(Programming) Synergy Pokédex

mispy · Mar 31st, 2011, 9:27:31 PM

Not sure how useful this will prove to anyone, but I made a kind of Synergy Pokédex that attempts to quantify and tabulate defensive type synergy relationships between Pokémon (accounting for abilities). Ideas for improvements or similar projects would be welcome :)

supermarth64 · Apr 1st, 2011, 1:03:57 AM

Interesting. However, I'm curious as to know how you come up with the percentages. For example, how come Lucario, who resists Ghost and 4x resists Dark for Mismagius, gets 125% with them but with Lati@s, it 4x resists Bug, resists Ghost, resists Ice, resists Dragon, and 4x resists Dark only gets 120%. Shouldn't more resistances give a higher percentage?

mispy · Apr 1st, 2011, 1:36:58 AM

I was worried that someone might find that counterintuitive, yeah :/ Currently the score is defined as "single resist to all target's weaknesses => 100%". So Lucario gets a slightly higher score for defending Mismagius because it 4x resists a greater proportion of Mismagius' weaknesses compared to the Lati@s (1/2 instead of 2/5).

NC · Apr 1st, 2011, 3:38:50 AM

This is very cool! I could see it being a great asset for team-building. One suggestion I have is to possibly allow for more than one input pokemon (say I wanted to see which pokemon works best type-wise with skarmory AND blissey). That and possibly a filter system for results beyond just NFE, although that could be complicated as to what categories to include. It already is very good just as-is though, great work.

mispy · Apr 1st, 2011, 2:20:03 PM

Thanks! ^^ I've added options for filtering by generation and tier. The latter I pulled from Smogon's damage calculator, so it won't stay current. I don't suppose anyone's made a JSON API since the last person asked?

I did notice the potential to derive something like an improvement on Marriland's team builder from this. I suspect I'd have to translate a fair bit of the code into JavaScript though, since the server-side computation is fairly intensive and caching would be less effective with lots of different team combinations. I'll add it to my list! :D

MewMaster · Apr 1st, 2011, 3:11:31 PM

This is very good. It will help me a LOT whilst making my first Gen V team. Great work.

Tomahawk9 · Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:44:16 AM

This is pretty awesome.

Two things though: Rotom-A's typing in Gen IV is Electric/Ghost, and Lightning Rod/Storm Drain does not power up in Gen IV.

More Cowbell · Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:59:57 AM

Pretty sweet bro! Good job on making this :)

**PK Gaming** · Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:09:38 AM

This is really cool, you even have gen V pokemon! Good job.

Edit: The pictures are a nice touch. This must have taken ages to complete!

mispy · Apr 2nd, 2011, 2:53:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Tomahawk9

Two things though: Rotom-A's typing in Gen IV is Electric/Ghost, and Lightning Rod/Storm Drain does not power up in Gen IV.

Right you are. Fixed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat PK Gaming

Edit: The pictures are a nice touch. This must have taken ages to complete!

I think I spent most of the time just trying different approaches to optimization. >.< Still not entirely satisfied with it (it takes almost a second to calculate each synergy map).

GeorgeSlayer · Apr 2nd, 2011, 2:58:55 PM

I can surely see me using this in the future, you seem to have made a very good job. And it will only get better if you implement some of the changes proposed in this thread.

WillSO · Apr 20th, 2011, 2:04:46 PM

Very nice little applet.
There a way I can get this offline?

TammiGo · May 10th, 2011, 10:56:17 AM

This is amazing!! Great job, this'll help a lot :D

Es.Rayky · Jun 1st, 2011, 10:49:06 PM

bookmarked. I was searching for this. Just thank you.

Luxpluff91 · Jun 2nd, 2011, 6:10:26 PM

Brilliant! Added to favorites :]

Pombo · Jun 2nd, 2011, 7:46:06 PM

Thats really awesome, and can be incredibly useful. Luvdiscs for you!

Lady Salamence · Jun 2nd, 2011, 8:19:49 PM

I've been using this for a while, and I absolutely love it. It's been bookmarked on my computer.

Focus · Jun 3rd, 2011, 3:29:48 AM

Great job! That app is really insightful. Just a nitpick:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat mien

Confirmed Lightningrod now grants immunity to Electric attacks, including Thunder Wave, as well as a SpAttk boost upon being hit with an Electric move. Ground-types with Lightningrod do not get a SpAttk boost from being hit with an Electric attack; type immunity takes precedence. (howabe)

The app currently says that Lightningrod Marowak, etc. "Powers Up with Electric", which is false in all but extremely unusual circumstances.

.I Wish You Well. · Jun 24th, 2011, 5:49:10 AM

Just posting to say that this is one of the most useful tools i've used here at my short time at smogon, thanks a lot.

sax king · Jun 24th, 2011, 8:58:33 AM

Yeah, seriously. Why has no one made this before? This is the best thing on Smogon right now.

GreenWater10 · Jun 24th, 2011, 3:31:41 PM

This is awesome. I even put it onto my favorites. It must've taken you a long time to do it.

Brammi · Jun 24th, 2011, 11:32:54 PM

Just found this. been playing around with it. It is truly a wonderful thing.

Gerard · Jul 1st, 2011, 4:53:08 PM

Really, interesting, but shedinja should at least be counted as immune to almost everything since well, it is, not to ressist ground or bug, but to be immune to dragon water, etc..., still nice job, something to consider when creating defensive cores

Some Person · Jul 18th, 2011, 11:00:10 PM

I like this little calculator (it's been quite helpful in my team building), but I've had a bit of an... issue with this calculator: I've found that the calculator treats the three event legendaries as UU. If possible, can you fix this issue? Also, it would be nice if you made a filter for Pokemon allowed in RU.

firecape · Jul 19th, 2011, 12:06:39 PM

The user who posted this has not been on since April 7th, and therefore these posts requesting changes are pointless.

Mispy, if you do return, and want this to be reopened, PM me or another mod and it will be.

Mar 31st, 2011, 9:27:31 PM	#1
mispy Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 5	Synergy Pokédex Not sure how useful this will prove to anyone, but I made a kind of Synergy Pokédex that attempts to quantify and tabulate defensive type synergy relationships between Pokémon (accounting for abilities). Ideas for improvements or similar projects would be welcome :)

Apr 1st, 2011, 3:38:50 AM	#4
NC Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,424 Michigan	This is very cool! I could see it being a great asset for team-building. One suggestion I have is to possibly allow for more than one input pokemon (say I wanted to see which pokemon works best type-wise with skarmory AND blissey). That and possibly a filter system for results beyond just NFE, although that could be complicated as to what categories to include. It already is very good just as-is though, great work. __________________ Trade Thread

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Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:44:16 AM	#7
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Apr 2nd, 2011, 10:09:38 AM	#9
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,520 Izanagi	This is really cool, you even have gen V pokemon! Good job. Edit: The pictures are a nice touch. This must have taken ages to complete! __________________

Apr 1st, 2011, 1:36:58 AM	#3
mispy Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 5	I was worried that someone might find that counterintuitive, yeah :/ Currently the score is defined as "single resist to all target's weaknesses => 100%". So Lucario gets a slightly higher score for defending Mismagius because it 4x resists a greater proportion of Mismagius' weaknesses compared to the Lati@s (1/2 instead of 2/5).

Apr 1st, 2011, 2:20:03 PM	#5
mispy Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 5	Thanks! ^^ I've added options for filtering by generation and tier. The latter I pulled from Smogon's damage calculator, so it won't stay current. I don't suppose anyone's made a JSON API since the last person asked? I did notice the potential to derive something like an improvement on Marriland's team builder from this. I suspect I'd have to translate a fair bit of the code into JavaScript though, since the server-side computation is fairly intensive and caching would be less effective with lots of different team combinations. I'll add it to my list! :D

Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:59:57 AM	#8
More Cowbell Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,057 Singing of the freedom of utopic space	Pretty sweet bro! Good job on making this :)

Apr 2nd, 2011, 2:58:55 PM	#11
GeorgeSlayer Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 61 Greece	I can surely see me using this in the future, you seem to have made a very good job. And it will only get better if you implement some of the changes proposed in this thread.

Apr 20th, 2011, 2:04:46 PM	#12
WillSO Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 99	Very nice little applet. There a way I can get this offline?

May 10th, 2011, 10:56:17 AM	#13
TammiGo Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 128 Near Amsterdamned :P	This is amazing!! Great job, this'll help a lot :D

Jun 1st, 2011, 10:49:06 PM	#14
Es.Rayky Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 59 Vietnam	bookmarked. I was searching for this. Just thank you.

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Jun 24th, 2011, 5:49:10 AM	#19
.I Wish You Well. Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 204 Don't smile like you know me	Just posting to say that this is one of the most useful tools i've used here at my short time at smogon, thanks a lot.

Jun 24th, 2011, 8:58:33 AM	#20
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Jul 1st, 2011, 4:53:08 PM	#23
Gerard Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,983 Mmm... Ice Cream!	Really, interesting, but shedinja should at least be counted as immune to almost everything since well, it is, not to ressist ground or bug, but to be immune to dragon water, etc..., still nice job, something to consider when creating defensive cores

Jul 18th, 2011, 11:00:10 PM	#24
Some Person Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 63 Training to my death.	I like this little calculator (it's been quite helpful in my team building), but I've had a bit of an... issue with this calculator: I've found that the calculator treats the three event legendaries as UU. If possible, can you fix this issue? Also, it would be nice if you made a filter for Pokemon allowed in RU.

Jul 19th, 2011, 12:06:39 PM	#25
firecape This is the end... Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,048 This storys old, but it goes on and on until we disappear	The user who posted this has not been on since April 7th, and therefore these posts requesting changes are pointless. Mispy, if you do return, and want this to be reopened, PM me or another mod and it will be. __________________ I DONT DESERVE YOU