Ubers CCAT: Stage 3 - Teammates - Page 12

Mr.lol · Dec 24th, 2011, 9:46:47 PM

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Kabutops can function similarly to Omastar, only it has access to Low Kick, which can do truckloads to SpDef Ferro, Ekiller, and Dialga, something other rain sweepers would die for. It can even run Rapid Spin should this team need it to. Its kinda frail, so it too will need Wobb support.

Well actually... Omastar blows 80% into Ferrothorn that try walling it, can revenge Exkiller at +2 since it OHKOes it with HPUMP after rocks to those that invest 132 evs in HP while ARceus does a trollish 40% percent back. In fact all the Pokes you listed don't even want to switch into Omastar after (not while or before) it smashes lol.

Omastar gets Shell Smash which enables it to sweep really nicely. If it dies in the process Deoxys-a can finish the job up. I think thats what qualifies it a spot over anything else. Mixdra does the same but we can replace Oma over terra while still not fearing Arceus sweeps :P.

**Furai** · Dec 29th, 2011, 5:37:15 PM

I've tested for a while Kabutops over Terrakion, and it does seem like the better option.
Swords Dance worked very well, but since our team is very Spikes weak, I went with Rapid Spin and Choice Band, so both Deoxys-A and Kabutops will wallbreak for eachother.

Team Right Now

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Electro Gypsy · Dec 30th, 2011, 7:38:14 PM

Are you sure Ghostceus needs to run WoW anymore? E Killer seems like it has 0 room to ever set up an SD. Perish Song may be a worthy option if bulky CM ogre manages to be last mon. CM might be nice too, since this team easily removes Darkrai, the blobs, and has a solid check to Ho Oh in Kabutops. Adamant is an option on Kabutops too, since im pretty sure it can outspeed Scarf Palkia, unless its Jolly for Scarf Skymin.

**Furai** · Jan 1st, 2012, 2:01:41 PM

Alright, I'm going to make this point clear since I was asked on mIRC about this as well:

You can, and should, make any neccessary changes that you think that should be made, test them, and come back with results that will be put up for discussion.

I will test both Perish Song and CM on Ghostceus, and as for Kabutops I went for Jolly and 176 Speed EVs as it lets you outspeed +1 base 110s by 3 points.

Go10 · Jan 1st, 2012, 2:10:35 PM

I dont understand why you're using Kabutops, in Bander which is even worse. Thanks to that, Rayquaza walk through the team easily, you should remove it, he doesnt fit the team at all. Also, I dont see the point of using Wobbuffet, yeah he remove scarfer but well, I've the feeling he waste a slot, we better just wall these things by switching around (Hell, there is only Kyogre and Palkia who are extremely common in scarf, its not like we dont think about them when we're building a team).

**Furai** · Jan 1st, 2012, 4:42:15 PM

Wobbuffet hasn't been doing a lot from what I experienced during the testings., so I suppose ot could be replaced. The question that remains is by who. Maybe a Spinner to free up the slot on Kabutops, or perhaps a Spiker like Ferrothorn. I'll brainstorm along, until then keep these posts coming~

Electro Gypsy · Jan 1st, 2012, 7:22:06 PM

Kabutops had its share of issues, but it was certainly better than Terrakion. Wobb use really lays in the player. Its a pokemon you have to get used to using. Its great against both offensive and defensive pokemon. The safeguard variant we're using is better for stuff like DD Rayquaza Double Dancer Terrakion, Double Dance Groudon, and SD Dragon Arceus. I believe a Tickle variant might be useful along side a strong user of Pursuit like Scizor. Scizor also somewhat helps with the Rayquaza issue, doing a meaty 60% to 4/0 Ray.

**Furai** · Jan 6th, 2012, 7:11:44 AM

I honestly didn't understand what you said Gypsy; I think that Wobbuffet is currently partly useless for our team. If we do use Scizor like you said, the only spot is over Wobbuffet, which really explains why it should be replaced.

**Furai** · Jan 18th, 2012, 9:26:13 AM

This has been dead for quite a long time now; revive this please.

locoghoul · Jan 18th, 2012, 7:49:35 PM

I say let's focus on either Darkrai or Skymin (3rd choice goes to Zekrom)

**Furai** · Jan 19th, 2012, 1:23:04 AM

Are you calling a full-revamp, loco? Because if so we already have some plans.

Mr.lol · Jan 19th, 2012, 1:35:03 AM

NO NOT ANOTHER SWEEPER PLEASE DEO-A was torture (excuse the caps). I say we sub wobba for Scizor in order to get dragon resist (since we already agreed the blue-blob-who-must-not-be-named sucks) and free switches via U-turn :D. Can also pursuit Gira-o when its about to die :P (who is major deo-a annoyance).

If we do go for another mon I say we do BU Dialga, or a new vote (CB Ferro anyone? Chesto Resto Ogre sounds fun too!)!

locoghoul · Jan 19th, 2012, 2:04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Furai

Are you calling a full-revamp, loco? Because if so we already have some plans.

The thread hasn't seen much updates, has it? I guess either ppl lost interest or they ran out of ideas. Maybe with other pokes it will be easier to create a team, I don't know. I was just suggesting but if you have other plans then go for it. Better to have some activity (even if it's not the original thought) than no activity at all.

shrang · Jan 29th, 2012, 6:27:04 PM

Yeah, this seems to have hit a massive road-block. I'd just suggest that we get people submit in their own teams, we vote for our favourite, and then fine-tune that one with some laddering and threat eliminating.

**Furai** · Jan 31st, 2012, 11:20:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat shrang

Yeah, this seems to have hit a massive road-block. I'd just suggest that we get people submit in their own teams, we vote for our favourite, and then fine-tune that one with some laddering and threat eliminating.

I'm all for this; seems like the only way to revive this CCAT.

I've already submitted the team I use, so let's go people - submit your teams!

shrang · Feb 8th, 2012, 4:08:01 AM

Yeah well, I've submitted the team that I've used earlier, but I'll put it here:

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Gyro Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Toxic

Zekrom @ Leftovers
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 200 SAtk / 56 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Thunder Wave
- Bolt Strike
- Draco Meteor
- Volt Switch

Palkia @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
- Spacial Rend
- Surf

Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 200 HP / 56 Atk / 252 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Superpower

Arceus @ Silk Scarf / Lum Berry
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 168 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- ExtremeSpeed
- Shadow Claw
- Earthquake

Deoxys-A @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 12 Atk / 252 SAtk / 244 Spd
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
- Psycho Boost
- Superpower
- Shadow Ball
- ExtremeSpeed

**Furai** · Feb 10th, 2012, 1:54:09 PM

Okay guys, I'm sorry it didn't work out. I have learned my lesson to keep the CCAT high all the time, and for the next time I will do it better.

However, I hope that you guys learned to not ditch the CCAT in the middle of its progress, as it simply kills it.

Bojangles started a new one with a great niche, go check it out!

View Poll Results: Vote!
Stall Mewtwo	4	7.14%
Baton Pass Mew	1	1.79%
Deoxys-A	19	33.93%
Substitute + Swords Dance Garchomp	7	12.50%
Bulk Up Dialga	1	1.79%
Darkrai	8	14.29%
Substitute + Leech Seed Shaymin-S	4	7.14%
Choice Specs Arceus	1	1.79%
Calm Mind Dark Arceus	2	3.57%
Calm Mind Electric Arceus	1	1.79%
Nasty Plot Thundurus	3	5.36%
Choice Band Zekrom	5	8.93%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

Dec 29th, 2011, 5:37:15 PM	#277
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	I've tested for a while Kabutops over Terrakion, and it does seem like the better option. Swords Dance worked very well, but since our team is very Spikes weak, I went with Rapid Spin and Choice Band, so both Deoxys-A and Kabutops will wallbreak for eachother. Team Right Now Kyogre @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 64 HP / 252 SAtk / 192 Spd Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Water Spout - Surf - Ice Beam - Thunder Deoxys-A @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 12 Atk / 252 SAtk / 244 Spd Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef) - Psycho Boost - ExtremeSpeed - Superpower - Shadow Ball Kabutops (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Rapid Spin - Stone Edge - Waterfall - Low Kick Wobbuffet (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Shadow Tag EVs: 28 HP / 228 Def / 252 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Encore - Mirror Coat - Counter - Safeguard Dialga @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 92 SAtk / 140 SDef / 24 Spd Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Stealth Rock - Dragon Pulse - Roar - Fire Blast Arceus-Ghost @ Spooky Plate Trait: Multitype EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Will-O-Wisp - Recover - Judgment - Focus Blast gogogogogogo __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT) Last edited by Furai; Dec 30th, 2011 at 6:48:21 AM.

Jan 1st, 2012, 2:01:41 PM	#279
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	Alright, I'm going to make this point clear since I was asked on mIRC about this as well: You can, and should, make any neccessary changes that you think that should be made, test them, and come back with results that will be put up for discussion. I will test both Perish Song and CM on Ghostceus, and as for Kabutops I went for Jolly and 176 Speed EVs as it lets you outspeed +1 base 110s by 3 points. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jan 1st, 2012, 4:42:15 PM	#281
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	Wobbuffet hasn't been doing a lot from what I experienced during the testings., so I suppose ot could be replaced. The question that remains is by who. Maybe a Spinner to free up the slot on Kabutops, or perhaps a Spiker like Ferrothorn. I'll brainstorm along, until then keep these posts coming~ __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jan 6th, 2012, 7:11:44 AM	#283
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	I honestly didn't understand what you said Gypsy; I think that Wobbuffet is currently partly useless for our team. If we do use Scizor like you said, the only spot is over Wobbuffet, which really explains why it should be replaced. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Dec 30th, 2011, 7:38:14 PM	#278
Electro Gypsy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 46	Are you sure Ghostceus needs to run WoW anymore? E Killer seems like it has 0 room to ever set up an SD. Perish Song may be a worthy option if bulky CM ogre manages to be last mon. CM might be nice too, since this team easily removes Darkrai, the blobs, and has a solid check to Ho Oh in Kabutops. Adamant is an option on Kabutops too, since im pretty sure it can outspeed Scarf Palkia, unless its Jolly for Scarf Skymin.

Jan 1st, 2012, 2:10:35 PM	#280
Go10 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 775	I dont understand why you're using Kabutops, in Bander which is even worse. Thanks to that, Rayquaza walk through the team easily, you should remove it, he doesnt fit the team at all. Also, I dont see the point of using Wobbuffet, yeah he remove scarfer but well, I've the feeling he waste a slot, we better just wall these things by switching around (Hell, there is only Kyogre and Palkia who are extremely common in scarf, its not like we dont think about them when we're building a team).

Jan 1st, 2012, 7:22:06 PM	#282
Electro Gypsy Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 46	Kabutops had its share of issues, but it was certainly better than Terrakion. Wobb use really lays in the player. Its a pokemon you have to get used to using. Its great against both offensive and defensive pokemon. The safeguard variant we're using is better for stuff like DD Rayquaza Double Dancer Terrakion, Double Dance Groudon, and SD Dragon Arceus. I believe a Tickle variant might be useful along side a strong user of Pursuit like Scizor. Scizor also somewhat helps with the Rayquaza issue, doing a meaty 60% to 4/0 Ray.

Jan 18th, 2012, 9:26:13 AM	#284
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	This has been dead for quite a long time now; revive this please. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jan 18th, 2012, 7:49:35 PM	#285
locoghoul Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 683 Charlotte	I say let's focus on either Darkrai or Skymin (3rd choice goes to Zekrom) __________________ Ubers RMT Corona Blast! Girotina's Revenge Here comes the Sun

Jan 19th, 2012, 1:23:04 AM	#286
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	Are you calling a full-revamp, loco? Because if so we already have some plans. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jan 19th, 2012, 1:35:03 AM	#287
Mr.lol Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 657 complex plane	NO NOT ANOTHER SWEEPER PLEASE DEO-A was torture (excuse the caps). I say we sub wobba for Scizor in order to get dragon resist (since we already agreed the blue-blob-who-must-not-be-named sucks) and free switches via U-turn :D. Can also pursuit Gira-o when its about to die :P (who is major deo-a annoyance). If we do go for another mon I say we do BU Dialga, or a new vote (CB Ferro anyone? Chesto Resto Ogre sounds fun too!)! __________________ (15:32) Dusk [DW Uber]: Actually Deoxys-a is not the frailest uber (15:32) Dusk [DW Uber]:Its Carvanha (15:33) X-Spin: O.O What are its bases? (15:33) Dusk [DW Uber]: 45/20/20 so close to matching Deo-a's 50/20/20 (15:33) X-Spin: That's enough to wall Specs Kyogre! Great Sage is the best.

Feb 10th, 2012, 1:54:09 PM	#292
Furai echoes in the dead of dawn Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,208	Okay guys, I'm sorry it didn't work out. I have learned my lesson to keep the CCAT high all the time, and for the next time I will do it better. However, I hope that you guys learned to not ditch the CCAT in the middle of its progress, as it simply kills it. Bojangles started a new one with a great niche, go check it out! __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)