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Sep 14th, 2011, 4:41:13 PM
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Sep 14th, 2011, 4:57:58 PM
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As for your 2 questions posted on Policy Review:
1 - Go with A - as Oglemi stated, May and June are rather outdated, thus your stats is more informative; don't discard it. Secondly, it's been 3+ months since the last tier change; UU and RU is ready for an update. We cannot wait for an additional 2 months for the tier change. 2 - Personally your "Full Teams Only" seems more "reasonable" than the original method, but seeing how it represents only 55% of the battles the data may be even more skewed. I am liking Maestro's method, since it does take into account May and June's stats, but if the data collection method is drastically different between Rising Dusk's method vs your method, then combining the three results may be inappropriate. If Maestro's method is sound, I'd go with Maestro's Method. If it isn't, I'll go with your original method, since it represents a greater bulk of battles than the full-team method. |
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Sep 14th, 2011, 5:13:04 PM
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Nng... You're either cutting out some or all of the Pokemon of a team that doesn't send out all their Pokemon. In a battle that runs to completion, that can only be the winner's team... Either pivots and leads are artificially inflated, Pokemon that aren't leads or pivots are artificially deflated, or winners, especially landslide winners, aren't always counted. They're all poor options, and I'd say it's for that reason that in particular, ignoring teams that don't send out all their Pokemon, while looking good on paper, is an option best tossed out now.
Out of what remains, there's one point I've seen made several times that makes a lot of sense. Pokemon not used in a battle, even if it's because they're on the winning team, aren't affecting battles in that tier as much as ones that are. For this reason, the first version of the stats may well be the best. However, it changes the expected percentages; it's not really compatible with previous months' stats, and it may require a change in the OU cutoff, especially if it's kept for future months. If the intention is to adopt one of these methods permanently, I feel that the best option is to go with the first, which ignores Pokemon that don't take part in battle, while discarding the previous months' stats due to the time difference and perhaps lowering the OU cutoff in consideration of the change. Could be done by changing the numbers involved, could be done with the crude adjustment to make the totals add up to 600%, or it could just be left as is with the knowledge of the changed expectations of OU. |
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Sep 14th, 2011, 5:24:07 PM
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Dont want to waste your time, but have you tried a light version of your "full-team" approach? Maybe account teams that have at least 5 or 4 Pokemon active rather than 6? This may provide the best of both worlds - like your original method, it would represent a larger bulk of the teams played, while retaining the "reasonableness" of the "full-team" results. Full-team was a bit on the extreme end anyways.
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Sep 14th, 2011, 5:44:11 PM
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 This is a graph of pokemon used per battle (after taking out battles forfeited before the sixth turn). As you can see, it's heavily skewed towards the 11-12 end, with almost 60% of battles containing at least 11 pokemon (meaning ALL teams are guaranteed to have at least five pokemon out). Battles with fewer than eight pokemon account for less than 20% of all battles (or so I'm guesstimating). Their impact on the stats is even LESS significant, since each POKEMON is weighted evenly. So the "original method" is already basically what you're saying. Still, I'd be more than happy to run it and see what changes. Still, if you're curious...
Teams with four or more pokemon
Edit: by inspection, I've found a few transpositions (Infernape and Starmie; Forretress and Ninetales), but by and large, everything is where it should be, and within fractions of percents from each other. The OU/UU cutoff is in the exact same place. Edit 2: oh, ha! It looks like I never published the August OU stats for Maestro's method, all teams. You can, of course, derive it yourself from the "original method" stats, but here it is, for your convenience:
Maestro's Method
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Sep 14th, 2011, 5:50:06 PM
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Sep 14th, 2011, 5:55:42 PM
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Sep 14th, 2011, 7:04:15 PM
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Not Scizor, unless he gets a burn that is....
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Sep 14th, 2011, 7:10:34 PM
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Well all that UU Swampert stuff was nonsense it seems.
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Sep 15th, 2011, 12:01:53 AM
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Can't Wait to see who made the UU and RU cut off with the new method of measuring pokemon usage now. *Crosses fingers for Venemoth being UU"
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Sep 15th, 2011, 6:28:35 AM
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Gastrodon switches in: Rotom-W used hydro pump / volt switch, Gastrodon absorbs water / is immune. Total stop, as now it has to switch and your opponent loses his momentum. Last edited by Scarfwynaut; Sep 15th, 2011 at 7:33:59 PM. |
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Sep 15th, 2011, 7:20:49 AM
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I'm probably missing something here, but the latest PO client shows both teams at the start of a log, so wouldn't that remove the issue of only recording the pokemon that were sent out?
Thanks for your effort in bringing us stats btw! |
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Sep 15th, 2011, 7:43:40 AM
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Sep 15th, 2011, 9:59:24 AM
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Sep 15th, 2011, 3:19:05 PM
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Antar, are there any other pokemon like gastrodon that, no matter which method of counting you choose, whether it be 'my method', or counting full teams, or normalized counting the teams who reveal 4 or more pokes, will undoubtedly be moving tiers? Perhaps you should mention in the Policy Review thread the option to freeze the pokemon on the borderline of their tier (Hippo & co.) and only move the ones that will definitely be moving. One could argue that the stats aren't precise or accurate enough to be able to declare a close call in either direction, so it's safer to not change.
However, of course there's the argument that the tiers are getting stale (so movement might be for the better), and that they are contracting (so any borderline movement would allow pokes to be used in more tiers and not less), but it might be worth bringing up. |
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Sep 15th, 2011, 3:31:13 PM
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So, out of curiousity since I've seen a bunch of people talking about who would fall from OU to UU based on all the methods that have been tested over the past few days, has anyone bothered to look at who would be falling from UU to RU based on any or all of them?
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Sep 15th, 2011, 4:40:49 PM
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[Edit: let's see... Sigilyph... Xatu...]
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Sep 15th, 2011, 4:45:59 PM
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Sep 15th, 2011, 4:57:44 PM
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Sep 15th, 2011, 5:04:15 PM
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Maestro, Aerodactyl, Charizard, Sawsbuck, Sigilyph, Spiritomb, Victreebel, and Xatu are headed to RU. Last edited by Avira; Sep 15th, 2011 at 9:14:40 PM. |
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Sep 15th, 2011, 8:27:32 PM
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How can E-Vire, Feraligatr, Sceptile, Bouffalant and others be NU... It doesn't make sense.
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Sep 15th, 2011, 9:14:31 PM
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Electivire: RU Sceptile: UU Feraligatr hat a lot of stiff competition these days, and Bouffalant is slow as molasses.
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Sep 15th, 2011, 9:30:12 PM
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Sep 15th, 2011, 9:40:13 PM
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The UU itself feels like gen 4 OU, meaning OU AND UU meta both evolved into stronger, faster, etccc |
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