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rocky505 · Jun 21st, 2012, 9:59:33 PM

Dang 170?! People were close. I saw a good majority say 165. Heck even their other attacking stat is good enough for mixed sets. Now we need keldeo and the kami's bst.

alexwolf · Jun 21st, 2012, 9:59:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Saitsuofleaves

Idk...I still don't know all the calcs by memory.

How would Skarmory do?

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Adamant Band Black Kyurem does 42.51 - 50.29% with Ice Punch to physically defensive Skarmory, which is an OHKO 43% of the time after SR!!! Holy shit....

Purimpopoie · Jun 21st, 2012, 9:59:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat gamer40000

Choice Band Jolly Black Kyurem Outrage vs. Physically Defensive Skarmory: 30.83 - 36.52%

So it's likely a 3HKO on Skarmory unless it rolls close to minimum damage each time, . I guess there's one thing that can tank it and... uh... whirlwind it away? Hit for a SE Steel Wing? I guess it could set up Spikes or Rocks or something. Not wasted, and Skarmory could just roost off the damage. Okay, so there's one thing that isn't afraid of it... unless it predicts the switch to Skarmory and starts charging Freeze Bolt, maybe.

Cheapoman · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:03:04 PM

Ice punch does that much. Luckily it doesn't get Icicle crash. >.>

breh · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:03:21 PM

It's pretty much Skarm/Ferro without <physical Ice move> and Heatran with it.

**R_N** · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

I swear I cannot even understand WHY we have had no word of rematches until now. Are they seriously going to appear only in that World Tournament? Meh

If one wants to be perfectly fair, we didn't really have a clue about the HGSS rematches until we stumbled upon the teams in the data. And even then we still took ages to figure how to activate them.

And also in the interest of fairness, we have not heard of the unova leaders being in the WT. (Cheren is there on the mandatory trip for story purposes, same with your Rival & Achroma)

alexwolf · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat breh

It's pretty much Skarm/Ferro without <physical Ice move> and Heatran with it.

Heatran and Skarmory are easily 2hkoed by Fusion Bolt... And Ferro is 2hkoed by Ice Punch, which he will almost surely get. There is no hope. Insta-uber!

czechm8 · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:06:04 PM

I know he lacks coverage, but granted that sexy attack. Would some sort of Sub/Hone Claws/Bolt Strike/Outrage be viable for Black Keuryem. I mean with those offences it shouldn't be hard to force a switch. After a few home claws he should be able to kill just about everything.
Just an idea, the lack of coverage might make it totally useless.

rocky505 · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:06:34 PM

Anyone think landorus could learn the elemental punches?

Saitsuofleaves · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat alexwolf

Heatran and Skarmory are easily 2hkoed by Fusion Bolt... And Ferro is 2hkoed by Ice Punch, which he will almost surely get. There is no hope. Insta-uber!

Eh eh, Almost Surely, isn't For sure.

I want to be absolutely certain it gets Ice Punch before I start ducking under desks, right now i'm just ducking into windowless rooms.

breh · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat rocky505

Anyone think landorus could learn the elemental punches?

I doubt it. It transforms into an armless tiger.

rocky505 · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat breh

I doubt it. It transforms into an armless tiger.

Kadabra and Mankey evolve into tailess Pokemon but still have iron tail.

Katakiri · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:12:16 PM

CB Black Kyurem next to Haxorus:

252 Atk Choice Band Kyurem Outrage vs 248 HP/0 Def Scizor: 57.43% - 67.64%
252 Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs 248 HP/0 Def Scizor: 51.6% - 60.64%

252 Atk Choice Band Kyurem Outrage vs 252 HP/0 Def Tyranitar: 90.1% - 106.19% (37.5% chance to OHKO)
252 Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs 252 HP/0 Def Tyranitar: 80.94% - 95.3%

252 Atk Choice Band Kyurem Outrage vs 252 HP/4 Def Ferrothorn: 44.32% - 51.99%
252 Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs 252 HP/4 Def Ferrothorn: 39.77% - 46.88%

Dark Ray · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:13:12 PM

And Gastly gets the elemental punches despite being a floating fart, GF doesn't understand the meaning of "logic", Genies could get the punches, or they could not, no way to tell until we see learnsets.

Itchni · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:14:03 PM

New landorus form will be good. if he keeps his flying/ground he could be great as a bulky scarfer

**R_N** · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:14:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat breh

I doubt it. It transforms into an armless tiger.

It still has arms in the normal forme. It's not like tails haven't been lost for things like Iron Tail.

rocky505 · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:15:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Itchni

New landorus form will be good. if he keeps his flying/ground he could be great as a bulky scarfer

They do keep their typings. And tornados will be an ass with roost lol

breh · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:22:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat R_N

It still has arms in the normal forme. It's not like tails haven't been lost for things like Iron Tail.

afaik all mons that learn punches ala wooper or all mons that learn iron tail ala mankey all have evolutions that have arms, tails, etc. I believe this to be just laziness / error; kind of a "let's copy paste tutor sets and forget about flavor".

I may eat my words soon, though.

Missingno. Master · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:29:29 PM

Wow, news has really slowed down, hasn't it? What time is it in Japan?

Dark Arceus · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:29:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

I'm ALMOST sure Kaphotics posted the GBU functions coded in-game and there's something about Nintendo/GF being able to identify who disconnected (in BW!).

Wait, wait, wait, wait. WHAT!?!?!?!?

GAMEFREAK!!!!!! ARCEUS DANG IT!!!!!

/end rant

But really, they knew about it but never applied it only to those that dc instead of doing it to both like usual and wind up hurting people?...I really hate TrollFreak right now. I find that unfair in so many ways (My oppocents repeatedly dc on me when I have near perfect wifi connection and I got banned on 2 different versions from wifi (Good thing my 3rd's my main)? Arceus dang it).

Also in other news. Likeing the Kyurem stats comined with Fusion moves.

False Sense · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:33:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat rocky505

They do keep their typings. And tornados will be an ass with roost lol

Not to mention Tornadus gets U-turn to abuse regenerator. And it's supposed to have good speed too... dang, Tornadus looks really promising.

**R_N** · Jun 21st, 2012, 10:47:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat breh

all mons that learn iron tail ala mankey all have evolutions that have arms, tails, etc.

I may eat my words soon, though.

Tail

No tail

Chasney gets it but loses it upon evolution.
The entire typhlosion line gets it, too despite their "tails" being nothing but fire

Then there's the couple weird ones where they get the move despite having next to no tail.

And it's not like they can't lock the thing down. Only Tyranitar gets Iron Tail, not its evolutions. Breloom gets it, not Shroomish

Meanwhile Skymin gets various flying moves via tutor

Deitylight · Jun 21st, 2012, 11:48:35 PM

"The Nintendo Direct presentation just finished announcing that a World Tournament Wi-Fi Competition will start on June 29th. We don't know how this will work yet, but we'll bring it to you as soon as we know. I also added some game screenshots from the presentation throughout"

Looks like it isn't just restricted to npcs.
Now we can see how a real tourney works in-game.

Cinccino · Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:09:52 AM

God.
I.
Am.
Dying.

Tornadus gets so many new option now. It can run Prankster-Bulk Up-Roost, Regenerator abuse with u-turn, Toxic stall, even the generic Choice set will probly get Heat Wave.

Sapphire Birch · Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:15:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cinccino

God.
I.
Am.
Dying.

Tornadus gets so many new option now. It can run Prankster-Bulk Up-Roost, Regenerator abuse with u-turn, Toxic stall, even the generic Choice set will probly get Heat Wave.

I would not be surprised if tornadus does not get roost as it would lose its typing completely.(it actually becomes a normal type)

Jun 21st, 2012, 9:59:33 PM	#376
rocky505 Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 227	Dang 170?! People were close. I saw a good majority say 165. Heck even their other attacking stat is good enough for mixed sets. Now we need keldeo and the kami's bst. __________________ HG FC:4683 7986 4411

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:03:04 PM	#379
Cheapoman Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 153	Ice punch does that much. Luckily it doesn't get Icicle crash. >.> __________________ - Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is in an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob, and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.- Frederick Douglass, 1817-1895

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:03:21 PM	#380
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,934	It's pretty much Skarm/Ferro without <physical Ice move> and Heatran with it. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:06:04 PM	#383
czechm8 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 237 United States	I know he lacks coverage, but granted that sexy attack. Would some sort of Sub/Hone Claws/Bolt Strike/Outrage be viable for Black Keuryem. I mean with those offences it shouldn't be hard to force a switch. After a few home claws he should be able to kill just about everything. Just an idea, the lack of coverage might make it totally useless. __________________ SS FC: 3439 0156 2549 White FC:1549 5311 6603

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:06:34 PM	#384
rocky505 Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 227	Anyone think landorus could learn the elemental punches? __________________ HG FC:4683 7986 4411

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:12:16 PM	#388
Katakiri Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 756 Smogon Mobile. Ugh.	CB Black Kyurem next to Haxorus: 252 Atk Choice Band Kyurem Outrage vs 248 HP/0 Def Scizor: 57.43% - 67.64% 252 Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs 248 HP/0 Def Scizor: 51.6% - 60.64% 252 Atk Choice Band Kyurem Outrage vs 252 HP/0 Def Tyranitar: 90.1% - 106.19% (37.5% chance to OHKO) 252 Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs 252 HP/0 Def Tyranitar: 80.94% - 95.3% 252 Atk Choice Band Kyurem Outrage vs 252 HP/4 Def Ferrothorn: 44.32% - 51.99% 252 Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs 252 HP/4 Def Ferrothorn: 39.77% - 46.88% __________________ Take chances, make mistakes, get messy!

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:13:12 PM	#389
Dark Ray Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 576	And Gastly gets the elemental punches despite being a floating fart, GF doesn't understand the meaning of "logic", Genies could get the punches, or they could not, no way to tell until we see learnsets. __________________ Colour-coded searchable list of released DW Pokemon. Chained shiny RNG on retail cart.

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:14:03 PM	#390
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	New landorus form will be good. if he keeps his flying/ground he could be great as a bulky scarfer __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Jun 21st, 2012, 10:29:29 PM	#394
Missingno. Master Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 659 ???????	Wow, news has really slowed down, hasn't it? What time is it in Japan? __________________ Disclaimer: The above post may or may not have been made by a sane person.

Jun 21st, 2012, 11:48:35 PM	#398
Deitylight Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 51	"The Nintendo Direct presentation just finished announcing that a World Tournament Wi-Fi Competition will start on June 29th. We don't know how this will work yet, but we'll bring it to you as soon as we know. I also added some game screenshots from the presentation throughout" Looks like it isn't just restricted to npcs. Now we can see how a real tourney works in-game. __________________ VGC 2012 Regional-7th place

Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:09:52 AM	#399
Cinccino Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 247 Here	God. I. Am. Dying. Tornadus gets so many new option now. It can run Prankster-Bulk Up-Roost, Regenerator abuse with u-turn, Toxic stall, even the generic Choice set will probly get Heat Wave. __________________ is now RU.