Breeding Guide

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 9:09:13 AM

Part 1: Introduction to Breeding: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20653
Part 2: The Breeding Guide: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20652
Part 3: Probabilities to get Perfect IVs in EDP: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20650
Part 4: Hidden Power Breeding: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20649

First of all, I want to make it clear that this breeding guide is a joint effort between me and Peterko. Even though I posted Parts I and II and he posted Parts III and IV, all the parts were written together.

Me and Peterko thought that Smogon deserves to have one of the best, if not THE best, breeding guide on the Internet. I think this guide took around a month to write... correct me if I'm wrong Peterko.

There are a lot of people we'd like to thank for the realisation of this guide. Besides BobDoily and loadingNOW, which we have already given credit at the end of Parts I and II, we would also like to thank many people who have provided data for us, which are so numerous that it's impossible to list them all.

If you find any mistakes (which there will probably be, given the sheer length of the thing), feel free to post. We tried to filter out many errors, but, inevitably, there will still be a few that we didn't manage to spot, so we'd appreciate if you notify us about them.

Deucalion2 · May 28th, 2007, 9:19:28 AM

I'm not sure about this, but I thought if you bred a Miltank, the resulting baby could sometimes be Tauros, just like an Illumise can give birth to a Volbeat.

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 9:30:05 AM

Miltank and Tauros can indeed breed, but their offspring will always be a Miltank. The only way to breed a baby Tauros is to breed a Tauros with a Ditto.

***Mekkah***** · May 28th, 2007, 9:38:41 AM

All I can say is wow.

And also...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Part 2

Male Magikarp/Swablu/Dratini with Dragon Dance -> Male Charmander with Dragon Dance -> Larvitar with Dragon Dance

Magikarp can't get Dragon Dance, you'll need to evolve it into Gyarados first.

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 10:03:36 AM

Fixed. Also fixed the link for my IV breeding probabilities applet, and the link for MetalKid's IV calculator, even though I'm told his site is down right now.

Peterko · May 28th, 2007, 10:51:01 AM

Yeah it took about a month, thanks for your help, X-Act

by the way, I´ve been asked whether we´ve added info about the characteristics in D/P

I´m not sure, but is the research finished? I found this topic

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19279

and it still doesn´t say whether it shows the random highest or in a particular order - if two or more are the same

there´s no problem with adding that (section about how to find out the IVs of your Pokémon), but I´d like to know exactly how that works first before doing so

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 11:33:14 AM

According to what I researched there, if two IVs are equal highest, the characteristic chosen between the two is random.

Surgo · May 28th, 2007, 11:49:37 AM

Hey this is pretty awesome, thanks a TON guys. Will go up on the site ASAP (when it's back).

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 12:10:29 PM

I'm fixing the Level 5 stats of Part II so that they look a bit less messy right now.

Terkhen · May 28th, 2007, 1:13:58 PM

Awesome work! :)

Just a thing I have noticed; in "The species of the baby", Phione and Manaphy info is missing.

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 1:46:53 PM

Thanks Terkhen. I've just edited it with information about Manaphy and Phione.

loadingNOW · May 28th, 2007, 2:19:33 PM

cool it's finally finished :)

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 2:54:00 PM

*bows in the direction of loadingNOW* Thanks a lot once again, man.

Peterko · May 28th, 2007, 3:27:27 PM

Yeah, thank you

Karma Thief · May 28th, 2007, 3:28:11 PM

I'm confused with how to use the Level 5 Stats for HP. Several of my Smeargles have 21 HP at Level 5 which is 5 more than the listed 17 for it. I did hatch them at level 1 and Rare Candy to 5, if that makes any difference.

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 3:47:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Karma Thief

I'm confused with how to use the Level 5 Stats for HP. Several of my Smeargles have 21 HP at Level 5 which is 5 more than the listed 17 for it. I did hatch them at level 1 and Rare Candy to 5, if that makes any difference.

Big whoops. You're right. Smeargle's maximum HP stat at Level 5 should be 22. Actually I need to fix the HP of every Pokemon... they need to be 5 more than those listed. Thanks!

EDIT: They've been fixed now. I've doubled checked and now they're correct.

Peterko · May 28th, 2007, 3:50:51 PM

you´re right, actually I think all of the HPs are 5 less than they should be, X-Act will fix it as soon as possible, thnx karma thief

X-Act · May 28th, 2007, 4:12:26 PM

Lol, honestly that's one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my life. I was momentarily red-faced. Honest. Thank God I fixed it pretty quickly.

Peterko · May 28th, 2007, 4:28:07 PM

lol and I didn´t even check the list because I believed in your perfectionism :p (I take half of the responsibility)

Sir Spanky · May 28th, 2007, 4:50:16 PM

This is amazing, I hope you are both pleased/proud lol

**Mario With Lasers** · May 28th, 2007, 7:46:55 PM

I've said it before, but amazing work, guys. You'll be considered gods at smogon.

BTW, could I translate this guide and post in another forum, obviously giving the right credits for you?

Reflect Suicune · May 28th, 2007, 8:54:02 PM

I tip my hat to X-Act and Peterko, this is an excellent guide.

Vagabond Aeon · May 29th, 2007, 2:09:19 AM

all tits for X-Act and Peterko

Deucalion2 · May 29th, 2007, 5:43:11 AM

You ought to be modded for this, and given a medal, and maybe a even commemorative statue.

cresselium · May 29th, 2007, 12:38:56 PM

Although this may not seem like much, I do appreciate the time and effort that you two have put into this mega-guide. So thank you, this was REALLY helpful. :)

May 28th, 2007, 9:09:13 AM	#1
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	Breeding Guide Part 1: Introduction to Breeding: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20653 Part 2: The Breeding Guide: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20652 Part 3: Probabilities to get Perfect IVs in EDP: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20650 Part 4: Hidden Power Breeding: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20649 First of all, I want to make it clear that this breeding guide is a joint effort between me and Peterko. Even though I posted Parts I and II and he posted Parts III and IV, all the parts were written together. Me and Peterko thought that Smogon deserves to have one of the best, if not THE best, breeding guide on the Internet. I think this guide took around a month to write... correct me if I'm wrong Peterko. There are a lot of people we'd like to thank for the realisation of this guide. Besides BobDoily and loadingNOW, which we have already given credit at the end of Parts I and II, we would also like to thank many people who have provided data for us, which are so numerous that it's impossible to list them all. If you find any mistakes (which there will probably be, given the sheer length of the thing), feel free to post. We tried to filter out many errors, but, inevitably, there will still be a few that we didn't manage to spot, so we'd appreciate if you notify us about them. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet! Last edited by X-Act; May 28th, 2007 at 9:48:58 AM.

May 28th, 2007, 9:30:05 AM	#3
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	Miltank and Tauros can indeed breed, but their offspring will always be a Miltank. The only way to breed a baby Tauros is to breed a Tauros with a Ditto. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 10:03:36 AM	#5
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	Fixed. Also fixed the link for my IV breeding probabilities applet, and the link for MetalKid's IV calculator, even though I'm told his site is down right now. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 10:51:01 AM	#6
Peterko Never give up! Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,070	Yeah it took about a month, thanks for your help, X-Act by the way, I´ve been asked whether we´ve added info about the characteristics in D/P I´m not sure, but is the research finished? I found this topic http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19279 and it still doesn´t say whether it shows the random highest or in a particular order - if two or more are the same there´s no problem with adding that (section about how to find out the IVs of your Pokémon), but I´d like to know exactly how that works first before doing so __________________ Black & White Battle Subway Records Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records DP Battle Tower Records (Smogon's Greatest Hits) Emerald Battle Frontier Max Stats Pokemon Database Battle Subway Super Singles record: 623 - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune

May 28th, 2007, 11:33:14 AM	#7
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	According to what I researched there, if two IVs are equal highest, the characteristic chosen between the two is random. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 11:49:37 AM	#8
Surgo goes to eleven Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,570 Sitting on the edge of time	Hey this is pretty awesome, thanks a TON guys. Will go up on the site ASAP (when it's back). __________________ This signature had to be removed :-(

May 28th, 2007, 12:10:29 PM	#9
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	I'm fixing the Level 5 stats of Part II so that they look a bit less messy right now. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 1:13:58 PM	#10
Terkhen Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 31 Spain	Awesome work! :) Just a thing I have noticed; in "The species of the baby", Phione and Manaphy info is missing.

May 28th, 2007, 1:46:53 PM	#11
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	Thanks Terkhen. I've just edited it with information about Manaphy and Phione. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 2:19:33 PM	#12
loadingNOW Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 44	cool it's finally finished :) Last edited by loadingNOW; May 28th, 2007 at 2:23:01 PM.

May 28th, 2007, 2:54:00 PM	#13
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	bows in the direction of loadingNOW Thanks a lot once again, man. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 3:27:27 PM	#14
Peterko Never give up! Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,070	Yeah, thank you __________________ Black & White Battle Subway Records Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records DP Battle Tower Records (Smogon's Greatest Hits) Emerald Battle Frontier Max Stats Pokemon Database Battle Subway Super Singles record: 623 - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune

May 28th, 2007, 3:28:11 PM	#15
Karma Thief Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5	I'm confused with how to use the Level 5 Stats for HP. Several of my Smeargles have 21 HP at Level 5 which is 5 more than the listed 17 for it. I did hatch them at level 1 and Rare Candy to 5, if that makes any difference.

May 28th, 2007, 3:50:51 PM	#17
Peterko Never give up! Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,070	you´re right, actually I think all of the HPs are 5 less than they should be, X-Act will fix it as soon as possible, thnx karma thief __________________ Black & White Battle Subway Records Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records DP Battle Tower Records (Smogon's Greatest Hits) Emerald Battle Frontier Max Stats Pokemon Database Battle Subway Super Singles record: 623 - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune

May 28th, 2007, 4:12:26 PM	#18
X-Act np: Biffy Clyro - Shock Shock Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,678 Malta	Lol, honestly that's one of the biggest mistakes I've made in my life. I was momentarily red-faced. Honest. Thank God I fixed it pretty quickly. __________________ http://users.smogon.com/X-Act For all your Pokemon needs (and more!) including: the Defensive EVs applet, the Probabilities of Breeding IVs in Pokemon applet, and the Ratings of Pokemon Base Stats applet (now Version 2.0!). And also the IV to PID applet!

May 28th, 2007, 4:28:07 PM	#19
Peterko Never give up! Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,070	lol and I didn´t even check the list because I believed in your perfectionism :p (I take half of the responsibility) __________________ Black & White Battle Subway Records Platinum/HG/SS Battle Frontier and DP Battle Tower Records DP Battle Tower Records (Smogon's Greatest Hits) Emerald Battle Frontier Max Stats Pokemon Database Battle Subway Super Singles record: 623 - Cloyster, Garchomp, Suicune

May 28th, 2007, 4:50:16 PM	#20
Sir Spanky Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,794 England	This is amazing, I hope you are both pleased/proud lol __________________ :amusing quote:

May 28th, 2007, 8:54:02 PM	#22
Reflect Suicune Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 553 Agrabah	I tip my hat to X-Act and Peterko, this is an excellent guide. __________________ Originally posted by mfair4d I don't think salamence should be moved to uber. Recently a mence switched into me when i was using icebeam and bam down before it could move.

May 29th, 2007, 2:09:19 AM	#23
Vagabond Aeon Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,131 at the place with the thing	all tits for X-Act and Peterko __________________ Vagabond Aeon Black FC: 2837 9453 9509 the vagabond's monochrome trades THE INTERNET MAKES YOU STUPID

May 29th, 2007, 12:38:56 PM	#25
cresselium Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 111	Although this may not seem like much, I do appreciate the time and effort that you two have put into this mega-guide. So thank you, this was REALLY helpful. :)