Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 1450

**ΩDonut** · Dec 23rd, 2011, 2:00:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat GoldenBanana

In 3rd gen, will a pokemon always be generated by the same Method on a given frame?

Nope.

GoldenBanana · Dec 23rd, 2011, 2:20:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat OmegaDonut

Nope.

So say for example I'm breeding, aiming for a Non-Split spread on a certain frame, but I keep hitting a Split Spread on that frame. If I keep at it (without removing the parents and regenerating the egg), I should eventually hit the Non-Split spread, correct?

**ΩDonut** · Dec 23rd, 2011, 2:34:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat GoldenBanana

So say for example I'm breeding, aiming for a Non-Split spread on a certain frame, but I keep hitting a Split Spread on that frame. If I keep at it (without removing the parents and regenerating the egg), I should eventually hit the Non-Split spread, correct?

Eventually, yeah.

Hozu · Dec 23rd, 2011, 9:15:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat GoldenBanana

So say for example I'm breeding, aiming for a Non-Split spread on a certain frame, but I keep hitting a Split Spread on that frame. If I keep at it (without removing the parents and regenerating the egg), I should eventually hit the Non-Split spread, correct?

I find the best way to escape the split spread is to just make another save w/o picking up the egg. Idk how long you should wait though.

Cereza · Dec 23rd, 2011, 1:21:45 PM

I'm trying to catch some pokemon from the bug contest but I cant figure out the encounter slots, I always get the right IVs and nature but not the species. Could anyone help me with that?

IceArceus12 · Dec 23rd, 2011, 5:40:32 PM

Can you only advance the PIDRNG frame by calling youngster joey or are there other methods? (On Soul Silver btw)

Princess of Johto · Dec 23rd, 2011, 5:52:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat IceArceus12

Can you only advance the PIDRNG frame by calling youngster joey or are there other methods? (On Soul Silver btw)

Well, in Gen 4 there is no "PIDRNG", there's only one RNG that controls the IVs and PID.

Unless you're talking about breeding. If you are, I'm pretty sure Joey is the only way since Elm controls IVs.

IceArceus12 · Dec 23rd, 2011, 5:55:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Well, in Gen 4 there is no "PIDRNG", there's only one RNG that controls the IVs and PID.

Unless you're talking about breeding. If you are, I'm pretty sure Joey is the only way since Elm controls IVs.

So that means you can only phone youngster joey to advance the RNG frame by 2 meaning it's impossible to hit even frames, right?

EDIT: I'm talking about Soul Silver Breeding btw

Princess of Johto · Dec 23rd, 2011, 5:57:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat IceArceus12

So that means you can only phone youngster joey to advance the RNG frame by 2 meaning it's impossible to hit even frames, right?

EDIT: I'm talking about Soul Silver Breeding btw

Yep, pretty much. Which kind of sucks... but in Gen 4 breeding it's pretty easy to find seeds, so it's not too big of a problem.

IceArceus12 · Dec 23rd, 2011, 5:59:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

Yep, pretty much. Which kind of sucks... but in Gen 4 breeding it's pretty easy to find seeds, so it's not too big of a problem.

The thing is I can't find any Modest Shiny Breeding Spreads with my Calibrated range of delays...Am I doing something wrong?

Zoap · Dec 23rd, 2011, 6:24:48 PM

Use a timer it will expand your range greatly and give you more to choose from.

Also to advance by 1 just accept or refuse an egg when the daycare man is holding one, so if you have a frame of 4, 1 joey call then refuse/accept the first egg and the next one should be on frame 4(things like people calling you on the phone can mess with this so be careful).

IceArceus12 · Dec 23rd, 2011, 7:15:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Zoap

Use a timer it will expand your range greatly and give you more to choose from.

Also to advance by 1 just accept or refuse an egg when the daycare man is holding one, so if you have a frame of 4, 1 joey call then refuse/accept the first egg and the next one should be on frame 4(things like people calling you on the phone can mess with this so be careful).

Thanks so much, I found a few seeds that had even frames so this should help me now!

M. Rock · Dec 24th, 2011, 2:38:32 PM

I need a little help. I am trying to catch a Hasty Palkia with near-flawless IVs (30-31/30-31/x/30-31/30-31/30-31 or have each one be about 30s or 31s) in my Platinum game. The target seed is 2611026F on Frame 4, with a delay of 611 (my average delay range is between 596 and 624). I did not bother to verify my seed, because the frame was so low (as opposed to something with two-digits, in which case I would have definitely verified the seed with coin flips).
I caught Palkia easily and got the right nature, probably because I had a Hasty Umbreon in front, and set the sych nature box in RNG reporter to Hasty. However, the IVs were pretty bad: 28/0/6/12/3/12. I did "find seed by stats" to see what I got wrong, and this is apparently what I hit: 26110266, with 37 as the seconds value and a delay of 602. My target time was 01-01-2012 on 17:00:37, so I hit the target time correctly. I have one roamer and Palkia's monster frame is 1, so 4-1-1= 2 advances, and the journal opens as soon as the game starts saying "Dugtrio was caught (DAY)", so I figure that automatically would do my required advance and I could just go for the catch.
There's more to this conundrum: my exact same target seed is not only on frame 4, but frame 2 as well, with the same PID (458FD5CE), IV spread, everything! I got a close result all right and hit my target time, but what did I do wrong?

Cereza · Dec 24th, 2011, 3:11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat M. Rock

I need a little help. I am trying to catch a Hasty Palkia with near-flawless IVs (30-31/30-31/x/30-31/30-31/30-31 or have each one be about 30s or 31s) in my Platinum game. The target seed is 2611026F on Frame 4, with a delay of 611 (my average delay range is between 596 and 624). I did not bother to verify my seed, because the frame was so low (as opposed to something with two-digits, in which case I would have definitely verified the seed with coin flips).
I caught Palkia easily and got the right nature, probably because I had a Hasty Umbreon in front, and set the sych nature box in RNG reporter to Hasty. However, the IVs were pretty bad: 28/0/6/12/3/12. I did "find seed by stats" to see what I got wrong, and this is apparently what I hit: 26110266, with 37 as the seconds value and a delay of 602. My target time was 01-01-2012 on 17:00:37, so I hit the target time correctly. I have one roamer and Palkia's monster frame is 1, so 4-1-1= 2 advances, and the journal opens as soon as the game starts saying "Dugtrio was caught (DAY)", so I figure that automatically would do my required advance and I could just go for the catch.
There's more to this conundrum: my exact same target seed is not only on frame 4, but frame 2 as well, with the same PID (458FD5CE), IV spread, everything! I got a close result all right and hit my target time, but what did I do wrong?

you're not hitting your delay. I would say that you should use eontimer to have more accurate results. Also, you hit an even delay when your target delay is odd, you would need to change the year.

i1338 · Dec 24th, 2011, 9:03:04 PM

What's the average delay for RNGing an ID/SID combo in Platinum? I know it's around 5500-6000 in HG/SS. I couldn't find this on the first page anywhere, so yeah.

DarkChaos (HCZ) · Dec 24th, 2011, 9:17:42 PM

about 7000~ish
you will need at least 80~ish sec on the second timer

any sooner and you will not be able to exit the tv on time

i1338 · Dec 24th, 2011, 10:54:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat DarkChaos (HCZ)

about 7000~ish
you will need at least 80~ish sec on the second timer

any sooner and you will not be able to exit the tv on time

Alright. At which exact moment is the ID/SID combo generated?

DarkChaos (HCZ) · Dec 24th, 2011, 10:59:45 PM

when you press a to exit the tv screen to go to the world

warning
the tv take some time before you be able to press a'
youll need to be at the tv at least roughly 20 sec before the second timer end

Princess of Johto · Dec 24th, 2011, 11:00:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat i1338

Alright. At which exact moment is the ID/SID combo generated?

After you exit the TV your ID/SID combo is generated. There's only one screen, so once you get to the TV you just have to wait for your second timer to end. Keep in mind that for a few seconds, pressing A won't do anything so get to the TV asap!

Btw, I think 6500 - 8000 is a good range for Pt, you don't have to go as high as 7000 (Iirc). Maybe 6500 is too low but I don't think it is :]

Edit: Ninja'd :P

Edit 2: You don't have to be at the TV with 20 spare seconds, I think 10-15 seconds is enough. ;)

Im M3 · Dec 25th, 2011, 3:44:10 AM

Im going to abuse roamers in HG with Post-E4 method. Ive done Pre-E4, so im familiar with it. Im just thinking, that if i have lets say Raikou and Entei roaming, to verify my seed. Then when i release the Lati would it start at frame 11 or frame 1?

Mackenzie · Dec 25th, 2011, 5:09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Im M3

Im going to abuse roamers in HG with Post-E4 method. Ive done Pre-E4, so im familiar with it. Im just thinking, that if i have lets say Raikou and Entei roaming, to verify my seed. Then when i release the Lati would it start at frame 11 or frame 1?

It would start at frame 3, assuming that you beat e4 after Lati has been ko'd.

Im M3 · Dec 25th, 2011, 5:43:03 AM

Ok thanks, that answered everything.

Mackenzie · Dec 25th, 2011, 5:48:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Im M3

Ok thanks, that answered everything.

You're welcome, did you verify and got the results you wanted? I recommend you share it on the "discuss my pokemon" thread. :)

Im M3 · Dec 25th, 2011, 6:10:40 AM

Not yet, but doing it later when i have found a good seed :d And new small question, did calling Youngster Joey adv both IRNG and normal RNG by 2?

Mackenzie · Dec 25th, 2011, 6:55:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Im M3

Not yet, but doing it later when i have found a good seed :d And new small question, did calling Youngster Joey adv both IRNG and normal RNG by 2?

yes, on the condition that Youngster Joey doesn't want a rematch. I suggest you try juggler Irwin, he's just like Prof. elm, only you don't need to go through all those other prerequisites. :) This would be helpful. 8)

Dec 23rd, 2011, 1:21:45 PM	#36230
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Dec 23rd, 2011, 5:40:32 PM	#36231
IceArceus12 Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 234	Can you only advance the PIDRNG frame by calling youngster joey or are there other methods? (On Soul Silver btw) __________________ Winner of London Gamerbase 3 3rd at VGC 2012 UK Nationals 11th at VGC 2012 World Championships IceArceus' Superstore

Dec 24th, 2011, 2:38:32 PM	#36238
M. Rock Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 414	I need a little help. I am trying to catch a Hasty Palkia with near-flawless IVs (30-31/30-31/x/30-31/30-31/30-31 or have each one be about 30s or 31s) in my Platinum game. The target seed is 2611026F on Frame 4, with a delay of 611 (my average delay range is between 596 and 624). I did not bother to verify my seed, because the frame was so low (as opposed to something with two-digits, in which case I would have definitely verified the seed with coin flips). I caught Palkia easily and got the right nature, probably because I had a Hasty Umbreon in front, and set the sych nature box in RNG reporter to Hasty. However, the IVs were pretty bad: 28/0/6/12/3/12. I did "find seed by stats" to see what I got wrong, and this is apparently what I hit: 26110266, with 37 as the seconds value and a delay of 602. My target time was 01-01-2012 on 17:00:37, so I hit the target time correctly. I have one roamer and Palkia's monster frame is 1, so 4-1-1= 2 advances, and the journal opens as soon as the game starts saying "Dugtrio was caught (DAY)", so I figure that automatically would do my required advance and I could just go for the catch. There's more to this conundrum: my exact same target seed is not only on frame 4, but frame 2 as well, with the same PID (458FD5CE), IV spread, everything! I got a close result all right and hit my target time, but what did I do wrong? __________________ My Art Thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...87#post4671787 † I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior and am proud of it! Copy and paste this if you are too.†

Dec 24th, 2011, 9:03:04 PM	#36240
i1338 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 430 Canada	What's the average delay for RNGing an ID/SID combo in Platinum? I know it's around 5500-6000 in HG/SS. I couldn't find this on the first page anywhere, so yeah. __________________ http://youtube.com/i1338

Dec 24th, 2011, 9:17:42 PM	#36241
DarkChaos (HCZ) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 647 I cannot be banned from your house!	about 7000~ish you will need at least 80~ish sec on the second timer any sooner and you will not be able to exit the tv on time __________________ 3gen rng for pros

Dec 23rd, 2011, 6:24:48 PM	#36236
Zoap Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 495 Antioch	Use a timer it will expand your range greatly and give you more to choose from. Also to advance by 1 just accept or refuse an egg when the daycare man is holding one, so if you have a frame of 4, 1 joey call then refuse/accept the first egg and the next one should be on frame 4(things like people calling you on the phone can mess with this so be careful).

Dec 24th, 2011, 10:59:45 PM	#36243
DarkChaos (HCZ) Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 647 I cannot be banned from your house!	when you press a to exit the tv screen to go to the world warning the tv take some time before you be able to press a' youll need to be at the tv at least roughly 20 sec before the second timer end __________________ 3gen rng for pros

Dec 25th, 2011, 3:44:10 AM	#36245
Im M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 192	Im going to abuse roamers in HG with Post-E4 method. Ive done Pre-E4, so im familiar with it. Im just thinking, that if i have lets say Raikou and Entei roaming, to verify my seed. Then when i release the Lati would it start at frame 11 or frame 1?

Dec 25th, 2011, 5:43:03 AM	#36247
Im M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 192	Ok thanks, that answered everything.

Dec 25th, 2011, 6:10:40 AM	#36249
Im M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 192	Not yet, but doing it later when i have found a good seed :d And new small question, did calling Youngster Joey adv both IRNG and normal RNG by 2?