Counter That Uber Pokémon! - Teambuilder [Team 1 Voting!] - Page 2

Blim · May 2nd, 2012, 7:59:48 PM

I'll vote for -Manaphy--'s Palkia . It's not easily counterable without using stuff like arceus grass / chansey / spd. dialga, all of which are usually seen on stallish teams anyway. Although it looks like zekrom will win, am not sure how effective it'll be since team 2 could just slap on a bulky arceus ground / bulldoze ferro or even a gimmick like dugtrio to give it big trouble.

Poppy · May 2nd, 2012, 11:01:19 PM

Point well noted... Palkia's supreme coverage and speed may make it the better candidate as its type coverage is superb. However, Palkia can be similarly taken advantage of by things like Wobbuffet, Lugia (no thunder), Sp.Def Groudon (soft check), and as you rightly said Grass Arceus (rain), Chansey, and Dialga; if the opposing team chooses Wobbuffet that Palkia is going to die if it stays on the field to kill something unless you predict marvellously well or crit with Outrage (surf in rain 2hkos, so there's that!).

Admittedly, Zekrom is easier to fiddle around with Bulldoze Ferrothorn and Ground Arceus being massive thorns in its side but, like Chansey, Arceus Grass, and Dialga are more common staples of a team and can run standard sets. Ground Arceus is a rarity because it's weak to pretty much every special attack, Bulldoze Ferrothorn will lack Power Whip or Gyro Ball and can be taken advantage of by things like Shaymin-S in the absence of the latter, and Sub CM Kyogre in the absence of the former.

Another interesting option as a Zekrom counter is Curse Ferrothorn but I'm just going somewhat off tangent now...

man i really wanna use curse ferro

barry4ever · May 3rd, 2012, 4:02:13 AM

Furai's Darkrai - Darkrai is one of those Pokemon which tbh doesnt even have any counters and every check can be bypassed with proper team support and smart play. Also the classic NP Darkrai needs some love, so yeah there goes my vote.

**Furai** · May 3rd, 2012, 2:42:40 PM

So, Poppy's Zekrom is the first Pokemon on Team 1!

All I can say is: fuck. This Zekrom hits like a truck, at +1 it strips down 77.7% maximum of Wallceus's HP with Bolt Strike, just to give an example. The closest we could get to countering this beast, would be Ground Arceus:

Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Recover
- Judgment
- Ice Beam

EVs are optimised to outrun Zekrom and it can easily OHKO it with an un-boosted Judgment after Stealth Rock. This Ground Arceus takes 66.44% - 78.37% from a +1 Outrage, and it can Recover back the damage. Ice Beam can be used to hit Shaymin-S switchins, Rayquaza, and Salamence. Calm Mind also makes this Arceus a beast, boosting its Special Attack and Defense to high levels. once it has packed a few boosts under its belt, it can easily sweep!

Poppy · May 4th, 2012, 12:35:05 AM

Nothing else takes on Zekrom as well to be honest.

Looking forward to drowning Ground-Arceus with Kyogre or Water Arceus.

shrang · May 4th, 2012, 7:25:43 AM

That Zekrom seems to die really easily, just saying. Anyway, just so we don't have to use an Arceus form, we can use HIPPOWDON!!

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Nature: Impish
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Roar

Yeah, you're still taking 65%ish from +1 Outrage (provided it gets to +1), but you can easily switch into Sub, and then just EQ for easy pickings. Since Zekrom is holding Life Orb, Sand + LO + Sub + (SR) = Dead Zekrom in a couple of turns, easily. Using Hippowdon means using a Sand team, I guess, but if you don't want to run Sand, you can always use Sand Force, I guess.

Tomahawk9 · May 4th, 2012, 11:24:46 AM

Yes, I wanted to nominate Hippowdon as well. Though, please remove the slashes as mentioned earlier. Anyways, my nomination:

...

Groudon @ Leftovers
Trait: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Earthquake
- Dragon Tail

Standard support Groudon loses to that Zekrom and for good reason: lack of recovery. Groudon can get worn down quite easily, which leaves it in Outrage range quite easily. This set though has recovery in RestTalk which, while rather unreliable, is a good way of dealing with it and provides recovery. It can then take on Zekrom as both moves it can select will break Zekrom's Substitute. Earthquake will also KO Zekrom after one Substitute, or after one round of Stealth Rock and Life Orb damage. I've chosen Dragon Tail in the last slot to provide a phazing move, and it works similarly to RestTalk Gyarados in OU as it provides good coverage with its powerful STAB. Roar could work here for phazing through Zekrom's Substitute, but imo it's not worth the power and being walled by any Ground immunes, as Dragon Tail always breaks Zekrom's sub so it can't Sub up on Dragon Tail.

**Furai** · May 4th, 2012, 12:44:01 PM

Okay, enough sets have been submitted!

Here are our candidates;

Again, you are allowed to vote only to one set, and may not vote for yourself.

My vote goes to shrang's Hippowdon. Hippowdon is really underrated, and I truly cannot believe I overlooked it like that. It's also really solid with Slack Off, and sandstorm will wear Zekrom extremely fast with Life Orb recoil.

TrollFreak · May 4th, 2012, 1:01:16 PM

Voting for Hippo for all the reasons FURAI stated

AlexanderTheGreat · May 4th, 2012, 5:44:14 PM

Furai's Calm Mind Ground Arceus

ssbbm · May 4th, 2012, 6:37:35 PM

cm ground arceus

i don't wanna have to be stuck with a bs stally team

bluemon · May 4th, 2012, 7:05:41 PM

restalk groudon

Poppy · May 4th, 2012, 11:32:09 PM

hone claws on the switch means that + 1 outrage 2hkos groudon and hippowdon, ferrothorn is also 2hko'd.

furai's ground arceus

Fiction. · May 5th, 2012, 5:05:36 AM

furai's ground arceus.

ebvil · May 5th, 2012, 6:20:35 AM

Hippowdon

Euler · May 5th, 2012, 7:06:33 AM

ground arceus, because the other ones don't counter Zekrom completely

TerrickTerran · May 5th, 2012, 10:39:13 AM

Shrang's Hippowdon

Adam Lambert · May 5th, 2012, 12:59:47 PM

I really like Furai's Groundceus. Idk what else a Hippowdon could do in Ubers besides counter Zekrom, other than die.

Faint · May 5th, 2012, 1:32:04 PM

Arceus-Ground.

barry4ever · May 5th, 2012, 2:05:26 PM

Hippowdon

I really dislike CM Ground Arceus as there are other Arceus formes which are arguably better at acting as a CM sweeper as well as performing other auxillary functions. If I'm going to use Ground Arceus, I'm only ever going to use the SD set which can actually do a lot of damage and is immediately threatening. Not to mention that picking Arceus as a the first mon isnt really a very wise idea as it leaves us unable to patch up any weaknesses at the end.

spuds4ever · May 5th, 2012, 3:28:14 PM

Hippowdon

-Manaphy-- · May 5th, 2012, 4:37:57 PM

Hippowdon
Save Arceus for later.

theBEEZ KNEEZ · May 5th, 2012, 10:32:45 PM

Hippowdon

no point wasting an arceus form, and hippos is such a BEAST

Garganator · May 6th, 2012, 5:51:09 AM

Hippowdon

Really cool and underrated pick. And I always like to add some 'unique' touch to Pokemon teams, so Hippowdon fits in perfectly in my opinion. And in this case he adds perfect utility so... why not. And it would be nice to not use Arceus yet, he may be usefull for something else. My vote goes for him ;).

**Furai** · May 6th, 2012, 6:14:36 AM

Okay then, Hippowdon is our next teammate! I like this actually, though it might require cautious play as it cannot switch into a +1 Outrage. Plus double Dragon will be extremely annoying. Therefore, I recommend Excadrill:
This nomination is for TEAM 2, just pointing that out.

Excadrill @ Life Orb
Trait: Sand Rush
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Rapid Spin

Arugably the best Sand abuser in the game (Garchomp can count into here too but meh!). Providing Rapid Spin support is just a must in Ubers and it can also give us an insurance against Salamence, Dialga, and Zekrom by revenge killing them. Rayquaza remains an annoyance but whatever. Why Jolly? Because it's pretty cool to beat opposing Excadrill and smack them with Earthquake before they get to Rapid Spin stuff away. It also allows Excadrill to outspeed +2 216 Speed Groudon, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, and Darkrai, making Excadrill almost unbeatable by Choice Scarf users. Fine Adamant nature it is

May 2nd, 2012, 11:01:19 PM	#27
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,419 brisbane	Point well noted... Palkia's supreme coverage and speed may make it the better candidate as its type coverage is superb. However, Palkia can be similarly taken advantage of by things like Wobbuffet, Lugia (no thunder), Sp.Def Groudon (soft check), and as you rightly said Grass Arceus (rain), Chansey, and Dialga; if the opposing team chooses Wobbuffet that Palkia is going to die if it stays on the field to kill something unless you predict marvellously well or crit with Outrage (surf in rain 2hkos, so there's that!). Admittedly, Zekrom is easier to fiddle around with Bulldoze Ferrothorn and Ground Arceus being massive thorns in its side but, like Chansey, Arceus Grass, and Dialga are more common staples of a team and can run standard sets. Ground Arceus is a rarity because it's weak to pretty much every special attack, Bulldoze Ferrothorn will lack Power Whip or Gyro Ball and can be taken advantage of by things like Shaymin-S in the absence of the latter, and Sub CM Kyogre in the absence of the former. Another interesting option as a Zekrom counter is Curse Ferrothorn but I'm just going somewhat off tangent now... man i really wanna use curse ferro __________________ erotically erudite

May 3rd, 2012, 2:42:40 PM	#29
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,076	Furai's 2 Attacks Darkrai: 3 Euler's Dragon Dance Rayquaza: 1 Poppy's Fast Sub + Hone Claws Zekrom: 5 Hugendugen's Cro-Ogre: 2 ssbbm's Psycho Killer Mewtwo: 1 -Manaphy--'s Lustrous Orb Palkia: 1 So, Poppy's Zekrom is the first Pokemon on Team 1! All I can say is: fuck. This Zekrom hits like a truck, at +1 it strips down 77.7% maximum of Wallceus's HP with Bolt Strike, just to give an example. The closest we could get to countering this beast, would be Ground Arceus: Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate Trait: Multitype EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Calm Mind - Recover - Judgment - Ice Beam EVs are optimised to outrun Zekrom and it can easily OHKO it with an un-boosted Judgment after Stealth Rock. This Ground Arceus takes 66.44% - 78.37% from a +1 Outrage, and it can Recover back the damage. Ice Beam can be used to hit Shaymin-S switchins, Rayquaza, and Salamence. Calm Mind also makes this Arceus a beast, boosting its Special Attack and Defense to high levels. once it has packed a few boosts under its belt, it can easily sweep! __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

May 4th, 2012, 12:35:05 AM	#30
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,419 brisbane	Nothing else takes on Zekrom as well to be honest. Looking forward to drowning Ground-Arceus with Kyogre or Water Arceus. __________________ erotically erudite

May 4th, 2012, 11:24:46 AM	#32
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Yes, I wanted to nominate Hippowdon as well. Though, please remove the slashes as mentioned earlier. Anyways, my nomination: ... Groudon @ Leftovers Trait: Drought EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def Impish Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Rest - Sleep Talk - Earthquake - Dragon Tail Standard support Groudon loses to that Zekrom and for good reason: lack of recovery. Groudon can get worn down quite easily, which leaves it in Outrage range quite easily. This set though has recovery in RestTalk which, while rather unreliable, is a good way of dealing with it and provides recovery. It can then take on Zekrom as both moves it can select will break Zekrom's Substitute. Earthquake will also KO Zekrom after one Substitute, or after one round of Stealth Rock and Life Orb damage. I've chosen Dragon Tail in the last slot to provide a phazing move, and it works similarly to RestTalk Gyarados in OU as it provides good coverage with its powerful STAB. Roar could work here for phazing through Zekrom's Substitute, but imo it's not worth the power and being walled by any Ground immunes, as Dragon Tail always breaks Zekrom's sub so it can't Sub up on Dragon Tail. __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work Last edited by Tomahawk9; May 4th, 2012 at 2:07:36 PM.

May 4th, 2012, 12:44:01 PM	#33
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,076	Okay, enough sets have been submitted! Here are our candidates; Furai's Calm Mind Ground Arceus shrang's Physical Wall Hippowdon Tomahawk9's RestTalk Groudon Again, you are allowed to vote only to one set, and may not vote for yourself. My vote goes to shrang's Hippowdon. Hippowdon is really underrated, and I truly cannot believe I overlooked it like that. It's also really solid with Slack Off, and sandstorm will wear Zekrom extremely fast with Life Orb recoil. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

May 2nd, 2012, 7:59:48 PM	#26
Blim Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 320	I'll vote for -Manaphy--'s Palkia . It's not easily counterable without using stuff like arceus grass / chansey / spd. dialga, all of which are usually seen on stallish teams anyway. Although it looks like zekrom will win, am not sure how effective it'll be since team 2 could just slap on a bulky arceus ground / bulldoze ferro or even a gimmick like dugtrio to give it big trouble.

May 4th, 2012, 1:01:16 PM	#34
TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,245 New York born, New York proud	Voting for Hippo for all the reasons *FURAI* stated __________________ Work Ever wanted to contribute to Smogon? Visit the Contributions and Corrections forum! ~SNOVERS~

May 4th, 2012, 5:44:14 PM	#35
AlexanderTheGreat Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6	Furai's Calm Mind Ground Arceus

May 4th, 2012, 6:37:35 PM	#36
ssbbm Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 998 Where you can play Pokemon with Singing Narwhals and Dancing Clouds	cm ground arceus i don't wanna have to be stuck with a bs stally team

May 4th, 2012, 7:05:41 PM	#37
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	restalk groudon __________________ AmoongBro User (22:54:20) *** Your rank in Dream World OU is 15/16972 [1442 points / 244 battles]!

May 4th, 2012, 11:32:09 PM	#38
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,419 brisbane	hone claws on the switch means that + 1 outrage 2hkos groudon and hippowdon, ferrothorn is also 2hko'd. furai's ground arceus __________________ erotically erudite

May 5th, 2012, 5:05:36 AM	#39
Fiction. There's no stronger message than dirt in your face Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 303 Poitiers, France	furai's ground arceus. __________________

May 5th, 2012, 6:20:35 AM	#40
ebvil Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 24	Hippowdon

May 5th, 2012, 7:06:33 AM	#41
Euler Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 74 Germany	ground arceus, because the other ones don't counter Zekrom completely __________________ gg = virtual handshake

May 5th, 2012, 10:39:13 AM	#42
TerrickTerran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 370	Shrang's Hippowdon __________________ FC 0087 1987 4650

May 5th, 2012, 12:59:47 PM	#43
Adam Lambert Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 283 Glam Nation (http://www.adamofficial.com)	I really like Furai's Groundceus. Idk what else a Hippowdon could do in Ubers besides counter Zekrom, other than die. __________________ @♥jrrrrrrr♥: just for the record, i love big penis @MikeDecIsHere: b) I like...naive kiddies

May 5th, 2012, 1:32:04 PM	#44
Faint Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 919 Boston, MA	Arceus-Ground.

May 5th, 2012, 3:28:14 PM	#46
spuds4ever Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 660 UK	Hippowdon __________________ A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. ~C.S. Lewis

May 5th, 2012, 4:37:57 PM	#47
-Manaphy-- Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 337 New York	Hippowdon Save Arceus for later. __________________ <Scofield> I never got a chance to tell you about the time i met a girl named shucca <@JabbaTheGriffin> i would have started making ground move puns, and then when she doesn't get them you go "oh that wasn't as effective as i thought it'd be"

May 5th, 2012, 10:32:45 PM	#48
theBEEZ KNEEZ Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 52	Hippowdon no point wasting an arceus form, and hippos is such a BEAST

May 6th, 2012, 5:51:09 AM	#49
Garganator Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 540 Koszalin, Poland	Hippowdon Really cool and underrated pick. And I always like to add some 'unique' touch to Pokemon teams, so Hippowdon fits in perfectly in my opinion. And in this case he adds perfect utility so... why not. And it would be nice to not use Arceus yet, he may be usefull for something else. My vote goes for him ;). __________________ "Fight Till The End" Garganator vs Krusk (UU Warstory)

May 6th, 2012, 6:14:36 AM	#50
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,076	Furai's Calm Mind Ground Arceus: 7 shrang's Physical Wall Hippowdon: 9 Tomahawk9's RestTalk Groudon: 1 Okay then, Hippowdon is our next teammate! I like this actually, though it might require cautious play as it cannot switch into a +1 Outrage. Plus double Dragon will be extremely annoying. Therefore, I recommend Excadrill: This nomination is for TEAM 2, just pointing that out. Excadrill @ Life Orb Trait: Sand Rush EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Swords Dance - Earthquake - Rock Slide - Rapid Spin Arugably the best Sand abuser in the game (Garchomp can count into here too but meh!). Providing Rapid Spin support is just a must in Ubers and it can also give us an insurance against Salamence, Dialga, and Zekrom by revenge killing them. Rayquaza remains an annoyance but whatever. Why Jolly? Because it's pretty cool to beat opposing Excadrill and smack them with Earthquake before they get to Rapid Spin stuff away. It also allows Excadrill to outspeed +2 216 Speed Groudon, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, and Darkrai, making Excadrill almost unbeatable by Choice Scarf users. Fine Adamant nature it is __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT) Last edited by Furai; May 6th, 2012 at 6:50:43 AM.