Counter that RU Pokemon! Community Teambuilder - Heysup vs. Pearl. - Page 8

spuds4ever · Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:30:51 PM

Zdrup15 never been a fan of jynx...

***Zebraiken**** · Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:50:12 PM

Heysup

raichu is fucking awesome

alexwolf · Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:59:42 PM

Heysup. Incredible find Heysup!

Omicron · Mar 2nd, 2012, 2:47:29 PM

HEY...SUP

Ningildo · Mar 2nd, 2012, 2:53:12 PM

Heysup, cause while zdrup's SubNP Jynx is cool and all, it can lose to a untimely flinch. Or miss.

Cherub Agent · Mar 2nd, 2012, 3:08:30 PM

HeySup, without a doubt. It's awesome when a Pokemon whose analysis you wrote gets picked! Lol, just kidding, that has nothing to do with my vote. Basically HeySup said everything himself, EncoreNP just completely screws over their team

Pikapwnd · Mar 2nd, 2012, 3:57:00 PM

Heysup.

jynx gave me nightmares as a child

Skytt · Mar 2nd, 2012, 4:43:04 PM

Looks like i'm too late to make a difference with my vote, but seeing as i'm also voting Heysup it doesn't really matter anyway. :p

complete legitimacy · Mar 2nd, 2012, 5:14:20 PM

If there's anything that can be gained after a landslide victory, it's post count ++.

Heysup

Texas Cloverleaf · Mar 2nd, 2012, 5:27:02 PM

zdrup15 - 4
HeySup - 10

Landslide victories are landslide

Raichu

Teams so far:
Team 1: Scolipede, Clefable, Torterra, Raichu
Team 2: Rhydon, Ludicolo, Weezing, Sigilyph
Team 1 again, this will be their 5th Pokemon!

Tiffanyy · Mar 2nd, 2012, 5:38:15 PM

COPYING MY THINGY FROM LAST TIME CAUSE ITS GUUD.

CrawPINCH (Crawdaunt) (M) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Crabhammer
- X-Scissor
- Brick Break

comes in on psychic sigilyph and ohkos with CRUNCH. does 75%+ to LUDICOLO with X-SCISSOR. OHKOs RHYDON with CRABHAMMER. Weezing can smd it gets 3hkod. Bricker Bracker is a filler move yo( BECAUSE CRABHAMMER DOESNT KILL AGGRON AH)

lars · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:47:07 AM

Here we go. Not usually my cup of tea, but I saw this thing in battle today and it made me appreciate diversity in RU so I might as well see if anyone else likes it. (It also cripples all 4 members of team 2)

Gardevoir @choice scarf
Modest
ability:trace
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Psychic
Shadow ball
Focus blast
trick

Trick really cripples 3 of the current 4 and ludicolo doesn't really like it either. Also works as a good revenger and can benefit from sigilyph's ability with trace.

Rhydon - Focus Blast + 1 layer of spikes = OHKO, and it can't really switch into psychic
Sigilyph - Shadow Ball = 78 - 92% / 52 - 61% at +1 (can't OHKO back w/ air slash even at +1)
Weezing - Psychic... obviously overkill
Ludicolo - Psychic + any hazards = 2HKO (certainly can't OHKO back)

Trick gets them all and Gardevoir still outspeeds all but Sigilyph without the scarf (and even Rhydon and Weezing with Scarfs)

Psychic isn't the greatest defensively, but the synergy is actually respectable. Takes psychic aimed at scolipede and fighting aimed at clefable. Scolipede easily takes Bug attacks and Clefable is immune to Ghost. If Rhydon comes in on choice locked Shadow Ball, Torterra can take anything. Not much to note with Raichu defensively.

*this is also for those of you who like the underdog 'mons (:

***Oglemi**** · Mar 3rd, 2012, 4:13:47 AM

Similar to Gardevoir ^ but more bamf:

Medicham @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Huge Power
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Hi Jump Kick
- Psycho Cut
- Ice Punch
- Trick

Ice Punch is a clean OHKO on Sigilyph iirc (if not it's darn close), Psycho Cut easily 2HKOes Weezing, Hi Jump Kick OHKOes Ludicolo and I believe it does Rhydon as well (it does with SR and a layer of Spikes for sure). Basically team 2 has no safe switch-ins to Medicham atm, and whatever they choose as a counter to it can be crippled by Trick. Being able to blast through Weezing will allow Torterra to sweep easier, and crippling something with Trick will make setup a whole lot easier for both Torterra and Raichu.

Zoap · Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:39:24 AM

Magmortar @ Life Orb
Mild nature(+SpA - Def)
Ability: Flame Body
252 SpA/220 SpD/36 Spe

~Flame Charge
~Fire Blast
~HP Grass
~Thunderbolt

Magmortar packs a ton of power and if it gets a Spe boost from flame charge it wrecks team 2. With the current EVs it can outspeed Sigilyph after a flame charge, 252 Spa to hit as hard as possible, rest into SpD to take advantage of decent special bulk. Mild was chosen so flame charge hits harder. Here are the calcs for everything:

Flame Charge vs +252/252 Weezing 12.9-15.6%
Flame Charge vs 16/0 Sigilyph 30.5-39.5%
Flame Charge vs 160/0 Ludicolo 26.4-31.1%
Fire Blast vs 252/4 Weezing 106.9-125.7%
Fire Blast vs 16/0 Sigilyph 109.2-128.5%
Fire Blast vs 160/0 Ludicolo 78.6-92.5%
HP Grass vs 212/0 Rhydon 128.7-152.5%

Is a great hole opener if Raichu meets an untimely death, also sets up on Weezing like nobody's business.

Edit: Went with Tbolt as focus blast shaky accuracy is dumb.

spuds4ever · Mar 3rd, 2012, 8:40:20 AM

Drapion @black sludge
Trait: Battle armour
EVs: 252 HP, 252 sp. def
Careful (+sp. def, -sp. atk)
-Crunch
-Poison Jab
-Taunt
-Swords Dance

With 2 special attackers on team 2, we need something that can take a hit. Drapion is the guy for the job. Max sp. def drapion survives a 2hko from sigilyph as well as being immune to his stronger STAB and does around 70%+ to it without a boost. It also OHKOes ludicolo with poison jab after a couple of layers of spikes as well as out-speeding him. Swords dance gives him some good power and taunt stops weezing from ruining his fun or any other steel type team 2 may think of carrying, in short, only rhydon can handle this thing and he's easily dealt with by torterra and clefable. He also will support a spinblocker well if we choose to take one.

alexwolf · Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zoap

Magmortar @ Life Orb
Mild nature(+SpA - Def)
Ability: Flame Body
252 SpA/220 SpD/36 Spe

~Flame Charge
~Fire Blast
~HP Grass
~Overheat

Magmortar packs a ton of power and if it gets a Spe boost from flame charge it wrecks team 2. With the current EVs it can outspeed Sigilyph after a flame charge, 252 Spa to hit as hard as possible, rest into SpD to take advantage of decent special bulk. Mild was chosen so flame charge hits harder. Here are the calcs for everything:

Flame Charge vs +252/252 Weezing 12.9-15.6%
Flame Charge vs 16/0 Sigilyph 30.5-39.5%
Flame Charge vs 160/0 Ludicolo 26.4-31.1%
Fire Blast vs 252/4 Weezing 106.9-125.7%
Fire Blast vs 16/0 Sigilyph 109.2-128.5%
Fire Blast vs 160/0 Ludicolo 78.6-92.7%
Overheat vs 252/4 Weezing 124.3-146.7%
Overheat vs 16/0 Sigilyph 127.5-150.5%
Overheat vs 160/0 Ludicolo 91.5-107.3%
HP Grass vs 212/0 Rhydon 128.7-152.5%

Is a great hole opener if Raichu meets an untimely death, also sets up on Weezing like nobody's business.

Great choice but i have one question. What is Overheat useful for?
Ludicolo is already 2hkoed by Flame Charge and Fire Blast if he tries to get smart, and will be ohkoed by Fire Blast after SR if he has taken 9% damage beforehand.
And anyway what's the point of killing Magmortar's SpA if you are trying to sweep with him?

Tbolt and Focus Blast are much better options since they give you coverage against potential picks for team 2 such as Moltres, Entei, Feraligatr, Druddigon, Slowking, Clefable, Aerodactyl, Archeops, Charizard and Boufalant. I like Tbolt better, since i hate FB's accuracy, and Tbolt hits more important targets, in both quality and quantity.

So if you want make this change, or i can post this set myself, but i would hate stealing your idea...

lars · Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:21:49 AM

/\ I was kind of wondering the same thing. I guess it might be slightly useful for a bit more damage if you expect to die after attacking... that aside I think thunderbolt (or defensively speaking sub/protect) would have much better utility on that set. (Can we edit sets after posting?) Thanks Texas

Texas Cloverleaf · Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:58:28 PM

You can edit sets up until I open voting.

Zoap · Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:28:00 PM

I was thinking more along the lines of if ludi switched in full health(assuming rocks or 2 layers of spikes) overheat is a guarantees OHKO where as fire blast isn't 100% of the time.

But I'll edit it with Tbolt since I was torn over it last night, Thx for the suggestion guys, and thx Alex for not just reporting it with that change.

Texas Cloverleaf · Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:57:37 PM

Oglemi

**DittoCrow** · Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:59:58 PM

Oglemi

Double01 · Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:01:41 PM

Oglemi

Medicham is boss nuff said.

mostwanted · Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:07:19 PM

Oglemi

MegaKick · Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:18:31 PM

Oglemi

Upstart · Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:22:54 PM

i hate to vote for oglemi to actually win one of these :p but he picked the sexiest RU pokemon for the job.

Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:50:12 PM	#177
*Zebraiken am i the only one i know? Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2,178 shine ∞ Mentor	Heysup raichu is fucking awesome __________________

Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:59:42 PM	#178
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,624 Greece	Heysup. Incredible find Heysup! __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Mar 2nd, 2012, 2:47:29 PM	#179
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	HEY...SUP __________________

Mar 2nd, 2012, 2:53:12 PM	#180
Ningildo Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 649 Aruba	Heysup, cause while zdrup's SubNP Jynx is cool and all, it can lose to a untimely flinch. Or miss. __________________ Wild School appeared! School used Homework! Ningildo's activity fell!

Mar 2nd, 2012, 3:08:30 PM	#181
Cherub Agent I may be dead, but I'm still pretty. Which is more than I can say for you Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 2,237 intimidatingly cute Mentor	HeySup, without a doubt. It's awesome when a Pokemon whose analysis you wrote gets picked! Lol, just kidding, that has nothing to do with my vote. Basically HeySup said everything himself, EncoreNP just completely screws over their team __________________ (16:08) <@skylight> BUT I DID NOTHING WRONG (16:08) <@skylight> CHERUB (16:08) <@skylight> i will FUCK YOU (17:20) <@skylight> ill luvdisc your ass

Mar 2nd, 2012, 1:30:51 PM	#176
spuds4ever Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 660 UK	Zdrup15 never been a fan of jynx...

Mar 2nd, 2012, 3:57:00 PM	#182
Pikapwnd Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 379 Logic Blows	Heysup. jynx gave me nightmares as a child __________________ This is pokemon, not life or death.

Mar 2nd, 2012, 4:43:04 PM	#183
Skytt Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 239 United Kingdom	Looks like i'm too late to make a difference with my vote, but seeing as i'm also voting Heysup it doesn't really matter anyway. :p __________________ Smogon is my new home! Avatar was drawn by myself for the -~Pokemon Amethyst Project~-

Mar 2nd, 2012, 5:14:20 PM	#184
complete legitimacy fearless in the face of danger Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 893 VM me for a RU QC / GP check.	If there's anything that can be gained after a landslide victory, it's post count ++. Heysup __________________

Mar 2nd, 2012, 5:27:02 PM	#185
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	zdrup15 - 4 HeySup - 10 Landslide victories are landslide Raichu Raichu (M) @ Life Orb EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Thunderbolt - Encore - Grass Knot - Nasty Plot Encore fucks over almost every one of their mons, especially Sigi. If you come in on anything but Rhydon's Earthquake / Rock Blast, you win the game because +2 Thunderbolt / Grass Knot destroys. Keep in mind, also, that Raichu is actually faster than Sigilyph unlike base 95s (cough Jynx cough). Teams so far: Team 1: Scolipede, Clefable, Torterra, Raichu Team 2: Rhydon, Ludicolo, Weezing, Sigilyph Team 1 again, this will be their 5th Pokemon! __________________ C&C/Smog work Last edited by Oglemi; Mar 2nd, 2012 at 6:45:48 PM.

Mar 2nd, 2012, 5:38:15 PM	#186
Tiffanyy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 698	COPYING MY THINGY FROM LAST TIME CAUSE ITS GUUD. CrawPINCH (Crawdaunt) (M) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Adaptability EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Crunch - Crabhammer - X-Scissor - Brick Break comes in on psychic sigilyph and ohkos with CRUNCH. does 75%+ to LUDICOLO with X-SCISSOR. OHKOs RHYDON with CRABHAMMER. Weezing can smd it gets 3hkod. Bricker Bracker is a filler move yo( BECAUSE CRABHAMMER DOESNT KILL AGGRON AH)

Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:47:07 AM	#187
lars Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 265	Here we go. Not usually my cup of tea, but I saw this thing in battle today and it made me appreciate diversity in RU so I might as well see if anyone else likes it. (It also cripples all 4 members of team 2) Gardevoir @choice scarf Modest ability:trace 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Psychic Shadow ball Focus blast trick Trick really cripples 3 of the current 4 and ludicolo doesn't really like it either. Also works as a good revenger and can benefit from sigilyph's ability with trace. Rhydon - Focus Blast + 1 layer of spikes = OHKO, and it can't really switch into psychic Sigilyph - Shadow Ball = 78 - 92% / 52 - 61% at +1 (can't OHKO back w/ air slash even at +1) Weezing - Psychic... obviously overkill Ludicolo - Psychic + any hazards = 2HKO (certainly can't OHKO back) Trick gets them all and Gardevoir still outspeeds all but Sigilyph without the scarf (and even Rhydon and Weezing with Scarfs) Psychic isn't the greatest defensively, but the synergy is actually respectable. Takes psychic aimed at scolipede and fighting aimed at clefable. Scolipede easily takes Bug attacks and Clefable is immune to Ghost. If Rhydon comes in on choice locked Shadow Ball, Torterra can take anything. Not much to note with Raichu defensively. this is also for those of you who like the underdog 'mons (: __________________ lars: scolipede is such an under rated lead DiscoLord: it eats cyanide and shits fucking acid ---------------------------------------------------- O.o <--- that is all I have to say Last edited by lars; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 3:16:08 PM. Reason: calcs and clean up*

Mar 3rd, 2012, 4:13:47 AM	#188
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,525 ~(^.^)~	Similar to Gardevoir ^ but more bamf: Medicham @ Choice Scarf Ability: Huge Power Nature: Adamant EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe - Hi Jump Kick - Psycho Cut - Ice Punch - Trick Ice Punch is a clean OHKO on Sigilyph iirc (if not it's darn close), Psycho Cut easily 2HKOes Weezing, Hi Jump Kick OHKOes Ludicolo and I believe it does Rhydon as well (it does with SR and a layer of Spikes for sure). Basically team 2 has no safe switch-ins to Medicham atm, and whatever they choose as a counter to it can be crippled by Trick. Being able to blast through Weezing will allow Torterra to sweep easier, and crippling something with Trick will make setup a whole lot easier for both Torterra and Raichu. __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum

Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:39:24 AM	#189
Zoap Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 495 Antioch	Magmortar @ Life Orb Mild nature(+SpA - Def) Ability: Flame Body 252 SpA/220 SpD/36 Spe ~Flame Charge ~Fire Blast ~HP Grass ~Thunderbolt Magmortar packs a ton of power and if it gets a Spe boost from flame charge it wrecks team 2. With the current EVs it can outspeed Sigilyph after a flame charge, 252 Spa to hit as hard as possible, rest into SpD to take advantage of decent special bulk. Mild was chosen so flame charge hits harder. Here are the calcs for everything: Flame Charge vs +252/252 Weezing 12.9-15.6% Flame Charge vs 16/0 Sigilyph 30.5-39.5% Flame Charge vs 160/0 Ludicolo 26.4-31.1% Fire Blast vs 252/4 Weezing 106.9-125.7% Fire Blast vs 16/0 Sigilyph 109.2-128.5% Fire Blast vs 160/0 Ludicolo 78.6-92.5% HP Grass vs 212/0 Rhydon 128.7-152.5% Is a great hole opener if Raichu meets an untimely death, also sets up on Weezing like nobody's business. Edit: Went with Tbolt as focus blast shaky accuracy is dumb. Last edited by Zoap; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 6:30:28 PM.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 8:40:20 AM	#190
spuds4ever Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 660 UK	Drapion @black sludge Trait: Battle armour EVs: 252 HP, 252 sp. def Careful (+sp. def, -sp. atk) -Crunch -Poison Jab -Taunt -Swords Dance With 2 special attackers on team 2, we need something that can take a hit. Drapion is the guy for the job. Max sp. def drapion survives a 2hko from sigilyph as well as being immune to his stronger STAB and does around 70%+ to it without a boost. It also OHKOes ludicolo with poison jab after a couple of layers of spikes as well as out-speeding him. Swords dance gives him some good power and taunt stops weezing from ruining his fun or any other steel type team 2 may think of carrying, in short, only rhydon can handle this thing and he's easily dealt with by torterra and clefable. He also will support a spinblocker well if we choose to take one. Last edited by spuds4ever; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 3:16:12 PM.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:21:49 AM	#192
lars Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 265	/\ I was kind of wondering the same thing. I guess it might be slightly useful for a bit more damage if you expect to die after attacking... that aside I think thunderbolt (or defensively speaking sub/protect) would have much better utility on that set. (Can we edit sets after posting?) Thanks Texas __________________ lars: scolipede is such an under rated lead DiscoLord: it eats cyanide and shits fucking acid ---------------------------------------------------- O.o <--- that is all I have to say Last edited by lars; Mar 3rd, 2012 at 3:17:13 PM.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:58:28 PM	#193
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	You can edit sets up until I open voting. __________________ C&C/Smog work

Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:28:00 PM	#194
Zoap Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 495 Antioch	I was thinking more along the lines of if ludi switched in full health(assuming rocks or 2 layers of spikes) overheat is a guarantees OHKO where as fire blast isn't 100% of the time. But I'll edit it with Tbolt since I was torn over it last night, Thx for the suggestion guys, and thx Alex for not just reporting it with that change.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:57:37 PM	#195
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,346 Ottawa	Oglemi __________________ C&C/Smog work

Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:59:58 PM	#196
DittoCrow Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,138 Mentor	Oglemi

Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:01:41 PM	#197
Double01 HSA made me do this... Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 600 I'm a Cheese Head and Proud of It	Oglemi Medicham is boss nuff said.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:07:19 PM	#198
mostwanted Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 938	Oglemi

Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:18:31 PM	#199
MegaKick Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,452 Out getting milk	Oglemi

Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:22:54 PM	#200
Upstart Copy Cat Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 414 ROAR!	i hate to vote for oglemi to actually win one of these :p but he picked the sexiest RU pokemon for the job. __________________ Check Out my RMT 4th Gen RMT: Sub For Your Life If the enemy thinks of the mountains, attack like the sea; and if he thinks of the sea, attack like the mountains. Member of the UU and RU QC team, VM me for a check