Balanced Hackmons

[Karpi]

Before I commit to this, does Zoroark's Illusion ability work on PS? I imagine that could cause some mayhem, especially with how people respond to Shedinja's appearance in the battle

[Cyberspeed]

Ive been trying out a Lead Slaking and I wanted your advice on it:
Slaking @ Silk Scarf
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- ExtremeSpeed
- Hi Jump Kick
- Pursuit

It's worked out quite well, but I was just wondering if it could be tweaked.

[Synth_Metal]

Originally Posted by Fat Cyberspeed

Ive been trying out a Lead Slaking and I wanted your advice on it:
Slaking @ Silk Scarf
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- ExtremeSpeed
- Hi Jump Kick
- Pursuit

It's worked out quite well, but I was just wondering if it could be tweaked.

LOL, i remember fighting you on streetmon (username: Cryal). The set is pretty anti-meta in comparison to the leads like Deoxys-S. You could run Life Orb instead of Silk for greater damage output for the cost of longevity. Pursuit could be replaced with U-Turn to keep momentum when the opponents starts switching into a Lugia or Giratina.

[Cyberspeed]

Originally Posted by Fat Synth_Metal

LOL, i remember fighting you on streetmon (username: Cryal). The set is pretty anti-meta in comparison to the leads like Deoxys-S. You could run Life Orb instead of Silk for greater damage output for the cost of longevity. Pursuit could be replaced with U-Turn to keep momentum when the opponents starts switching into a Lugia or Giratina.

I remember fighting you to!
I use this as basically to counter stupid Deoxys-S Leads.Then I switch out and it becomes an amazing revenge killer.
I'll try out Life Orb and I'll try out U-Turn if I see more Shadow Tag Giratina.

[verbatim]

Originally Posted by Fat Cyberspeed

Ive been trying out a Lead Slaking and I wanted your advice on it:
Slaking @ Silk Scarf
Trait: Pure Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- ExtremeSpeed
- Hi Jump Kick
- Pursuit

It's worked out quite well, but I was just wondering if it could be tweaked.

For starters, you want to run Jolly and Lum Berry. With the swathe of base 100 pokemon in Balanced Hackmons you need to be able to speed tie. On the issue of items, Slaking doesn't really need boosting items to score kills. Lum Berry is the best option so that you can land a hit on Prankster Giratina. Fake Out + ExtremeSpeed or Pursuit first turn ohko's Deoxys-S so your good if you can predict. My issue with Pursuit is that it can't get past Giratina (56.34 - 66.66% assuming you get the switch boost) so it only really covers Deoxys-s that decide to flee. If you want to run Pursuit your best to lead off with Fake Out and then Pursuit. While Fake Out isn't needed to score the kill, it does scare of Deoxys-S's staying in to take the ExtremeSpeed and set up Rocks, promptly allowing you to score a kill with Pursuit. If I've scared you away from Pursuit the best bet is to replace it with Crunch (2hko's Giratina) or Rapid Spin (allows you to wall Blisseys that steal your set with your own ghost types).

[nygerman]

Why pure power everyone??????

It called No guard sheer cold on any pokemon

[Cyberspeed]

Crunch actually sounds good.
I'll try Jolly, Crunch and Lum now.
Edit:
@nygerman
Wonder Guard and OHKO moves are banned in balanced hackmons.

Double Edit:
Just experienced one of the most infuriating battles against a TrickScarf/Shadow Tag/Perish Song Team

[akela]

Been trying out a few builds in regular hackmons, but I have found 2 set-ups that might work well in BH as well.

Wobbuffet @ Red Card
Trait: Imposter
Bold Nature
~Counter
~Mirror Coat
~Destiny Bond
~Confuse Ray

I have found that Wobbuffet to work nice if forced to switch in on a substitute.

Obviously, the Red Card is meant to activate while Imposter is active.


Conkeldurr @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
Adamant Nature
~Substitute
~Belly Drum
~Baton Pass
~Cross Chop

I know that there are more powerful pokemon to use as a build up, but not too many are expecting a Fighting type to do it. I have found that people are not sure how to counter this without rushing their strategy and making mistakes.

For regular hackmons, normal type wonder guard. Screw imposter and pure power...

[AfroThunderRule]

Originally Posted by Fat Cyberspeed

Double Edit:
Just experienced one of the most infuriating battles against a TrickScarf/Shadow Tag/Perish Song Team

why cant i be a mo?

:o

[Cyberspeed]

Originally Posted by Fat AfroThunderRule

why cant i be a mo?

:o

Yes,have you played him before?
Or are you him...

[bluemon]

i got the best pokemon in history.

watch and learn.

Durant@lum berry
ability: serene grace
nature: jolly
252/252/252/0/252/252
-Iron head
-rock slide
-sacred fire
-u-turn/attack order/magic coat/extremespeed

this is the ultimate flinch machine. phenomenal speed. good attack, great typing (resists extremespeed), decent defense (to tank extremespeeds).

iron head flinches 60Percent
rock slide flinches 60Percent
sacred fire hits and burns 95Percent
last move of your choice...

the best thing ever.
scarf scizor can also be used, as well as genesect.

[Cyberspeed]

I wouldn't mind building a rain team but all I have is Choice Specs Swift Swim Kyogre so far(set in the Spoiler).

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Kyogre @ Choice Specs
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Water Spout
- Thunder
- Hurricane
- Spacial Rend

Any suggestions on who to be the pokemon that sets up Drizzle and other Pokemon to go on the team?
Any tweaks to the Kyogre or think it could be replaced?

[bluemon]

use modest on kyogre.

use drizzle ferrothorn.

[M BLADE]

Marowak @ Thick Club
Ability: Pure power
Nature: Adamant/ that nature with + atk - spd that i never remember the name

-Trick Room
-Earthquake
-Bolt Strike/Icicle Crash
-Destiny Bond

Nuclear attacker+Trick Room set up on one set.

[Skyshayde]

Arceus @ Lum Berry
Ability: Early Bird
Nature: Whatever, Bold maybe
-Tail Glow
-Cosmic Power
-Rest
-Stored Power

[blasphemy1]

Originally Posted by Fat Cyberspeed

I wouldn't mind building a rain team but all I have is Choice Specs Swift Swim Kyogre so far(set in the Spoiler).

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Kyogre @ Choice Specs
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Water Spout
- Thunder
- Hurricane
- Spacial Rend

Any suggestions on who to be the pokemon that sets up Drizzle and other Pokemon to go on the team?
Any tweaks to the Kyogre or think it could be replaced?

Why not use Palkia? It has better speed and can use STAB Special Rend or Draco Meteor.

[Arcticblast]

Kyogre isn't weak to Dragon. With Dragon Tail and Contrary Draco Meteor everywhere, that's important.

On that note, Hydro Pump over Water Spout. You'd be surprised how quickly Kyogre accumulates damage.

EDIT @Skyshade: Timid nature, Giga Drain over Rest, and some other ability over Early Bird. You're currently completely walled by Dark types, so having Giga Drain is useful (the only Dark types that resist Giga Drain have stats too low to use effectively). Pokemon like Dialga and Registeel still eat you though.

[Skyshayde]

Originally Posted by Fat Arcticblast

Kyogre isn't weak to Dragon. With Dragon Tail and Contrary Draco Meteor everywhere, that's important.

On that note, Hydro Pump over Water Spout. You'd be surprised how quickly Kyogre accumulates damage.

EDIT @Skyshade: Timid nature, Giga Drain over Rest, and some other ability over Early Bird. You're currently completely walled by Dark types, so having Giga Drain is useful (the only Dark types that resist Giga Drain have stats too low to use effectively). Pokemon like Dialga and Registeel still eat you though.

Yeah, darks wall me, which is why they get smashed by my other team members.

[tehy]

Sky, the problem here though is that if they see your arceus in action, they're not just going to let you set it up. If your teammates smash dark-types, then those dark-types might just switch out, come in later, and laugh in your face.

Also, what do you do if a blissey comes in once you have max boosts, or if someone just switches in and starts setting up on you? A plus-3 stored power still isn't really all that powerful, especially against those who resist it-and that's even if you used tail glow on the switch. If you didn't, it should be even easier.

I like the set, but maybe just change Stored power to something with no immunities and few resists. Dragon pulse comes to mind.

[blasphemy1]

Originally Posted by Fat Arcticblast

Kyogre isn't weak to Dragon. With Dragon Tail and Contrary Draco Meteor everywhere, that's important.

On that note, Hydro Pump over Water Spout. You'd be surprised how quickly Kyogre accumulates damage.

EDIT @Skyshade: Timid nature, Giga Drain over Rest, and some other ability over Early Bird. You're currently completely walled by Dark types, so having Giga Drain is useful (the only Dark types that resist Giga Drain have stats too low to use effectively). Pokemon like Dialga and Registeel still eat you though.

1) you shouldn't be switching into Contrary Draco Meteor or Dragon Tail anyway, as Kyogre still doesn't like all the damage it'll be taking
2) the extra damage from STAB Draco Meteor / Spacial Rend can take out things non-STAB Spacial Rend cannot

I agree with Hydro Pump over Water Spout. Extremespeed will quickly deplete your health and make Water Spout very weak.

[tehy]

Originally Posted by Fat blasphemy1

1) you shouldn't be switching into Contrary Draco Meteor or Dragon Tail anyway, as Kyogre still doesn't like all the damage it'll be taking
2) the extra damage from STAB Draco Meteor / Spacial Rend can take out things non-STAB Spacial Rend cannot

I agree with Hydro Pump over Water Spout. Extremespeed will quickly deplete your health and make Water Spout very weak.

1)You might have no choice, and kyogre does have good special bulk. Rain teams often are HO, although when you can give a bulky poke drizzle, that's not necessarily true. Especially if you're carrying Hydro pump. Also, a blissey using STAB Spacial Rend on you will hit for 300 BP, a thunder on kyogre for only 240. Could be important.
2)This is true.


Actually, i have to agree-palkia seems like a better choice almost all of the time. Heck, if you're using mostly dragon-type and water-type moves anyways, lustrous orb might have a use, as you can have power without locking yourself in or taking LO damage that could put you in KO range of an extremespeed.

[windwolf777]

I was using the prankster Groundon in with <3 Swap in order to gain the +3 +3 of an Espeon. I didnt get the my groundon didn't get the boosts but i beleive that his espeon lost them non-the-less. Im not sure if this was a glitch. If so could it be fixed ? I really like my prankster pass don :)

[Arcticblast]

Your Groudon got the boosts. The glitch is in the graphics. Basically, when you use Heart Swap, the boosts themselves are switched but the pictures are not.

[Fawfulmk-II]

as long as Prankster smeargle and Taunter Wobbles is banned, I'm down.

[bluemon]

there is absolutely NO REASON to use smeargle in this metagame.