Questioning My Breeding Method

P Duck · May 2nd, 2012, 4:13:50 PM

I haven't bred many Pokemon, but I've developed a solid system, which involves replacing a parent with an offspring if the offspring's IVs are generally meatier than the parent's (as long the nature and egg moves can remain intact). If an offspring is lacking in more than a few areas, I disregard it.

But recently, while breeding some Machops, I noticed something that made me question this system.

My current parents are
Mother: 4/18/31/12/1/29 (Power Belt)
Father: 20/18/31/20/14/6 (Everstone, Adamant)

I was looking over my notes and I noticed that a while ago I had bred 2 Machops that I had disregarded,
4/30/10/12/4/22 (male)
29/4/6/12/12/6 (female)
since their IVs are generally crummy.

So I have in my posession a 29/30/31/x/x/x spread, just on 3 different Machops. It would be great if I could introduce these IVs into the line, but I'm afraid that replacing the father's solid IVs would give me a whole bunch of terrible Machops.

I thought of an alternate method: Breed a 30-HP Machop with a 29-Atk Machop (one holding a power item, of course) until I get an offspring with both these IVs. Then use this Machop to breed with another one with a great IV in a different area until I get a Machop with THREE godly IVs. THEN introduce this into the main line.

My question is: which method is more efficient? I realize that 3 of the offspring's IVs will always be random, so no method is perfect. But is the possibility of passing down a great IV worth the risk of passing all the bad ones?

Showsni · May 2nd, 2012, 4:26:44 PM

When it comes to breeding the old fashioned way, I generally go for two flawless IVs at a minimum and then a decent spread otherwise. I'd disregard the 29 HP IV entirely, since it's never going to be as good as a 31 or 30; and similarly, disregard that 30 Attack (unless you're shooting for a Hidden Power... which with Machamp you probably shouldn't be).

Of course, I'm biased since I have an all 31 IV Ditto; introducing the 31s into the line is pretty easy for me.

So firstly I'd decide which IVs I want great as a minimum. For Machamp, I'd be looking at definitely maximising Attack, and probably Speed so I don't have to waste EVs bringing it up to par (though Speed is less important on Machamp I guess, so you could ignore it entirely and focus on HP). Do you have any 31 Attack IV Pokémon capable of breeding with Machamp? If so, get one of them as a parent to introduce the 31s into the Machops. Then I'd breed a lot at once, and hatch the eggs in batches of five at a time before checking the IVs.

Since three IVs will always be random, the best you can do is have three good ones to pass down, and you want those three in the most important places for the Pokémon you're breeding. Don't worry that the other three are bad, since you should be producing so many offspring that it won't really matter.

Of course, that was before I learnt how to RNG... Now I can get flawless Machops every time, but I know that some people regard it as very unfair and refuse to use it.

P Duck · May 3rd, 2012, 12:24:59 AM

Interesting. I guess it would make sense to try to breed for specific IVs, since you have some degree of control over the outcome than just waiting for the good ones to appear randomly.

KimTheHuman · May 3rd, 2012, 8:46:48 AM

I have also been breeding the old fashioned way :D (I haven't bothered to learn to RNG because very few people in my area know what RNG/IV is let alone still play Pokemon)

As for breeding, I follow Showsni's method. I'm actually breeding a magikarp right now but I have a question too :)

Father: Adamant Haxorus; 31/31/x/x/x/31; Holding Power Item for Attack
Mother: Adamant Magikarp 31/x/x/x/x/31 ; Holding Everstone

After a week of breeding, I've only come across 3~5 magikarps with 31 Ivs in wanted stats albeit crappy natures. To appease my curiosity, would someone care to rectify my maths :D

1/2 chance to get Adamant as nature
1 probability to get 31 Iv in Atk
4/10 chance to get 31 Iv in Spd and HP

Does that mean I'd have a 20% chance of getting an Adamant Magikarp with 31/31/x/x/x/31 Iv spread~?

hamlunches · May 3rd, 2012, 9:45:02 AM

I don't think you can really ever calculate an exact chance of getting a spread unless you're using RNG to control the IVs, as I believe that three IVs are determined by the parent IVs and could be any of Ma/Ma/Ma, Fe/Fe/Fe, Ma/Ma/Fe, Ma/Fe/Ma, Ma/Fe/Fe etc, and the other 3 IVs are randomly generated. But to a good approximation I'd say 20% is around the right number

May 2nd, 2012, 4:13:50 PM	#1
P Duck Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2 Equestria	Questioning My Breeding Method I haven't bred many Pokemon, but I've developed a solid system, which involves replacing a parent with an offspring if the offspring's IVs are generally meatier than the parent's (as long the nature and egg moves can remain intact). If an offspring is lacking in more than a few areas, I disregard it. But recently, while breeding some Machops, I noticed something that made me question this system. My current parents are Mother: 4/18/31/12/1/29 (Power Belt) Father: 20/18/31/20/14/6 (Everstone, Adamant) I was looking over my notes and I noticed that a while ago I had bred 2 Machops that I had disregarded, 4/30/10/12/4/22 (male) 29/4/6/12/12/6 (female) since their IVs are generally crummy. So I have in my posession a 29/30/31/x/x/x spread, just on 3 different Machops. It would be great if I could introduce these IVs into the line, but I'm afraid that replacing the father's solid IVs would give me a whole bunch of terrible Machops. I thought of an alternate method: Breed a 30-HP Machop with a 29-Atk Machop (one holding a power item, of course) until I get an offspring with both these IVs. Then use this Machop to breed with another one with a great IV in a different area until I get a Machop with THREE godly IVs. THEN introduce this into the main line. My question is: which method is more efficient? I realize that 3 of the offspring's IVs will always be random, so no method is perfect. But is the possibility of passing down a great IV worth the risk of passing all the bad ones? __________________ Allow Image BB Code No Cool beans.

May 2nd, 2012, 4:26:44 PM	#2
Showsni Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 880	When it comes to breeding the old fashioned way, I generally go for two flawless IVs at a minimum and then a decent spread otherwise. I'd disregard the 29 HP IV entirely, since it's never going to be as good as a 31 or 30; and similarly, disregard that 30 Attack (unless you're shooting for a Hidden Power... which with Machamp you probably shouldn't be). Of course, I'm biased since I have an all 31 IV Ditto; introducing the 31s into the line is pretty easy for me. So firstly I'd decide which IVs I want great as a minimum. For Machamp, I'd be looking at definitely maximising Attack, and probably Speed so I don't have to waste EVs bringing it up to par (though Speed is less important on Machamp I guess, so you could ignore it entirely and focus on HP). Do you have any 31 Attack IV Pokémon capable of breeding with Machamp? If so, get one of them as a parent to introduce the 31s into the Machops. Then I'd breed a lot at once, and hatch the eggs in batches of five at a time before checking the IVs. Since three IVs will always be random, the best you can do is have three good ones to pass down, and you want those three in the most important places for the Pokémon you're breeding. Don't worry that the other three are bad, since you should be producing so many offspring that it won't really matter. Of course, that was before I learnt how to RNG... Now I can get flawless Machops every time, but I know that some people regard it as very unfair and refuse to use it. __________________ Platinum FC: 4340-2125-1106 Heart Gold FC: 4769-9875-9410 CAP ASB Team

May 3rd, 2012, 12:24:59 AM	#3
P Duck Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2 Equestria	Interesting. I guess it would make sense to try to breed for specific IVs, since you have some degree of control over the outcome than just waiting for the good ones to appear randomly. __________________ Allow Image BB Code No Cool beans.

May 3rd, 2012, 9:45:02 AM	#5
hamlunches Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 134 Pallet Town	I don't think you can really ever calculate an exact chance of getting a spread unless you're using RNG to control the IVs, as I believe that three IVs are determined by the parent IVs and could be any of Ma/Ma/Ma, Fe/Fe/Fe, Ma/Ma/Fe, Ma/Fe/Ma, Ma/Fe/Fe etc, and the other 3 IVs are randomly generated. But to a good approximation I'd say 20% is around the right number __________________ White FC: 5114 3687 1297 PM me for battles, any tier. I will use legal hacks. My connection fails every so often, but not much, I will never disconnect due to rage. My trade thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...04#post3645604

May 3rd, 2012, 8:46:48 AM	#4
KimTheHuman Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 42	I have also been breeding the old fashioned way :D (I haven't bothered to learn to RNG because very few people in my area know what RNG/IV is let alone still play Pokemon) As for breeding, I follow Showsni's method. I'm actually breeding a magikarp right now but I have a question too :) Father: Adamant Haxorus; 31/31/x/x/x/31; Holding Power Item for Attack Mother: Adamant Magikarp 31/x/x/x/x/31 ; Holding Everstone After a week of breeding, I've only come across 3~5 magikarps with 31 Ivs in wanted stats albeit crappy natures. To appease my curiosity, would someone care to rectify my maths :D 1/2 chance to get Adamant as nature 1 probability to get 31 Iv in Atk 4/10 chance to get 31 Iv in Spd and HP Does that mean I'd have a 20% chance of getting an Adamant Magikarp with 31/31/x/x/x/31 Iv spread~?