Smogon University PO Statistics — December 2011 - Page 2

Avira · Dec 31st, 2011, 5:48:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Omicron

Actually Poliwrath was NU except apparently nobody realized it -___-

Poliwrath has been RU (Not NU) for quite a while.

**Mario With Lasers** · Dec 31st, 2011, 5:49:41 PM

NU and UU will see a shitload of metagame shifts but I don't care, FUCK YEAH ALAKAZAM IN OU

steviestar · Dec 31st, 2011, 5:49:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Omicron

Actually Poliwrath was NU except apparently nobody realized it -___-

I haven't looked through the old usage stat threads but Poliwrath has been listed as RU in the smogondex and unavailable in the NU ladder for the past three months. That would be a really huge mistake.

ThatsMyLatios · Dec 31st, 2011, 5:58:56 PM

Damn it, My UU team just got sniped, ah well Im looking forward to using a bronzong in UU

LucaroarkZ · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:04:19 PM

Well at least there's no more Chansey in UU.

Great, I do not want to have to use Weavile to deal with Scarf Flygon in UU. What? Weavile's weak to Stealth Rock!

Anyway, we need to make a BL3 tier because Swellow will be breaking NU now that Klinklang, Magneton, and Rhydon are gone.

I'm sorry, but... Druddigon in RU now? Is there really anything good about it?

Mexifry · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:05:17 PM

I think everyone is thinking, "HOLY SHIT DUGTRIO OMG"
Gastrodon eat your heart out. Dugtrio is the new Smogon Love Child.

Also Alakazam is one of my favorite pokemon, so its cool to see him get used more.

UU losing Donphan is pretty big news as well.

But seriously this is crazy news. Im making a video right now mentioning all the highlights so I can be first on youtube.

steviestar · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:10:20 PM

I think the NU Swellow hype is a little much. There are still a lot of stops to it, including Golem, Regirock, and Alomomola. It's not like Staraptor in UU where it could CC anything that walled it (bar Rhyperior) for a 2HKO. It also kills itself really quickly with BB recoil, poison, and a SR weakness, and it doesn't resist any priority moves (except shadow sneak lol) and can't switch in on anything. It at least deserves a fair chance before everyone collectively decides that it's broken.

TropiOUs · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:17:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat steviestar

I think the NU Swellow hype is a little much. There are still a lot of stops to it, including Golem, Regirock, and Alomomola. It's not like Staraptor in UU where it could CC anything that walled it (bar Rhyperior) for a 2HKO. It also kills itself really quickly with BB recoil, poison, and a SR weakness, and it doesn't resist any priority moves (except shadow sneak lol) and can't switch in on anything. It at least deserves a fair chance before everyone collectively decides that it's broken.

The thing is that Brave Bird is not Swellow scariest move,Facade is.Actually Swellow is using Facede most of time unless Ghost-type and even then it might be using U-Turn to get out of those.It has some checks and counters but all of them are dealt with a Fighting type that is strongth enough to do the job.
Just hoping Quick Attack Swellow doesnt become Popular so my kid Sneasel can stop him.

DetroitLolcat · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:26:57 PM

Well, UU just got fucked over.

Also RU just got a fucking Cresselia.

gg GG al non-OU teams.

Raikaria · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:28:10 PM

Klingklang out of NU?

BRB, making Altaria team, seeing as the only useable Steel is gone, so I can spam Outrage.

EDIT: And now I've looked over other stuff

Chansey out of UU: Hell yeah. Might actually re-start playing it now special attackers aren't useless.

Swampert into UU: Poor thing finally fell. He wasn't useless, he was a good TANK... but tanks are not that useful in B/W, and Swampert dosen't exactly benifit from Rain with his neutrality to Water. Swampert is a good mon... it's just that he gets left by the wayside in the B/W metagame. Not that many mons can boast his bulk, power [on both sides] excellent STABs, 1 weakness to an uncommon type, Rocks, and Roar...

Also, Cress in RU. LOL. How long until it gets the boot.

NU's gone from being pretty balanced to a mess. There's literally nothing to stop Magmortar, Gorybass or Altaria now that Klingklang and Slowking have gone, and NU Stall basically just died, with... it's whole team pretty much leaving. Swellow + Sawk also pretty much destroys stuff [U-Turn to Scarf Sawk when need be.]

MikeDecIsHere · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:30:48 PM

Swampert actually might be useful in UU

breh · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:32:01 PM

lol UU zong that's rich

Thundur · Dec 31st, 2011, 6:57:54 PM

Volt Turn is dominating the metagame as always. This sickens me. Tyranitar / Scizor / Rotom-W / Landorus / Filler / Filler is the layout of most of the teams I run into while laddering. Tell me how much skill it takes to copy a volt turn team and use it successfully.

58 | Slowbro | 2.704% This thing needs more love. He counters a lot of common threats in to OU metagame like Dragonite, Terrakion, Landorus, and pretty much all physical attackers.

Victoree · Dec 31st, 2011, 7:01:30 PM

I'm glad to see Alakazam in OU, as well as Dugtrio and Chansey. I now love OU even more :)

Nubagator · Dec 31st, 2011, 7:03:42 PM

Dang I'm gunna be getting into UU this round, it looks awesome :D, sucks that Nu lost a lot of their fun stuff though. Volturn dominating as per usual earn to breloom :s
Oh and thanks a bunch for the stats :D

Smaug · Dec 31st, 2011, 7:12:33 PM

In all seriousness, what is so good about Dugtrio? Yes, it has Arena Trap and that great speed, but it's very frail and rather weak. It needs Focus Sash, which leaves it extremely vulnerable to hazards. Why does it deserve to be OU?

Lady Salamence · Dec 31st, 2011, 7:13:23 PM

revenge killing

Thundur · Dec 31st, 2011, 7:14:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Smaug

In all seriousness, what is so good about Dugtrio? Yes, it has Arena Trap and that great speed, but it's very frail and rather weak. It needs Focus Sash, which leaves it extremely vulnerable to hazards. Why does it deserve to be OU?

It's not his traits wich make him OU, but the Pokemon he can take on. Terrakion, Tyranitar, Ninetails, Jirachi, and a lot of other common Pokemon can be trapped and killed by Dugtrio.

Smaug · Dec 31st, 2011, 7:21:19 PM

Actually, I just did a few calcs, and I stand corrected. Even with no boosting item, Duggy 2HKOs those threats you mentioned, with Sash allowing it to get in that final hit. I think it definitely deserves to be OU (just make sure to have a spinner).

Joeyboy · Dec 31st, 2011, 8:28:11 PM

Hell yeah thanks Antar!!!!!

Wow the 1337 stats for OU are interesting. THREE over 40%!!!! Wowza, Tyranitar, Scizor, Rotom are gettin' some serious love. But glad to see Breloom's massive 1337 jump, def due to the new BU set :D

Also interesting to see Chincou as #2 in LC, didn't see toooooo many of them. Not like Mienfoo.

UU losing Donphan sucks haha

Keiran · Dec 31st, 2011, 8:47:56 PM

NO NO NO NO NO NOT CRESSELIA FUCK also NO NO NO NO NO NO NOT SIGILYPH FUCK

atleast, we get Golurk back, and Spiritomb will be an interesting addition.

I wanted Nidoqueen to drop :(

And yes! Swampert in uu :D

SHUCKLE MAN · Dec 31st, 2011, 8:56:46 PM

Wow. So strange that Chansey is back in OU. All the UU players seem to be very happy she left lol. That whole metagame will change a lot, losing and gaining such massive Pokemon.

And generic wow @ Dugtrio's tier jump.

Mexifry · Dec 31st, 2011, 8:58:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SHUCKLE MAN

Wow. So strange that Chansey is back in OU. All the UU players seem to be very happy she left lol. That whole metagame will change a lot, losing and gaining such massive Pokemon.

And generic wow @ Dugtrio's tier jump.

I think losing Donphan was a bigger hit but then again I never play UU

Banedon · Dec 31st, 2011, 9:02:46 PM

Lol @ how badly the No Arceus challenge biased Ubers stats.

Dialga taking over #1 in 1337 Ubers stats? Blasphemy!

Alakazam to OU is a good thing, I do think it's a bit too strong for UU no matter what the council may think.

Chansey leaving UU is nice. I'm firmly against Chansey being too strong for UU, but it leaving means considerably more flexibility with special sweepers.

Heracross totally dominating 1337 UU stats, seriously?

I don't remember if I played enough to actually influence any 1337 statistic, damnit, if I didn't I'd better make sure to do it next month!

2sly4u · Dec 31st, 2011, 9:13:37 PM

Of all the pokemon who changed tiers, Donphan is the most surprising to me. He doesn't fare well against the multitudes of Special attackers in the tier, and doesn't get any large benefits from Sandstorm (and get destroyed by all the other weathers). I guess he can check a few pokemon, but so many top-tier threats can just use him as setup bait. Duggy's sudden rise isn't that shocking to me; I don't know how he stayed buried at the bottom for so long.

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:04:19 PM	#30
LucaroarkZ Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,104 San Diego, CA	Well at least there's no more Chansey in UU. Great, I do not want to have to use Weavile to deal with Scarf Flygon in UU. What? Weavile's weak to Stealth Rock! Anyway, we need to make a BL3 tier because Swellow will be breaking NU now that Klinklang, Magneton, and Rhydon are gone. I'm sorry, but... Druddigon in RU now? Is there really anything good about it? __________________ "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand." - Milton Friedman

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:26:57 PM	#34
DetroitLolcat It's Great! To Be! A Michigan Wolverine! Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,795	Well, UU just got fucked over. Also RU just got a fucking Cresselia. gg GG al non-OU teams. __________________ Favorite Pokemon-Swampert- formerly OU and staying that way. Cats are awesome, the best kind of cat is the Detroit Lion! http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11556879

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:28:10 PM	#35
Raikaria Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,165	Klingklang out of NU? BRB, making Altaria team, seeing as the only useable Steel is gone, so I can spam Outrage. EDIT: And now I've looked over other stuff Chansey out of UU: Hell yeah. Might actually re-start playing it now special attackers aren't useless. Swampert into UU: Poor thing finally fell. He wasn't useless, he was a good TANK... but tanks are not that useful in B/W, and Swampert dosen't exactly benifit from Rain with his neutrality to Water. Swampert is a good mon... it's just that he gets left by the wayside in the B/W metagame. Not that many mons can boast his bulk, power [on both sides] excellent STABs, 1 weakness to an uncommon type, Rocks, and Roar... Also, Cress in RU. LOL. How long until it gets the boot. NU's gone from being pretty balanced to a mess. There's literally nothing to stop Magmortar, Gorybass or Altaria now that Klingklang and Slowking have gone, and NU Stall basically just died, with... it's whole team pretty much leaving. Swellow + Sawk also pretty much destroys stuff [U-Turn to Scarf Sawk when need be.] Last edited by Raikaria; Dec 31st, 2011 at 6:39:20 PM.

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:30:48 PM	#36
MikeDecIsHere Laying the Groundwork for the Pound Work Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831 Staten Island Mentor	Swampert actually might be useful in UU __________________

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:32:01 PM	#37
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,936	lol UU zong that's rich __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Dec 31st, 2011, 5:58:56 PM	#29
ThatsMyLatios Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 948	Damn it, My UU team just got sniped, ah well Im looking forward to using a bronzong in UU

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:05:17 PM	#31
Mexifry Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 11 USA	I think everyone is thinking, "HOLY SHIT DUGTRIO OMG" Gastrodon eat your heart out. Dugtrio is the new Smogon Love Child. Also Alakazam is one of my favorite pokemon, so its cool to see him get used more. UU losing Donphan is pretty big news as well. But seriously this is crazy news. Im making a video right now mentioning all the highlights so I can be first on youtube.

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:10:20 PM	#32
steviestar Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 148	I think the NU Swellow hype is a little much. There are still a lot of stops to it, including Golem, Regirock, and Alomomola. It's not like Staraptor in UU where it could CC anything that walled it (bar Rhyperior) for a 2HKO. It also kills itself really quickly with BB recoil, poison, and a SR weakness, and it doesn't resist any priority moves (except shadow sneak lol) and can't switch in on anything. It at least deserves a fair chance before everyone collectively decides that it's broken.

Dec 31st, 2011, 6:57:54 PM	#38
Thundur Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 436 in a galaxy far, far away...	Volt Turn is dominating the metagame as always. This sickens me. Tyranitar / Scizor / Rotom-W / Landorus / Filler / Filler is the layout of most of the teams I run into while laddering. Tell me how much skill it takes to copy a volt turn team and use it successfully. 58 \| Slowbro \| 2.704% This thing needs more love. He counters a lot of common threats in to OU metagame like Dragonite, Terrakion, Landorus, and pretty much all physical attackers. __________________ nope

Dec 31st, 2011, 7:01:30 PM	#39
Victoree Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13 Pennsylvania	I'm glad to see Alakazam in OU, as well as Dugtrio and Chansey. I now love OU even more :)

Dec 31st, 2011, 7:03:42 PM	#40
Nubagator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 166 Far over the misty mountains cold	Dang I'm gunna be getting into UU this round, it looks awesome :D, sucks that Nu lost a lot of their fun stuff though. Volturn dominating as per usual earn to breloom :s Oh and thanks a bunch for the stats :D __________________ trollmonchan: my sister asked me to zip up her dress Ant of Ruin: troll is into incest Ant of Ruin: you would bang her right trollmonchan: ya

Dec 31st, 2011, 7:12:33 PM	#41
Smaug Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 235	In all seriousness, what is so good about Dugtrio? Yes, it has Arena Trap and that great speed, but it's very frail and rather weak. It needs Focus Sash, which leaves it extremely vulnerable to hazards. Why does it deserve to be OU? __________________ My Pokemon Pearl Gauntlet Challenge

Dec 31st, 2011, 7:13:23 PM	#42
Lady Salamence radda radda Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,277 ROFL ROFL ROFL	revenge killing __________________ oh dear [sigpic] broke

Dec 31st, 2011, 7:21:19 PM	#44
Smaug Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 235	Actually, I just did a few calcs, and I stand corrected. Even with no boosting item, Duggy 2HKOs those threats you mentioned, with Sash allowing it to get in that final hit. I think it definitely deserves to be OU (just make sure to have a spinner). __________________ My Pokemon Pearl Gauntlet Challenge

Dec 31st, 2011, 8:28:11 PM	#45
Joeyboy Once upon a time, there lived a boy Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,223 Art by Bummer Mentor	Hell yeah thanks Antar!!!!! Wow the 1337 stats for OU are interesting. THREE over 40%!!!! Wowza, Tyranitar, Scizor, Rotom are gettin' some serious love. But glad to see Breloom's massive 1337 jump, def due to the new BU set :D Also interesting to see Chincou as #2 in LC, didn't see toooooo many of them. Not like Mienfoo. UU losing Donphan sucks haha __________________ VM for an OU Rate \| Latest OU Mini-Tour \| Smog Work

Dec 31st, 2011, 8:47:56 PM	#46
Keiran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 441 memory is ram	NO NO NO NO NO NOT CRESSELIA FUCK also NO NO NO NO NO NO NOT SIGILYPH FUCK atleast, we get Golurk back, and Spiritomb will be an interesting addition. I wanted Nidoqueen to drop :( And yes! Swampert in uu :D __________________ http://i.imgur.com/V3gVE.png http://i.imgur.com/DtPw4.png

Dec 31st, 2011, 8:56:46 PM	#47
SHUCKLE MAN Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,083	Wow. So strange that Chansey is back in OU. All the UU players seem to be very happy she left lol. That whole metagame will change a lot, losing and gaining such massive Pokemon. And generic wow @ Dugtrio's tier jump. __________________ Shedinja fainted!

Dec 31st, 2011, 9:02:46 PM	#49
Banedon Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 903	Lol @ how badly the No Arceus challenge biased Ubers stats. Dialga taking over #1 in 1337 Ubers stats? Blasphemy! Alakazam to OU is a good thing, I do think it's a bit too strong for UU no matter what the council may think. Chansey leaving UU is nice. I'm firmly against Chansey being too strong for UU, but it leaving means considerably more flexibility with special sweepers. Heracross totally dominating 1337 UU stats, seriously? I don't remember if I played enough to actually influence any 1337 statistic, damnit, if I didn't I'd better make sure to do it next month! __________________ Half the people on this forum are extremely rude in-game. If you believe in politeness both in-battle and outside it, put this in your signature. UU Warstory: What do I do next?

Dec 31st, 2011, 9:13:37 PM	#50
2sly4u Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 535 I'm comfy and easy to wear.	Of all the pokemon who changed tiers, Donphan is the most surprising to me. He doesn't fare well against the multitudes of Special attackers in the tier, and doesn't get any large benefits from Sandstorm (and get destroyed by all the other weathers). I guess he can check a few pokemon, but so many top-tier threats can just use him as setup bait. Duggy's sudden rise isn't that shocking to me; I don't know how he stayed buried at the bottom for so long.