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Old Aug 25th, 2011, 5:31:54 PM   #1
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This should be a pretty complete list, but please do post if you feel I need to add anything. Remember that these stats are at level 50.

Speed Stat | Pokemon | Base Speed | Nature | Boost | EVs

Tier 0 (+Speed Base 130s and Greater)
356 | Jumpluff | 110 | +Spe | +2 | 252
308 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | +2 | 252
300 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | +2 | 252
294 | Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | +2 | 252
290 | Shiftry, Venusaur | 80 | +Spe | +2 | 252
280 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | +2 | 252
274 | Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | +2 | 252
268 | Ludicolo, Cloyster | 70 | +Spe | +2 | 252
264 | Shiftry, Venusaur, Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | +2 | 252
264 | Terrakion | 108 | +Spe | +1 | 252
253 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | +1 | 252
250 | Typhlosion | 100 | +Spe | +1 | 252
244 | Ludicolo, Cloyster | 70 | Neutral | +2 | 252
223 | Haxorus | 97 | +Spe | +1 | 252
220 | Darmanitan, Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | +1 | 252
217 | Chandelure, Togekiss | 80 | +Spe | +1 | 252
208 | Smeargle | 75 | +Spe | +1 | 252
205 | Heracross | 85 | Neutral | +1 | 252
201 | Metagross, Politoed | 70 | +Spe | +1 | 252
200 | Aerodactyl, Crobat, Jolteon | 130 | +Spe | 0 | 252

Tier 1 (Neutral Base 90s to +1 Neutral Base 80s)
198 | Chandelure, Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | +1 | 252
194 | Swellow, Weavile | 125 | +Spe | 0 | 252
189 | Alakazam, Dugtrio | 120 | +Spe | 0 | 252
184 | Jellicent, Abomasnow | 60 | +Spe | +1 | 252
184 | Carracosta | 32 | +Spe | +2 | 252
184 | Whimsicott | 116 | +Spe | 0 | 252
183 | Azelf, Starmie, Raikou | 115 | +Spe | 0 | 252
179 | Thundurus, Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | 0 | 252
178 | Archeops, Espeon, Latias, Latios, Gengar | 110 | +Spe | 0 | 252
176 | Infernape, Terrakion, Virizion | 108 | +Spe | 0 | 252
173 | Liepard | 106 | +Spe | 0 | 252
172 | Manectric, Mienshao, Zoroark | 105 | +Spe | 0 | 252
169 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | 0 | 252
168 | Landorus | 101 | +Spe | 0 | 252
167 | Salamence, Zapdos, Volcarona, Staraptor, Charizard | 100 | +Spe | 0 | 252
153 | Landorus | 101 | Neutral | 0 | 252
156 | Porygon-Z, Lucario | 90 | +Spe | 0 | 252
152 | Ninetales, Staraptor, Salamence, Volcarona, Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | 0 | 252
150 | Hydreigon | 98 | Neutral | 0 | 252
149 | Haxorus | 97 | Neutral | 0 | 252
147 | Arcanine, Darmanitan, Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | 0 | 252
144 | Krookodile | 92 | Neutral | 0 | 252
142 | Lucario | 90 | Neutral | 0 | 252

Tier 2 (Neutral Base 70s to Neutral Base 88s)
140 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | 0 | 252
139 | Smeargle | 75 | +Spe | 0 | 252
138 | Rotom-A | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 252
137 | Kingdra, Toxicroak | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 252
132 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur, Chandelure, Stoutland, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 252
129 | Heatran | 77 | Neutral | 0 | 252
127 | Absol | 75 | Neutral | 0 | 252
123 | Honchkrow | 71 | Neutral | 0 | 252
122 | Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Politoed, Metagross, Cloyster | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 252
107 | Ursaring | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 252
106 | Rotom-A | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 0
105 | Cresselia, Suicune | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 0
101 | Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 0 | 0
100 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur, Chandelure, Stoutland, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 0
92 | Shedinja | 40 | Neutral | 0 | 252
92 | Carracosta | 32 | +Spe | 0 | 252
90 | Breloom, Hitmontop, Metagross, Politoed | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 0

Tier 3 (Minimum Base 60s to Neutral Base 65s)
85 | Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 0 | 0
81 | Cresselia, Heracross | 85 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
80 | Porygon2, Empoleon, Jellicent, Lapras | 60 | Neutral | 0 | 0
78 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral | 0 | 0
75 | Blissey, Golurk | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 0
73 | Heatran | 77 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
76 | Chandelure | 80 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
70 | Eelektross | 50 | Neutral | 0 | 0
67 | Metagross, Politoed | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
65 | Conkeldurr | 45 | Neutral | 0 | 0
59 | Gastrodon | 39 | Neutral | 0 | 0
59 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
58 | Abomasnow, Jellicent, Rampardos | 60 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0

Tier 4 (Minimum Base 58s and Below)
56 | Scrafty | 58 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
54 | Ursaring, Machamp, Golurk | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
49 | Eelektross, Hariyama | 50 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
47 | Ninetales | 100 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
46 | Carracosta | 32 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
46 | Hippowdon | 47 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
45 | Conkeldurr, Dusknoir | 45 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
40 | Rhyperior | 40 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
36 | Golurk | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | -1
34 | Bronzong | 33 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
33 | Politoed | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
31 | Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Parasect, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Slowking, Snorlax | 30 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
30 | Musharna | 29 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
29 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
29 | Abomasnow | 60 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
27 | Gigalith, Dusclops | 25 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
23 | Hippowdon | 47 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
22 | Ferrothorn, Escavalier | 20 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
9 | Shuckle | 5 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
6 | Whimsicott (level 1) | 116 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
5 | Smeargle (level 1) | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
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356 / Jumpluff / 110 / +Spe / 252 / +2

294 / Yanmega / 95 / Neutral / 252 / +2

264 / Terrakion / 108 / +Spe / 252 / +1

264 / Blaziken / 80 / Neutral / 252 / +2

223 / Haxorus / 97 / Neutral / 252 / +1

217 / Chandelure, Togekiss / 80 / +Spe / 252 / +1

189 / Alakazam / 120 / +Spe / 252 / 0

184 / Carracosta / 32 / +Spe / 252 / +2

183 / Raikou / 115 / +Spe / 252 / 0

178 / Gengar / 110 / +Spe / 252 / 0

173 / Liepard / 106 / +Spe / 252 / 0

172 / Manectric / 105 / +Spe / 252 / 0

168 / Landorus / 101 / +Spe / 252 / 0

167 / Raikou / 115 / Neutral / 252 / 0

167 / Salamence, Zapdos, Volcarona, Staraptor, Charizard / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0

165 / Hydreigon / 98 / +Spe / 252 / 0

163 / Haxorus / 97 / +Spe / 252 / 0

156 / Poygon-Z, Lucario, Kangaskhan / 90 / +Spe / 252 / 0

132 / Medicham / 80 / Neutral / 252 / 0

92 / Carracosta / 32 / +Spe / 252 / 0

80 / Porygon2, Empoleon, Jellicent, Lapras / 60 / Neutral / 0 / 0

73 / Heatran / 77 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

65 / Conkeldurr / 45 / Neutral / 0

58 / Abomasnow, Jellicent, Rampardos / 60 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

54 / Machamp / 55 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

52 / Carracosta / 32 / Neutral / 0 / 0

46 / Hippowdon / 47 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

45 / Conkeldurr / 45 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

31 / Cofagrigus, Parasect / 30 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

6 / Whimsicott / 116 / -Spe, 0 IV / 0 / 0

-spe cresselia and heracross should be on the same line, neutral natured smeargle doesn't exist, and anytime there is a -Spe, add 0 IV next to it
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16:53 JRank how come no +spe weather abusers
16:53 JRank excadrill/ludi/kingdra
16:53 JRank etc
16:53 JRank i know they don't run it very much
16:54 JRank but it'd be nice to know
16:56 cosmicexplorer they don't ever run it ever
16:56 JRank but they might
16:56 JRank and then you don't know what it hits
16:56 cosmicexplorer ever
16:56 JRank gg
16:56 cosmicexplorer i'll add it
16:57 cosmicexplorer but i want to note
16:57 cosmicexplorer that they don't ever run it ever
16:57 cosmicexplorer would you run it
16:57 JRank depends
16:57 JRank i might run
16:57 JRank +spe ludi
16:57 JRank to outspeed kingdra
16:57 JRank when facing other weathers
16:58 JRank *rain teams
16:58 cosmicexplorer MEH
16:58 cosmicexplorer that's a good point
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Assume an IV of 0 when there is a hindering nature.
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anytime there is a -Spe, add 0 IV next to it
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Added.

EDIT: Man I had like 3/4 of the ones you added already on there but I removed them because I thought they weren't common enough x.x
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also got rid of random speed scrafty, it didnt even outspeed base 70s

Speed Stat | Pokemon | Base Speed | Nature | Boost | EVs

Tier 0 (+Speed Base 130s and Greater)
256 | Jumpluff | 110 | +Spe | +2 | 252
308 | Excadrill | 88 | +Spe | +2 | 252
300 | Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | +2 | 252
294 | Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | +2 | 252
290 | Shiftry, Venusaur | 80 | +Spe | +2 | 252
280 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | +2 | 252
274 | Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | +2 | 252
268 | Ludicolo | 70 | +Spe | +2 | 252
264 | Shiftry, Venusaur, Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | +2 | 252
264 | Terrakion | 108 | +Spe | +1 | 252
253 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | +1 | 252
250 | Typhlosion | 100 | +Spe | +1 | 252
244 | Ludicolo | 70 | Neutral | +2 | 252
223 | Haxorus | 97 | +Spe | +1 | 252
220 | Darmanitan, Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | +1 | 252
217 | Chandelure, Togekiss | 80 | +Spe | +1 | 252
208 | Smeargle | 75 | +Spe | +1 | 252
205 | Heracross | 85 | Neutral | +1 | 252
201 | Metagross, Politoed | 70 | +Spe | +1 | 252
200 | Aerodactyl, Crobat, Jolteon | 130 | +Spe | 0 | 252

Tier 1 (Neutral Base 90s to +1 Neutral Base 80s)
198 | Chandelure, Blaziken | 80 | Neutral | +1 | 252
194 | Swellow, Weavile | 125 | +Spe | 0 | 252
189 | Alakazam, Dugtrio | 120 | +Spe | 0 | 252
184 | Jellicent, Abomasnow | 60 | +Spe | +1 | 252
184 | Carracosta | 32 | +Spe | +2 | 252
184 | Whimsicott | 116 | +Spe | 0 | 252
183 | Azelf, Starmie, Raikou | 115 | +Spe | 0 | 252
179 | Thundurus, Tornadus | 111 | +Spe | 0 | 252
178 | Archeops, Espeon, Latias, Latios, Gengar | 110 | +Spe | 0 | 252
176 | Infernape, Terrakion, Virizion | 108 | +Spe | 0 | 252
173 | Liepard | 106 | +Spe | 0 | 252
172 | Manectric, Mienshao | 105 | +Spe | 0 | 252
169 | Garchomp | 102 | +Spe | 0 | 252
168 | Landorus | 101 | +Spe | 0 | 252
168 | Hydreigon | 98 | +Spe | 252 | 0
167 | Salamence, Zapdos, Volcarona, Staraptor, Charizard | 100 | +Spe | 0 | 252
153 | Landorus | 101 | Neutral | 0 | 252
156 | Porygon-Z, Lucario | 90 | +Spe | 0 | 252
152 | Ninetales, Staraptor, Salamence, Volcarona, Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | 0 | 252
150 | Hydreigon | 98 | Neutral | 0 | 252
149 | Haxorus | 97 | Neutral | 0 | 252
147 | Arcanine, Darmanitan, Yanmega | 95 | Neutral | 0 | 252
144 | Krookodile | 92 | Neutral | 0 | 252
142 | Lucario | 90 | Neutral | 0 | 252

Tier 2 (Neutral Base 70s to Neutral Base 89s)
140 | Excadrill | 88 | Neutral | 0 | 252
139 | Smeargle | 75 | +Spe | 0 | 252
138 | Rotom-A | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 252
137 | Kingdra, Toxicroak | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 252
132 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 252
129 | Heatran | 77 | Neutral | 0 | 252
127 | Absol | 75 | Neutral | 0 | 252
123 | Honchkrow | 71 | Neutral | 0 | 252
122 | Hitmontop, Ludicolo, Politoed, Metagross | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 252
107 | Ursaring | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 252
106 | Rotom-A | 86 | Neutral | 0 | 0
105 | Cresselia, Suicune | 85 | Neutral | 0 | 0
101 | Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 0 | 0
100 | Chandelure, Mamoswine, Stoutland, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 0
92 | Shedinja | 40 | Neutral | 0 | 252
90 | Breloom, Hitmontop, Metagross, Politoed | 70 | Neutral | 0 | 0

Tier 3 (Minimum Base 60s to Neutral Base 69s)
85 | Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 0 | 0
81 | Cresselia, Heracross | 85 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
80 | Porygon2, Empoleon, Jellicent, Lapras | 60 | Neutral | 0 | 0
78 | Scrafty | 58 | Neutral | 0 | 0
75 | Blissey | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 0
73 | Heatran | 77 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
76 | Chandelure | 80 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
67 | Metagross, Politoed | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
65 | Conkeldurr | 45 | Neutral | 0 | 0
59 | Gastrodon | 39 | Neutral | 0 | 0
59 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
58 | Abomasnow, Jellicent, Rampardos | 60 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0

Tier 4 (Minimum Base 59s and Below)
56 | Scrafty | 58 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
54 | Ursaring, Machamp | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
52 | Carracosta | 32 | Neutral | 0 | 0
49 | Hariyama | 50 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
47 | Ninetales | 100 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
46 | Hippowdon | 47 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
45 | Conkeldurr | 45 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
40 | Rhyperior | 40 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
34 | Bronzong | 33 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
33 | Politoed | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
31 | Amoonguss, Cofagrigus, Parasect, Reuniclus, Slowbro, Slowking, Snorlax | 30 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
30 | Musharna | 29 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
29 | Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
29 | Abomasnow | 60 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
27 | Gigalith, Dusclops | 25 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
23 | Hippowdon | 47 | -Spe, 0 IV | -2 | 0
22 | Ferrothorn, Escavalier | 20 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
9 | Shuckle | 5 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
6 | Whimsicott (level 1) | 116 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
5 | Smeargle (level 1) | 70 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
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75 | Golurk | 55 | Neutral | 0 | 0

54 | Golurk | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0

36 | Golurk | 55 | -Spe, 0 IV | -1 | 0

edit: also Bisharp to neutral 252 base 70s group,

70 | Eelektross | 50 | Neutral | 0 | 0

49 | Eelektross | 50 | -Spe, 0 IV | 0 | 0
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Added, also added Cloyster and Machamp.
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168 | Hydreigon | 98 | +Spe | 252 | 0


[10:57am] <muffinhead> solace
[10:57am] <muffinhead> i have discovered that i am the blorpahorp
[10:57am] <Solace> are you really the blorpahorp
[10:57am] <muffinhead> and typoed hydreigon's speed stat
[10:57am] <Solace> NO
[10:57am] <muffinhead> its 165
[10:57am] <Solace> okay
[10:57am] <muffinhead> not 168

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132 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur, Chandelure, Stoutland, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 252

100 | Blaziken, Dragonite, Mamoswine, Medicham, Shiftry, Venusaur, Chandelure, Stoutland, Togekiss | 80 | Neutral | 0 | 0


these should replace the current ones (i merged them)
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