Smogon University PO Statistics — November 2011 - Page 4

TM13IceBeam · Dec 2nd, 2011, 10:24:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Malvira

Uhhhh ... no. Somebody who uses Zebstrika is more of a noob than others because at least those other three have some competitive value unlike the electric zebra.

the idea is that C/S/E have been stereotyped by people as mons that are only used by noobs (Zard because its like the original badass dragon, Pert because MUDKIPZ and Electivire because lolhit13typesSE)

Unlike Zebstrika, where nobody actually sees it and when someone actually uses it to great effect he's considered some sort of prodigy.

Yeah, slippery slope much?

girl1818 · Dec 2nd, 2011, 10:31:04 AM

i know i am joining a random thread but i need a good pokemon team and strategy. thanks!!!

The Silent Storm · Dec 2nd, 2011, 10:58:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat girl1818

i know i am joining a random thread but i need a good pokemon team and strategy. thanks!!!

Deoxys-s
Dragonite
Scizor
Rotom-w
Terrakion
randomthing
go kid, smash 'em all!
On a serious note: thanks for the stats Antar, also will wait for Innocent Criminal for the ''full team statistics''
=)
Now looking on usage...
Great! Scizor get the crown but wow, 29% usage, of course, it was expected a little, I mean scizor with BP it's good to fight the majority of HO monster, and the little ''bonus'' for ''volturn'' teams, but i wasn't expecting so much usage percent from dragonite, oh well what do you know, in the end he got so much set and cb extremespeed it's still VERY valuable.
Deo-s on the rise (as expected) seems also that terrakion it's getting SOOOOO much love, even though he was a beast since the start, I suppose that MostWanted team got it's merits (cb <3)
Also, it seems that sun teams are loosing the edge, even though Excadrill was banned, can't blame them though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zurich

Looking at OU, some really interesting things going on. Scizor is top usage just like it was early Platinum, that's just due to its versatility and power. Ferrothorn not being no. 1 is a nice surprise while some really interesting things are going up to OU, specifically Gorebyss, Alakazam, Chansey (FUCK YES) and Donphan going up, the latter two showing that balance and stall is finally starting to be recognized as a relevant playstyle with the bans of Excadrill and Thundurus, both of which majorly fucked it up.

eeeeeeh, I don't think so about the stall part.

***Antar**** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:01:20 AM

Full-month stats are up. 1337 stats should be a bit less insane now. Enjoy!

X5Dragon · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:02:03 AM

Quote:

Deoxys-s
Dragonite
Scizor
Rotom-w
Terrakion
randomthing
go kid, smash 'em all!

LOL I was just thinking about making a team of the top 6 and how well I fare. The last thing should be a Gengar, adds more SpA offense and spin blocks :)

Honko · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

I personally prefer the rating cutoff because what it means we're looking at is players who have demonstrated a certain skill level. "Top 200" or whatever doesn't really tell you how good such trainers are (unless I published the rating of the 200th player, in which case I might as well just set that as the cutoff). And "top 1%" or something like that is COMPLETELY untenable because of the large number of dead alts.

Is there any way to base the 1337 stats on rating at the time of battle, rather than at the end of the month? I would think that would be a more accurate representation of what the best teams use, since the current method is pretty vulnerable to decay and tilts. It may be impossible since afaik the players' ratings aren't included in the battle logs, but if you can find a way I think that would be a big improvement.

Thanks for the fast stats once again.

**TheMantyke** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:14:10 AM

For those watching the bottom of the barrel, Wormadam (Normal Form) is still holding onto its title of being the least used fully evolved Pokemon in any tier (sans Little Cup for obvious reasons).

In OU, it currently holds two uses, actually tying with Watchog. In UU though, it pulls ahead of Watchog with only 1 use, a major difference with Watchog racking up 12 uses. In RU and NU, Wormadam actually has no uses whatsoever. I guess it's not hard to see why when nearly every other grass type in existence outclasses you.

LOVE ME

Texas Cloverleaf · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:23:07 AM

Pretty sure I'm responsible for every Archeops and Frillish in the ru leet stats, as well as most o the Aggrons :D

**Molk** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:26:11 AM

once again, i am sorry, i am responsible for all stunfisk in all the RU leet stats, it makes a great honch check!

but seriously, my entire team is on that list

MaestroXXVI · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:31:18 AM

ok, now that the full stats are up, i can add in the full changes:

Standard OU

Code:

 + ---- + ----------- + ------ +
 | Rank | Pokemon     | Change |
 + ---- + ----------- + ------ +
 | 1    | Scizor      |   1    | 
 | 2    | Dragonite   |  -1    | 
 | 3    | Rotom-W     |   0    | 
 | 4    | Ferrothorn  |   0    | 
 | 5    | Politoed    |   0    | 
 | 6    | Tyranitar   |   0    | 
 | 7    | Heatran     |   0    | 
 | 8    | Deoxys-S    |   3    | 
 | 9    | Terrakion   |   4    | 
 | 10   | Jirachi     |  -1    | 
 | 11   | Gliscor     |  -3    | 
 | 12   | Latios      |  -2    | 
 | 13   | Gengar      |   5    | 
 | 14   | Starmie     |   1    | 
 | 15   | Skarmory    |  -3    | 
 | 16   | Haxorus     |   3    | 
 | 17   | Tentacruel  |  -1    | 
 | 18   | Landorus    |  -4    | 
 | 19   | Gyarados    |   2    | 
 | 20   | Reuniclus   |   2    | 
 | 21   | Volcarona   |   4    | 
 | 22   | Celebi      |  -2    | 
 | 23   | Lucario     |   3    | 
 | 24   | Forretress  |  -1    | 
 | 25   | Ninetales   |  -8    | 
 | 26   | Infernape   |   1    | 
 | 27   | Conkeldurr  |  -3    | 
 | 28   | Salamence   |   3    | 
 | 29   | Magnezone   |   1    | 
 | 30   | Espeon      |   2    | 
 | 31   | Jellicent   |  -3    | 
 | 32   | Gastrodon   |  -3    | 
 | 33   | Breloom     |   1    | 
 | 34   | Cloyster    |  11    | 
 | 35   | Blissey     |  -2    | 
 | 36   | Hydreigon   |   1    | 
 | 37   | Vaporeon    |  -1    | 
 | 38   | Latias      |  -3    | 
 | 39   | Scrafty     |   2    | 
 | 40   | Metagross   |   4    | 
 | 41   | Venusaur    |  -1    | 
 | 42   | Tornadus    |  -4    | 
 | 43   | Toxicroak   |  -4    | 
 | 44   | Chansey     |   2    | 
 | 45   | Donphan     |   5    | 
 | 46   | Virizion    |   1    | 
 | 47   | Jolteon     |   2    | 
 | 48   | Mamoswine   |   8    | 
 | 49   | Mienshao    |  -1    | 
 | 50   | Dugtrio     |  -8    | 
 | 51   | Alakazam    |   1    | 
 | 52   | Sableye     |  -1    | 
 | 53   | Gorebyss    |  16    | 
 | 54   | Bronzong    | -11    | 
 | 55   | Zapdos      |   6    | 
 | 56   | Quagsire    |  -1    | 
 | 57   | Swampert    |  -4    | 
 | 58   | Darmanitan  |   1    | 
 | 59   | Chandelure  |  -2    | 
 | 60   | Mew         |  -2    | 
 | 61   | Kingdra     |   7    | 
 | 62   | Machamp     |   1    | 
 | 63   | Slowbro     |   1    | 
 | 64   | Porygon2    |  -4    | 
 | 65   | Abomasnow   |   2    | 
 | 66   | Victini     |   5    | 
 | 67   | Hippowdon   |  -1    | 
 | 68   | Roserade    |   2    | 
 | 69   | Nidoking    |   5    | 
 | 70   | Whimsicott  |  -5    | 
 | 71   | Togekiss    |   2    | 
 | 72   | Weavile     |   5    | 
 | 73   | Hitmontop   |   2    | 
 | 74   | Xatu        |   7    | 
 | 75   | Azelf       |  -3    | 
 | 76   | Arcanine    |   4    | 
 | 77   | Tangrowth   |   1    | 
 | 78   | Dusclops    |   4    | 
 | 79   | Raikou      |  15    | 
 | 80   | Kyurem      |  11    | 
 | 81   | Milotic     |   8    | 
 | 82   | Snorlax     |   4    | 
 | 83   | Zoroark     |  -7    | 
 | 84   | Smeargle    |  14    | 
 | 85   | Sharpedo    |  20    | 
 | 86   | Sawsbuck    |  -3    | 
 | 87   | Electivire  |   5    | 
 | 88   | Wobbuffet   |  -4    | 
 | 89   | Flygon      |  -1    | 
 | 90   | Ninjask     | -11    | 
 | 91   | Cresselia   |  12    | 
 | 92   | Empoleon    |  10    | 
 | 93   | Aerodactyl  |   0    | 
 | 94   | Staraptor   |  -9    | 
 | 95   | Azumarill   |  -8    | 
 | 96   | Magneton    | 107    | 
 | 97   | Suicune     |  -7    | 
 | 98   | Charizard   |   6    | 
 | 99   | Gallade     |   2    | 
 | 100  | Blastoise   |   7    | 
 | 101  | Ludicolo    |  -6    | 
 | 102  | Spiritomb   |  12    | 
 | 103  | Umbreon     |   8    | 
 | 104  | Ambipom     |  -7    | 
 | 105  | Froslass    |   4    | 
 | 106  | Claydol     |  15    | 
 | 107  | Porygon-Z   |   5    | 
 | 108  | Heracross   | -12    | 
 | 109  | Sigilyph    | -10    | 
 | 110  | Uxie        |   0    | 
 | 111  | Rotom-C     |   4    | 
 | 112  | Honchkrow   |  10    | 
 + ---- + ----------- + ------ +

Standard OU - Notable Changes

Standard OU 1337

Code:

 + ---- + ----------- + ------ +
 | Rank | Pokemon     | Change |
 + ---- + ----------- + ------ +
 | 1    | Scizor      |   1    | 
 | 2    | Rotom-W     |  -1    | 
 | 3    | Tyranitar   |   1    | 
 | 4    | Dragonite   |  -1    | 
 | 5    | Terrakion   |   6    | 
 | 6    | Jirachi     |   6    | 
 | 7    | Politoed    |   2    | 
 | 8    | Deoxys-S    |  -2    | 
 | 9    | Landorus    |  -4    | 
 | 10   | Heatran     |  -3    | 
 | 11   | Starmie     |  12    | 
 | 12   | Celebi      |   2    | 
 | 13   | Latios      |   2    | 
 | 14   | Ferrothorn  |  -4    | 
 | 15   | Tentacruel  |  -2    | 
 | 16   | Gengar      |  15    | 
 | 17   | Skarmory    |   0    | 
 | 18   | Lucario     |   2    | 
 | 19   | Gliscor     | -11    | 
 | 20   | Reuniclus   |   4    | 
 | 21   | Forretress  |   0    | 
 | 22   | Gyarados    |   0    | 
 | 23   | Volcarona   |  -7    | 
 | 24   | Mamoswine   |   6    | 
 | 25   | Ninetales   |  -7    | 
 | 26   | Gastrodon   |  13    | 
 | 27   | Cloyster    |  15    | 
 | 28   | Haxorus     |  -9    | 
 | 29   | Breloom     |   4    | 
 | 30   | Magnezone   |  -1    | 
 | 31   | Espeon      |  -5    | 
 | 32   | Latias      |  12    | 
 | 33   | Quagsire    |   5    | 
 | 34   | Conkeldurr  |  22    | 
 | 35   | Slowbro     |  12    | 
 | 36   | Abomasnow   |   7    | 
 | 37   | Dugtrio     | -10    | 
 | 38   | Donphan     |   2    | 
 | 39   | Jellicent   | -11    | 
 | 40   | Gorebyss    |   8    | 
 | 41   | Chansey     |  -5    | 
 | 42   | Blissey     | -10    | 
 | 43   | Mew         |  16    | 
 | 44   | Salamence   |  -9    | 
 | 45   | Infernape   | -20    | 
 | 46   | Empoleon    |  20    | 
 | 47   | Chandelure  |   4    | 
 | 48   | Hippowdon   |  26    | 
 | 49   | Alakazam    |   3    | 
 | 50   | Smeargle    |  28    | 
 | 51   | Tornadus    |  -2    | 
 | 52   | Hydreigon   |  -2    | 
 | 53   | Lilligant   |  86    | 
 | 54   | Virizion    |  -1    | 
 | 55   | Sableye     |  -1    | 
 | 56   | Xatu        |  23    | 
 | 57   | Venusaur    | -20    | 
 | 58   | Bronzong    | -17    | 
 | 59   | Metagross   |  35    | 
 | 60   | Tangrowth   |   0    | 
 | 61   | Mienshao    |   0    | 
 | 62   | Kyurem      |   3    | 
 + ---- + ----------- + ------ +

Standard OU 1337 - Notable Changes

Avira · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:36:37 AM

Those stats for the Clear Skies tier are horribly low. Is there any point in having its existence continue?

**PK Gaming** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:50:24 AM

Wow, these tier shifts suck.

Goodbye Alakazam, Chansey, Jolteon, Mamoswine, Tornadus, Donphan. (Mamoswine is pretty legit in OU though)
Hello Bronzong & Swampert...? (Yeah sweet.)

Though i'm really glad that good Pokemon like Mew, Darmanitan & Chandelure safely in UU.
I'm glad Dugtrio is OU though, its a fucking stupid Pokemon and the less tiers its in the better.

PS: You can just tell that nobody good plays NU/very few players are playing the tier when fucking Klingklang is #2.
PS2: R.I.P Heysup
PS3: Klingklang isn't good. Its in a tier where Magmortar, Magneton, Emboar, (and a shitton of other neglected fire & electric types like Camerupt and Ampharos exist) It'd get rocked if NU was popular.

TM13IceBeam · Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:53:57 AM

| 96 | Magneton | 107 |

WTF

also afaik klingklang is actually quite good in NU

edit:

| 179 | Aron | 936 | 0.199% | 735 | 0.187% |
| 180 | Durant | 909 | 0.193% | 704 | 0.179% |

Durant sucks

alphatron · Dec 2nd, 2011, 12:07:34 PM

Sun's doing pretty well in the 1337 stats category, reminding me of what someone said about the weather quite a long time ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam

the idea is that C/S/E have been stereotyped by people as mons that are only used by noobs (Zard because its like the original badass dragon, Pert because MUDKIPZ and Electivire because lolhit13typesSE)

Unlike Zebstrika, where nobody actually sees it and when someone actually uses it to great effect he's considered some sort of prodigy.

Yeah, slippery slope much?

Yeah, pretty much this. It's kind of upsetting to be honest.

**PK Gaming** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 12:21:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pharaohcalvin

~Attention entire world, hear my proclamation. I am Scizor, Emperor of the Holy BW OU metagame and your only ruler. Dragonite has surrendered to me. As a result of this, I'm now in control of both the U-turn and the Bullet Punch spam effects. ... Yes, from this day, from this moment on, the world belongs to me. Scizor commands you, obey me, subject! Obey me, world!~

Banedon · Dec 2nd, 2011, 12:24:07 PM

Oh stfu Scizor, Kyogre the real God of Pokemon commands you!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

I personally prefer the rating cutoff because what it means we're looking at is players who have demonstrated a certain skill level. "Top 200" or whatever doesn't really tell you how good such trainers are (unless I published the rating of the 200th player, in which case I might as well just set that as the cutoff). And "top 1%" or something like that is COMPLETELY untenable because of the large number of dead alts.

Can you lower the rating cutoff for the less active ladders then?

***Antar**** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 12:30:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Banedon

Can you lower the rating cutoff for the less active ladders then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

In tiers where there were not enough players with a rating that high, I lowered the cutoff as specified.
...
Gotta lower my standards. Using 1200 instead.

X5Dragon · Dec 2nd, 2011, 12:34:55 PM

Magneton jumped 100 places W.T.F. It shows that good RMTs polish some underated pokemon...

TickingSeedotBomb · Dec 2nd, 2011, 3:16:26 PM

hell yea! November stats, now that we got the NU tier settled and all our tiers had time to settle after the October shake-up, I'll be glad to see what pokemon are the used the most and what not, time to stare at this for hours lol

Edit: I'm glad Jynx and Torterra have gotten more usage in NU but Jynx really SHOULD be higher. Such an amazing pokemon, I don't even know if it has any counters. Because what counters it (Slowking) can't even do much to it unless it has Flamethrower / Fire Blast.

I'm not surprised Scizor is king of OU ha ha! He's on a fuckload of teams with Rotom-W, I'm surprised politoed and t-tar are lower than Ferrothorn....

Quickbobhero · Dec 2nd, 2011, 4:00:16 PM

YEAAAAAHHHHHH I knew Sonic2Slow would make it to number one! ;)

I really find the only reason why people find him so troublesome is that he can use the SwitchTurn combo. But I only find that threatening because everyone and their mother's use Terrakion. <.<

But, I think my friend would be as excited as I was when I saw Scizor at number 1!

***Antar**** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 4:11:30 PM

On a whim, I decided to look at who would fall into a hypothetical tier below NU (I'm calling it "PU"--English speakers, say it out loud), if the tiers were based on this month's stats alone.

Here are the non-NFEs on that list (I might have missed some who were just never used at all in NU):

Code:

 | 58   | Flareon         | 616    |  3.402% | 546    |  3.542% | 
 | 59   | Amoonguss       | 609    |  3.364% | 541    |  3.510% | 
 | 60   | Leafeon         | 605    |  3.341% | 498    |  3.231% | 
 | 61   | Persian         | 592    |  3.270% | 536    |  3.477% | 
 | 62   | Rapidash        | 591    |  3.264% | 515    |  3.341% | 
 | 63   | Muk             | 589    |  3.253% | 520    |  3.374% | 
 | 64   | Audino          | 586    |  3.236% | 465    |  3.017% | 
 | 65   | Cinccino        | 583    |  3.220% | 505    |  3.276% | 
 | 66   | Misdreavus      | 574    |  3.170% | 488    |  3.166% | 
 | 67   | Gigalith        | 538    |  2.971% | 500    |  3.244% | 
 | 68   | Raichu          | 527    |  2.911% | 434    |  2.816% | 
 | 69   | Kangaskhan      | 507    |  2.800% | 421    |  2.731% | 
 | 70   | Garbodor        | 494    |  2.728% | 436    |  2.829% | 
 | 71   | Shiftry         | 486    |  2.684% | 411    |  2.666% | 
 | 72   | Regice          | 482    |  2.662% | 412    |  2.673% | 
 | 73   | Lapras          | 465    |  2.568% | 409    |  2.653% | 
 | 74   | Camerupt        | 458    |  2.530% | 398    |  2.582% | 
 | 75   | Marowak         | 456    |  2.519% | 405    |  2.627% | 
 | 76   | Walrein         | 452    |  2.496% | 356    |  2.310% | 
 | 78   | Rampardos       | 442    |  2.441% | 372    |  2.413% | 
 | 81   | Ninjask         | 411    |  2.270% | 378    |  2.452% | 
 | 82   | Ampharos        | 406    |  2.242% | 343    |  2.225% | 
 | 85   | Simipour        | 390    |  2.154% | 315    |  2.044% | 
 | 86   | Cradily         | 388    |  2.143% | 325    |  2.108% | 
 | 87   | Articuno        | 384    |  2.121% | 318    |  2.063% | 
 | 88   | Skuntank        | 374    |  2.066% | 307    |  1.992% | 
 | 90   | Samurott        | 361    |  1.994% | 288    |  1.868% | 
 | 91   | Slaking         | 351    |  1.939% | 298    |  1.933% | 
 | 92   | Jumpluff        | 332    |  1.834% | 298    |  1.933% | 
 | 93   | Vileplume       | 328    |  1.812% | 295    |  1.914% | 
 | 94   | Beheeyem        | 326    |  1.801% | 294    |  1.907% | 
 | 95   | Banette         | 322    |  1.778% | 284    |  1.842% | 
 | 96   | Volbeat         | 320    |  1.767% | 294    |  1.907% | 
 | 97   | Hypno           | 315    |  1.740% | 282    |  1.830% | 
 | 99   | Basculin        | 314    |  1.734% | 270    |  1.752% | 
 | 100  | Kecleon         | 313    |  1.729% | 288    |  1.868% | 
 | 101  | Probopass       | 307    |  1.696% | 285    |  1.849% | 
 | 102  | Regigigas       | 304    |  1.679% | 268    |  1.739% | 
 | 103  | Butterfree      | 299    |  1.651% | 261    |  1.693% | 
 | 104  | Kingler         | 298    |  1.646% | 260    |  1.687% | 
 | 107  | Huntail         | 290    |  1.602% | 205    |  1.330% | 
 | 108  | Dodrio          | 274    |  1.513% | 242    |  1.570% | 
 | 109  | Togetic         | 274    |  1.513% | 230    |  1.492% | 
 | 110  | Seismitoad      | 274    |  1.513% | 247    |  1.602% | 
 | 111  | Luxray          | 272    |  1.502% | 233    |  1.512% | 
 | 112  | Bibarel         | 266    |  1.469% | 217    |  1.408% | 
 | 113  | Mr. Mime        | 257    |  1.419% | 204    |  1.323% | 
 | 114  | Raticate        | 251    |  1.386% | 222    |  1.440% | 
 | 116  | Noctowl         | 242    |  1.337% | 203    |  1.317% | 
 | 117  | Dunsparce       | 240    |  1.326% | 219    |  1.421% |  
 | 119  | Linoone         | 236    |  1.303% | 178    |  1.155% | 
 | 121  | Arbok           | 230    |  1.270% | 211    |  1.369% | 
 | 124  | Beedrill        | 214    |  1.182% | 203    |  1.317% | 
 | 125  | Emolga          | 213    |  1.176% | 191    |  1.239% | 
 | 126  | Simisear        | 212    |  1.171% | 186    |  1.207% |  
 | 128  | Glalie          | 206    |  1.138% | 164    |  1.064% | 
 | 129  | Stunfisk        | 203    |  1.121% | 189    |  1.226% | 
 | 131  | Vanilluxe       | 193    |  1.066% | 152    |  0.986% | 
 | 132  | Lopunny         | 187    |  1.033% | 157    |  1.019% | 
 | 133  | Golduck         | 184    |  1.016% | 165    |  1.070% | 
 | 134  | Shedinja        | 184    |  1.016% | 135    |  0.876% | 
 | 135  | Grumpig         | 183    |  1.011% | 161    |  1.045% | 
 | 136  | Magcargo        | 180    |  0.994% | 154    |  0.999% | 
 | 137  | Pelipper        | 177    |  0.978% | 140    |  0.908% | 
 | 139  | Shuckle         | 173    |  0.955% | 148    |  0.960% | 
 | 140  | Cacturne        | 171    |  0.944% | 148    |  0.960% | 
 | 142  | Wailord         | 169    |  0.933% | 146    |  0.947% | 
 | 143  | Wormadam-S      | 164    |  0.906% | 150    |  0.973% | 
 | 145  | Mightyena       | 159    |  0.878% | 130    |  0.843% | 
 | 146  | Masquerain      | 158    |  0.873% | 136    |  0.882% | 
 | 147  | Zebstrika       | 156    |  0.862% | 137    |  0.889% | 
 | 148  | Mantine         | 151    |  0.834% | 128    |  0.830% | 
 | 149  | Heatmor         | 141    |  0.779% | 130    |  0.843% | 
 | 150  | Poliwrath       | 139    |  0.768% | 122    |  0.791% | 
 | 151  | Tropius         | 137    |  0.757% | 118    |  0.766% | 
 | 152  | Relicanth       | 135    |  0.746% | 122    |  0.791% | 
 | 153  | Octillery       | 134    |  0.740% | 121    |  0.785% | 
 | 154  | Zangoose        | 133    |  0.735% | 110    |  0.714% | 
 | 155  | Pidgeot         | 129    |  0.712% | 103    |  0.668% | 
 | 156  | Simisage        | 129    |  0.712% | 116    |  0.753% | 
 | 157  | Gothitelle      | 129    |  0.712% | 99     |  0.642% | 
 | 158  | Fearow          | 127    |  0.701% | 115    |  0.746% | 
 | 159  | Swalot          | 127    |  0.701% | 109    |  0.707% | 
 | 164  | Maractus        | 123    |  0.679% | 114    |  0.740% | 
 | 166  | Whiscash        | 117    |  0.646% | 105    |  0.681% | 
 | 167  | Beartic         | 114    |  0.630% | 92     |  0.597% | 
 | 170  | Seviper         | 98     |  0.541% | 83     |  0.538% | 
 | 173  | Mawile          | 94     |  0.519% | 79     |  0.513% | 
 | 174  | Purugly         | 91     |  0.503% | 75     |  0.487% | 
 | 177  | Parasect        | 85     |  0.469% | 68     |  0.441% | 
 | 180  | Granbull        | 80     |  0.442% | 70     |  0.454% | 
 | 181  | Exploud         | 79     |  0.436% | 74     |  0.480% | 
 | 182  | Farfetch'd      | 78     |  0.431% | 64     |  0.415% | 
 | 183  | Leavanny        | 76     |  0.420% | 62     |  0.402% | 
 | 184  | Solrock         | 75     |  0.414% | 71     |  0.461% | 
 | 186  | Phione          | 73     |  0.403% | 58     |  0.376% | 
 | 190  | Sudowoodo       | 67     |  0.370% | 63     |  0.409% | 
 | 191  | Dustox          | 66     |  0.365% | 53     |  0.344% | 
 | 192  | Liepard         | 64     |  0.353% | 56     |  0.363% | 
 | 194  | Delibird        | 63     |  0.348% | 53     |  0.344% | 
 | 196  | Furret          | 60     |  0.331% | 59     |  0.383% | 
 | 203  | Spinda          | 55     |  0.304% | 49     |  0.318% | 
 | 204  | Illumise        | 54     |  0.298% | 48     |  0.311% | 
 | 205  | Ariados         | 52     |  0.287% | 49     |  0.318% | 
 | 206  | Sunflora        | 52     |  0.287% | 48     |  0.311% | 
 | 207  | Girafarig       | 52     |  0.287% | 46     |  0.298% | 
 | 208  | Stantler        | 50     |  0.276% | 41     |  0.266% | 
 | 209  | Vespiquen       | 50     |  0.276% | 42     |  0.272% | 
 | 211  | Dewgong         | 48     |  0.265% | 37     |  0.240% | 
 | 213  | Lunatone        | 47     |  0.260% | 39     |  0.253% | 
 | 216  | Mothim          | 42     |  0.232% | 38     |  0.247% | 
 | 218  | Pachirisu       | 39     |  0.215% | 35     |  0.227% | 
 | 220  | Wigglytuff      | 37     |  0.204% | 29     |  0.188% | 
 | 221  | Unfezant        | 37     |  0.204% | 34     |  0.221% | 
 | 222  | Chimecho        | 36     |  0.199% | 32     |  0.208% | 
 | 224  | Seaking         | 33     |  0.182% | 29     |  0.188% | 
 | 227  | Bellossom       | 32     |  0.177% | 25     |  0.162% |  
 | 230  | Wormadam-G      | 29     |  0.160% | 25     |  0.162% |  
 | 234  | Corsola         | 26     |  0.144% | 20     |  0.130% | 
 | 237  | Koffing         | 24     |  0.133% | 22     |  0.143% | 
 | 238  | Ditto           | 23     |  0.127% | 13     |  0.084% | 
 | 243  | Lumineon        | 21     |  0.116% | 18     |  0.117% | 
 | 247  | Castform        | 19     |  0.105% | 14     |  0.091% | 
 | 248  | Chatot          | 19     |  0.105% | 17     |  0.110% | 
 | 249  | Nidorino        | 18     |  0.099% | 17     |  0.110% | 
 | 252  | Luvdisc         | 18     |  0.099% | 16     |  0.104% | 
 | 254  | Ledian          | 17     |  0.094% | 12     |  0.078% | 
 | 259  | Solosis         | 16     |  0.088% | 15     |  0.097% | 
 | 260  | Plusle          | 15     |  0.083% | 13     |  0.084% | 
 | 262  | Kricketune      | 15     |  0.083% | 13     |  0.084% | 
 | 270  | Delcatty        | 12     |  0.066% | 10     |  0.065% |  
 | 277  | Unown           | 11     |  0.061% | 11     |  0.071% | 
 + ---- + --------------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +

I'm rather shocked by some of the names on that list: Audino is a beast in RU. I know Amoongus is slow, but it has access to friggin' spore! Ninjask, what the hell happened? You used to be OU!

By the way, based on the fact that NU had more battles last month than LC and almost as many as Ubers, I don't think it's inconceivable that the server could actually support a "PU" tier. But that's just my opinion.

[Edit: If we do end up implementing "PU," the question becomes what do we call the tier below THAT? My answer? What each of the pokemon on that list says to GameFreak: "FU"]

MikeDecIsHere · Dec 2nd, 2011, 4:21:32 PM

*looks at usage stats and sees Zong in UU range*

What's up DPP OU

Cobraroll · Dec 2nd, 2011, 5:05:20 PM

^^What about CU (Completely Unviable)? The name could also refer to the Pokémon residing there, because we will only see them again if they ever get another evolution, and training said Pokémon becomes a mandatory step in obtaining the evolution.

It will be the tier for such things as Choice Scarf Magcargo or Focus Sash Bastiodon. Band Butterfree run rampant, and Life Orb Wobbuffet lurk around every corner. You can even risk meeting Expert Belt Delcatty. At least it's a place Luvdisc can call a home.

erisia · Dec 2nd, 2011, 6:04:12 PM

I don't think that's a good idea. A niche pokemon like Ninjask will probably end up in the lowest tier because people don't really use it in any particular metagame. That doesn't mean it's completely unviable, after all, it was OU in 4th Gen. The metagame hasn't changed that much. :p

Immoral Wombat · Dec 2nd, 2011, 6:12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cobraroll

...Expert Belt Delcatty...

Clever.

Anyway, my brokemon Scrafty didn't feel like moving, but it's meatshield Reuniclus moved up two spots, which is great.

Also, to those preaching Dragonite's downfall; it got used 4% more than last month. It's just that Scizor rose even more. This makes me wonder: is there an easy way we can show the usage percentage shifts instead of ranking shifts? Because ranking doesn't say that much. A pokemon can get used more and still drop in ranking, like Dragonite.

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Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:14:10 AM	#82
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Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:23:07 AM	#83
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Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:26:11 AM	#84
Molk Recipe for disaster Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,239 Long Island	once again, i am sorry, i am responsible for all stunfisk in all the RU leet stats, it makes a great honch check! but seriously, my entire team is on that list __________________ 16:46 <TLCNU> Esca literally is 2HKO'd by Stoutland Fire Fang 10:33 skylight molk put me in your sig

Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:36:37 AM	#86
Avira Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 231	Those stats for the Clear Skies tier are horribly low. Is there any point in having its existence continue?

Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:50:24 AM	#87
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,527 Izanagi	Wow, these tier shifts suck. Goodbye Alakazam, Chansey, Jolteon, Mamoswine, Tornadus, Donphan. (Mamoswine is pretty legit in OU though) Hello Bronzong & Swampert...? (Yeah sweet.) Though i'm really glad that good Pokemon like Mew, Darmanitan & Chandelure safely in UU. I'm glad Dugtrio is OU though, its a fucking stupid Pokemon and the less tiers its in the better. PS: You can just tell that nobody good plays NU/very few players are playing the tier when fucking Klingklang is #2. PS2: R.I.P Heysup PS3: Klingklang isn't good. Its in a tier where Magmortar, Magneton, Emboar, (and a shitton of other neglected fire & electric types like Camerupt and Ampharos exist) It'd get rocked if NU was popular. __________________ Last edited by PK Gaming; Dec 2nd, 2011 at 12:05:23 PM.

Dec 2nd, 2011, 11:53:57 AM	#88
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Dec 2nd, 2011, 3:16:26 PM	#94
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Dec 2nd, 2011, 4:21:32 PM	#97
MikeDecIsHere Laying the Groundwork for the Pound Work Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,840 Staten Island Mentor	looks at usage stats and sees Zong in UU range What's up DPP OU __________________

Dec 2nd, 2011, 5:05:20 PM	#98
Cobraroll Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 708	^^What about CU (Completely Unviable)? The name could also refer to the Pokémon residing there, because we will only see them again if they ever get another evolution, and training said Pokémon becomes a mandatory step in obtaining the evolution. It will be the tier for such things as Choice Scarf Magcargo or Focus Sash Bastiodon. Band Butterfree run rampant, and Life Orb Wobbuffet lurk around every corner. You can even risk meeting Expert Belt Delcatty. At least it's a place Luvdisc can call a home.

Dec 2nd, 2011, 6:04:12 PM	#99
erisia (macho) brace yourselves Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 854	I don't think that's a good idea. A niche pokemon like Ninjask will probably end up in the lowest tier because people don't really use it in any particular metagame. That doesn't mean it's completely unviable, after all, it was OU in 4th Gen. The metagame hasn't changed that much. :p