Counter That Uber Pokémon! - Teambuilder [Team 1 Voting!] - Page 3

Tomahawk9 · May 6th, 2012, 6:33:33 AM

Garchomp @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake

Garchomp is boss and unlike Excadrill it can also sweep outside of sand. However, in sand, it can sweep pretty much any team. With Sand Veil you can continously Sub on something like Ferrothorn until it misses, Swords Dance and Earthquake to KO and sweep. Outside of sand it becomes a simple Swords Dance sweeper with near-perfect STAB coverage, and Sub to prevent it from being revenge killed.

**Furai** · May 8th, 2012, 5:51:24 AM

Two Pokemon have been submitted, which are:

Again, post your vote in bold. You may not vote for yourself, happy voting!~

I vote for Tomahawk9's Garchomp. Garchomp is cool and I have no other votes!

Tomahawk9 · May 8th, 2012, 5:52:21 AM

Furai's Excadrill

Better than all other suggestions I could vote for no doubt.

Poppy · May 8th, 2012, 6:41:56 AM

sand is going to have excadrill regardless so yeah. use the obvious picks early so you reveal the team variables at the latest point.

-Manaphy-- · May 8th, 2012, 3:32:49 PM

Garchomp
Let's make this a little more interesting than Excadrill shall we?

Anikrahman1995 · May 9th, 2012, 2:30:32 AM

Excadrill

DFrog · May 9th, 2012, 2:45:13 AM

Garchomp

barry4ever · May 9th, 2012, 3:16:19 AM

Excadrill

Fiction. · May 9th, 2012, 5:36:49 AM

excadrill

TrollFreak · May 9th, 2012, 9:38:21 AM

Furai's Excadrill

**Furai** · May 9th, 2012, 10:42:54 AM

Furai's Excadrill: 6
Tomahawk9's Garchomp: 3

Excadrill is team 2's next member!

Team 1, you are free to nominate sets! You have two days to do so. I will think of something and submit it tomorrow.

Tomahawk9 · May 9th, 2012, 11:22:49 AM

Thundurus @ Life Orb
Trait: Prankster
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Nasty Plot
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Focus Blast

How about some Double Electric action? Team 2 has two Ground-types and both don't enjoy switching in on Hidden Power Ice or Focus Blast and adding another Ground-types is gonna cause some synergy issues for Team 2 so Thundurus is free to spam its powerful STAB Thunders. Zekrom and Thundurus can also work in conjuction by wearing down Electric resists and open up for one of them to sweep. The best way for Team 2 to handle Thundurus now is add Scarfers to revenge kill it (though Team 1 has to add a weather starter for Excadrill), and those are easy to switchin and we can easily add a counter for that, or better: something the Scarfer they've chosen on can't revenge so they'll have to add another Scarfer and have two weak Choice-locked mons.

Poppy · May 9th, 2012, 11:27:54 AM

Hello!

I'd like to attempt to persuade my eager, budding, and undoubtedly intelligent Ubers players to really exert their logic circuits and their common sense mains. When playing this game take a moment to concern not only which Pokemon go where, but also the pick order.

Of course, I am convinced that the more cunning of you have recognized the value of picking later as opposed to earlier. Picking Pokemon that influence team style is generally a bad idea, weather summoners, Pokemon with hard counters, niche counters, I advise against picking all of these earlier. The reason being that you want to bait the opposing team into making the least good pick possible; showing your big guns at the start encourages counter picks to your strongest and most integral Pokemon, something you definitely do not want.

In the case of Hippowdon being an early pick, standard sand has trouble with a few Pokemon, and has an easy time with a lot of others. I could very well be a wily wormwood and shut my mouth until team 1's last pick and smack on a Fighting or Water Arceus, which sand teams are typically weak to. There are more options: I could use Jolly Balloon Excadrill, Choice Specs Kyogre, etc. Furthermore, now team 1 will never use Ho-Oh, a Pokemon sand teams typically have little trouble with.

The inflexibility and transparency of revealing full sets in addition to the Pokemon make this a different ballgame for the less astute. Pick discreetly, with the intention to bait, befoul, bludgeon, barf upon, and generally bring waste to the opposition.

Poppy · May 9th, 2012, 11:38:28 AM

Rayquaza @ Life Orb
Trait: Air Lock
EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd
Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Outrage
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Dance

Rayquaza is notoriously difficult to handle. This set truly exemplifies that fact, the only reliable switch in into this is defensive Heatran, but using that on a sand team against what is probably going to be rain is suicidal. Steel Arceus is probably your next best switch in, but takes a toasty offering from Fire Blast and restricts Arceus typing. Not to mention Kyogre beats Steel Arceus on most occasions.

Draco Meteor OHKOs Hippowdon, 2HKOs courageous Gastrodon, and pretty much slices a rather large chunk out of most Pokemon. Fire Blast actually packs a surprising amount of power, still OHKOing Specially Defensive Skarmory at -2. Outrage prevents Blissey and Chansey from walling this set and in conjunction with Dragon Dance can threaten a sweep if such an opportune moment presents itself.

This also forces a Choice Scarf user upon team 2, because Excadrill cannot revenge kill Rayquaza.

fu poopy

Splendiferous · May 10th, 2012, 2:39:42 AM

tl:dr version of poppy's post: Team 2 is fucked as they've revealed their team strat right from the start.

If you don't want to be outpicked you must try keep your options as wide as possible from the start. zekrom+ray+whatever will pretty much rape t2 by themselves as the ray pick forces a scarf chomp/palk which gives t1 a slot for a bulky set-upper like groudon/arceus.

**Furai** · May 13th, 2012, 9:41:20 AM

Nominating is closed, it's been more than 4 days now (sorry about that, I've been super busy).

My vote goes to Poppy's Mixed Rayquaza. That double dragon strategy is really harsh, and Rayquaza deals with Excadrill much better than Thundurus, who literally can't do nothing.

theBEEZ KNEEZ · May 13th, 2012, 11:44:57 AM

Defintily Poppy's Mixed Rayquaza

dragonboy52 · May 13th, 2012, 12:06:53 PM

Mixed Rayquaza

Splendiferous · May 13th, 2012, 2:45:16 PM

mix quaza obviously. Team 2 have already lost.

Anikrahman1995 · May 13th, 2012, 3:21:02 PM

mix quaza.

mostwanted · May 14th, 2012, 4:06:14 PM

Mixed Rayquaza

Rayquaza is definitely worth the vote as Thundurus does nothing outside of rain and double dragon strategy would be appreciated.

Fiction. · May 14th, 2012, 4:07:38 PM

poppy's mixed rayquaza

Tomahawk9 · May 14th, 2012, 4:14:06 PM

mixed rayquaza

hey i only nominated something so we could actually vote stop insulting me >:(

-Manaphy-- · May 14th, 2012, 8:36:53 PM

Rayquaza
Does this vote even matter?

**Furai** · May 17th, 2012, 11:01:53 AM

Sorry I didn't update this for a while, I have been super busy with (semi)finals and such.

It has been voted unanimously for Poppy's Rayquaza!

Nomination for team 1's third member is now up and going, I will post later my suggestion. That double Dragon thing is REALLY mean, team 2 is going to have a harsh time!

May 6th, 2012, 6:33:33 AM	#51
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Garchomp @ Leftovers Trait: Sand Veil EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Substitute - Swords Dance - Outrage - Earthquake Garchomp is boss and unlike Excadrill it can also sweep outside of sand. However, in sand, it can sweep pretty much any team. With Sand Veil you can continously Sub on something like Ferrothorn until it misses, Swords Dance and Earthquake to KO and sweep. Outside of sand it becomes a simple Swords Dance sweeper with near-perfect STAB coverage, and Sub to prevent it from being revenge killed. Last edited by Tomahawk9; May 6th, 2012 at 7:22:22 AM.

May 8th, 2012, 5:51:24 AM	#52
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,091	Two Pokemon have been submitted, which are: Furai's Excadrill Tomahawk9's Garchomp Again, post your vote in bold. You may not vote for yourself, happy voting!~ I vote for Tomahawk9's Garchomp. Garchomp is cool and I have no other votes! __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

May 8th, 2012, 5:52:21 AM	#53
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Furai's Excadrill Better than all other suggestions I could vote for no doubt. __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work

May 8th, 2012, 6:41:56 AM	#54
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 brisbane	sand is going to have excadrill regardless so yeah. use the obvious picks early so you reveal the team variables at the latest point. __________________ erotically erudite

May 8th, 2012, 3:32:49 PM	#55
-Manaphy-- Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 337 New York	Garchomp Let's make this a little more interesting than Excadrill shall we? __________________ <Scofield> I never got a chance to tell you about the time i met a girl named shucca <@JabbaTheGriffin> i would have started making ground move puns, and then when she doesn't get them you go "oh that wasn't as effective as i thought it'd be"

May 9th, 2012, 2:30:32 AM	#56
Anikrahman1995 Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 352 In my bedroom	Excadrill

May 9th, 2012, 2:45:13 AM	#57
DFrog Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,168 What am I licking?	Garchomp __________________ Swapped to Dvorak ~ I will master it! Cool Stuff below: CAP ASB Referee Profile

May 9th, 2012, 5:36:49 AM	#59
Fiction. the king Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 304 Limousin, France	excadrill __________________

May 9th, 2012, 9:38:21 AM	#60
TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,247 New York born, New York proud	Furai's Excadrill __________________ Work Ever wanted to contribute to Smogon? Visit the Contributions and Corrections forum! ~SNOVERS~

May 9th, 2012, 10:42:54 AM	#61
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,091	Furai's Excadrill: 6 Tomahawk9's Garchomp: 3 Excadrill is team 2's next member! Team 1, you are free to nominate sets! You have two days to do so. I will think of something and submit it tomorrow. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

May 9th, 2012, 11:22:49 AM	#62
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Thundurus @ Life Orb Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Nasty Plot - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power Ice - Focus Blast How about some Double Electric action? Team 2 has two Ground-types and both don't enjoy switching in on Hidden Power Ice or Focus Blast and adding another Ground-types is gonna cause some synergy issues for Team 2 so Thundurus is free to spam its powerful STAB Thunders. Zekrom and Thundurus can also work in conjuction by wearing down Electric resists and open up for one of them to sweep. The best way for Team 2 to handle Thundurus now is add Scarfers to revenge kill it (though Team 1 has to add a weather starter for Excadrill), and those are easy to switchin and we can easily add a counter for that, or better: something the Scarfer they've chosen on can't revenge so they'll have to add another Scarfer and have two weak Choice-locked mons. __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work Last edited by Tomahawk9; May 9th, 2012 at 11:47:10 AM.

May 9th, 2012, 11:27:54 AM	#63
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 brisbane	Hello! I'd like to attempt to persuade my eager, budding, and undoubtedly intelligent Ubers players to really exert their logic circuits and their common sense mains. When playing this game take a moment to concern not only which Pokemon go where, but also the pick order. Of course, I am convinced that the more cunning of you have recognized the value of picking later as opposed to earlier. Picking Pokemon that influence team style is generally a bad idea, weather summoners, Pokemon with hard counters, niche counters, I advise against picking all of these earlier. The reason being that you want to bait the opposing team into making the least good pick possible; showing your big guns at the start encourages counter picks to your strongest and most integral Pokemon, something you definitely do not want. In the case of Hippowdon being an early pick, standard sand has trouble with a few Pokemon, and has an easy time with a lot of others. I could very well be a wily wormwood and shut my mouth until team 1's last pick and smack on a Fighting or Water Arceus, which sand teams are typically weak to. There are more options: I could use Jolly Balloon Excadrill, Choice Specs Kyogre, etc. Furthermore, now team 1 will never use Ho-Oh, a Pokemon sand teams typically have little trouble with. The inflexibility and transparency of revealing full sets in addition to the Pokemon make this a different ballgame for the less astute. Pick discreetly, with the intention to bait, befoul, bludgeon, barf upon, and generally bring waste to the opposition. __________________ erotically erudite Last edited by Poppy; May 9th, 2012 at 11:59:56 AM.

May 9th, 2012, 11:38:28 AM	#64
Poppy SYMPTOMATIC OF A GREATER ILL Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,422 brisbane	Rayquaza @ Life Orb Trait: Air Lock EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SAtk / 216 Spd Mild Nature (+SAtk, -Def) - Draco Meteor - Outrage - Fire Blast - Dragon Dance Rayquaza is notoriously difficult to handle. This set truly exemplifies that fact, the only reliable switch in into this is defensive Heatran, but using that on a sand team against what is probably going to be rain is suicidal. Steel Arceus is probably your next best switch in, but takes a toasty offering from Fire Blast and restricts Arceus typing. Not to mention Kyogre beats Steel Arceus on most occasions. Draco Meteor OHKOs Hippowdon, 2HKOs courageous Gastrodon, and pretty much slices a rather large chunk out of most Pokemon. Fire Blast actually packs a surprising amount of power, still OHKOing Specially Defensive Skarmory at -2. Outrage prevents Blissey and Chansey from walling this set and in conjunction with Dragon Dance can threaten a sweep if such an opportune moment presents itself. This also forces a Choice Scarf user upon team 2, because Excadrill cannot revenge kill Rayquaza. fu poopy __________________ erotically erudite Last edited by Furai; May 10th, 2012 at 4:05:01 AM.

May 10th, 2012, 2:39:42 AM	#65
Splendiferous Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 94	tl:dr version of poppy's post: Team 2 is fucked as they've revealed their team strat right from the start. If you don't want to be outpicked you must try keep your options as wide as possible from the start. zekrom+ray+whatever will pretty much rape t2 by themselves as the ray pick forces a scarf chomp/palk which gives t1 a slot for a bulky set-upper like groudon/arceus.

May 13th, 2012, 9:41:20 AM	#66
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,091	Nominating is closed, it's been more than 4 days now (sorry about that, I've been super busy). Tomahawk9's Nasty Plot Thundurus Poppy's Mixed Rayquaza My vote goes to Poppy's Mixed Rayquaza. That double dragon strategy is really harsh, and Rayquaza deals with Excadrill much better than Thundurus, who literally can't do nothing. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

May 13th, 2012, 11:44:57 AM	#67
theBEEZ KNEEZ Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 52	Defintily Poppy's Mixed Rayquaza

May 13th, 2012, 12:06:53 PM	#68
dragonboy52 Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,964	Mixed Rayquaza

May 13th, 2012, 2:45:16 PM	#69
Splendiferous Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 94	mix quaza obviously. Team 2 have already lost.

May 13th, 2012, 3:21:02 PM	#70
Anikrahman1995 Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 352 In my bedroom	mix quaza.

May 14th, 2012, 4:06:14 PM	#71
mostwanted Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 938	Mixed Rayquaza Rayquaza is definitely worth the vote as Thundurus does nothing outside of rain and double dragon strategy would be appreciated.

May 14th, 2012, 4:07:38 PM	#72
Fiction. the king Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 304 Limousin, France	poppy's mixed rayquaza __________________

May 14th, 2012, 4:14:06 PM	#73
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	mixed rayquaza hey i only nominated something so we could actually vote stop insulting me >:( __________________ C&C Work \| Smog Work

May 14th, 2012, 8:36:53 PM	#74
-Manaphy-- Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 337 New York	Rayquaza Does this vote even matter? __________________ <Scofield> I never got a chance to tell you about the time i met a girl named shucca <@JabbaTheGriffin> i would have started making ground move puns, and then when she doesn't get them you go "oh that wasn't as effective as i thought it'd be"

May 17th, 2012, 11:01:53 AM	#75
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,091	Sorry I didn't update this for a while, I have been super busy with (semi)finals and such. It has been voted unanimously for Poppy's Rayquaza! Nomination for team 1's third member is now up and going, I will post later my suggestion. That double Dragon thing is REALLY mean, team 2 is going to have a harsh time! __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)