VGC '12 Japanese Championships - Page 3

flash_mc · May 4th, 2012, 10:54:30 AM

Is it known how many spots they are giving for the national championship?

dtrain · May 4th, 2012, 12:19:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat flash_mc

Is it known how many spots they are giving for the national championship?

It hasn't been announced yet.

Human · May 4th, 2012, 3:23:04 PM

Their regionals have a sort of preregistration sign up procedure at first, this seems like a way to bypass that normal procedure to be able to participate without having to worry about getting lucky like that. Or this is just their qualifications for nationals.

Huy · May 4th, 2012, 4:08:20 PM

It is their qualification for Nationals.

flash_mc · May 16th, 2012, 7:29:20 AM

They have released the results of the 2012 Japan Spring Cup. I don't know how many people qualify for the Japan Nationals though.

Btw, I've placed a modest 1018 th with 1614 points in very few battles, I didn't want to screw anybody, just watching some japanese stuff.

kamz · May 31st, 2012, 9:51:34 AM

Can't wait to see the tournament results :)

Bangisan · May 31st, 2012, 4:16:13 PM

So then the finals are the 10th of June, aren't they?

TTS · Jun 9th, 2012, 11:05:54 PM

Yamamoto Shota won the Japanese Seniors National Championships.

Cybertron · Jun 9th, 2012, 11:12:33 PM

Trained with the kid. Knew he was gonna win. Too good.

Drifblim · Jun 9th, 2012, 11:24:49 PM

Any videos of the tournament? Be cool to see their metagame in comparison to ours, and I have watched a good deal of the VGC 2012 vids already on Youtube

Cybertron · Jun 9th, 2012, 11:27:05 PM

Slow down cowboy, Nationals is still going on for them and Shota just won an hour ago. It'll probably be up soon.

**R Inanimate** · Jun 9th, 2012, 11:31:01 PM

Did the Japanese Nationals have 2 or 3 age divisions?

Cybertron · Jun 9th, 2012, 11:32:56 PM

3. TTS told me they only have 2 invites per division, which is really surprising. To put things in perspective, Korea has 2 divisions with 1 invite per division supposedly.

Deku La Situacion · Jun 10th, 2012, 5:19:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwL2bwFk-Y Final Master Division of Japan. Enjoy that, both teams are amazing o_O

Kaphotics · Jun 10th, 2012, 5:24:12 AM

masters finals match spoilers:

bharmalm · Jun 10th, 2012, 7:51:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Deku La Situacion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwL2bwFk-Y Final Master Division of Japan. Enjoy that, both teams are amazing o_O

Is it just me, or is the player whose perspective theta we're seeing isn't exactly playing good, for example, he used earthquake when both of the opponents pokémon naturally are immune to it (t1 Rotom-W and Hydreigon) i'm not sure if they're playing on some kind of astronomicly high prediction level, but that is slightly weird or utterly crazy (or did the timer chose his moves as he had not chosen his attacks in time), Regardless, the winner played well and he probably deserved it.

GreySong · Jun 10th, 2012, 9:01:21 AM

Did anybody see that the match had 20 minutes on the clock instead of the usual 15? WOOO Extra 5 minutes!! lol

Human · Jun 10th, 2012, 9:15:38 AM

Was their nationals best of three or single elimination?

My thoughts on the battle

My Battle Analysis

Analysis of the battle:
• First turn choice scarf Salamence targets Hydreigon assuming no Haban or Focus Sash, in case of Metagross in the back also uses Earthquake with Focus Sash Garchomp. Having Haban Berry he knows he survives a dragon attack and that it is more likely that the other guy will not double target he goes for Draco Meteor on Garchomp, which is bulkier than Salamence, and Choice Specs Thunderbolt on Salamence which will get a 2HKO normally.

• Thinking that he can KO Hydreigon with Rock Slide now he goes for that, Draco Meteor Rotom-W because you are trying to have Hydreigon KOd that turn anyways and paralyzed Choice Scarf Salamence with such low HP isn't going to be doing much anyways. Protect with Hydreigon because Garchomp will obviously target and -2 Choice Scarf Salamence is very weak and will target Rotom-W, Rotom-W is Choice Specs and being stuck in Thunderbolt will not help because of Garchomp, so switch out into something: Conkeldurr.

FIRST MISTAKE THAT MAKES NEARLY NO SENSE COMES IN TURN THREE

• Keep Salamence into get sacked for a free switch in, it is not going to do anything again, and potential for Hydreigon to switch out now again after using Protect is high coupled with the off chance that Conkeldurr carries Wide Guard so uses Dragon Claw to KO Hydreigon and hope that Conkeldurr is min-speed so Choice Scarf Salamence can still outspeed. Uses Drain Punch on Salamence maybe predicting a switch and to sack Hydreigon for your own free switch? This was the first mistake, best move would have been to Mach Punch Garchomp and try KOing Salamence with a move other than Draco Meteor, but tries to maybe double target Salamence with Drain Punch + unknown move because Garchomp KOd Hydreigon.

• Thinks Conkeldurr doesn't have Mach Punch so tries to do damage to Rotom-W, Flying Gem Acrobatics targets Conkeldurr for the KO. Choice Specs Hydro Pump should KO Scizor (avoid) and Mach Punch now to KO Garchomp.

• Scizor + Tyranitar vs Rotom-W and Thundurus. Choice Specs Hydro Pump hits and gets the 50/50 odds of KOing Tyranitar and Thundurus tries 2HKO on Scizor. Scizor Protects trying not to be KOd, then loses because it can't touch Thundurus or Choice Specs Rotom-W.

There were other mistakes, but those are misplays caused by prediction, you can't really judge them as much on mispredicting if it make sense. Although the person who got 2nd did moves that weren't that good, it makes sense when you realize what he is basing his moves off of. Right now I'm just trying to explain what I think they were predicting and basing their predictions on.

Brandon13569 · Jun 10th, 2012, 10:32:53 AM

I found another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aCF4fpQwtE

I think its Juniors? No clue though ._.

Infinity.Cypher · Jun 10th, 2012, 10:47:01 AM

I think this is the Japanese Senior Finals?
" Pokemon WCS2012 Japan representative decision meeting senior finals game 1"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNiC7FbkAEA&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFDnp9JnybM&feature=plcp

Bangisan · Jun 10th, 2012, 10:57:28 AM

One question. Today there were the Korean championships too. Anyone has any info or video?

**Eiganjo** · Jun 10th, 2012, 11:18:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Brandon13569

I found another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aCF4fpQwtE

I think its Juniors? No clue though ._.

yes its junior finals

but damn that senior match was tense, much much better then the masters one

DreamTalon · Jun 10th, 2012, 12:22:29 PM

At the match with the misplays, I laughed at the start. It seemed like it was genuinely fun for them to hop around. They took like, 20 seconds to shake each others hands. Overall, it was a decent battle. Maybe they were trying to predict switches, but they made some questionable plays.

Drifblim · Jun 10th, 2012, 12:55:24 PM

I really hate to complain about other people's playstyles, but I have to question how those two made it into Masters finals. There were barely any good predictions, two double weaknesses to Ice on one team(I suppose with good counters to it though), then odd items. A bit surprised their teams didn't look too different from our own, but meh.

LPFan · Jun 10th, 2012, 1:35:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TTS

Yamamoto Shota won the Japanese Seniors National Championships.

Nice. I hope to see him and Santa at worlds if I make it in.

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May 16th, 2012, 7:29:20 AM	#55
flash_mc Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 175 Spain. ESPAÑA :3	They have released the results of the 2012 Japan Spring Cup. I don't know how many people qualify for the Japan Nationals though. Btw, I've placed a modest 1018 th with 1614 points in very few battles, I didn't want to screw anybody, just watching some japanese stuff. __________________ HAX >>>>>> Skill, Knowledge, Effort, Time, Money, Sacrifices & RNG Last edited by flash_mc; May 16th, 2012 at 7:41:58 AM.

May 31st, 2012, 9:51:34 AM	#56
kamz Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 212 unrealitys house with bacon	Can't wait to see the tournament results :) __________________ *RUBEN ES FUERTE*

May 31st, 2012, 4:16:13 PM	#57
Bangisan Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 220	So then the finals are the 10th of June, aren't they? __________________ 2011 Madrid VGC Participant

May 4th, 2012, 3:23:04 PM	#53
Human Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,112 New Jersey	Their regionals have a sort of preregistration sign up procedure at first, this seems like a way to bypass that normal procedure to be able to participate without having to worry about getting lucky like that. Or this is just their qualifications for nationals.

Jun 9th, 2012, 11:05:54 PM	#58
TTS Articulate Potty Lid Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 409 College Park, MD	Yamamoto Shota won the Japanese Seniors National Championships. __________________ Winner of the New Jersey VGC 2010 Seniors tournament Top 16 at 2010 VGC US Nationals Top 16 at 2011 DC Regional Masters Division Second Place at 2011 VGC Nationals Masters Division 22nd at VGC 2011 World Championships Masters Division

Jun 9th, 2012, 11:12:33 PM	#59
Cybertron Stay classy. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,922	Trained with the kid. Knew he was gonna win. Too good.

Jun 9th, 2012, 11:24:49 PM	#60
Drifblim Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 549 Brooklyn	Any videos of the tournament? Be cool to see their metagame in comparison to ours, and I have watched a good deal of the VGC 2012 vids already on Youtube

Jun 9th, 2012, 11:27:05 PM	#61
Cybertron Stay classy. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,922	Slow down cowboy, Nationals is still going on for them and Shota just won an hour ago. It'll probably be up soon.

Jun 9th, 2012, 11:31:01 PM	#62
R Inanimate Serenely Graciously Flinching Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 681 Vancover, Ability Region	Did the Japanese Nationals have 2 or 3 age divisions? __________________ Just another rainy day on the train... VGCS Jaunary International, 165W-30L-27D/C, 1873, 13th Place VGC 2013 Winter Regional, Salem OR, 1st Place

Jun 9th, 2012, 11:32:56 PM	#63
Cybertron Stay classy. Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,922	3. TTS told me they only have 2 invites per division, which is really surprising. To put things in perspective, Korea has 2 divisions with 1 invite per division supposedly.

Jun 10th, 2012, 5:19:30 AM	#64
Deku La Situacion Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 162 Mi Barrio, Barcelona	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwL2bwFk-Y Final Master Division of Japan. Enjoy that, both teams are amazing o_O __________________ Top 3 VGC 2010 Madrid Top 8 VGC 2011 Roma Top 16 VGC 2012 Milano

Jun 10th, 2012, 5:24:12 AM	#65
Kaphotics Remodeling Kitchens Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 758 Berkeley, CA	masters finals match spoilers: ~~Hydreigon~~ Rotom-W ~~Conkeldurr~~ Thundurus WIN vs. ~~Garchomp~~ ~~Salamence~~ ~~Scizor~~ ~~Tyranitar~~ LOSS (video POV)

Jun 10th, 2012, 9:01:21 AM	#67
GreySong Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 375 Illinois	Did anybody see that the match had 20 minutes on the clock instead of the usual 15? WOOO Extra 5 minutes!! lol __________________ Officially moved to NuggetBridge.

Jun 10th, 2012, 9:15:38 AM	#68
Human Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,112 New Jersey	Was their nationals best of three or single elimination? My thoughts on the battle After watching the video I am a bit disappointed, the guy who got 2nd seemed to use a fairly bad team to begin with. Neither one played that well, but I guess that's acceptable because they already got the trip. But they still made some massive mistakes that if someone I knew well did that I would call them out. My Battle Analysis Analysis of the battle: • First turn choice scarf Salamence targets Hydreigon assuming no Haban or Focus Sash, in case of Metagross in the back also uses Earthquake with Focus Sash Garchomp. Having Haban Berry he knows he survives a dragon attack and that it is more likely that the other guy will not double target he goes for Draco Meteor on Garchomp, which is bulkier than Salamence, and Choice Specs Thunderbolt on Salamence which will get a 2HKO normally. • Thinking that he can KO Hydreigon with Rock Slide now he goes for that, Draco Meteor Rotom-W because you are trying to have Hydreigon KOd that turn anyways and paralyzed Choice Scarf Salamence with such low HP isn't going to be doing much anyways. Protect with Hydreigon because Garchomp will obviously target and -2 Choice Scarf Salamence is very weak and will target Rotom-W, Rotom-W is Choice Specs and being stuck in Thunderbolt will not help because of Garchomp, so switch out into something: Conkeldurr. FIRST MISTAKE THAT MAKES NEARLY NO SENSE COMES IN TURN THREE • Keep Salamence into get sacked for a free switch in, it is not going to do anything again, and potential for Hydreigon to switch out now again after using Protect is high coupled with the off chance that Conkeldurr carries Wide Guard so uses Dragon Claw to KO Hydreigon and hope that Conkeldurr is min-speed so Choice Scarf Salamence can still outspeed. Uses Drain Punch on Salamence maybe predicting a switch and to sack Hydreigon for your own free switch? This was the first mistake, best move would have been to Mach Punch Garchomp and try KOing Salamence with a move other than Draco Meteor, but tries to maybe double target Salamence with Drain Punch + unknown move because Garchomp KOd Hydreigon. • Thinks Conkeldurr doesn't have Mach Punch so tries to do damage to Rotom-W, Flying Gem Acrobatics targets Conkeldurr for the KO. Choice Specs Hydro Pump should KO Scizor (avoid) and Mach Punch now to KO Garchomp. • Scizor + Tyranitar vs Rotom-W and Thundurus. Choice Specs Hydro Pump hits and gets the 50/50 odds of KOing Tyranitar and Thundurus tries 2HKO on Scizor. Scizor Protects trying not to be KOd, then loses because it can't touch Thundurus or Choice Specs Rotom-W. There were other mistakes, but those are misplays caused by prediction, you can't really judge them as much on mispredicting if it make sense. Although the person who got 2nd did moves that weren't that good, it makes sense when you realize what he is basing his moves off of. Right now I'm just trying to explain what I think they were predicting and basing their predictions on. __________________ <3csmugs Last edited by Human; Jun 10th, 2012 at 10:30:32 AM.

Jun 10th, 2012, 10:32:53 AM	#69
Brandon13569 Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 80 Memphis, TN	I found another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aCF4fpQwtE I think its Juniors? No clue though ._.

Jun 10th, 2012, 10:47:01 AM	#70
Infinity.Cypher Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 303 Can you face your fears?	I think this is the Japanese Senior Finals? " Pokemon WCS2012 Japan representative decision meeting senior finals game 1" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNiC7FbkAEA&feature=plcp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFDnp9JnybM&feature=plcp __________________ ~VGC~ ~2011: Seniors~ ~2012: Masters~ ~My Youtube~

Jun 10th, 2012, 10:57:28 AM	#71
Bangisan Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 220	One question. Today there were the Korean championships too. Anyone has any info or video? __________________ 2011 Madrid VGC Participant

Jun 10th, 2012, 12:22:29 PM	#73
DreamTalon Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 186 Dallas, Texas	At the match with the misplays, I laughed at the start. It seemed like it was genuinely fun for them to hop around. They took like, 20 seconds to shake each others hands. Overall, it was a decent battle. Maybe they were trying to predict switches, but they made some questionable plays. __________________ "We must treasure these (Unown), since they are us at our very core... ALSO, DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN MAKE WORDS OUT OF THEM? THAT'S PRETTY COOL!!!!!!!!"

Jun 10th, 2012, 12:55:24 PM	#74
Drifblim Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 549 Brooklyn	I really hate to complain about other people's playstyles, but I have to question how those two made it into Masters finals. There were barely any good predictions, two double weaknesses to Ice on one team(I suppose with good counters to it though), then odd items. A bit surprised their teams didn't look too different from our own, but meh.