Official(!) Smogon University PO Stats -- September 2011 - Page 2

Olijolly · Oct 2nd, 2011, 6:59:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat lordkira

Garchomp is quite high in usage in UBERS.
I do feel like it's a good UBER mon with more slower dragons and all just going around.
However, I'm not quite sure why so many are using the SD set (by PO stats, it's the most used chomp variant).
I'd assume it's not too great in UBERS...am I wrong or...?

Not sure. I see a lot of SDChomps and I wasn't too sure of this myself.
I'd assume scarf set is great but don't know jackshit about the SD set or if it's worthy of being the 14th most used/top uber mon.

Godsend · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:01:19 PM

I. Can not. WAIT. For the tiers to be updated. UU is going to be crazy.

***Antar**** · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:16:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Snunch

UU stats look way off.

| 30 | Hippopotas | 3074 | 7.044% |

| 41 | Stoutland | 2140 | 4.904% |

Nobody uses hippo without stoutland. This shows how bad the fluctuation is and, while I'm amazed, impressed, etc. that you took the time to compile these, I wouldn't trust these stats to determine any tiers.

There's an easy way to look into this, what I call the "full team method." I'll post what I find.

Boorego · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:25:25 PM

Nice to see mew usage rising... only .2 more percent and you are OU mew :). Suprised to see that mamswine didn't make the cut considering how much he rose in useage the last couple months and all of the thinks like thundurus and dragonite everywhere. The uu dropoffs look intreseting to say the least most of them look like they are gonna fit in that tier just fine.

Avira · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:30:12 PM

Hmmm .... Mew still isn't OU? Damn it. This thing is good and needs to make the cutoff next time.

Spenstar · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:40:45 PM

Darmanitan... UU... what the fuck! This guy RAPES on my sun team. Just RAPES.

Chandelure I can understand, he's like E-vire if E-vire was portrayed sympathetically. I gotta say I knew he'd underwhelm back when he was all the hype. And now... just wait until Shadow Tag, guys. He'll be back...

Hippo... I'm surprised. He's a good wall and great sandstream user with reliable recovery. Sorry dude, we wish you well in UU. And by that I mean we want you banned there.

One last thing. Why isnt Blaziken used more in Ubers?! He rapes shit up down there. Blaziken is freaking amazing in Ubers, he's underrated as shit.

lordkira · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:46:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Olijolly

Not sure. I see a lot of SDChomps and I wasn't too sure of this myself.
I'd assume scarf set is great but don't know jackshit about the SD set or if it's worthy of being the 14th most used/top uber mon.

i've fought a few good SS UBER teams with Sub+SDChomps and they were bitches to fight off.

fatsnorlax · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:54:57 PM

Comments on stats:

Uber:
-Kyogre is number one, not a surpirse.
-Arceus broke into the top 5... we all know it deserves that.
-Free set-up has surpassed Zekrom...

OU:
-Tyranitar is #1
-Rotom is till really high...
-Dragonite enetered the top five, which is totally reasonable thanks to Multi-Scale.
-Haxorus went up.
-Mew got screwed again.
-Swampert is still OU!

UU:
-Chadelure, Machamp, Whimsicott, Porygon2, and Hippo all dropped.
-Stoutland is going to be even more grossly common.
-Golurk, Cresselia, and Rhyperior are now UU.
-The sun sweepers dropped.
-Mamo is still UU):
-Snorlax went up(:

RU:
-Blastoise is #1. Sure, it's good, but is it really that good?
-Sceptile is still RU):

also

waterwarrior · Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:58:46 PM

Cresselia is now UU. The RU community is at peace from one piece of broken shit. But now... Everyone shall face the unadultered wrath of Porygon-Z!!!!!!

... Except for freaking Munchlax

| 10 | Alakazam | 2827 | 8.309% |
| 32 | Munchlax | 1812 | 5.326% |
| 265 | Sableye | 34 | 0.149% |

Well, I see all three going to top 5 with Cress and Blastoise gone.

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Originally Posted by Fat fatsnorlax

UU:
-Chadelure, Machamp, Whimsicott, Porygon2, and Hippo all dropped.
-Golurk, Cresselia, and Rhyperior are now UU.
-The sun sweepers dropped.

RU:
-Blastoise is #1. Sure, it's good, but is it really that good?

-And so BL gained another strong special and another strong physical attacker, as well as a Ground type wall (with Chansey still mucking about, I doubt P2's going anywhere, and Whimsicott won't be too ground-breaking IMO)
-Cress and Rhyperior I understand, but why the hell Golurk? I mean, its not bad, but its not great either....
-You're surprised?
-No, Blastoise isn't that good. It just has Rapid Spin and nice defenses. Its completely overrated.

***Antar**** · Oct 2nd, 2011, 8:13:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Snunch

UU stats look way off.

| 30 | Hippopotas | 3074 | 7.044% |

| 41 | Stoutland | 2140 | 4.904% |

Nobody uses hippo without stoutland. This shows how bad the fluctuation is and, while I'm amazed, impressed, etc. that you took the time to compile these, I wouldn't trust these stats to determine any tiers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

There's an easy way to look into this, what I call the "full team method." I'll post what I find.

Full-team method gives:

Code:

 | 35   | Hippopotas      | 1675   |  5.634% |
 | 43   | Stoutland       | 1399   |  4.705% |

I need to sit down and do an in-depth analysis to figure out what the tiering difference would be.

Bob_Squob · Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:19:43 PM

So wait... Quagsire is NU? Seriously?

Wilechase · Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:34:40 PM

Just curious, what are the chances that these stats and tiers will be made official because I am kinda liking how the tiers and usage are shaping up.

Spenstar · Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:42:33 PM

oh yeah, another thing.

Haxorus has cemented itself as a top 20 OU Pokemon.

Fuck. Yes.

***Antar**** · Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:44:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat bwburke94

Well, do we have enough RU data to start up the NU tier now?

I would think so, and I would like it, I think the consensus of the mods is that UU and RU are still too volatile.

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Originally Posted by Fat waterwarrior

Also, can you please get the DW OU/ Ubers stats up? Thanks in advance Antar :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Sniffle Puzz

hey can you post 4th gen ou stats?

Done!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Wilechase

Just curious, what are the chances that these stats and tiers will be made official because I am kinda liking how the tiers and usage are shaping up.

That's a very good question. The mods will hopefully be making some decisions in a couple of days.

Thundur · Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:45:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Wilechase

Just curious, what are the chances that these stats and tiers will be made official because I am kinda liking how the tiers and usage are shaping up.

I doubt most things in uu range will go uu probobly bl. As for ou we will see at the end of this round how much the metagame changes.

Spenstar · Oct 2nd, 2011, 10:06:26 PM

One of two things will happen. Either there will be no UU bans (or like one... dibs on Hippo) or almost all the new UUs will be banned. Hopefully the former. It's 4th gen OU reunion with Deejay Darmanitan.

GDK · Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

Full-team method gives:

Code:

 | 35   | Hippopotas      | 1675   |  5.634% |
 | 43   | Stoutland       | 1399   |  4.705% |

I need to sit down and do an in-depth analysis to figure out what the tiering difference would be.

Wait, how can the full team method results in LESS USAGE than the log analysis one ?

Thorhammer · Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:24:02 PM

Am I reading something wrong, or does this mean Gorebyss will be NU?

MaestroXXVI · Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:24:04 PM

full team only measures teams who were revealed in their entirety, so a team who had only 5 pokes revealed (because they either won or forfeited) would result in 5 usages in the main method but none in the full team method

(and theres a rule that a poke can only drop one tier each cycle)

Fizz · Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:25:12 PM

Raw stats give (usage of this Pokémon in battle)/(usage of all Pokémon in battle).
Full team method gives (usage of this Pokémon on teams)/(usage of all Pokémon on teams).

I don't know how Antar does it but assuming it's accurate it makes sense that Hippopotas would go down in usage. Especially considering it's essentially only used when its ability to set up Sandstorm for the rest of the team is needed.

Edit: Oops.

Lady Kitty · Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:55:36 PM

ohh Scizor is 1# Standard OU, o: Whimsicott in UU ohh well... T.T

KevinLucario · Oct 3rd, 2011, 12:11:18 AM

Haxorus doin' it big!
Also FUCK YES CRESS IS UU!
When are the tiers gonna be updated?

NijaSkills · Oct 3rd, 2011, 12:26:01 AM

Based on what Jabba said here, not for a while.

Younii · Oct 3rd, 2011, 4:01:15 AM

Vaporeon, Swampert OU ? wtf ?...

These things are shit and it's funny to see Tornadus UU. I guess he will be fine in UU without drizzle to support him.

Thorhammer · Oct 3rd, 2011, 6:25:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat NijaSkills

Based on what Jabba said here, not for a while.

Jabba's post doesn't make sense. Any problems with the UU suspect test will only be made worse if it's made on a metagame that's months out of date, with the knowledge that other Pokemon are just about to drop into UU.

Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:01:19 PM	#27
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Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:40:45 PM	#31
Spenstar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,138 New York	Darmanitan... UU... what the fuck! This guy RAPES on my sun team. Just RAPES. Chandelure I can understand, he's like E-vire if E-vire was portrayed sympathetically. I gotta say I knew he'd underwhelm back when he was all the hype. And now... just wait until Shadow Tag, guys. He'll be back... Hippo... I'm surprised. He's a good wall and great sandstream user with reliable recovery. Sorry dude, we wish you well in UU. And by that I mean we want you banned there. One last thing. Why isnt Blaziken used more in Ubers?! He rapes shit up down there. Blaziken is freaking amazing in Ubers, he's underrated as shit. __________________ My team of awesome! 22:20 Terrador wow 22:21 Terrador You just found a use for Rage. 22:21 Terrador Congratulations. 22:21 Spenstar yes, yes I did 8) 22:21 UllarWarlord applause

Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:19:43 PM	#36
Bob_Squob Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 208 Utterly Devastating Celadon City	So wait... Quagsire is NU? Seriously? __________________ You're all forgetting a very unexpected set: Physical Unown Unown @ Choice Band Levitate Adamant 4/252/0/0/0/252 - Hidden Power

Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:34:40 PM	#37
Wilechase Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 139 A place	Just curious, what are the chances that these stats and tiers will be made official because I am kinda liking how the tiers and usage are shaping up. __________________ HG: 0818 2950 1606 Black: 2923 4613 3768 I use legal hacks, if anyone cares. http://www.youtube.com/user/wilechase My youtube channel, check it out.

Oct 2nd, 2011, 9:42:33 PM	#38
Spenstar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,138 New York	oh yeah, another thing. Haxorus has cemented itself as a top 20 OU Pokemon. Fuck. Yes. __________________ My team of awesome! 22:20 Terrador wow 22:21 Terrador You just found a use for Rage. 22:21 Terrador Congratulations. 22:21 Spenstar yes, yes I did 8) 22:21 UllarWarlord applause

Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:25:25 PM	#29
Boorego Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 31	Nice to see mew usage rising... only .2 more percent and you are OU mew :). Suprised to see that mamswine didn't make the cut considering how much he rose in useage the last couple months and all of the thinks like thundurus and dragonite everywhere. The uu dropoffs look intreseting to say the least most of them look like they are gonna fit in that tier just fine.

Oct 2nd, 2011, 7:30:12 PM	#30
Avira Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 231	Hmmm .... Mew still isn't OU? Damn it. This thing is good and needs to make the cutoff next time.

Oct 2nd, 2011, 10:06:26 PM	#41
Spenstar Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,138 New York	One of two things will happen. Either there will be no UU bans (or like one... dibs on Hippo) or almost all the new UUs will be banned. Hopefully the former. It's 4th gen OU reunion with Deejay Darmanitan. __________________ My team of awesome! 22:20 Terrador wow 22:21 Terrador You just found a use for Rage. 22:21 Terrador Congratulations. 22:21 Spenstar yes, yes I did 8) 22:21 UllarWarlord applause

Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:24:02 PM	#43
Thorhammer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,303 Pennsylvania	Am I reading something wrong, or does this mean Gorebyss will be NU?

Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:24:04 PM	#44
MaestroXXVI Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 202	full team only measures teams who were revealed in their entirety, so a team who had only 5 pokes revealed (because they either won or forfeited) would result in 5 usages in the main method but none in the full team method (and theres a rule that a poke can only drop one tier each cycle)

Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:25:12 PM	#45
Fizz Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 801	Raw stats give (usage of this Pokémon in battle)/(usage of all Pokémon in battle). Full team method gives (usage of this Pokémon on teams)/(usage of all Pokémon on teams). I don't know how Antar does it but assuming it's accurate it makes sense that Hippopotas would go down in usage. Especially considering it's essentially only used when its ability to set up Sandstorm for the rest of the team is needed. Edit: Oops. __________________ I'm on the Grammar-Prose Team; feel free to message me if you'd like to have something checked.

Oct 2nd, 2011, 11:55:36 PM	#46
Lady Kitty Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 168	ohh Scizor is 1# Standard OU, o: Whimsicott in UU ohh well... T.T

Oct 3rd, 2011, 12:11:18 AM	#47
KevinLucario Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2 Earth	Haxorus doin' it big! Also FUCK YES CRESS IS UU! When are the tiers gonna be updated? __________________ I use legal hacks. B/W FC: 2021 8985 1561

Oct 3rd, 2011, 12:26:01 AM	#48
NijaSkills Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 244	Based on what Jabba said here, not for a while. __________________ White FC: 1850 1893 8931 I use legal, obtainable hacks I might upload the battle to YouTube (username N1jaSk1lls). Tell me if you don't want me to.

Oct 3rd, 2011, 4:01:15 AM	#49
Younii Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 296 Benelux	Vaporeon, Swampert OU ? wtf ?... These things are shit and it's funny to see Tornadus UU. I guess he will be fine in UU without drizzle to support him.