swords Dance | Atk/SpD
stop getting in the way of my earthquakes!!!!!
523 | Ludicolo | Impish | Leftovers | Leech Seed | Toxic | Double Team | Rain Dance | HP/Def/SpD
one of the best sets in the entire factory. it is very, very hard to lose wave 2 if you have this. when the ai gets smart its potential is stymied a bit, but it can still put in work if you bring it in at the right time.
659 | Ludicolo | Modest | Wide Lens | Hydro Pump | Grass Knot | Blizzard | Focus Blast | HP/SpA
a very good choice. this thing sweeps way better than you'd expect it to, and it doesn't really get hit se by anything.
795 | Ludicolo | Modest | Lum Berry | Surf | Giga Drain | Ice Beam | Rain Dance | SpA/SpD
if you have swift swim, this thing is a monster. rain dance and start collecting those bp.
433 | Luxray | Adamant | Razor Claw | Thunder Fang | Crunch | Howl | Charge | HP/Atk
only a baby would use this
569 | Luxray | Modest | Wise Glasses | Thunderbolt | Signal Beam | Thunder Wave | Magnet Rise | HP/SpA
better than set1, almost good enough to make you forget that you're using luxray
705 | Luxray | Adamant | White Herb | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | Superpower | Thunder Wave | HP/Atk
twave is always good, especially if you have intimidate. a consideration if you have a setup mon.
841 | Luxray | Adamant | Muscle Band | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | Crunch | Thunder Wave | HP/Atk
435 | Machamp | Adamant | Scope Lens | Cross Chop | Earthquake | Bullet Punch | Foresight | HP/Atk
a good choice for wave 1 if you have no guard, slightly less useful with guts. you'll still kill shit though.
571 | Machamp | Adamant | Focus Sash | Revenge | Earthquake | Payback | Counter | Def/SpD
dont bother with counter, but revenge will deal with almost every threat. this mon just simplifies the game. it takes out one thing and then it dies.
707 | Machamp | Adamant | Quick Claw | DynamicPunch | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
if you get this with no guard, you win. don't even think about it. just do it.
843 | Machamp | Adamant | Quick Claw | Cross Chop | Earthquake | ThunderPunch | Fire Punch | HP/Atk
worse than set3, but less reliant on no guard. just not explosive enough, unfortunately.
478 | Magmortar | Modest | Heat Rock | Fire Blast | Focus Blast | Will-O-Wisp | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
good choice wave 1 if you don't mind 85 accuracy, fire blast will kill almost everything.
614 | Magmortar | Adamant | Shuca Berry | Fire Punch | Focus Punch | Confuse Ray | SmokeScreen | Atk/Spe
one time i beat thorton with this thing thanks to confuse ray. it's still awful, though.
750 | Magmortar | Adamant | Passho Berry | Flare Blitz | ThunderPunch | Earthquake | Brick Break | Atk/Spe
flare blitz is ok, but you really can't hit for anything. worse than both charizard and typhlosion, and that's saying something.
886 | Magmortar | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | Psychic | Focus Blast | Confuse Ray | SpA/Spe
never actually used this thing. a semi-fast white herb overheat is pretty cool though. definitely considerable.
468 | Magnezone | Bold | Light Clay | Thunderbolt | Mirror Shot | Light Screen | Reflect | Def/SpA
an all-star. the only thing that beats this pokemon is earthquake, and considering during wave 1 their quaking mon only has a 1/4 chance of firing it off, you'll be able to kill them first. amazing too if you can get this later in the game, 8 turn screens are game-winning in 3v3.
604 | Magnezone | Impish | Lum Berry | Iron Head | Explosion | Swagger | Psych Up | Atk/Def
dumb gimmick. not even explosion makes this worthwhile
740 | Magnezone | Modest | Chesto Berry | Charge Beam | Flash Cannon | Magnet Rise | Thunder Wave | Def/SpA
another dumb gimmick, but this one actually works sometimes. magnet rise is cheeky, thunder wave into charge beam spam lets you beat a lot of fuckers. i don't think i'd use it for thorton though.
876 | Magnezone | Modest | Brightpowder | Thunderbolt | Flash Cannon | Tri Attack | Signal Beam | Def/SpA
brightpowder, good stabs, tbolts comparable to modest zam psychics, crazy physical bulk. this one is a keeper.
465 | Mamoswine | Adamant | Icy Rock | Earthquake | Ice Fang | Peck | Hail | HP/Atk
one of the best mons for wave 1. peck lets you beat heracross, dont laugh!!!!!
601 | Mamoswine | Adamant | Sitrus Berry | Avalanche | Earthquake | Iron Head | Curse | HP/Atk
pretty much the same thing as set1. you will never get a curse off. avalanche is kinda cool sometimes.
737 | Mamoswine | Adamant | Lax Incense | Earthquake | Superpower | Fissure | Hail | HP/Atk
probably better than the prior mamos if only cause of lax incense. you were never really using ice fang anyways.
873 | Mamoswine | Adamant | Life Orb | Earthquake | Ice Fang | Stone Edge | Double-Edge | HP/Atk
good but risky. you're pretty slow, and while that eq ohkos a lot, mamo is frail and loses to the millions of water mons in the factory.
380 | Manectric | Adamant | Shuca Berry | Thunder Fang | Crunch | Roar | Thunder Wave | Atk/Spe
516 | Manectric | Modest | Damp Rock | Thunder | Hyper Beam | Thunder Wave | Rain Dance | SpA/Spe
better than set1, but you can be better than diarrhea and still be a bodily fluid
652 | Manectric | Adamant | Quick Claw | Thunder Fang | Fire Fang | Ice Fang | Bite | Atk/Spe
they're not even trying anymore
788 | Manectric | Timid | Brightpowder | Thunderbolt | Flamethrower | Signal Beam | Swift | SpA/Spe
i always forget that this thing can use flamethrower. that and brightpowder make it an ok choice, just watch out for dragons.
364 | Marowak | Adamant | Razor Claw | Bone Rush | Brick Break | Iron Tail | Sandstorm | Atk/Def
marowak without thick club, enjoy being worse than sandslash
500 | Marowak | Adamant | Thick Club | Bone Rush | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Rock Slide | Atk/Def
bone rush is garbage, but it's hilarious when one hit is enough to ko some frail stuff. makes you feel tough.
636 | Marowak | Adamant | Thick Club | Earthquake | Giga Impact | Outrage | Fire Punch | Atk/Def
incredible. survives every physical hit and always ohkos back.
772 | Marowak | Adamant | Thick Club | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Iron Head | ThunderPunch | Atk/Def
even better than set3, use this with trick room to win every battle ever
365 | Medicham | Jolly | Salac Berry | Zen Headbutt | Reversal | Endure | Fake Out | Atk/Spe
endrevving doesnt work early game, but if you could get this later on i could see it being a menace.
501 | Medicham | Jolly | Cheri Berry | Drain Punch | Poison Jab | Detect | Recover | Atk/Spe
this is just retarded
637 | Medicham | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Focus Blast | Shadow Ball | Calm Mind | SpA/Spe
773 | Medicham | Adamant | Scope Lens | Psycho Cut | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
kinda fast, kinda mean. sadly if this is your best choice for waves 4 and above you are not going to do very well.
354 | Meganium | Modest | Heat Rock | SolarBeam | AncientPower | Synthesis | Sunny Day | Def/SpD
this thing always gets ancientpower boosts on me. shame it can't do anything with them except waste your time.
490 | Meganium | Calm | Big Root | Giga Drain | Leech Seed | Toxic | Substitute | HP/Def/SpD
hooray, subseeding. use this whenever you get the chance. you will not be disappointed. bulk + leech seed is so hard to deal with for the AI. if only they knew how to switch...
626 | Meganium | Bold | Light Clay | Leaf Storm | Wring Out | Light Screen | Reflect | HP/SpA
what a team player. 8 turn screens with good bulk already is pretty great. leaf storm actually does something when you're in overgrow range, too. this and set4 gyarados are best friends.
762 | Meganium | Modest | Lax Incense | Frenzy Plant | AncientPower | Hyper Beam | Light Screen | HP/SpA
worse than set3. worse than most things.
484 | Metagross | Adamant | Brightpowder | Zen Headbutt | Bullet Punch | Facade | Light Screen | Atk/Def
ok choice for wave1. zen headbutt is really annoying, but even neutral bullet punches do a surprising amount of damage. also this thing is bulky as fuck.
620 | Metagross | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Flash Cannon | Shadow Ball | Sludge Bomb | Def/SpA
surprisingly good. very good choice when you get it as set2 is riddled with toxic users who will all fall to your mighty steel husk.
756 | Metagross | Adamant | Occa Berry | Hammer Arm | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Aerial Ace | Atk/Def
looks terrible, but for some reason this thing performs very well. i can't really explain why since it has no stab and its moves are lacking, but just try it and you'll see what i mean.
892 | Metagross | Adamant | Quick Claw | Meteor Mash | Zen Headbutt | Earthquake | Explosion | HP/Atk
one of the best sets in the factory. you can easily kill 2 mons and then explode on the third. unreasonably good.
476 | Milotic | Modest | Shell Bell | Surf | Ice Beam | Attract | Hypnosis | HP/SpA
fantastic no matter when you get it. modest surf/ib is incredible, hypnosis isnt worth it early game but it could do something later if you're lucky.
612 | Milotic | Impish | Leftovers | Toxic | Confuse Ray | Double Team | Aqua Ring | HP/Def
auto-wins vs anything that isnt steel or poison, but it takes a while. use it if you don't mind a long wave 2.
748 | Milotic | Calm | Wide Lens | Hydro Pump | Blizzard | Mirror Coat | Recover | SpA/SpD
unstabbed tbolts wont even 2hko you. this thing is nuts. thorton cant deal with this, as most legendaries are special and thus lose to mirror coat, while most physical mons will lose to a hydro pump.
884 | Milotic | Modest | Lum Berry | Surf | Ice Beam | Dragon Pulse | Recover | HP/SpA
worse than set3 but better than set1. hard to kill but not quite enough firepower to be your main sweeper.
403 | Miltank | Impish | Cheri Berry | Return | Iron Head | Thunder Wave | Milk Drink | Atk/Def
surprisingly powerful return makes this a good choice for wave 1, especially with tricks like twave.
539 | Miltank | Adamant | Salac Berry | Facade | Zen Headbutt | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe
675 | Miltank | Adamant | Scope Lens | Dizzy Punch | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Def
idk why they kept multipunchers for set3 but surprise, they did
811 | Miltank | Adamant | Muscle Band | Giga Impact | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Zen Headbutt | Atk/Spe
this just doesnt work. giga impact doesnt do enough damage, you're a fucking cow
413 | Mismagius | Modest | Kasib Berry | Shadow Ball | Power Gem | Magical Leaf | Memento | SpA/Spe
this thing tends to memento vs you a lot which is annoying since it forces a switch. ive never had a chance to use it late game but it would be damned good with a dragon dancer or something.
549 | Mismagius | Modest | Lum Berry | Shadow Ball | Confuse Ray | Perish Song | Mean Look | SpA/SpD
waste of time
685 | Mismagius | Timid | Wise Glasses | Shadow Ball | Energy Ball | Icy Wind | Destiny Bond | SpA/Spe
not enough firepower with timid. skip it.
821 | Mismagius | Timid | Focus Sash | Shadow Ball | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Destiny Bond | SpA/Spe
this missy will almost always get 2 kills. one of the best mons available. lead with it and have fun, but dont be surprised. by how little even super effective tbolts do.
897 | Moltres | Timid | Passho Berry | Flamethrower | Air Slash | AncientPower | Roost | SpA/Spe
should be just a better version of set1 charizard, but i've never had the chance to use it effectively.
911 | Moltres | Timid | Heat Rock | Fire Blast | SolarBeam | Hyper Beam | Sunny Day | HP/SpA
8 turns of sun is cool, but this is just too fragile
925 | Moltres | Adamant | Power Herb | Sky Attack | Return | Steel Wing | U-turn | Atk/Spe
what an awful moveset. watch out for this thing though, that sky attack will ohko a lot of stuff.
939 | Moltres | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | Air Slash | AncientPower | Ominous Wind | SpA/Spe
better than set1. herb overheat is cool but your coverage is just bleh.
369 | Mr. Mime | Calm | Cheri Berry | Psychic | Signal Beam | Copycat | Mimic | SpA/SpD
this thing walls your special attackers but does nothing in return. sometimes it will copy your moves though!!
505 | Mr. Mime | Calm | Light Clay | Dream Eater | Hypnosis | Light Screen | Reflect | SpA/SpD
if its somehow faster than you, opts for the 1/4 hypnosis, and actually hits with it this thing can be a pain to take down. screen support isnt very useful in wave 2 though.
641 | Mr. Mime | Modest | Kasib Berry | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Energy Ball | Hyper Beam | SpA/SpD
those super effective tbolts just dont do enough damage. sorry mime.
777 | Mr. Mime | Modest | Choice Specs | Psychic | Charge Beam | Shadow Ball | Focus Blast | SpA/SpD
not a good lead at all due to its physical frailty, but if you keep it on your team and bring it out vs some special threats it'll put in a lot of work.
418 | Muk | Adamant | Black Sludge | Poison Jab | Shadow Sneak | Minimize | Acid Armor | HP/Atk
this thing is a load of shit to play vs. hope you have an earthquake. hope it doesnt piss you off. dont bother with it though, takes too long.
554 | Muk | Adamant | Expert Belt | Poison Jab | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
one of the better wave 2 punchers thanks to expert belt and a surprisingly powerful stab poison jab.
690 | Muk | Brave | Zoom Lens | Gunk Shot | Payback | Shadow Sneak | Curse | HP/Atk
i've never used this but it could be ok i guess. curse and shadow sneak work well against assholes like zam.
826 | Muk | Adamant | Quick Claw | Gunk Shot | Shadow Sneak | Brick Break | Explosion | HP/Atk
quick claw explosion makes anything good
408 | Nidoking | Impish | Focus Band | Earthquake | Poison Jab | Double Kick | Counter | HP/Atk
the king. decent for wave 1 thanks to that stab eq. take it if you dont have mamo or gliscor of flygon or something.
544 | Nidoking | Careful | Brightpowder | Focus Punch | Dragon Pulse | Horn Drill | Substitute | HP/Def/SpD
why is this a thing
680 | Nidoking | Modest | Expert Belt | Earth Power | Sludge Bomb | Ice Beam | Shadow Ball | SpA/Spe
this guy is delightful. he will do wonders. eclectic moveset bursting at the seams with coverage, two great stab moves, expert belt, and sometimes even a rivalry boost? the king.
816 | Nidoking | Adamant | Muscle Band | Earthquake | Poison Jab | Megahorn | Outrage | Atk/Spe
not as good as set3, but muscle band adamant eq can do things
407 | Nidoqueen | Adamant | Payapa Berry | Earthquake | Poison Fang | Aerial Ace | Charm | HP/Atk
notable as one of the few charmers. never worthwhile early game, if you randomly see it later on and want to confirm some dragon dances or something take it
543 | Nidoqueen | Adamant | Scope Lens | Poison Jab | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
679 | Nidoqueen | Modest | Black Sludge | Sludge Bomb | Earth Power | Flamethrower | Ice Beam | HP/SpA
worse version of set3 king. cheekily beats good dragons sometimes though.
815 | Nidoqueen | Adamant | Razor Claw | Earthquake | Poison Jab | Superpower | Crunch | HP/Atk
waste of time, likes to superpower vs you and let you set up with other stuff though.
434 | Ninetales | Timid | Brightpowder | Fire Blast | SolarBeam | Attract | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
shitty. that sp atk is abhorrent.
570 | Ninetales | Timid | White Herb | Overheat | Dark Pulse | Nasty Plot | Confuse Ray | SpA/Spe
this is shitty since herb only triggers if you go below 0, meaning if you nasty plot and then overheat, herb wont restore you to +2.
706 | Ninetales | Timid | Wide Lens | Heat Wave | Ominous Wind | Dream Eater | Hypnosis | SpD/Spe
a fast wide lens hypnosis is pretty cool. certainly not killing anything with that ev spread but its interesting
842 | Ninetales | Modest | Passho Berry | Flamethrower | Extrasensory | Energy Ball | Calm Mind | SpA/Spe
good luck calm minding
422 | Pinsir | Adamant | Coba Berry | X-Scissor | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Swords Dance | Atk/Def
one of the best mons for wave 1. same principle as gliscor.
558 | Pinsir | Jolly | Salac Berry | X-Scissor | Revenge | Flail | Endure | Atk/Spe
useful if only for a fast x scissor which deals with asshole grassers that wave 2 is lousy with.
694 | Pinsir | Adamant | Lax Incense | X-Scissor | Superpower | Stone Edge | Giga Impact | Atk/Def
weird set. too risky to use vs thorton.
830 | Pinsir | Adamant | Scope Lens | X-Scissor | Earthquake | Close Combat | Guillotine | Atk/Def
this is very good. even unstabbed close combat causes problems for trainers. guillotine if you want to not deserve your win.
421 | Politoed | Calm | Lax Incense | Surf | Hyper Voice | Mud Bomb | Swagger | SpA/SpD
557 | Politoed | Impish | Chesto Berry | Dive | Brick Break | Hypnosis | Perish Song | HP/Atk
dont even THINK about using this, buckaroo
693 | Politoed | Careful | Chesto Berry | Waterfall | Earthquake | Belly Drum | Rest | Atk/SpD
drum doesnt work. politoed doesnt work.
829 | Politoed | Modest | Wacan Berry | Hydro Pump | Ice Beam | Psychic | Hypnosis | SpA/SpD
ok i lied politoed works sometimes. wacan is lovely and this thing can twist scrotums with those hydro pumps. hypnosis when you're in trouble and hope for the best.
416 | Poliwrath | Modest | Rindo Berry | Surf | Vacuum Wave | Psychic | Double Team | HP/SpA
just gets in the way wave 1
552 | Poliwrath | Adamant | Lax Incense | Waterfall | DynamicPunch | Poison Jab | Bulk Up | HP/Atk
I LOVE YOU BULKYWRATH. this is one of my favourite mons. lax incense always triggers it seems, and this thing can just bulk up forever, especially if you get it with one of the myriad leech seeding mons during wave 2.
688 | Poliwrath | Modest | Wide Lens | Hydro Pump | Focus Blast | Blizzard | Mud Bomb | HP/SpA
i feel like i would be cheating on set2 poliwrath if i said i liked this
824 | Poliwrath | Adamant | Expert Belt | Waterfall | Focus Punch | Earthquake | Hypnosis | HP/Atk
i am a faithful man, i will not even look at this poliwrath
444 | Porygon2 | Modest | Cheri Berry | Tri Attack | Charge Beam | Thunder Wave | Recycle | HP/SpA
PORY2. i am biased about this set since i used it when i beat thorton2. thunder wave and bulk like this is fantastic. really good during wave 1 just cause of that special attack and a possible download boost. yeehaw.
580 | Porygon2 | Quiet | Iron Ball | Tri Attack | Thunderbolt | Recover | Trick Room | HP/SpA
really cool trick roomer. recover with bulk like this makes duckboy a hard mon to kill
716 | Porygon2 | Modest | Wise Glasses | Tri Attack | Thunderbolt | Psychic | Ice Beam | HP/SpA
pory2 is seriously one of the best mons in the factory. its stat spread usually means that whatever it can ohko cant ohko it, and whatever it can 2hko cant 2hko it. such a lovely duck.
852 | Porygon2 | Modest | Lum Berry | Tri Attack | Signal Beam | Shadow Ball | Ice Beam | HP/SpA
not as good as set3, those glasses made pory2 very wise
471 | Porygon-Z | Modest | Sitrus Berry | Tri Attack | Shadow Ball | Recycle | Conversion 2 | HP/SpA
will sweep through wave 1 if you have adaptability or get a sp atk download boost
607 | Porygon-Z | Timid | Choice Scarf | Tri Attack | Thunder Wave | Recover | Trick | SpA/Spe
this is the coolest set in the factory. i almost never get it but the combo potential is endless. you either trickscarf and set up your goodie, or you tear through the team with a fast powered up tri attack. this thing's potential is wasted during wave 2, but if you're lucky enough to get it later abuse the fuck out of it.
743 | Porygon-Z | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Charge Beam | HP/SpA
no stab means you know it'll usually have adaptability. sucks.
879 | Porygon-Z | Modest | Expert Belt | Tri Attack | Shadow Ball | Thunderbolt | Recover | SpA/Spe
patently worse than pory2. sorry dude!!!
461 | Probopass | Brave | Cheri Berry | AncientPower | Magnet Bomb | Thunder Wave | Protect | Atk/SpA
one of those mons that only exists to be earthquaked
597 | Probopass | Adamant | Chople Berry | Iron Head | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/SpD
terrible puncher, probably because it has no arms
733 | Probopass | Adamant | Scope Lens | Stone Edge | Iron Head | Earthquake | Explosion | Atk/Def
not bad if only because it's a mon with explosion on set3. can be useful against thorton if you want to simplify the battle and hope for the best.
869 | Probopass | Modest | Life Orb | Flash Cannon | Power Gem | Earth Power | Thunderbolt | SpA/SpD
no redeeming qualities. skip.
366 | Quagsire | Adamant | Rindo Berry | Earthquake | Aqua Tail | Brick Break | Counter | HP/Atk
considerable if you have no other quaker, but certainly nowhere near ideal. aqua tail sucks.
502 | Quagsire | Careful | Leftovers | Dive | Yawn | Curse | Amnesia | HP/Def/SpD
this thing is monstrous. always watch out for this mon during wave 2 because it can randomly beat unprepared teams. not worth using in wave 2 since it just takes too long, but has incredible utility later game both because of bulk + yawn for team support and because it can set up on a lot, and once it sets up you win. watch out for dive's pp though.
638 | Quagsire | Modest | Quick Claw | Surf | Earth Power | Focus Blast | Sludge Bomb | HP/SpA
too average, you can do better by wave 3
774 | Quagsire | Adamant | Muscle Band | Earthquake | Waterfall | Stone Edge | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
surprisingly viable. adamant muscle band eq is potent. this can beat a lot of stuff one on one, keeping him in the wings can help you recover from a seemingly game-ending crit on your lead if you play him right.
378 | Raichu | Adamant | Wide Lens | ThunderPunch | Iron Tail | Slam | Quick Attack | Atk/Spe
if a pokemon has slam, it's probably terrible
514 | Raichu | Jolly | Focus Band | ThunderPunch | Focus Punch | Sweet Kiss | Thunder Wave | Atk/Spe
terrible mon, watch out for it though. anything with fast parafusion can wreck your shit if you're unlucky. lucky those focus punches don't really hit for very much.
650 | Raichu | Timid | Petaya Berry | Thunderbolt | Focus Blast | Signal Beam | Nasty Plot | SpA/Spe
pretty solid lead, surprisingly. can usually get a np off and then wrecks most stuff afterwards. one time vs thorton i brought this in as a lead knowing that his first mon couldnt quite ohko me, so i got a nasty plot + petaya off and then tore through the team.
786 | Raichu | Adamant | Brightpowder | Volt Tackle | Return | Brick Break | Thunder Wave | Atk/Spe
i've used this a couple times to great effect. waters are everywhere and a fast volt tackle will solve a lot of problems. noticeably weaker than set4 arcanine's flare blitz, but with a way better attacking type. can't take any hits but usually doesn't need to. not a good lead, just bring him in to quickly revenge something and hope their followup mon is water. twave is techy, too.
898 | Raikou | Timid | Lum Berry | Thunderbolt | Shadow Ball | Thunder Wave | Light Screen | SpA/Spe
pretty good mon as long as your team can handle ground mons. light screen has limited use but it can turn a game in your favour.
912 | Raikou | Jolly | King's Rock | Thunder Fang | Crunch | Iron Head | Return | Atk/Spe
this is stupid
926 | Raikou | Modest | Wise Glasses | Thunder | Extrasensory | Signal Beam | Rain Dance | SpA/Spe
this is probably better than set1, even without a team that likes rain. if you lead with it and you can usually get a rain dance off due to your bulk, and then modest wiseglasses thunders will destroy everything. i find set1 raikou has this bad habit of doing 75% to stuff with tbolts, and id much rather go rain dance into thunder for the ohko and have 3 turns of thunders left.
940 | Raikou | Modest | Shuca Berry | Thunderbolt | Extrasensory | Shadow Ball | Calm Mind | SpA/Spe
amazing, but not quite as good as it seems, i found myself unable to get a calm mind off very reliably. still the best raikou set thanks to that shuca and modest.
430 | Rampardos | Adamant | Toxic Orb | Rock Slide | Facade | Crunch | Screech | HP/Atk
not threatening since its slow and loses to everything
566 | Rampardos | Brave | Iron Ball | Stone Edge | Payback | Avalanche | Fling | HP/Atk
702 | Rampardos | Adamant | Life Orb | Head Smash | Zen Headbutt | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | HP/Atk
life orb head smash works as a pseudo explosion with bad accuracy, but sadly this thing can't take a hit so at best you're going one for one.
838 | Rampardos | Jolly | Choice Scarf | Head Smash | Earthquake | Giga Impact | Superpower | Atk/Spe
very menacing. i've lost with some pretty strong teams to this thing. i don't enjoy using it myself thanks to head smash's accuracy, but it's a good last mon cleaner a la slaking.
417 | Rapidash | Modest | Chesto Berry | Fire Blast | SolarBeam | Sunny Day | Rest | SpA/Spe
sp atk is too low, way better fires in wave 1, and fires in general arent very good since wave 1 is you spamming earthquake and your mon eventually dying to a probable water mon, making fires a bad followup choice.
553 | Rapidash | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | SolarBeam | Swift | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
herb overheat seems solid enough, i've never used this though
689 | Rapidash | Adamant | Brightpowder | Flare Blitz | Poison Jab | Iron Tail | Horn Drill | Atk/Spe
now we're talking. the number of times i've ohko'd 2 mons in a row with flare blitz and horn drilled the third is more than 1. fast flare blitzes that hit like a truck thanks to adamant, the brightpowder just makes you even cuter. a very solid choice for the impending thorton battle.
825 | Rapidash | Jolly | Chesto Berry | Flare Blitz | Megahorn | Double-Edge | Hypnosis | Atk/Spe
pales in comparison to set 3 due to lackluster item and a lesser nature. that hypnosis can put in a bit of work but relying on 60% when you're this far in the game? take some time and think about it, hotshot.
902 | Regice | Modest | Lum Berry | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Charge Beam | Amnesia | SpA/SpD
a safer blissey that can actually fuck shit up. lum is a good safety net. very good choice if you have a way to handle shit like infernape.
916 | Regice | Impish | Leftovers | Avalanche | Hammer Arm | Double Team | Curse | HP/Def
one of the best mons in the factory. find something you can set up on and don't stop until you're +6+6+6. even with +6 hammer arm wont be doing much but who cares, you're invincible. clear body makes this set shine.
930 | Regice | Bold | Chesto Berry | Ice Beam | Flash Cannon | AncientPower | Rest | Def/SpA
im not sure if this is worse than set1 or not. less firepower and a far worse moveset, but those evs and chestorest can let you survive a ton. this also makes it impossible to lose to bullshit stall mons. a rester on your team is never a bad idea.
944 | Regice | Modest | Shell Bell | Ice Beam | Thunderbolt | Hyper Beam | Focus Blast | HP/SpA
never seen this one, but i don't think it's as good as set1/3. most waters are special and thus cant touch you, making charge beam a better electric move in the long run.
908 | Regigigas | Impish | Lax Incense | Return | Aerial Ace | Thunder Wave | Confuse Ray | HP/Def/SpD
annoying but pretty useless. scary to bump into though, parafusion is a force to be reckoned with.
922 | Regigigas | Careful | Leftovers | Facade | Zen Headbutt | Double Team | Substitute | HP/Def/SpD
another very good mon. bulky double teamer/subber WITH LEFTOVERS that eventually starts dishing out somewhat powerful facades?
936 | Regigigas | Modest | Wise Glasses | Earth Power | Focus Blast | Thunderbolt | AncientPower | HP/SpA
nice try, but no
950 | Regigigas | Adamant | Brightpowder | Crush Grip | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Drain Punch | HP/Atk
bad mon for bad people
901 | Regirock | Impish | Leftovers | Rock Slide | Earthquake | Brick Break | Sandstorm | Atk/Def
takes close combats like they're nothing. too bad about, you know, the water type.
915 | Regirock | Adamant | Razor Claw | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Drain Punch | HP/Atk
this is probably worse than miltank at multipunching. yes, you read that right.
929 | Regirock | Careful | Chesto Berry | Stone Edge | Hammer Arm | Rest | Curse | HP/SpD
never had a chance to use this but it could see it getting the job done. watch out for crits, you big rocky linebacker.
943 | Regirock | Careful | Quick Claw | Stone Edge | Earthquake | Hammer Arm | Explosion | Atk/SpD
quick claw explosion. you win.
903 | Registeel | Modest | Lum Berry | Flash Cannon | Thunderbolt | Thunder Wave | Amnesia | HP/SpA
decent for team support since it can almost always get a thunder wave in. bad evs though.
917 | Registeel | Adamant | Leftovers | Iron Head | Toxic | Double Team | Iron Defense | HP/Def/SpD
imagine it; you're at battle 45. this thing comes out. you hit it for 30%. it double teams. you quickly realize that the situation is nowhere near as malleable as you wish it were. you then see two menacing steel behemoths begin to robotically 'eat' whatever their leftovers are. the image is so fey and so surreal that you are on the verge of tears. you attack again and you miss, it double teams a second time. three registeels are now consuming something in front of you, but you still can't make out what it is. their movements are jerky yet calculated. they feed almost ritualistically. your palms are sweaty. you quickly check this list to see what its exact moveset is, but you don't really know why. you know what its moveset is. you've always known. maybe you were trying to buy time? you attack and it misses for the second time. your pokemon is encircled by four registeels, and you swear you hear it make a mournful sound.
you press buttons. you writhe. you writhe and then you lose.
931 | Registeel | Adamant | Razor Claw | Shadow Claw | Aerial Ace | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
i was really impressed with how many mons this guy can beat one on one. give him a try.
945 | Registeel | Adamant | Shell Bell | Iron Head | Hammer Arm | Earthquake | Curse | HP/Def/SpD
cursing with no recovery sucks
396 | Rhydon | Adamant | Passho Berry | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Crunch | Scary Face | Atk/Def
a solid wave 1 quaker, with a useful secondary stab. a bit on the slow side though.
532 | Rhydon | Adamant | Focus Sash | Earthquake | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Def
focus sash makes this a very cool mon. worth taking early game for sure.
668 | Rhydon | Brave | Persim Berry | Outrage | Hammer Arm | Shadow Claw | Avalanche | HP/Atk
bad moves. avalanche lets you beat dragons i guess?
804 | Rhydon | Adamant | Quick Claw | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Megahorn | Horn Drill | HP/Atk
late in the game you have safer mons with earthquake, so i dont see a use for this. watch out for quick claw horn drill though. that dirty, sticky feeling your skin gets afterwards lasts forever. there is no ablution but through the death of the self, or of thorton.
469 | Rhyperior | Adamant | Focus Band | Rock Wrecker | Earthquake | Crunch | Roar | Atk/Def
better than set1 rhydon i guess. wrock wrecker hits so ridiculously hard
605 | Rhyperior | Adamant | Expert Belt | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Aqua Tail | Atk/Def
expert belt makes him kinda neat, much worse than set2 muk though
741 | Rhyperior | Impish | Focus Sash | Horn Drill | Avalanche | Payback | Counter | HP/Def
takes an absolute pittance from physical mons (if you have solid wrock, im pretty sure flygon eq is a 4hko) but cant reliably beat very much. also loses to most things special, but if someone like zam decides to not focus blast you, payback is cool.
877 | Rhyperior | Adamant | Choice Band | Rock Wrecker | Earthquake | Hammer Arm | Megahorn | HP/Atk
decent cleaner. cb wrock wrecker beats everything. probably not worth the team spot though.
437 | Roserade | Calm | Coba Berry | Sludge Bomb | Magical Leaf | Stun Spore | Mud-Slap | SpA/SpD
not the worst for wave 1, magical leaf beats the ubiquitous rhydon/rhyperior/golem crew.
573 | Roserade | Calm | Big Root | Giga Drain | Leech Seed | Ingrain | Synthesis | SpA/SpD
nowhere near the best leech seeder in wave 2, but still a damn good mon. that special defense is absurd, too.
709 | Roserade | Modest | White Herb | Leaf Storm | Sludge Bomb | Hyper Beam | GrassWhistle | SpA/Spe
so good. you outspeed most shit, and leaf storm ohkos the world. multitudinous waters beware, you've got a white herb.
845 | Roserade | Modest | White Herb | Leaf Storm | Sludge Bomb | Shadow Ball | Weather Ball | SpA/Spe
slightly better than set3 but not very noticeable. one time i had a tyranitar as a lead with this mon. articuno was not expecting that weather ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
483 | Salamence | Adamant | Cheri Berry | Dragon Claw | Aerial Ace | Aqua Tail | Scary Face | Atk/Spe
hard to lose with this mon during wave 1. sadly dragon claw is kinda weak so you usually 2hko stuff, making the process slog on a bit longer than it has to.
619 | Salamence | Jolly | Razor Fang | Dragon Claw | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Dragon Dance | Atk/Spe
wonderful during wave 2. always gets 2 dances in. almost every match ends in 5 turns.
755 | Salamence | Modest | Wise Glasses | Draco Meteor | Hydro Pump | Flamethrower | Ominous Wind | SpA/Spe
hydro pump doesnt really solve any problems unfortunately. modest glasses meteor will tear holes through stuff, but sadly you have to switch out after which kinda spoils it.
891 | Salamence | Adamant | Lum Berry | Outrage | Crunch | Earthquake | Zen Headbutt | Atk/Spe
357 | Sceptile | Jolly | Liechi Berry | Leaf Blade | Crunch | Quick Attack | Screech | Atk/Spe
attack is too low to accomplish much. this mon threatens your quakers with leaf blade, but dont worry, its only 1/4
493 | Sceptile | Timid | Leftovers | Giga Drain | Leech Seed | Toxic | Double Team | SpA/Spe
the worst leech seeder due to its frailty, but its niche is that its fast enough to guarantee getting a seed off before dying, so if you have another setup mon you can keep him healthy.
629 | Sceptile | Adamant | Scope Lens | Leaf Blade | X-Scissor | Night Slash | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
even as adamant, you still cant do anything with leaf blade
765 | Sceptile | Timid | Occa Berry | Leaf Storm | Dragon Pulse | Focus Blast | Hyper Beam | SpA/Spe
really wish it was modest@white herb but oh well. not very good, unfortunately. dragon pulse wont be killing any dragons, and every dragon will one shot you.
423 | Scizor | Impish | Brightpowder | X-Scissor | Bullet Punch | Swords Dance | Baton Pass | Atk/Def
the best scizor is set1 scizor. look at this thing. devastating with technician, still threatening with swarm. great lead for wave 1. dance once or twice and then take on the world.
559 | Scizor | Careful | Sitrus Berry | Metal Claw | Night Slash | Iron Defense | Roost | Atk/SpD
pretty powerful with technician, terrible with swarm.
695 | Scizor | Jolly | Salac Berry | X-Scissor | Quick Attack | Reversal | Endure | Atk/Spe
if this thing has swarm, it can work wonders once the ai gets good. being set3, its a very solid choice for thorton.
831 | Scizor | Adamant | Occa Berry | X-Scissor | Iron Head | Aerial Ace | Night Slash | Atk/Def
technician aerial ace is cool i guess, but this just doesnt measure up during wave 4 and beyond
388 | Shiftry | Jolly | Persim Berry | Seed Bomb | Faint Attack | X-Scissor | Fake Out | Atk/Sp
seed bomb can sweep a little bit during wave 1. one of the better bad choices.
524 | Shiftry | Calm | Leftovers | Giga Drain | Leech Seed | Double Team | Synthesis | HP/Def/SpD
the only seeder with synthesis, this guy is kind of cool. not quite as good as ludicolo/meganium/venusaur but hes certainly a good mon
660 | Shiftry | Modest | White Herb | Leaf Storm | Dark Pulse | Focus Blast | Shadow Ball | HP/SpA
roserade without the speed and with slightly better coverage. can take most non-se hits and ohko back with leaf storm.
796 | Shiftry | Adamant | Cheri Berry | Seed Bomb | Sucker Punch | Aerial Ace | Explosion | HP/Atk
cheri berry is a waste of everyone's time, but man, sucker punch is awesome late game. explosion is too. this mon is just full of tricks.
436 | Shuckle | Impish | Lax Incense | Stone Edge | Bug Bite | Swagger | Power Trick | HP/Def/SpD
572 | Shuckle | Careful | Grip Claw | Wrap | Swagger | Attract | Toxic | HP/Def/SpD
708 | Shuckle | Impish | Lax Incense | Gyro Ball | Substitute | Double Team | Power Trick | HP/Def/SpD
this thing can troll the fuck out of you with that incense/double teams. do your best to not let it get a sub up.
844 | Shuckle | Calm | Leftovers | Toxic | Substitute | Double Team | Sandstorm | HP/Def/SpD
be very, very careful of this mon. if you have a steel/poison/rester you're fine, but otherwise do everything in your power to not let it get too many double teams in.
373 | Skarmory | Impish | Occa Berry | Drill Peck | Steel Wing | Spikes | Roar | Atk/Def
drill peck hits pretty hard, surprisingly.
509 | Skarmory | Careful | Leftovers | Fly | Toxic | Double Team | Roost | HP/Def/SpD
this is the best pokemon in the factory, bar none. i have killed 21 straight pokemon in a round with this thing multiple times. not 'fainted'. killed. you don't faint from poison. or you do, and then you die afterwards. always make sure your team during wave 2 has an answer to this, otherwise you may as well turn your game off when you see it. in the past i've got 4 crits on it and still lost. it is unfairly durable.
645 | Skarmory | Impish | Razor Claw | Drill Peck | Slash | Payback | Night Slash | Atk/Def
slash? gen 1 chic
781 | Skarmory | Adamant | Life Orb | Brave Bird | Steel Wing | X-Scissor | Rock Slide | Atk/Def
cool idea, brave bird is always welcome, especially with life orb. sadly the two forms of recoil make this bird nowhere near as durable as it should be. oh well.
383 | Skuntank | Adamant | Razor Claw | Sucker Punch | Poison Jab | Slash | Screech | HP/Atk
poison jab hits kinda hard, but is it really worth hearing skuntank's cry every round?
519 | Skuntank | Jolly | Chesto Berry | Crunch | Toxic | Swagger | Double Team | HP/Spe
ev spread is ridiculous. set is ridiculous. i roll my eyes when i see this pokemon.
655 | Skuntank | Timid | Shuca Berry | Sludge Bomb | Dark Pulse | Flamethrower | Shadow Ball | SpA/Spe
sometimes you have a steel mon or something and this uses flamethrower and you kind of get nervous and then you watch your pokemon's health drop and you notice it stops kind of early and you think 'wait a minute do i have an occa berry' and then you remember that skuntank is fucking garbage
791 | Skuntank | Jolly | Muscle Band | Poison Jab | Night Slash | Crunch | Explosion | Atk/Spe
ok i lied, skuntank is kind of cool. explosion? how stinky would THAT be
486 | Slaking | Impish | Lax Incense | Facade | Shadow Claw | Slack Off | Yawn | HP/Def
total bother to run into wave 1. takes forever to beat this thing with a physical mon, especially since it seems to always use yawn as its first move. dies to almost anything special though, dont worry.
622 | Slaking | Adamant | Lum Berry | Crush Claw | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Def
its rare to find a mon where every single move does less than return
758 | Slaking | Jolly | Life Orb | Return | Night Slash | Gunk Shot | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
this guy is good. incredible mon to keep on your team for thorton, cleans up messes like nothing else. return ohkos almost everything, watch out for steels though.
894 | Slaking | Adamant | Muscle Band | Giga Impact | Earthquake | Hammer Arm | Shadow Claw | HP/Atk
worse than set 3 probably, but maybe not since it has an answer to steels. i've never actually used this but i could see it serving the same purpose.
397 | Slowbro | Bold | Chesto Berry | Psychic | Surf | Calm Mind | Yawn | Def/SpA
bro!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love this guy, he surfs fuckers until they're nothing but sopping corpses, and smiles dopily while doing so. yawn into calm mind if you really want to have fun.
533 | Slowbro | Adamant | Expert Belt | Zen Headbutt | Aqua Tail | Earthquake | Avalanche | HP/Atk
come on, bro
669 | Slowbro | Modest | Choice Specs | Psychic | Flamethrower | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | HP/SpA
why the FUCK does this not have surf, i mean seriously, it would be amazing with it aaaaaaa
805 | Slowbro | Quiet | Leftovers | Psychic | Surf | Ice Beam | Trick Room | HP/SpA
bulk, leftovers, trick room, amazing coverage. this is one top tier mon, even without a team that likes trick room.
402 | Slowking | Quiet | Shell Bell | Psychic | Brine | Yawn | Trick Room | HP/Def/SpD
brine is shit. way worse than the bro.
538 | Slowking | Adamant | Quick Claw | Zen Headbutt | Aqua Tail | Earthquake | Curse | HP/Atk
674 | Slowking | Modest | Lum Berry | Psychic | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | Focus Blast | SpA/SpD
sponges specials sometimes and does 70% to everything before dying, whatever
810 | Slowking | Modest | Wise Glasses | Psychic | Surf | Ice Beam | Flamethrower | HP/SpA
ok youre marginally better than set3
473 | Snorlax | Adamant | Leftovers | Return | Rock Slide | Curse | Yawn | HP/Atk
such a cockblock. one of the best set1 mons, even +1 return puts nails in coffins. really stressful to play against, youll go first and hit it for 40% as it yawns, then youre forced to switch out as it yawns again and gains health from lefties, then yawns a third time and you realize that your hard work is being undone but theres no way it would yawn a 4th time so you switch, but it fucking does
609 | Snorlax | Adamant | Chesto Berry | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Rest | Atk/SpD
rest would be useful to combat all the stall mons in wave 2, but considering this cant actually beat any of them (im pretty sure everything will gain like 30% per turn from leech seed) its not a good choice
745 | Snorlax | Adamant | White Herb | Outrage | Superpower | Gunk Shot | Seed Bomb | Atk/SpD
all i want is return
881 | Snorlax | Adamant | Life Orb | Double-Edge | Earthquake | Zen Headbutt | Crunch | HP/Atk
pretty good as a cleaner, sluggishness + recoil means you cant really kill more than one mon reliably thogh. its unfortunate, but the only good life orb mons in the factory are slaking and gengar.
381 | Staraptor | Jolly | King's Rock | Return | Aerial Ace | Double Team | Roost | Atk/Spe
your gung-ho return-spamming attitude is stultified by all the rocks and steels, so be careful. a quaker is better, but this guy is a nice boost to your wave 1 team with proper support.
517 | Staraptor | Jolly | King's Rock | Endeavor | Aerial Ace | Endure | Quick Attack | Atk/Spe
how droll. one time i lost to this thing cause it endured, got a flinch on endeavor thanks to kings rock, then quick attacked. - ___-
653 | Staraptor | Adamant | Muscle Band | Brave Bird | Return | Steel Wing | Pursuit | Atk/Spe
oh yes yes yes. adamant muscle band lets return show you just how much this bird cares about you. brave bird makes a mockery of all things. steel wing is cute vs rocks or whatever. you still cant do much vs steels but by the time you get this you care less about rushing through the wave and more about longterm usefulness, which this mon has in spades.
789 | Staraptor | Adamant | Choice Band | Brave Bird | Giga Impact | Close Combat | U-turn | Atk/Spe
wish it had return over giga impact, but yeah, this thing is a monster. can come in quite easily on most things physical thanks to indimiate, and quickly destroy with brave bird/close combat. u-turn is kinda sneaky, useful if you want to get a second intimidate off.
450 | Starmie | Timid | Lum Berry | Surf | Psychic | Confuse Ray | Thunder Wave | SpA/Spe
bleh, timid means you just don't hit very hard. good as a backup mon with something like staraptor since you can handle rocks and steels and stuff.
586 | Starmie | Timid | Wide Lens | Hydro Pump | Blizzard | Thunder | Recover | SpA/Spe
this guy is a lot of fun in wave 2. just roll the dice and hope for the best. usually you ohko stuff.
722 | Starmie | Modest | Wise Glasses | Surf | Psychic | Power Gem | Signal Beam | SpA/Spe
modest wise glasses puts in a bit of work, but the coverage is lacking. the last two moves may as well not exist, except vs exeggutor or something
858 | Starmie | Modest | Expert Belt | Surf | Psychic | Thunderbolt | Ice Beam | SpA/Spe
this is one cool cat. modest with expert belt scores those delightful kos, and whatever you cant ohko you can usually take a hit from, letting you still come out on top.
439 | Steelix | Impish | Passho Berry | Earthquake | Iron Head | Crunch | Sandstorm | Atk/Def
good luck killing this physically. lackluster quaker due to that paltry pittance of an attack stat.
575 | Steelix | Adamant | Shuca Berry | Earthquake | Fire Fang | Thunder Fang | Ice Fang | Atk/Def
adamant makes eq a bit better, not the worst fanger in wave 2 assuming you're not playing against any mons with special attacks.
711 | Steelix | Relaxed | Iron Ball | Gyro Ball | Payback | Swagger | Curse | Atk/Def
gyro ball does surprising damage, but this is a gimmick not worth using.
847 | Steelix | Brave | Quick Claw | Gyro Ball | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Explosion | Atk/Def
qc explosion!!!!!!!!!! good mon. bring it out vs waters and explode in their faces 30% of the time
900 | Suicune | Calm | Focus Sash | Surf | Icy Wind | Ominous Wind | Mirror Coat | SpA/SpD
this guy's good. takes stab tbolts and mirror coats brash interlopers. surf hits surprisingly hard, icy wind is a hilarious but useful gimmick vs mence and chomp.
914 | Suicune | Jolly | King's Rock | Waterfall | Ice Fang | Iron Head | Bite | Atk/Spe
exists only to get your hopes up when you see a suicune
928 | Suicune | Bold | Lum Berry | Hydro Pump | Blizzard | Shadow Ball | Hail | Def/SpA
i don't really understand this set, but man, this thing takes hits
942 | Suicune | Modest | Wacan Berry | Surf | Ice Beam | Extrasensory | Calm Mind | HP/SpA
not much of an endeavor to get a couple calm minds off, then stuff starts to happen. a very good choice.
359 | Swampert | Adamant | Shell Bell | Waterfall | Earthquake | Ice Punch | Protect | HP/Atk
one of the best mons in wave 1. such good coverage. only bad matchup is vs ludicolo, everything else will fall.
495 | Swampert | Adamant | Lum Berry | Aqua Tail | Earthquake | Hammer Arm | Curse | HP/Atk
pretty good during wave 2, if you don't mind things taking kinda long it isn't hard to open with a seeder and swap into this guy.
631 | Swampert | Modest | Expert Belt | Muddy Water | Earth Power | Ice Beam | Counter | HP/SpA
too bad about that muddy water. expert belt with such wonderful coverage and the veritable blessing that is counter makes this pert a keeper.
767 | Swampert | Adamant | Rindo Berry | Earthquake | Aqua Tail | Avalanche | Mirror Coat | HP/Atk
fucking aqua tail. still the best pert, rindo with mirror coat is incredible. quake some fuckers. avalanche some draconic fuckers. swampert is probably the most consistently good mon in the factory.
470 | Tangrowth | Modest | Coba Berry | Energy Ball | Sludge Bomb | Focus Blast | Sleep Powder | Def/SpA
this thing gets in the way of your quakefast wave 1. not a good choice since energy ball kinda sucks.
606 | Tangrowth | Bold | Big Root | Giga Drain | Leech Seed | Toxic | Double Team | HP/Def/SpA
physically defensive roserade kinda, you can double team forever vs something physical and hope for the best vs special mons.
742 | Tangrowth | Modest | Heat Rock | SolarBeam | Wring Out | Synthesis | Sunny Day | Def/SpA
man this thing is bulky. i beat a set4 garchomp one on one with this, outrage couldn't even 2hko and i eventually got some outrage confusion masochism and took the win. i love you, tangrowth.
878 | Tangrowth | Adamant | Lax Incense | Power Whip | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | Brick Break | Atk/Def
not that great, power whip would be good vs all the waters but most of them are special and thus outspeed and ohko with ice shit before you even get a chance.
400 | Tauros | Jolly | Persim Berry | Thrash | Zen Headbutt | Pursuit | Scary Face | Atk/Spe
this is so embarrassingly weak, thrash is the worst
536 | Tauros | Adamant | Life Orb | Facade | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Payback | Atk/Spe
still surprisingly weak, ugh. being a 3rd gen player i was so excited to use this thing ('its almost like cb tauros and that guy hit pretty hard!!!') but even super effective quakes dont finish the job sometimes. fucking tauros.
672 | Tauros | Jolly | Lum Berry | Giga Impact | Earthquake | Outrage | Iron Tail | Atk/Spe
you hit harder than set2 with that giga impact, but bleh. sucks.
808 | Tauros | Adamant | Choice Band | Return | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Zen Headbutt | Atk/Spe
now this is a good mon. one of the best choice banders since return is accurate and deadly. even without intimidate this guy will still put in a ton of work.
442 | Tentacruel | Timid | Wacan Berry | Surf | Sludge Bomb | Icy Wind | Barrier | SpA/Spe
timid hits like a baby with muscular dystrophy. there are better surfers.
578 | Tentacruel | Calm | Black Sludge | Toxic | Giga Drain | Attract | Confuse Ray | HP/SpD
really annoying and tanks specials like nothing else, but id rather a leech seeder or something.
714 | Tentacruel | Modest | Focus Sash | Surf | Sludge Bomb | Giga Drain | Mirror Coat | SpA/SpD
decent mirror coater, can actually ko some stuff too. beware its relative sluggishness though.
850 | Tentacruel | Timid | Scope Lens | Hydro Pump | Sludge Bomb | Ice Beam | Wring Out | SpA/Spe
wish it was modest, even hydro pump is kinda weak. ice beam is always welcome though, set4 dragons arent about to get in your way.
479 | Togekiss | Adamant | Power Herb | Sky Attack | ExtremeSpeed | Drain Punch | Roost | Atk/SpD
615 | Togekiss | Modest | Scope Lens | Air Slash | Ominous Wind | Silver Wind | AncientPower | HP/SpA
wondrous with serene grace, unusable with hustle
751 | Togekiss | Modest | Wise Glasses | Air Slash | Heat Wave | Signal Beam | Magical Leaf | SpA/Spe
see above. magical leaf takes rhydon and friends to town.
887 | Togekiss | Modest | Expert Belt | Hyper Beam | Air Slash | Aura Sphere | Psychic | SpA/Spe
pretty terrifying with serene grace. hyper beam is pretty nutty, and aura sphere just says no to bullshit. a very no-nonsense pokemon.
360 | Torterra | Adamant | Yache Berry | Earthquake | Grass Knot | Rock Slide | Curse | HP/Atk
torterra's typing is terrible, and its not as fast as stuff like mamoswine so there's no way to get around his awful typing. adamant grass knot? coooooooooooooool
496 | Torterra | Sassy | Leftovers | Giga Drain | Leech Seed | Synthesis | Amnesia | HP/Def/SpD
there are better seeders. why is this sassy?
632 | Torterra | Modest | Lax Incense | Frenzy Plant | Earth Power | Hyper Beam | Leech Seed | Def/SpA
frenzy plant can randomly ko you so be careful
768 | Torterra | Adamant | Quick Claw | Wood Hammer | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Crunch | HP/Atk
i swear to god this thing's qc always triggers. not worth using due to that ass typing. if you want to risk it for the biscuit i guess you can try to wood hammer waters before they ice beam you. maybe that's something you're into.
405 | Toxicroak | Adamant | Black Sludge | Poison Jab | Brick Break | X-Scissor | Knock Off | Atk/Spe
such a fink!!! poison jab teaches lessons. even with no bulk, black sludge helps.
541 | Toxicroak | Adamant | Wide Lens | DynamicPunch | Poison Jab | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Atk/Spe
50/50 control, thats a good strategy NAHT
677 | Toxicroak | Modest | Wise Glasses | Sludge Bomb | Focus Blast | Shadow Ball | Dark Pulse | SpA/Spe
ive never used this, not quite fast enough for thorton and far too frail.
813 | Toxicroak | Adamant | Razor Claw | Gunk Shot | Cross Chop | Earthquake | Stone Edge | Atk/Spe
like many mons, you can do better by this point
355 | Typhlosion | Adamant | Scope Lens | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Shadow Claw | Quick Attack | Atk/Spe
why are your waters taking <50% from thunderpunches? because this is typhlosion.
491 | Typhlosion | Serious | Salac Berry | Blast Burn | Earthquake | Reversal | Endure | Atk/SpA
serious nature, joke set. blazed blast burn can kill a guy though
627 | Typhlosion | Adamant | Shuca Berry | Flare Blitz | Earthquake | Shadow Claw | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
shuca is cool but your flare blitz is just so weak, man!!!!
763 | Typhlosion | Modest | White Herb | Overheat | SolarBeam | Focus Blast | Sunny Day | SpA/Spe
it took typhlosion til set4 to realize something that better fire mons have been doing since set2
482 | Tyranitar | Brave | Focus Band | Rock Slide | Payback | Avalanche | Curse | Atk/SpD
insane special sponge. very good mon for set 1, curse once and finish him. not worth using later, though
618 | Tyranitar | Jolly | Choice Scarf | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | Aerial Ace | Atk/Spe
the original scarftar!!!!!!!!!!! this is honestly the worst. really frustrating when youre playing vs it and it guesses right with a punch that happens to hit the rest of your team super effective.
754 | Tyranitar | Adamant | White Herb | Superpower | Dragon Claw | Shadow Claw | Aqua Tail | Atk/Def
ok i lied, this is the worst. what the fuck were they thinking?
890 | Tyranitar | Adamant | Chople Berry | Stone Edge | Crunch | Earthquake | Dragon Dance | HP/Atk
nice coverage, but this is just far too slow. you need 3 dances to outspeed anything and you'll be dead by then even with chople. this guy can reliably kill a mon but he almost always gets revenged. sorry tyra. you're still the best mon irl.
456 | Umbreon | Careful | Leftovers | Payback | Confuse Ray | Curse | Baton Pass | Def/SpD
likes to use baton pass as its first move. waste of time during wave 1 but if you can somehow snag this in later waves and cursepass to something good, man, this thing would be lovely.
592 | Umbreon | Impish | Leftovers | Toxic | Mean Look | Double Team | Confuse Ray | Def/SpD
what a monster. does nothing to steels and poisons but beats literally everything else.
728 | Umbreon | Impish | Lax Incense | Faint Attack | Swagger | Psych Up | Screech | HP/Def
864 | Umbreon | Impish | Brightpowder | Payback | Trump Card | Curse | Moonlight | Def/SpD
only impeded by moonlight's low pp. why does this thing have trump card? it doesnt make any sense. unstabbed special move with curse/impish??? idgiiiiii
425 | Ursaring | Brave | Focus Sash | Slash | Payback | Avalanche | Counter | HP/Atk
if you proposed using this ring, she would politely decline
561 | Ursaring | Adamant | Life Orb | Hammer Arm | Fire Punch | ThunderPunch | Ice Punch | HP/Atk
needs return like i need this list to be over
697 | Ursaring | Adamant | Toxic Orb | Facade | Superpower | Crunch | Protect | HP/Atk
this thing is very cool. even with quick feet you ohko most stuff with facade, but with guts, oh man. oh MAN.
833 | Ursaring | Adamant | Quick Claw | Return | Cross Chop | Earthquake | Aerial Ace | HP/Atk
undeniably worse than set3.
452 | Vaporeon | Modest | Brightpowder | Surf | Ice Beam | Acid Armor | Baton Pass | HP/SpA
kinda like milotic. cool alongside bros like staraptor.
588 | Vaporeon | Modest | Damp Rock | Hydro Pump | Ice Beam | Acid Armor | Rain Dance | HP/SpA
really weird. still better than fuckers like golduck though
724 | Vaporeon | Modest | Leftovers | Muddy Water | Blizzard | Aqua Ring | Yawn | HP/SpA
why no surf???? yawn with lefties is still good though. beats a rhydon and then yawns the second mon. total cutie.
860 | Vaporeon | Modest | Expert Belt | Surf | Ice Beam | Shadow Ball | Signal Beam | HP/SpA
id rather have yawn support. dont be silly vap, youre not cut out to be a sweeper.
351 | Venusaur | Modest | White Herb | Leaf Storm | Sludge Bomb | Amnesia | Sleep Powder | SpA/SpD
oh man this guy is goodies. leaf storm everyone everywhere. sleep powder if you feel like it, who cares, youre fucking venusaur.
487 | Venusaur | Bold | Big Root | Giga Drain | Ingrain | Leech Seed | Sleep Powder | HP/Def/SpD
probably the best seeder. insane bulk with sleep powder and ingrain makes him plain wonderful.
623 | Venusaur | Adamant | Black Sludge | Seed Bomb | Earthquake | Outrage | Curse | Atk/SpD
surprisingly good, decent typing with curse and sludge and a good stat spread? seed bomb forever. outrage that confident salamence.
759 | Venusaur | Modest | Wise Glasses | Frenzy Plant | Sludge Bomb | Hyper Beam | Synthesis | HP/SpA
2 hyper beams on the same mon? did my 8 year old self devise this set?
377 | Vespiquen | Modest | Scope Lens | Silver Wind | Air Cutter | Ominous Wind | Swagger | Def/SpD
every vespiquen is terrible
513 | Vespiquen | Careful | Persim Berry | X-Scissor | Toxic | Heal Order | Destiny Bond | HP/Def/SpD
beat my physical latias one time, i was mad
649 | Vespiquen | Adamant | Muscle Band | X-Scissor | Aerial Ace | Pursuit | U-turn | HP/Atk
dont be stupid
785 | Vespiquen | Adamant | Shell Bell | Attack Order | Defend Order | Heal Order | Confuse Ray | HP/Atk
ORDER IN THE COURT
385 | Victreebel | Modest | Payapa Berry | Leaf Storm | Sludge Bomb | Sleep Powder | Gastro Acid | HP/SpA
would be ok with white herb, but no.
521 | Victreebel | Adamant | Black Sludge | Seed Bomb | Spit Up | Swallow | Stockpile | HP/Atk
657 | Victreebel | Modest | Power Herb | Sludge Bomb | SolarBeam | Hyper Beam | Synthesis | HP/SpA
'lets take an already shaky concept like sunnybeaming and make it worse'
793 | Victreebel | Modest | Focus Band | SolarBeam | Sludge Bomb | Wring Out | Sunny Day | HP/SpA
victreebel could have been pretty cool, but all its sets are garbage
384 | Vileplume | Modest | Big Root | Giga Drain | Sludge Bomb | Sleep Powder | Ingrain | Def/SpA
survives eqs and puts your fuckers to sleep. total pissant.
520 | Vileplume | Bold | Black Sludge | Toxic | Grass Knot | Double Team | Attract | HP/Def/SpD
certainly a bother, attract forces switches and toxic fucks bitches. golem comes in expecting to stay a while but you let him know hes 'knot' welcome.
656 | Vileplume | Adamant | Lum Berry | Seed Bomb | Drain Punch | Frustration | Swords Dance | Atk/SpD
why couldnt victreebel get swords dance??? FUCKING vileplume
792 | Vileplume | Modest | Wise Glasses | Sludge Bomb | Energy Ball | Hyper Beam | Synthesis | HP/SpA
wish it had leaf storm. does it even learn leaf storm? i dont know anything about vileplume other than that its shrill cry perturbs us all.
428 | Wailord | Modest | Sitrus Berry | Surf | Ice Beam | Attract | Double Team | HP/SpA
annoying since when you earthquake it it takes sooo long for the bar to empty
564 | Wailord | Impish | Chesto Berry | Whirlpool | Toxic | Amnesia | Rest | HP/Def/SpD
700 | Wailord | Adamant | Leftovers | Waterfall | Avalanche | Earthquake | Curse | HP/Atk
curse your parents for raising the blasted fool who would use something like this
836 | Wailord | Modest | Quick Claw | Hydro Pump | Blizzard | Hyper Beam | Fissure | HP/SpA
it's Quentin Charles Fissure III, here to wreck your day.
464 | Walrein | Adamant | Chople Berry | Ice Fang | Aqua Tail | Swagger | Encore | HP/Atk
one of two mons that knows encore. waste of time early game, give it a shot later though if you like encore.
600 | Walrein | Brave | Life Orb | Avalanche | Earthquake | Crunch | Curse | HP/Atk
would be ok with waterfall
736 | Walrein | Bold | Lax Incense | Sheer Cold | Fissure | Rest | Sleep Talk | Def/SpD
sometimes i use this mon just so i know i wont run into it
872 | Walrein | Modest | Leftovers | Surf | Ice Beam | Signal Beam | Hail | HP/SpA
a selcouth wonder. it just kills stuff, i cant explain it!!!!!
440 | Weavile | Adamant | Chople Berry | Night Slash | Ice Punch | Screech | Fake Out | Atk/Spe
weavile sucks. ohkos nothing, is ohkod by everything.
576 | Weavile | Jolly | Brightpowder | Night Slash | Attract | Double Team | Hail | Atk/Spe
see above. attract? double team? hail? how ludic. too bad it's not playtime, it's fucking pokemon.
712 | Weavile | Adamant | Focus Sash | Night Slash | X-Scissor | Metal Claw | Counter | Atk/Spe
not bad at all, i like having this guy for thorton. takes out a mon and a half.
848 | Weavile | Jolly | Razor Claw | Night Slash | Ice Punch | Aerial Ace | Brick Break | Atk/Spe
this will not help you in your quest
398 | Weezing | Bold | Payapa Berry | Sludge Bomb | Dark Pulse | Shock Wave | Grudge | Def/SpA
i think zam psychic still ohkos through payapa, fuck weezing
534 | Weezing | Adamant | Sitrus Berry | Double Hit | Payback | Toxic | Swagger | Atk/Def
double hit? oh, i get it. you have two heads.
670 | Weezing | Sassy | Lax Incense | Sludge Bomb | Thunderbolt | Dark Pulse | Explosion | SpA/SpD
so sassy. lax incense explosion!!!!!!! this can reliably take out 2 mons. what a great guy you are, weezing.
806 | Weezing | Modest | Quick Claw | Sludge Bomb | Flamethrower | Shadow Ball | Destiny Bond | Def/SpA
quick claw destiny bond is infuriating. dont forget about flamethrower.
375 | Whiscash | Modest | Shell Bell | Surf | Earth Power | Icy Wind | Amnesia | HP/SpA
not that bad. surf and earth power are both very good.
511 | Whiscash | Adamant | Persim Berry | Aqua Tail | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Thrash | HP/Atk
this pokemon has thrash because in japanese legends earthquakes are caused by a giant catfish thrashing about!
647 | Whiscash | Modest | Zoom Lens | Hydro Pump | Earth Power | Blizzard | Fissure | HP/SpA
36% fissure aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. this guy is a force to be reckoned with, fucking perfect accuracy hydro pumps. i swear this guy always comes in when you have an amazing mon like zapdos or garchomp or salamence, and he just kills them. like, theres nothing you can do. you lose to fucking whiscash.
783 | Whiscash | Adamant | Muscle Band | Earthquake | Aqua Tail | Zen Headbutt | Stone Edge | HP/Atk
no ice moves, skip it
446 | Yanmega | Timid | Coba Berry | Signal Beam | Air Cutter | Detect | Double Team | SpA/Spe
582 | Yanmega | Adamant | Muscle Band | Aerial Ace | U-turn | Night Slash | Steel Wing | Atk/Spe
718 | Yanmega | Modest | Lum Berry | Silver Wind | AncientPower | Ominous Wind | Giga Drain | SpA/Spe
yanmega does not get better, it seems
854 | Yanmega | Modest | Wise Glasses | Bug Buzz | Air Slash | Psychic | Shadow Ball | SpA/Spe
actually, it does. this thing is a treat. ive only seen it twice, but man, bug buzz. bug fucking buzz.
896 | Zapdos | Serious | Yache Berry | Thunder | Drill Peck | Thunder Wave | Rain Dance | Atk/Spe
what a waste. still somewhat decent maybe, you can usually survive the rain dance turn but no sp atk evs make thunder hit for less than the average tbolt. ugh.
910 | Zapdos | Timid | Focus Band | Thunderbolt | AncientPower | Ominous Wind | Light Screen | SpA/Spe
focus band has won me games. wish it was modest but this guy is still kinda cool.
924 | Zapdos | Jolly | King's Rock | Drill Peck | Twister | Steel Wing | U-turn | Atk/Spe
sometimes i take this just because zapdos has the best cry in the game.
938 | Zapdos | Modest | Brightpowder | Thunderbolt | Air Cutter | Heat Wave | Signal Beam | SpA/Spe
oh man, this guy is great. wish it had air slash but whatever!!! brightpowder to dick everyone around. heat wave is super neat too. perfect typing, one of the better mons for sure.
man, that was arduous. your mileage will totally vary, and the factory has a charming way of making my opinion on most mons labile due to just how random the whole shebang is. i hope my guide helps you on your journey! i realize that i namedrop other mons in my analyses enough to make ctrl+f a bit of a task but whatever!!
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Last edited by Glen; Jul 11th, 2011 at 9:35:46 PM.
|Jul 11th, 2011, 9:20:47 PM||#2|
Fennekin the cutest
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Glen can I just say you're my favorite person at the moment? I couldn't even get past 49 in the factory (I gave up but whatever)
Yeah I'll have to try it again now.
C&C work: 34 done, 2 partly done, finished 4th gen moveset errors
|Jul 18th, 2011, 11:44:48 PM||#3|
have you seen the english deer park?
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goddamn glen youre so fucking good
that was an excellently written article, truly. i have been fiddling with factory on and off since platinum came out and I think that I have a silver symbol...the sheer amount of work put into this is amazing
also it was pretty funny -- you just lost to whiscash. also king's rock infernape.
excellent once again.
|Jul 19th, 2011, 11:26:41 AM||#4|
Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
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This is a very good article. The informality is part of what makes it so great, but it also means it won't go through C&C and will remain in this obscure location, when it deserves much better :/
|Jul 19th, 2011, 11:30:55 AM||#5|
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Very well written, and a good read.
Great job Glen!
|Jul 19th, 2011, 12:33:19 PM||#6|
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Thats a lot of text!
While i'm not a battle tower kind of guy, I can appreciate the amount of work you put into this. What kept me reading was the individual Pokemon descriptions, you did an excellent job summarizing 400+ pokemon. The majority of them were interesting, humorous, amazing or all of them combined.
I'm definitely going to try to tackle the BT now.
|Jul 19th, 2011, 1:42:38 PM||#7|
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if, however, this has a shot at being a serious article i'd be more than happy to redo it with a more mature tone!
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|Jul 19th, 2011, 5:01:47 PM||#8|
Never give up!
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Congrats won´t mean anything to you, because you feel the satisfaction of a superhuman achievment. Noone can take it away from you. You lived and you won.
If there is one person out there who is able to comprehend this epic effort, it´s me. The only difference is, that after taking hundreds of hours to beat the emerald battle factory (see first link in my sig what it made me do), I simply couldn´t find enough will to seriously go for it in plat factory. It wouldn´t have any value anymore. Also being totally helpless in the hands of the randomness that is factory, you know there´s a certain level of masochism in each of us. I´ve pretty much used up mine in emerald. I´m thankful for that experience. I´m sure now you´re able to smile at a kick into your balls, because that pain doesn´t last the hours you need to get back up to 28, only to have a horrible choice of 6 after swapping in each and every single battle before, etc.
If someone asks, why? why all of this ridiculous effort, for some symbol noone cares about? The answer is...a man must do what he must do and beating the odds is manly.
But back to this awesomeness, I found the following comments be highlights for me:
My parting words are
Black & White Battle Subway Records
Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records
DP Battle Tower Records (Smogon's Greatest Hits)
Emerald Battle Frontier Max Stats Pokemon Database
Battle Subway Super Singles record: 623 - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune
|Jul 19th, 2011, 5:29:57 PM||#9|
Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming.
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Just a note: Fissure is still 30%, even with Zoom Lens. OHKO moves are not altered by accuracy / evasion changes.
Reading this made me want to play in the Battle Factory.
Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI.
"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu
|Jul 22nd, 2011, 2:55:40 PM||#10|
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hey thanks nice guide, any chance of doing something similar for lvl 50 (yeah it would take a lot of time...) or at least comparing the difficulty of lvl 50 and lvl 100?
edit: just caught the line in the opening paragraph concerning this... still lvl 50 is interesting to compare once you get past the 3rd set.
NOT a bandwagoner - official Giants fan before 2002, sweet victory finally
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|Jul 24th, 2011, 12:05:48 PM||#11|
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this was a good waste of 45 minutes, nice boy glen . . .
|Jul 25th, 2011, 1:22:27 PM||#12|
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|Jul 30th, 2011, 3:20:07 PM||#13|
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for reference: 'baddies' are mons that dont appear in lv100 factory. 'goodies' are mons that do.
basically up until round 21 (so thorton) you only play vs baddies. however, if you swap a lot, you can have goodies in your opening 6. hold onto them, obviously. thorton himself uses goodies only, it seems. he is incredibly challenging. my win against him was through sheer luck. im told hes opening with megahorn hera, and thankfully im leading with return/drill peck fearow. drill peck for ohko. in comes breloom, which makes me grin. drill peck again, he hangs on with sash, sky uppercuts for like 90%, i kill with drill. he brings in nape. nape kills with fake out. i have set1 bronzong (which, hilariously, was my best sweeper for the first few rounds of wave 3. 100 attack is pretty huge in a sea of smoochums and shit) and a fucking stantler. i bring in zong, trick room hoping he doesnt crit with fire punch (he doesnt), extrasensory for 70%, i get an unneeded flinch, ko next turn.
the two times i faced thorton, all his mons were goodies and set 1. i would assume it's always like that. after beating him, my opening 6 from then on were always goodies (but thats probably because i swapped every time), though for wave 4 you still play vs some baddies, but there are some goodies and they are all set1. at this point i had set1 alakazam vs stuff like tangela, 'oh ok'.
once i hit wave 5 i started running into only goodies, and they are all set2. i got to round 35, and since during the last round of a wave you fight mons with sets from the next wave, i fought/lost to a team of set3 mons (jynx destroyed my team of set3 vire/set2 poliwrath/set2 roserade).
this means that during wave 7 you'll fight set4 mons, which presumably entails thorton2 potentially using legendaries. makes sense.
as for how the opening roster works im really not sure. all i know is i swapped every time for my two streaks and the time i got past thorton, my opening 6 from there on were always goodies of varying sets (but nothing set4, you probably have to reach wave 6 to unlock set4 [assuming you swapped every time] or wave 7). you probably shouldnt swap wantonly after thorton1 though, my wave 4 i opened zam1/gliscor1/dragonite2 and when given the opportunity to swap into seaking/tangela/pelipper i politely declined.
all in all 50 is kinda cool, first couple waves are completely ridiculous (gloom ohkos riolu with mega drain lol) and mons like sableye reign supreme, and you basically need to swap every time to have a chance at beating thorton. third wave you better hope you open some useful goodies in your opening 6, otherwise it's an uphill battle.
i think what's most interesting about the lv50 factory is that the damage calculations are noticeably different due to how wonky (relative to lv100) the stats are. stuff like electivire being ohkod by set1 granbull's return really caught me off guard.
i'll tinker around with lv50 more tomorrow probably
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Last edited by Glen; Jul 30th, 2011 at 11:49:18 PM.
|Jul 31st, 2011, 7:45:21 PM||#14|
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Erry day im HEAD SMASHING
Wow what a boss guide
was glen actually motivated???
Ten million fireflies
|Jul 31st, 2011, 8:17:18 PM||#15|
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ROFL ROFL ROFL
Glen, do I have your permission to attempt to go through the post, and "amateur check it," as GP would say?
oh dear [sigpic] broke
|Jul 31st, 2011, 9:03:15 PM||#16|
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Erry day im HEAD SMASHING
see you in a few weeks
Ten million fireflies
|Jul 31st, 2011, 9:24:42 PM||#17|
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ROFL ROFL ROFL
I'd still like Glen's approval, though.
oh dear [sigpic] broke
|Aug 2nd, 2011, 2:35:42 AM||#18|
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This is incredible Glen, Jesus is looking at you saying this is the greatest sacrifice in Human history, and I have to agree.
Seriously though it is so helpful, and the humor made the article great
"Everyone should strive to be different" the irony in this is hilarious.
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|Aug 3rd, 2011, 6:50:30 PM||#19|
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im glad you guys enjoy it. i know not many people are into the factory but i had a ton of fun writing it, and i'll certainly do a 5th gen one (assuming grey or whatever has the frontier) much sooner in its life than this one
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|Aug 3rd, 2011, 7:46:47 PM||#20|
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yea, this is a great guide, Glen. Battle Factory is also my fave, since I can start playing on the Frontier without the bother of raising mons. It's definitely a hit-or-miss, but your guide helps optimize the chance of success.
Great reference to say the least!
|Aug 4th, 2011, 12:03:03 PM||#21|
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thanks for the guide glen, it got me to thorton. Where his lucario critted me three times in a row, ugh
|Aug 12th, 2011, 9:01:16 PM||#22|
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This has actually been the most helpful guide ever! I got the best team at the end of Wave 3 for Thornton
Lucario4, Gyarados3, Meganium2
|Dec 6th, 2011, 5:37:35 AM||#23|
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i am a rock
|Dec 6th, 2011, 4:07:02 PM||#24|
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