Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 1452

Hozu · Dec 28th, 2011, 10:58:45 AM

Yeah they work in 4th gen too. They advance the RNG that is used by most stuff too so they're very good for DPPt when you need to advance an odd number of frames (the Journal advances by 2 frames).

i1338 · Dec 28th, 2011, 2:33:04 PM

Does using Fly affect the RNG at all in Pt/HGSS?

edit: nvm it doesn't

Zenotwapal · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:07:06 PM

I've been trying to RNG in HeartGold these past few weeks and I have been having no luck whatsoever.

So I decided to RNG a bit in B/W (which I successfully did btw, as I already know how to). However, I am itching for a 3rd or 2nd gen. flawless legendary really really REALLY badly.
So here is my issue. I can't seem to hit my delay in heartgold at all. I've done it about 15-20 times and I have never gotten within +/-5 in my delay. From what I have researched and heard, RNGing in Heartgold isn't as easy as RNGing in D/P/Pt or in Emerald.
Is this true at all? I have also heard that RNGing in Emerald is incredibly easy as it is so broken. I understand that all of these games require hitting your delay, but I guess since Emerald is broken enough, and it is apparently easier to RNG than the 4th gen games, I would start out there.

Hozu · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:08:04 PM

HG/SS RNGing is easier than all of 3rd gen for sure. IMO it's easier than DPPt too.

Zenotwapal · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Hozu

HG/SS RNGing is easier than all of 3rd gen for sure. IMO it's easier than DPPt too.

Damn. So it isn't a good idea for me to switch to Emerald RNGing?
I thought it would be easier, as Emeralds RNG is screwed up so bad.

I'm just a beginner at the 3rd/4th gen stuff, so I'm trying to decide which would be a better stepping stone for me.

Hozu · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:18:13 PM

Well it's not really easier. You have to time stuff to 1/60th of a second still instead of 1/30th of a second in 4th gen. Also because the starting seed is always 0 you'll be quite limited for spreads for non-bred pokemon.

Zenotwapal · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:20:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Hozu

Well it's not really easier. You have to time stuff to 1/60th of a second still instead of 1/30th of a second in 4th gen. Also because the starting seed is always 0 you'll be quite limited for spreads for non-bred pokemon.

Well, my problem is delays. I'm just going off from what I've heard and read is all.

I guess I should stick with it on HeartGold for now. I also have platinum to RNG in as well. which game should I start on? I think Platinum's seed confirmation method is a bit easier on me, calling elm is a pain in the ass to do. Too time consuming.

Hozu · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:21:40 PM

R/S/E RNGing is pretty much very like delays.

**V4Victini** · Dec 28th, 2011, 3:53:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat funeral_cake

Is this a bug in RNG Reporter, or am I doing something wrong?

When searching for international, non-shiny HG/SS egg PIDs, the program seems to generate normal results instead. Shiny eggs work, though.

Time finder results:

...

Main window results (normal):

...

Main window results (international):

...

Your not doing anything wrong. It looks like a bug.

Kaphotics · Dec 28th, 2011, 4:04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat V4Victini

Your not doing anything wrong. It looks like a bug.

well, why would anyone do NonShiny egg RNG and use international breeding?

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Just find non-international parents for now, it's noted.

Cereza · Dec 28th, 2011, 6:32:02 PM

In HG(English), If I have Latias and Entei Roaming and Raikou defeated since it's the one I want to capture. What would be Raikou's frame? Also, will I be able to RNG the other two If I capture Raikou?

Kaphotics · Dec 28th, 2011, 6:46:21 PM

Raikou would be frame 1 if no other ones are being regenerated.

Without the others to regenerate, it would be the first and only one to use calls.

3 Roamer Regeneration callstruct:

Code:

PID PID IV  IV  Route | PID PID IV  IV  Route | PID PID IV  IV  Route
1   2   3   4   5     | 6   7   8    9   10   | 11  12  13  14  15

Hence why they are 1/6/11 if all need to be regenerated.

Hozu · Dec 28th, 2011, 6:51:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cereza

In HG(English), If I have Latias and Entei Roaming and Raikou defeated since it's the one I want to capture. What would be Raikou's frame? Also, will I be able to RNG the other two If I capture Raikou?

You can but you have to leave Raikou roaming. Do NOT capture it right away. Once all 3 roamers are RNGd you may capture them. So once you verify that Raikou has your desired spread, reset the game w/o saving so it's still roaming, faint the next Roamer, and repeat the process until all 3 Roamers have their desired spreads. Then capture them.

Well unless you use the RadioSeed.exe program I guess. I've never used it myself though.

Cereza · Dec 28th, 2011, 6:59:48 PM

Thank you guys! You're awesome! <3

BoltsFromAbove · Dec 28th, 2011, 10:39:18 PM

Hey guys, can you figure out what I'm doing wrong in HG? I got a Diglett in a shiny egg, but what I'm having trouble with is trying to get him flawless. No matter what seed I used, and landing on the correct delay and frames, he still came out with abysmal IVs. I've only learned to RNG for shiny, flawless pokes recently; I have done 5 so far without much trouble...except for this one. I honestly have no idea what I'm doing wrong with this.

Princess of Johto · Dec 28th, 2011, 10:58:35 PM

If you know you hit your delay, the NPC could possibly be messing with your frame and causing you to hit a frame that's one or two above your target frame. Try turning on your game and waiting a couple of seconds, then resaving. That will change the NPC's advancements, so maybe next time you hit your delay he won't advance by anything. And make sure you pause the game and talk to the DC man as fast as you can.

If the NPC isn't the problem, then I don't know what would be.

BoltsFromAbove · Dec 28th, 2011, 11:04:24 PM

Yeah I've been pretty quick to get my egg, so that's definitely not the problem. I doubt it's the NPC either, but anything is worth a try!

Princess of Johto · Dec 28th, 2011, 11:07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat BoltsFromAbove

I doubt it's the NPC either, but anything is worth a try!

If you were able to get flawless eggs before, then the NPC most likely is the problem :P

So try resaving and good luck!

funeral_cake · Dec 28th, 2011, 11:18:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Kaphotics

well, why would anyone do NonShiny egg RNG and use international breeding?

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Just find non-international parents for now, it's noted.

It just seemed like an easier option for what I was doing. I didn't want a shiny, and the only good Ditto (or any other parents, for that matter) I had in the game was one I transferred over from my Japanese SS game.

Rather than doing a bunch of trial and error to get the right PID and RNGing a new Ditto, I figured I'd use what I had already. Why do more work when I don't have to, right?

It was easy enough to work around, and I know it's a pretty situational thing, but I just wanted to notify you guys if there was a problem (and if I wasn't doing something wrong).

BoltsFromAbove · Dec 29th, 2011, 1:59:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

If you were able to get flawless eggs before, then the NPC most likely is the problem :P

So try resaving and good luck!

Yay you were right, thank you! For future reference, how do you know when the NPCs have moved? Because prior to this, both the policeman and daycare man were both staring to the left anyway. Even though I saw no changes during your instruction, I waited a few seconds like you said and somehow it works!

Princess of Johto · Dec 29th, 2011, 2:01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat BoltsFromAbove

Yay you were right, thank you! For future reference, how do you know when the NPCs have moved? Because prior to this, both the policeman and daycare man were both staring to the left anyway. Even though I saw no changes during your instruction, I waited a few seconds like you said and somehow it works!

There's a moving NPC at the bottom of the Route, so you can't see him when he moves (he's the only one that does). So you can't really tell if you're going to have to resave or not, you're just going to have to hope that he doesn't move. But most of the time, he won't if you're fast enough :)

If he does, just resave like you did this time.

BoltsFromAbove · Dec 29th, 2011, 2:03:16 AM

Ah I see, thanks again!

Princess Emily · Dec 29th, 2011, 12:14:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Princess of Johto

There's a moving NPC at the bottom of the Route, so you can't see him when he moves (he's the only one that does). So you can't really tell if you're going to have to resave or not, you're just going to have to hope that he doesn't move. But most of the time, he won't if you're fast enough :)

If he does, just resave like you did this time.

It's also easy if there are roamers left, as you can check if you hit your seed faster, using the roamer method.
Although using elm calls will also let you know if the NPC moved or not. If it moved, then the elm responses might have been skipped by (roamer's advances + NPC advances) frames.
Usually in my experience, the NPC will advance 2 frames sometimes, even if you mash the A button (or the lower right section of the touch screen)

Hozu · Dec 29th, 2011, 12:17:52 PM

For me the NPC advances either 0 frames or 2 frames (very rarely 3 frames). The amount it advances will be constant until you save your game again.

Princess of Johto · Dec 29th, 2011, 3:26:12 PM

Usually for me he advances once or twice, but then when I exit the pause menu and take the egg he doesn't advance most of the time.

Dec 28th, 2011, 10:58:45 AM	#36276
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,178 Orre	Yeah they work in 4th gen too. They advance the RNG that is used by most stuff too so they're very good for DPPt when you need to advance an odd number of frames (the Journal advances by 2 frames). __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Dec 28th, 2011, 2:33:04 PM	#36277
i1338 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 430 Canada	Does using Fly affect the RNG at all in Pt/HGSS? edit: nvm it doesn't __________________ http://youtube.com/i1338 Last edited by i1338; Dec 28th, 2011 at 2:53:29 PM.

Dec 28th, 2011, 3:07:06 PM	#36278
Zenotwapal Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 201 The South y'all	I've been trying to RNG in HeartGold these past few weeks and I have been having no luck whatsoever. So I decided to RNG a bit in B/W (which I successfully did btw, as I already know how to). However, I am itching for a 3rd or 2nd gen. flawless legendary really really REALLY badly. So here is my issue. I can't seem to hit my delay in heartgold at all. I've done it about 15-20 times and I have never gotten within +/-5 in my delay. From what I have researched and heard, RNGing in Heartgold isn't as easy as RNGing in D/P/Pt or in Emerald. Is this true at all? I have also heard that RNGing in Emerald is incredibly easy as it is so broken. I understand that all of these games require hitting your delay, but I guess since Emerald is broken enough, and it is apparently easier to RNG than the 4th gen games, I would start out there. __________________

Dec 28th, 2011, 3:08:04 PM	#36279
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,178 Orre	HG/SS RNGing is easier than all of 3rd gen for sure. IMO it's easier than DPPt too. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Dec 28th, 2011, 3:18:13 PM	#36281
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,178 Orre	Well it's not really easier. You have to time stuff to 1/60th of a second still instead of 1/30th of a second in 4th gen. Also because the starting seed is always 0 you'll be quite limited for spreads for non-bred pokemon. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Dec 28th, 2011, 3:21:40 PM	#36283
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,178 Orre	R/S/E RNGing is pretty much very like delays. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Dec 28th, 2011, 6:32:02 PM	#36286
Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,143 Long Island	In HG(English), If I have Latias and Entei Roaming and Raikou defeated since it's the one I want to capture. What would be Raikou's frame? Also, will I be able to RNG the other two If I capture Raikou? __________________ The flower that blooms in adversity is the rarest and most beautiful of all.

Dec 28th, 2011, 6:46:21 PM	#36287
Kaphotics Remodeling Kitchens Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 758 Berkeley, CA	Raikou would be frame 1 if no other ones are being regenerated. Without the others to regenerate, it would be the first and only one to use calls. 3 Roamer Regeneration callstruct: Code: PID PID IV IV Route \| PID PID IV IV Route \| PID PID IV IV Route 1 2 3 4 5 \| 6 7 8 9 10 \| 11 12 13 14 15 Hence why they are 1/6/11 if all need to be regenerated.

Dec 28th, 2011, 6:59:48 PM	#36289
Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,143 Long Island	Thank you guys! You're awesome! <3 __________________ The flower that blooms in adversity is the rarest and most beautiful of all.

Dec 28th, 2011, 10:39:18 PM	#36290
BoltsFromAbove Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4	Hey guys, can you figure out what I'm doing wrong in HG? I got a Diglett in a shiny egg, but what I'm having trouble with is trying to get him flawless. No matter what seed I used, and landing on the correct delay and frames, he still came out with abysmal IVs. I've only learned to RNG for shiny, flawless pokes recently; I have done 5 so far without much trouble...except for this one. I honestly have no idea what I'm doing wrong with this. Last edited by BoltsFromAbove; Dec 29th, 2011 at 2:01:57 AM.

Dec 28th, 2011, 10:58:35 PM	#36291
Princess of Johto Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,630 Ohio	If you know you hit your delay, the NPC could possibly be messing with your frame and causing you to hit a frame that's one or two above your target frame. Try turning on your game and waiting a couple of seconds, then resaving. That will change the NPC's advancements, so maybe next time you hit your delay he won't advance by anything. And make sure you pause the game and talk to the DC man as fast as you can. If the NPC isn't the problem, then I don't know what would be. __________________ » My Pokemon » BW Entralink PID+IV abuse guide » BW ID/SID+shiny starter abuse guide » HGSS Safari Zone abuse guide » Pokecheck Box

Dec 28th, 2011, 11:04:24 PM	#36292
BoltsFromAbove Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4	Yeah I've been pretty quick to get my egg, so that's definitely not the problem. I doubt it's the NPC either, but anything is worth a try!

Dec 29th, 2011, 2:03:16 AM	#36297
BoltsFromAbove Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4	Ah I see, thanks again!

Dec 29th, 2011, 12:17:52 PM	#36299
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,178 Orre	For me the NPC advances either 0 frames or 2 frames (very rarely 3 frames). The amount it advances will be constant until you save your game again. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.

Dec 29th, 2011, 3:26:12 PM	#36300
Princess of Johto Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,630 Ohio	Usually for me he advances once or twice, but then when I exit the pause menu and take the egg he doesn't advance most of the time. __________________ » My Pokemon » BW Entralink PID+IV abuse guide » BW ID/SID+shiny starter abuse guide » HGSS Safari Zone abuse guide » Pokecheck Box