Smogon University PO Statistics — November 2011

[AccidentalGreed]

| 1 | Scizor | 125243 | 29.250% | 105078 | 29.445% |
| 3 | Rotom-W | 95652 | 22.339% | 85785 | 24.039% |

How despicably obnoxious.

Nothing actually changed much...except the abnormal rising usage of Gorebyss, Quagsire, and Terrakion. Perhaps Ninetales and Bronzong are the real losers in terms of actual usage in OU.

[RBG*]

Originally Posted by Fat Banedon

THE REAL GODS OF POKEMON



Go soak your head, Arceus.

Fun fact: If you add up all the different Arceus Types, it equals 9824 uses, i.e. it's on more than 50% of teams used.

Arceus shall not be waterboarded.

[Mario With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Fat KurashiDragon

Scizor had 32% usage at one point in 4th gen so it's not the most overcentralized but it's still very bad.

Garchomp had 35% before being booted iirc, and the metagame revolved around it. Scizor is "fine" in BW.


And while we're on that... lol Scizor dethroning Dragonite dethroning Tyranitar dethroning Ferrothorn, lol Deo-S and Terrakion in the top 10, lol Gorebyss, Sableye, Zapdos and Alakazam eager to get into OU, lol Swampert sucking the biggest of metaphorical dicks ever imagined by man... what a fucking game of thrones this metagame has become.


And lol poor Latios no one cares about him anymore.

[Byrn Dragonstone]

Quick question.

Would it be possible to get the average damage that Entry hazards cause? For instance getting the damage that Stealth Rock causes over the course of a match.

[AccidentalGreed]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

And lol poor Latios no one cares about him anymore.

He is still pretty high on the ladder, but can you blame people? The most dangerous I've ever seen out of a Latios are those that can switch attacks and maybe use CM. Otherwise, the sight of a Latios simply screams "I'm going to use Draco Meteor, even though you have a Tyranitar/Scizor on your team!"

And unfortunately, that happens...a lot.

[Malkyrian]

I got bored, so I went and calculated a quick reference for which mons would move into a different tier if the tiers were to change based on these stats.

To OU up from lower tiers

---

Tornadus, Chansey, Donphan, Jolteon, Mamoswine, Dugtrio

To UU down from OU

---

Swampert, Bronzong

To UU up from lower tiers

---

Alakazam, Sableye, Qwilfish, Krookodile

To RU down from UU

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Hippopotas, Whimsicott, Sigilyph, Golurk, Aerodactyl

To RU up from NU

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Slowking, Lanturn, Rhydon, Scolipede, Snover, Braviary, Swellow, Klinklang, Rotom-F

To NU down from RU

---

Victreebel, Charizard, Crawdaunt

In order from most certain to happen to least certain to happen, in all cases.

I'm loving a lot of these. Can't wait for December.

EDIT: Just checked the full stats, and so there's changes in these: Nidoqueen and Absol are no longer moving to RU based on the November stats. The certainty order is different now too, but I didn't fix that, because I feel like being lazy. =P

EDIT2: Changed the certainty order. Jolteon > Mamoswine in the OU section, Scolipede > Snover and Swellow > Klinklang in the RU section.

[Pocket]

Thanks Antar for the stats! Malkyran, those are some awesome info, :d

AccidentalGreed - He is still pretty high on the ladder, but can you blame people? The most dangerous I've ever seen out of a Latios are those that can switch attacks and maybe use CM. Otherwise, the sight of a Latios simply screams "I'm going to use Draco Meteor, even though you have a Tyranitar/Scizor on your team!"

And unfortunately, that happens...a lot.

Yea, even with CM + LO, Latios still loses to Tyranitar without Surf / Hidden Power [Fighting] / Grass Knot. It's probably the best lure to Ttar, though, and if you have other mons that needs Ttar gone (like... SpecsHeatran), then Latios would be a great partner.

[Avira]

The 1337 stats show a sand dominated metagame even after Excadrill has left. And people still complain about rain when you have a monster like Terrakion around (No, I am not suggesting that Terrakion is broken).

[Lesser Smaug]

Originally Posted by Fat AccidentalGreed

Otherwise, the sight of a Latios simply screams "I'm going to use Draco Meteor, even though you have a Tyranitar/Scizor on your team!"

And unfortunately, that happens...a lot.

Choice Latios needs prediction to unleash its Draco Meteors on unprotected victims later. That's why we have Surf and Hidden Power Fire on Latios; we know that the opponent is going to bring their Tyranitar or Scizor in and scare out Latios, so we can predict a switch-in and blow away these problem Pokemon with the correct move. It's a risky guessing game, however, but it's certain that one side will go down.

[Vein]

two of my entry hazard/shuffling trio, milotic and dusclops (the other is deo-s), are still down there..gotta give them some love. they've been great for me...

way to go swellow in NU!

[Asterat]

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

The usage cutoff for all tiers is ~3.41%.

I'm confused. Blissey, scizor and friends have been that high in ubers for ages. Does this mean dragonite is gone?

[DetroitLolcat]

Originally Posted by Fat Asterat

I'm confused. Blissey, scizor and friends have been that high in ubers for ages. Does this mean dragonite is gone?

OU is the highest usage based tier. A Pokemon needs to be banned from the OU tier for being broken in order to go above OU to Ubers. Dragonite would need to be determined Uber in order to leave OU. 3.41% is what it takes to get into OU.

[Vein]

Originally Posted by Fat Asterat

I'm confused. Blissey, scizor and friends have been that high in ubers for ages. Does this mean dragonite is gone?

draggy is exploitable to be gone

[Asterat]

To be honest, who uses vaporeon? Also why do people like jolteon so much? Raikou can survive duggy's EQ without bulk investment.


Victreebel NU :(. I sometimes use him over venasaur.

Craw daunt NU? Gooe, now the tier has a better physical water type than Basculin.

How far will whimsicott fall? I guess it performs equally in all tiers more or less

[AccidentalGreed]

Originally Posted by Fat Asterat

To be honest, who uses vaporeon? Also why do people like jolteon so much? Raikou can survive duggy's EQ without bulk investment.

Outspeeds Adamant Dragonite that has a Dragon Dance boost. also, It's Substitute + Baton Pass provides invaluable attacking and supportive utility.

Originally Posted by Fat Asterat

Victreebel NU :(. I sometimes use him over venasaur.

Craw daunt NU? Gooe, now the tier has a better physical water type than Basculin.

How far will whimsicott fall? I guess it performs equally in all tiers more or less

The Pokemon you mentioned are all pretty niche, and I wouldn't put it past Whimsicott to go down so far because...well...everybody knows it recycles the same strategy over and over again in any tier.

[D4RR3N]

Haxorus on the rise...

[Antar*]

Originally Posted by Fat Byrn Dragonstone

Quick question.

Would it be possible to get the average damage that Entry hazards cause? For instance getting the damage that Stealth Rock causes over the course of a match.

It would be difficult but not impossible. Here's your average entry hazard log entry:

<div class="MoveMessage"><span style='color:#b8a038'>Pointed stones dug into Antar's Gliscor!</span></div>

That would be okay, since SR will do the same amount to Gliscor no matter the situation. But Spikes presents a bigger challenge, since the log doesn't tell you in one of those lines whether it's one, two or three layers. So any script calculating Spikes damage would have to keep track of how many layers of spikes were on the field. Doable, but difficult.

Now, if you've ever seen one of Aeosoft's logs, THOSE will be SUPER EASY to analyze for this stuff as long as he keeps the [DEBUG] entries in.

[Victoree]

No! Swampert, don't leave us in OU! He is great at setting up stealth rock...

[Asterat]

Originally Posted by Fat Grade

No! Swampert, don't leave us in OU! He is great at setting up stealth rock...

So is geodude. Swampert sucks

[Antar*]

Originally Posted by Fat Grade

No! Swampert, don't leave us in OU! He is great at setting up stealth rock...

As has been stated literally HUNDREDS of times by this point, UU pokes are allowed in OU. Swampert dropping down will affect your ability to use him in OU not at all.

It just means he'll get his chance to shine in UU now (if he drops).

[Banedon]

Originally Posted by Fat RBG

Fun fact: If you add up all the different Arceus Types, it equals 9824 uses, i.e. it's on more than 50% of teams used.

Arceus shall not be waterboarded.

Go soak your head too RBG :(

@Antar - would it be possible to get 1337 stats based on ladder position? For a more active ladder like OU, you could do something like top 200 players, while for a less active one like Ubers, you could do top 80 (or something). That way, we'd still get stats from higher up the ladder but less active ladders won't have such a small sample size.

[alphatron]

Originally Posted by Fat Asterat

So is geodude. Swampert sucks

And so it begins. I was wondering when we'd get another pokemon to join the ranks of electivire and charizard and here he is. A pokemon who is treated like bottom barrell trash despite not even being close to one of the worst pokemon in the metagame. Although I can't say I feel too bad for Swampy here...

Cloyster's usage spike is to be expected thanks to dragonite and X5Dragon showing his team off to everybody.

As for latios, I'm fine with him dropping and I hope he continues to do so. If rain teams want to use BU Toxicroak over latios/latias with Surf/Thunder/Draco meteor or dragon pulse/tailwind, then I am fine with not having to put up with more threats in the metagame.

[Antar*]

Originally Posted by Fat Banedon

@Antar - would it be possible to get 1337 stats based on ladder position? For a more active ladder like OU, you could do something like top 200 players, while for a less active one like Ubers, you could do top 80 (or something). That way, we'd still get stats from higher up the ladder but less active ladders won't have such a small sample size.

I personally prefer the rating cutoff because what it means we're looking at is players who have demonstrated a certain skill level. "Top 200" or whatever doesn't really tell you how good such trainers are (unless I published the rating of the 200th player, in which case I might as well just set that as the cutoff). And "top 1%" or something like that is COMPLETELY untenable because of the large number of dead alts.

[Byrn Dragonstone]

Originally Posted by Fat alphatron

And so it begins. I was wondering when we'd get another pokemon to join the ranks of electivire and charizard and here he is. A pokemon who is treated like bottom barrell trash despite not even being close to one of the worst pokemon in the metagame. Although I can't say I feel too bad for Swampy here...

Cloyster's usage spike is to be expected thanks to dragonite and X5Dragon showing his team off to everybody.

As for latios, I'm fine with him dropping and I hope he continues to do so. If rain teams want to use BU Toxicroak over latios/latias with Surf/Thunder/Draco meteor or dragon pulse/tailwind, then I am fine with not having to put up with more threats in the metagame.

The worst part is is that people who use Charizard/Swampert/Electivire are all labeled as Noobs, whereas someone who uses something worse (Zebstrika for instance) are considered great because they are unique.

[Avira]

Originally Posted by Fat Byrn Dragonstone

The worst part is is that people who use Charizard/Swampert/Electivire are all labeled as Noobs, whereas someone who uses something worse (Zebstrika for instance) are considered great because they are unique.

Uhhhh ... no. Somebody who uses Zebstrika is more of a noob than others because at least those other three have some competitive value unlike the electric zebra.